Capcom addresses issues with MH3U (update... wiimote + nc is not going) sorry

As most of you may or may not know, there will be a patch for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate that will, ( as it originally was on 3) allow for players across the region to play alongside each other.

In my opinion, this is huge for a game that is built upon the multiplayer online aspect as the core of the game.

Also, the patch will (as it should have originally been seeing as this was one of the main marketing ploys of the WiiU) allow the complete game to be played entirely on the Gamepad.

This is great and could even lead to 2 player local co-op play if Capcom so decides.

This is a much needed patch and should've been done in the game originally and not through a patch.

Never the less, Capcom has done a great thing here and have addressed many people's issues with the game (Before it released mind you).

Now that they have addressed those issues, there is one issue still pegging me that should be readded to the game.

What's the issue?  You intelligently ask me.

The issue is, the omission of WiiMote and Nunchuck option for the controls.

After playing the demo, I am now semi-used to the gamepad setup but I still die a bunch more than when using the WiiMote and Nunchuck.

This is mainly due to me having to look down to see what I am selecting.

Sometimes it's due to a mistaken button press when trying to perform another action.

Enough about that.

The WiiMote and Nunchuck functioned well in Monster Hunter.  It was neither overly or under implemented.

The Swing to attack could have been removed though I agree, because they offer a much simpler and better option to attack and that is by simply pressing the "A" button.

The controls were as follows:

Move with the Nunchuck Analog.

Block with the "Z" Button.

Scroll through items by holding the "C" button and pressing left or right on the DPad.

Press "1" to use selected item or whilst still holding "C", Press "A".

Sheath/Unsheath the Weapon with "+"

Press "A" to attack.

Modified attacks were:

Tilt Slightly Left and Press "A" to do your upward attack.

Tilt Slightly Right and Press "A" to do your Circular attack.

Tilt Slightly Up and Press "A" to do your Charge/Overhead Attack.

Press "-" for your Special attack.

Press "2" to bring up the options menu.

Dpad scrolled through the options menu.

Open the Hunters Book, and press "1" to bring up the Monster Scanner.

Point at the monster once in range, Press and hold "A" and drag it down into the Monster Book to add monster info.  (This cannot be done anymore since they removed this control method).  It kind of gave the game a pokemon-ish aspect of gathering monster info.

While online, press "2" twice to bring up the chat box

Scroll through the Keyboard with the Dpad and Press "A" when you get to the desired letter or punctuation.

(This can be majorly simplified by having a USB keyboard)

I have talked to a Capcom Representative about this issue and the reason he gave was that "there were additional things added to the game that could not be implemented with the WiiMote, thus the removal of the option".

From playing the demo, I have yet to see one thing that has been added that the WiiMote could not already do.  If you know anything about the additions that were added, please feel free to inform me.

While the option to play the game using the Gamepad and CCP/GPP are nice and there is no problem with me there, the readdition of the WiiMote controls would make this game feel much more at home to the people, like myself, that used the WiiMote and Nunchuck as the primary control setup for Monster Hunter 3/Tri.

So hopefully, Capcom will see that the WiiMote was a good control method for this game and will readd it through a patch in the same way that they are patching Region free and Off Tv play.

UPDATE!!! Capcom has not seen fit to readd the WiiMote and Nunchuck Controls. Sorry about that folks.

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is a Wii game, in every single sense it's a Wii game

There no reason why it shouldn't have Wiimote support

For everyoe who wants to babble on with "Well it's a Wii U game" Nintendo ($#*(#$@ Land uses the Wiimote!

There's no excuse for this

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is a Wii game, in every single sense it's a Wii game

There no reason why it shouldn't have Wiimote support

For everyoe who wants to babble on with "Well it's a Wii U game" Nintendo ($#*(#$@ Land uses the Wiimote!

There's no excuse for this

Jaysonguy

curious, does it work with the wii u pro controller?

