Bowling is VERY different with Wii Motion Plus

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#1 jfrancis04
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Ok so after hearing the IGN guys talk about Wii Sports Resort, I was under the impression that bowling is exacly the same as it was in Wii Sports. After playing the new game however, I've found that isn't the case at all.

First of all, the game is MUCH more difficult. On the original Wii Sports, I bowled consistently in the 250-275 range. On Wii Sports Resort, I've yet to crack 200.

If you don't believe the game is using Wii Motion Plus then try this... In the orginal Wii Sports, you could move move your target line just to the right of the gutter. You could then throw the ball and deliberately try and spin it INTO the gutter. But it doesn't work. The ball will spin, but it spins back to the left. This tells me that the original was never reading the DIRECTION of the spin...only the DEGREE of spin.

In Wii Sports Resort though, the Motion Plus will detect both direction and degree. Not a huge deal, but an interesting tidbit just the same.

Are you guys finding the Wii Sports Resort Bowling much harder?

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#2 Litchie
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Yes. I suck at Bowling in Resort. I've mastered it in WiiSports.

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#3 danger_ranger95
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makes me wonder if this game will have the selling spree the first one had.

The difficulty will make people shy away, and we all know Nintendo won't let that happen.

Will M+ survive the casual crowd? Tune in next week for our next thrilling episode!

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#4 Wintry_Flutist
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People always talked about how awesome and precise bowling was in Wii Sports, but seriously, I may have tried bowling just for a bit, but I think people were fooled by how simple the motion controls were, a lot didn't rely on them.
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People always talked about how awesome and precise bowling was in Wii Sports, but seriously, I may have tried bowling just for a bit, but I think people were fooled by how simple the motion controls were, a lot didn't rely on them.Wintry_Flutist

It was very simplistic, I agree

The Wiimote was very limited, and people (including me) were expecting great things. Now, it's going to be rough jumping into the Pro's when you just got out of Little League.

I wonder if Golf is the same way?

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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]People always talked about how awesome and precise bowling was in Wii Sports, but seriously, I may have tried bowling just for a bit, but I think people were fooled by how simple the motion controls were, a lot didn't rely on them.danger_ranger95

It was very simplistic, I agree

The Wiimote was very limited, and people (including me) were expecting great things. Now, it's going to be rough jumping into the Pro's when you just got out of Little League.

I wonder if Golf is the same way?

Golf is a bit easier for me in Resort so far. But I don't know, it took me some time to get good at bowling in WiiSports. I've played it just a couple of times in Resort.

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#7 wiifan342
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I've been spinning into the right gutter all day

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#8 danger_ranger95
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How's Canoeing?

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#9 jukitup
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yup I suck at WSR bowling :(. I normally bowl around 230+ on the old bowling... I just bowled a 90 on WSR..

and canoeing is kinda lame.. fun multiplayer though

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#10 JordanElek
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How's Canoeing?

danger_ranger95

That's the only one I've had trouble with. Rowing farther from the canoe makes you turn more, so if you want to go straighter you need to row closer to the canoe. But sometimes it doesn't recognize that you moved the remote to the other side of your body, so it tries to row a left stroke on the right side of the canoe.... I'm sure you can make adjustments so that it doesn't get fooled, but that's really the only time I've had to do anything unnatural to get the controls to work right in any game.

And I don't think bowling is any harder at all. It's easier, in fact, because I can actually bowl straight when I need to. I almost always had at least a little spin in the original no matter what, but I can pretty much do exactly what I want in this one.

Golf makes me kind of sad because Tiger Woods is so much better. Frisbee golf is great though.

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#11 goblaa
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The tilt in wiisports bowling did nothing. All that mattered was the timing of release. The only tilt it was sensing was vertical tilt to tell how far you swung the ball. Seriously, you can play bowling by just tilting the wiimote up and down, no swinging your arm.

Wiisports Resort uses all the tilt to give you a proper spin just like in real bowling. Real bowling is harder than most people think and you have to keep your arm super strait through the whole follow through to get a strait shot. M+ allows this. It's now a much more realistic game.

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#12 JordanElek
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The tilt in wiisports bowling did nothing. All that mattered was the timing of release.goblaa

That can't be true. If it were, we wouldn't have been able to spin left or right on demand by a wrist twist, which was pretty easy to do. And the more you twisted, the more severe the spin was. Timing definitely wasn't the only thing involved there.

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#13 Lisandro_v22
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bowling was the crapest game in wiisports, maybe with motion plus is fun
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#14 danger_ranger95
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There seems to be a lot of people (on the WSR board as well) that are having trouble with bowling.

I can't wait to tear it up and kick some ass at my friends house. Now....... I just need money

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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

makes me wonder if this game will have the selling spree the first one had.

The difficulty will make people shy away, and we all know Nintendo won't let that happen.

Will M+ survive the casual crowd? Tune in next week for our next thrilling episode!

Well most people wont know its tougher until they buy it, and alot of the people who bought Wii Sports didn't buy it because its was an easy game to dominate, they bought it to play with friends, this wont be any different. The big difference is when the Wii first came out, the world wasn't knee deep in a recession, so that alone will cause it to not move as good as the pack in.
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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

makes me wonder if this game will have the selling spree the first one had.

The difficulty will make people shy away, and we all know Nintendo won't let that happen.

Will M+ survive the casual crowd? Tune in next week for our next thrilling episode!

Sepewrath

Well most people wont know its tougher until they buy it, and alot of the people who bought Wii Sports didn't buy it because its was an easy game to dominate, they bought it to play with friends, this wont be any different. The big difference is when the Wii first came out, the world wasn't knee deep in a recession, so that alone will cause it to not move as good as the pack in.

yeah, sales are terrible for anyone right now.

by the way.... has anyone seen any commercials on television for this game yet? I haven't seen 1

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#17 striking_
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yeah, sales are terrible for anyone right now.

by the way.... has anyone seen any commercials on television for this game yet? I haven't seen 1

danger_ranger95

I've seen it its decent, very similer to the wii fit commercial. Surprizingly it only mentions wm+ not really focuses on it. With all that mention in e3 you'd think nintendo would do a little better with the commercial.

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#18 gaming4us
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Golf is a bit easier for me in Resort so far. But I don't know, it took me some time to get good at bowling in WiiSports. I've played it just a couple of times in Resort.

Litchie

:o I'm crap at WSR golf and a hella lot better in the origional WS

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[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

makes me wonder if this game will have the selling spree the first one had.

The difficulty will make people shy away, and we all know Nintendo won't let that happen.

Will M+ survive the casual crowd? Tune in next week for our next thrilling episode!

Sepewrath

Well most people wont know its tougher until they buy it, and alot of the people who bought Wii Sports didn't buy it because its was an easy game to dominate, they bought it to play with friends, this wont be any different. The big difference is when the Wii first came out, the world wasn't knee deep in a recession, so that alone will cause it to not move as good as the pack in.

But see, with the original Wii Sports, if you had four controls, you and all your friends could play all the games. The problem with WSR is that every player will need one, if I'm correct. And at $24.99 a pop, I doubt this one will be selling near as much.

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#20 Sepewrath
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^very true but that just ties back into what I said about people not having a ton of money to spend and I think WM+ cost 20 each. Though that is one reason why Nintendo is doing multiple bundles, its not only about giving as many opportunities for people to get one, but its also a good way to get people to have multiple units. Like lets say you buy Tiger Woods, WSR and RS2, you got 3 right there for 30 bucks.
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#21 goblaa
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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

The tilt in wiisports bowling did nothing. All that mattered was the timing of release.JordanElek

That can't be true. If it were, we wouldn't have been able to spin left or right on demand by a wrist twist, which was pretty easy to do. And the more you twisted, the more severe the spin was. Timing definitely wasn't the only thing involved there.

In truth, you can't add spin with wrist twists. Spin is determined by timing of release. Release too soon and it spins right, too late and it spins left.

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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

makes me wonder if this game will have the selling spree the first one had.

The difficulty will make people shy away, and we all know Nintendo won't let that happen.

Will M+ survive the casual crowd? Tune in next week for our next thrilling episode!

SSBMFighter

Well most people wont know its tougher until they buy it, and alot of the people who bought Wii Sports didn't buy it because its was an easy game to dominate, they bought it to play with friends, this wont be any different. The big difference is when the Wii first came out, the world wasn't knee deep in a recession, so that alone will cause it to not move as good as the pack in.

But see, with the original Wii Sports, if you had four controls, you and all your friends could play all the games. The problem with WSR is that every player will need one, if I'm correct. And at $24.99 a pop, I doubt this one will be selling near as much.

Most of the games are played in turns, so you can pass the controller around. A couple are 0ne on one which would require a second M+, and as far as I know, only the canoing has 4 players playing at the same time.

Also, M+ is $20...it's only $25 at gamestop.

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In truth, you can't add spin with wrist twists. Spin is determined by timing of release. Release too soon and it spins right, too late and it spins left.goblaa
That makes no sense and doesn't work in practice whatsoever. Sorry, but there's no easier way to say it.

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]In truth, you can't add spin with wrist twists. Spin is determined by timing of release. Release too soon and it spins right, too late and it spins left.JordanElek

That makes no sense and doesn't work in practice whatsoever. Sorry, but there's no easier way to say it.

No, your not understanding. That's how it works in wiisports.

In Wiisports resort you spin with wrist twist.

That's the big imporvement.

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I definitely think bowling is harder in resort. I was always in the high 200s as well and I'm not averaging high 100s. I'm actually averaging a little lower than in real life.

I think Wii Sports Resort is great and I have to agree with some of the other posts, the difficult may in fact turn some people away. I still go with what I said a while back, I don't know that Wii Sports Resort will sell as well as it could because of motion plus. It seems like one of the biggest complaints people have about the Wii and why they don't get it is because of the cost of all the accessories and everything you have to play. Adding an additional $20 to that is going to turn a lot of people off and since the game cannot be played without, I think that may hurt it in the long run. I was planning to get Wii Sports Resort today as well as three more motion plus sets, I ended up getting sidetracked with some other games and forgot to purchase them. My brother was visiting and had left for a while and called to see if I got it, I said "yep, I got it, but if you want to play you better pick up a motion plus on the way back :D " I will end up getting them and it doesn't bother me because I see the advantages of it, but even I would rather get another game or two than buy some accessories.