As most of you may or may not know, there will be a patch for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate that will, ( as it originally was on 3) allow for players across the region to play alongside each other.nini200

I am glad that they're listening to the fans, but I don't think there's enough people annoyed by the lack of Wii remote + nunchuck support for them to take their time and patch the game. I can see why some fans would be upset, but it really doesn't seem like a serious issue.

curious, does it work with the wii u pro controller?

starwarsjunky

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]

curious, does it work with the wii u pro controller?

OreoMilkshake

Just migrate to the Pro controller. It'll take an hour or two to get used to it.

I have no issue with lack of Wii Motes. I have never played a MH game before. The MH3U Demo was my first time. I just want the camera fixed. As in a fixed camera.

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is a Wii game, in every single sense it's a Wii game

There no reason why it shouldn't have Wiimote support

For everyoe who wants to babble on with "Well it's a Wii U game" Nintendo ($#*(#$@ Land uses the Wiimote!

There's no excuse for this

Jaysonguy

The issue is, the omission of WiiMote and Nunchuck option for the controls.

 

nini200

No game should have crappy gimmicky controls. The reason why I bought a Wii U is that it DID NOT HAVE MOTION CONTROLS! The GamePad is so sweet since it functions as a normal video game controller with dual analogs. In fact, there should be a patch for every and all Wii games that you can play them with a normal controller instead of crappy motion gimmicks.

i hope they add them for people that played tri on wii a lot..

i never played it though so my adoption of the gamepad will be much easier...

im glad about the worldwide online.... now i can find people even at midnight!

Yes the whole game can be played on the gamepad!

Sheesh just use the Pro controller if you want the oldschool feel that bad.

Personally I would take a second analog anyday over having to constantly push the 'center camera' button. I like the remotes, I just hate how fast they go through batteries. At least with the Pro controller or the Pad, you can leave it plugged in as you play.

That's why MH3 came with the CCP :P It was meant to be played with it.

I've played with the Wii Remote/Nunchuck on the demo and it was aweful, the game's not playable with that control scheme in my opinion. I don't understand how anyone could get any enjoyment out of playing the game like that. It's like playing SSBB with the Wii Remote, it just doesn't work.

When MH3U comes out, my wife and I will be using the CCP until we can afford to get a WiiU Pro Controller, unless the game comes with one as a bundle like MH3 did.

I have no issue with lack of Wii Motes. I have never played a MH game before. The MH3U Demo was my first time. I just want the camera fixed. As in a fixed camera.

Master_Of_Fools

[QUOTE="nini200"]

The issue is, the omission of WiiMote and Nunchuck option for the controls.

 

soundcellx

No game should have crappy gimmicky controls. The reason why I bought a Wii U is that it DID NOT HAVE MOTION CONTROLS! The GamePad is so sweet since it functions as a normal video game controller with dual analogs. In fact, there should be a patch for every and all Wii games that you can play them with a normal controller instead of crappy motion gimmicks.

Sheesh just use the Pro controller if you want the oldschool feel that bad.

Personally I would take a second analog anyday over having to constantly push the 'center camera' button. I like the remotes, I just hate how fast they go through batteries. At least with the Pro controller or the Pad, you can leave it plugged in as you play.

svaubel

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

[QUOTE="nini200"]

The issue is, the omission of WiiMote and Nunchuck option for the controls.

 

enrique_marrodz

No game should have crappy gimmicky controls. The reason why I bought a Wii U is that it DID NOT HAVE MOTION CONTROLS! The GamePad is so sweet since it functions as a normal video game controller with dual analogs. In fact, there should be a patch for every and all Wii games that you can play them with a normal controller instead of crappy motion gimmicks.

Actually, millions of people share my opinion. 

Not sure how you could possibly love a gimmicky piece of crap that does not work correctly, the Wiimote is inaccurate and unresponsive. Normal controllers actually work and do what they are supposed to do. I love Nintendo since they make the best games and own many Wii games, that I love but force myself to play the controls, even though the motion controls often do not work correctly. 

Even without some of the worst controls of all time, Zelda Skyward Sword still had major problems such as recycled areas, linearity, small areas and no exploration, watered down, casual, etc. etc. Zelda is in my top 5 favorite series of all time, and Zelda SS and Majora's Mask are the worst Zeldas ever made. 

[QUOTE="enrique_marrodz"][QUOTE="soundcellx"]

No game should have crappy gimmicky controls. The reason why I bought a Wii U is that it DID NOT HAVE MOTION CONTROLS! The GamePad is so sweet since it functions as a normal video game controller with dual analogs. In fact, there should be a patch for every and all Wii games that you can play them with a normal controller instead of crappy motion gimmicks.

soundcellx

Actually, millions of people share my opinion. 

Not sure how you could possibly love a gimmicky piece of crap that does not work correctly, the Wiimote is inaccurate and unresponsive. Normal controllers actually work and do what they are supposed to do. I love Nintendo since they make the best games and own many Wii games, that I love but force myself to play the controls, even though the motion controls often do not work correctly. 

Even without some of the worst controls of all time, Zelda Skyward Sword still had major problems such as recycled areas, linearity, small areas and no exploration, watered down, casual, etc. etc. Zelda is in my top 5 favorite series of all time, and Zelda SS and Majora's Mask are the worst Zeldas ever made. 

What's wrong with having the option of using a control method that I, and many others, actually like?  You and many others are just downplaying the option (that will not affect you in any way mind you) of having a control method that was already done (and very well in my opinion) in Monster Hunter 3.

[QUOTE="svaubel"]

Sheesh just use the Pro controller if you want the oldschool feel that bad.

Personally I would take a second analog anyday over having to constantly push the 'center camera' button. I like the remotes, I just hate how fast they go through batteries. At least with the Pro controller or the Pad, you can leave it plugged in as you play.

enrique_marrodz

Heck, even without being tethered to the system, the WiiMote lasts a whole lot longer than the 3 hour Gamepad :lol: You basically have to be plugged in to even use the gamepad with the terrible battery Nintendo put in that thing.

people actually played with the wiimore/nunchuck? That's even worse than having to use the claw on the old psp gamesShinobishyguy

uh...I wouldn't say it's as bad as the PSP.

people actually played with the wiimore/nunchuck? That's even worse than having to use the claw on the old psp gamesShinobishyguy

I played MHTri with the Wii Remote & Nunchuck for a little bit, it was awful. The Classic Controller Pro was much better. While playing the Wii U demo of MH3U, the gamepad played much better than the Wii Remote & Nunchuck could ever hope, and the fact you can clear up the main screen of unwanted things such as items and the map was really nice, though I'm expecting the Wii U Pro Controller will end up been the best controller for the game.spike6958

"Gimmick gimmick gimmick" lol is that all you can really say as your opinion of the controls?  Do you even know what a gimmick is?  I would love to hear your full definition on what a gimmick is WITHOUT using a dictionary.nini200

no.

Definition of GIMMICK

[QUOTE="nini200"]"Gimmick gimmick gimmick" lol is that all you can really say as your opinion of the controls?  Do you even know what a gimmick is?  I would love to hear your full definition on what a gimmick is WITHOUT using a dictionary.soundcellx

no.

Definition of GIMMICK

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]

[QUOTE="nini200"]"Gimmick gimmick gimmick" lol is that all you can really say as your opinion of the controls?  Do you even know what a gimmick is?  I would love to hear your full definition on what a gimmick is WITHOUT using a dictionary.nini200

no.

Definition of GIMMICK

1a : a mechanical device for secretly and dishonestly controlling gambling apparatus b : an ingenious or novel mechanical device : gadget2a : an important feature that is not immediately apparent :catch b : an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle c : a trick or device used to attract business or attention gimmick>

How is a normal controller used to attract business or attention? Everyone expects a normal video game controller to play video games.  

How is a normal controller a trick?

How is a normal controller used to attract business or attention? Everyone expects a normal video game controller to play video games.  

soundcellx

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]How is a normal controller a trick?

How is a normal controller used to attract business or attention? Everyone expects a normal video game controller to play video games.  

ANIMEguy10034

Not just new ways to play, but the best way to play, with the best and most solid controls. Dual analog controllers are the norm now. No gimmick. Also, the Wii U gamepad, I do not consider it a gimmick since it's actually a solid controller with normal controls and a handy second screen in the middle that is actually useful and good, unlike motion controls.

Motion controls are a gimmick because they have not been around in the mainstream before and people thought they were really neat, but the motion control fad wore off pretty quickly when people realized how inaccurate and unresponsive motion controls are and that they are garbage.

You think that motion controls are gimmicks now just like how people thought analog sticks where gimmicks back then. It takes time for us to get used to them and then the next new thing becomes a "gimmick".

The fad isn't over yet; the three main consoles still support motion controls, as well as the 3DS and PS Vita. The blame for inaccurate and unresponsive motion controls goes to the developer of the game. Developers are finally realizing that it's only an option, that forcing motion controls is a bad idea and it works best for specific types of games. No one would want motion controls on a highly competitive fighting game, but most people would agree that motion controls feel great for 1:1 swordplay and sports.

Also, there's no such thing as normal controls. Video game controllers are always evolving. If you weren't informed, the Wii U gamepad and the PS4 controller both use gyroscopes and accelerometers for motion controls.

You think that motion controls are gimmicks now just like how people thought analog sticks where gimmicks back then. It takes time for us to get used to them and then the next new thing becomes a "gimmick".ANIMEguy10034

dual analogs were never gimmicks because they improved controls. One usually controls a camera and the other movement. Nothing gimmicky about that or improved controls in games. 

The fad isn't over yet; the three main consoles still support motion controls, as well as the 3DS and PS Vita. The blame for inaccurate and unresponsive motion controls goes to the developer of the game. Developers are finally realizing that it's only an option, that forcing motion controls is a bad idea and it works best for specific types of games. No one would want motion controls on a highly competitive fighting game, but most people would agree that motion controls feel great for 1:1 swordplay and sports.

Also, there's no such thing as normal controls. Video game controllers are always evolving. If you weren't informed, the Wii U gamepad and the PS4 controller both use gyroscopes and accelerometers for motion controls.

ANIMEguy10034

Sorry but I do not consider not flailing your arms around like a moron (with the Wii U, PS3 DS3, 3DS, PS4, etc.), like with the Wii. With the Wii you were forced to flail your arms around like a moron. I do not consider shaking a controller on the same level as motion controls as the gimmick Wiimote garbage.

Analogs WERE considered as gimmicks when they were first introduced. Motion controls also improved the controls for some games. Not all games since, like I said before, motion controls work best for specific types of games (sports, swordplay, FPS, party/dance games, etc). As a comparison, analogs did not improve the controls for 2D fighting games; many people prefer using the D-Pad and/or the arcade joystick.

Since when were motion controls exclusive to the wagglefest in many Wii games? Unnecessary waggle is garbage, everyone knows that, but not all motion control games use waggle or make you flail your arms.

*tries to go back to topic*

Although Tri's motion controls were not the best, they did not force you to flail your arms like a maniac and some players actually prefer motion controls over the Pro controller or gamepad.

Analogs WERE considered as gimmicks when they were first introduced. Motion controls also improved the controls for some games. Not all games since, like I said before, motion controls work best for specific types of games (sports, swordplay, FPS, party/dance games, etc). As a comparison, analogs did not improve the controls for 2D fighting games; many people prefer using the D-Pad and/or the arcade joystick.

Since when were motion controls exclusive to the wagglefest in many Wii games? Unnecessary waggle is garbage, everyone knows that, but not all motion control games use waggle or make you flail your arms.

*tries to go back to topic*

Although Tri's motion controls were not the best, they did not force you to flail your arms like a maniac and some players actually prefer motion controls over the Pro controller or gamepad.

ANIMEguy10034

But according to the definition you provided, analogs were gimmicks. When Nintendo introduced the analog stick with the N64, it was not only used to improve movement in games, but also attracted customers into buying this new device.

Also, the definition you provided does not say anything about gimmicks being unable to improve upon something.

Finally, you seem to give the word a negative connotation, when in reality, there's nothing wrong with gimmicks.

[QUOTE="Master_Of_Fools"]I have no issue with lack of Wii Motes. I have never played a MH game before. The MH3U Demo was my first time. I just want the camera fixed. As in a fixed camera.enrique_marrodz

[QUOTE="ANIMEguy10034"]

[QUOTE="soundcellx"]How is a normal controller a trick?

How is a normal controller used to attract business or attention? Everyone expects a normal video game controller to play video games.  

soundcellx

Not just new ways to play, but the best way to play, with the best and most solid controls. Dual analog controllers are the norm now. No gimmick. Also, the Wii U gamepad, I do not consider it a gimmick since it's actually a solid controller with normal controls and a handy second screen in the middle that is actually useful and good, unlike motion controls.

Motion controls are a gimmick because they have not been around in the mainstream before and people thought they were really neat, but the motion control fad wore off pretty quickly when people realized how inaccurate and unresponsive motion controls are and that they are garbage.

You think that motion controls are gimmicks now just like how people thought analog sticks where gimmicks back then. It takes time for us to get used to them and then the next new thing becomes a "gimmick".

The fad isn't over yet; the three main consoles still support motion controls, as well as the 3DS and PS Vita. The blame for inaccurate and unresponsive motion controls goes to the developer of the game. Developers are finally realizing that it's only an option, that forcing motion controls is a bad idea and it works best for specific types of games. No one would want motion controls on a highly competitive fighting game, but most people would agree that motion controls feel great for 1:1 swordplay and sports.

Also, there's no such thing as normal controls. Video game controllers are always evolving. If you weren't informed, the Wii U gamepad and the PS4 controller both use gyroscopes and accelerometers for motion controls.

ANIMEguy10034

But according to the definition you provided, analogs were gimmicks. When Nintendo introduced the analog stick with the N64, it was not only used to improve movement in games, but also attracted customers into buying this new device.

Also, the definition you provided does not say anything about gimmicks being unable to improve upon something.

Finally, you seem to give the word a negative connotation, when in reality, there's nothing wrong with gimmicks.

ANIMEguy10034

He's only here to start arguments.

Also he's a casual so he doesn't exactly know what you're talking about.

Go tell him about Wii Sports and he'll be mesmerized lol

[QUOTE="ANIMEguy10034"]

Analogs WERE considered as gimmicks when they were first introduced. Motion controls also improved the controls for some games. Not all games since, like I said before, motion controls work best for specific types of games (sports, swordplay, FPS, party/dance games, etc). As a comparison, analogs did not improve the controls for 2D fighting games; many people prefer using the D-Pad and/or the arcade joystick.

Since when were motion controls exclusive to the wagglefest in many Wii games? Unnecessary waggle is garbage, everyone knows that, but not all motion control games use waggle or make you flail your arms.

*tries to go back to topic*

Although Tri's motion controls were not the best, they did not force you to flail your arms like a maniac and some players actually prefer motion controls over the Pro controller or gamepad.

soundcellx

But then when the ps1 dual analog controller came out, people were looking at 2 analogs as if it was absolutely unplayable and just 1 analog was the norm such as the n64 controller or the sega dreamcast controller or the sega saturn analog controller that came with nights.

All with ONE analog.  Dual Analogs was in fact, a gimmick when it came out yet people like yourself got used to them and now you don't "CONSIDER", as you stated, them to be gimmicks even though, in fact, they were.

Why would anyone want to play Monster Hunter with a WiiMote and Nunchuk? :|

Why would anyone want to play Monster Hunter with a WiiMote and Nunchuk? :|

Michael0134567

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Why would anyone want to play Monster Hunter with a WiiMote and Nunchuk? :|

nini200

[QUOTE="nini200"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Why would anyone want to play Monster Hunter with a WiiMote and Nunchuk? :|

Michael0134567