Sorry, I got a little off track :roll:

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[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]In truth, you can't add spin with wrist twists. Spin is determined by timing of release. Release too soon and it spins right, too late and it spins left.goblaa

That makes no sense and doesn't work in practice whatsoever. Sorry, but there's no easier way to say it.

No, your not understanding. That's how it works in wiisports.

In Wiisports resort you spin with wrist twist.

That's the big imporvement.

I understand perfectly. You're saying that in the original Wii Sports, twisting the remote has no effect on the spin of the ball, only the timing of the release does. But in Resort, twisting does affect spin. I'm saying that you're wrong. Wrist twist affects the spin in both games, but it's more accurate in the new one.

And now this conversation has gone about four posts too long....

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"] That makes no sense and doesn't work in practice whatsoever. Sorry, but there's no easier way to say it.

JordanElek

No, your not understanding. That's how it works in wiisports.

In Wiisports resort you spin with wrist twist.

That's the big imporvement.

I understand perfectly. You're saying that in the original Wii Sports, twisting the remote has no effect on the spin of the ball, only the timing of the release does. But in Resort, twisting does affect spin. I'm saying that you're wrong. Wrist twist affects the spin in both games, but it's more accurate in the new one.

And now this conversation has gone about four posts too long....

Well, you can twist all you want in wiisports bowling...it's not going to affect your game.

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Whenever I've played bowling in the original Wii Sports, I've always turned my wrist left/right to add spin to the ball and it works. So I'm going to have to disagree with you Goblaa
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#29 goblaa
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Whenever I've played bowling in the original Wii Sports, I've always turned my wrist left/right to add spin to the ball and it works. So I'm going to have to disagree with you GoblaaHaziqonfire

Trust me dude, it doesn't work. It took me a while to notice, but it's not sensing your left and right tilt.

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Does sword fighting and archery work good? Would they work good with the new zelda you think?

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Whenever I've played bowling in the original Wii Sports, I've always turned my wrist left/right to add spin to the ball and it works. So I'm going to have to disagree with you Goblaagoblaa

Trust me dude, it doesn't work. It took me a while to notice, but it's not sensing your left and right tilt.

Well, your claim is correct the way you're writing it right there.. It doesn't differentiate between left or right spin, it just looks at the amount of spin. But you really can control that amount of spin in the original Wii Sports. I can throw straight by 'cheating' (late time of release), or just by making sure the Wii mote doesn't twist, and I can definitely control the amount of spin as well.

BTW, first of all it's really nice to read that Wii Sports Resort has fixed the spin control 'issue'. Secondly, it's nice to see someone has read my old topic about how the Wii Sports Bowling spin control was broken . :P

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#32 Litchie
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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

Golf is a bit easier for me in Resort so far. But I don't know, it took me some time to get good at bowling in WiiSports. I've played it just a couple of times in Resort.

gaming4us

:o I'm crap at WSR golf and a hella lot better in the origional WS

Hehe ok. This whole "trying to hit the ball softly but somehow manages to hit it with superhero-strength" is gone for me.

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#33 KungfuKitten
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I sucked at everything on wiisports, and i am decent/good at everything on wiisports resort.
Bowling has changed dramatically. I couldn't get any ball to get the spin that i wanted on wiisports, but now i can determine the amount of spin and the direction. It's 10x better and easier.

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It's definitely gonna take some getting used to. There's so many different gameplay varietys that I haven't played yet. *Goes to play Frisbee Golf.*
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#35 Darkmagcite
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Well that's definitely good news for me. :) Thanks for further impressions ... Hmmm; after getting Wii MotionPlus, I wonder if I will really play and look at past Wii titles in the same way since they won't have the same solid experience.
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This sounds positive. More realistic.
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#37 Dycras
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I've been spinning into the right gutter all day

wiifan342

that's probably because you're left handed

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The tilt in wiisports bowling did nothing. All that mattered was the timing of release.goblaa
Actually in WiiSports, the timing of the release gave the 'lift' of the ball. The further down the lane the less time to spin, etc. What controlled spin was the orientation of the top of the remote with the bottom of the remote. Really, try it again with this info. Don't twist the remote, just back and forward and then orient the bottom of the remote left and right to the top of the remote to see the difference. Even chucking the ball halfway down the lane and the spin will be the same... now it it will less time to spin that is sure... but in short twisting the remote did nothing in WiiSports bowling.
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#39 boostud
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I dont know how many of you actually bowl in real life, but on Resort I am hitting exactly what I do in real life. The curve, the horrible 1 pin left standing (happens to me in real life...EVERY FRAME!!!). ITs playing off exactly like real life. The WiiMotion plus is everything I hoped for. Controls are spot on :)

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#40 boardn720
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It's not that the new bowling is any harder it is just way more accurate and much more consistent :) still just as fun IMO. I am curious to see how my friend takes it, as he has bowled many 300 games in the original :lol: