Conduit 2 has potenial, can HVS capitalize?

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The graphical tech was definitely there, but not the graphical art. We'll need to see more of Conduit 2 to see if the art direction has improved. However I wasn't too concerned with the art direction, but rather gameplay and story. The controls were solid to begin with, and motion plus will add another level to it. Boss battles, the use of turrets, and melee weapons should help to improve gameplay.

HVS admitted that they spent to much time trying to 'hide' the story presentation, to cater to gamers who don't care much for story or cinematics. Howvever, it is very true. There are waaaaay more gamers out there who just want to play the game than follow a story--that's why game with online multiplayer are in high demand--especially FPS. I mean I see my friends or younger relatives press the skip button before letting a scene finish. I'm not saying that every gamer is like that (I certainly like a good story presentation), but there are alot out there who don't care for story and HVS thought they were doing us a favor by making the story secondary...if not optional. However, HVS, said they will improve the presentation of the story in Conduit 2 and realized their mistake on that front. Nonetheless, I really can't fault them for that, since I see first hand how alot of gamers react to story.

action1234

I don't mind a story in a game as long as it doesn't interfere with gameplay. As long as the cut scenes aren't excessive in length or number, and are skipable on at least the second playthrough, I'm fine with them. The cut scenes are one reason I didn't make it very far in Batallion Wars 2 (they were so long, corny, and unskipable).

I'm already concerned with the rail shooter levels in Conduit 2, but I'll wait and see before I condemn them for adding that.

There's rail shooter levels?? :? Where did you hear that?

There are alot of popular free roaming shooters that have an 'on-rail' level or two. Resident Evil 4 and 5 had on-rail sections that were very interactive and fun--providing a brief break from the usual action. As for Conduit 2, I'm not aware of any on-rail levels, then again there's alot more we need to find out about this game.

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I don't mind a story in a game as long as it doesn't interfere with gameplay. As long as the cut scenes aren't excessive in length or number, and are skipable on at least the second playthrough, I'm fine with them. The cut scenes are one reason I didn't make it very far in Batallion Wars 2 (they were so long, corny, and unskipable).

I'm already concerned with the rail shooter levels in Conduit 2, but I'll wait and see before I condemn them for adding that.

Tri-Enforcer

There's rail shooter levels?? :? Where did you hear that?

There are alot of popular free roaming shooters that have an 'on-rail' level or two. Resident Evil 4 and 5 had on-rail sections that were very interactive and fun--providing a brief break from the usual action. As for Conduit 2, I'm not aware of any on-rail levels, then again there's alot more we need to find out about this game.

MWR had a few rail shooter sections as well.

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[QUOTE="action1234"]Co-op, it's not unheard of. Halo did it fine. Animatronic64

No thanks. I'd rather have solid gameplay that encourages me to play the levels over and over agains instead of having to sit through some boring game story over and over again whenever I want to co-op.

The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

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No thanks. I'd rather have solid gameplay that encourages me to play the levels over and over agains instead of having to sit through some boring game story over and over again whenever I want to co-op.

psychobrew

The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

Who says you have to? Unless it's some long RPG (not saying every RPG is like that), cutscenes are usually skippable--even the first time around--in most games.

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No thanks. I'd rather have solid gameplay that encourages me to play the levels over and over agains instead of having to sit through some boring game story over and over again whenever I want to co-op.

psychobrew

The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] What does that have to do with co-op? That's some flawed logic there. You can have both, but I doubt Conduit 2 will have any of that. :lol:

Tri-Enforcer

The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

Who says you have to? Unless it's some long RPG, cutscenes are usually skippable--even the first time around--in most games.

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The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

psychobrew

Who says you have to? Unless it's some long RPG, cutscenes are usually skippable--even the first time around--in most games.

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] What does that have to do with co-op? That's some flawed logic there. You can have both, but I doubt Conduit 2 will have any of that. :lol:

Animatronic64

The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

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The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

psychobrew

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Who says you have to? Unless it's some long RPG, cutscenes are usually skippable--even the first time around--in most games.

Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"] In co-op, everyone would have to skip the cut scenes though. I'm not saying a simple story (like you get in Mario games) wouldn't work, but I'd really rather not have something involved. Just let me shoot aliens and find a few artifacts or codes to crack.psychobrew

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]If you don't want to play cooperative, you don't have to. Why should it get excluded from the game because you don't find it favorable? You're just one guy.

Animatronic64

L4D is not known for its story. I'd even go as far as saying the story in L4D is irrelavent.

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="psychobrew"] I do want to play co-op. I do not want to play a linear story mode. L4D is a cooperative game. Does it have a real story?psychobrew

L4D is not known for its story. I'd even go as far as saying the story in L4D is irrelavent.

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]And maybe I do? Also, you can still play through a linear story mode with friends in L4D. Animatronic64

L4D is not known for its story. I'd even go as far as saying the story in L4D is irrelavent.

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L4D is not known for its story. I'd even go as far as saying the story in L4D is irrelavent.

psychobrew

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The logic is not flawed. Once you know the story, why would you want to see it again? The story gets old much faster than good gameplay does. I'd rather not have to sit through cut scenes in multiplayer.

psychobrew

Hmmm Ocarina of Time, Halo, GoldenEye, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto IV (I can go on an on) all had stories and are considered some of the best games of all time (not necessarily by me, but in general). Also, I'm not saying that the stories in some of those games are great, but they had a story. So there really isn't any correlation with a game's story and how it's overall quality. Yes some stories ruin or make a game, but not as much as gameplay.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]Because I like to replay games? It's freaking cooperative campaign, what's wrong with that? Heck, I had so much fun playing through Halo with my friends, even if it played out the exact same way as it does in the single player. Besides, the cooperative was completely optional. It's not like your forced to do it. And it's a freaking first person shooter, it's not like you're playing Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid, generally the cutscenes are totally short and you can skip them. Also, the game can have competitive multiplayer too.

Tri-Enforcer

Hmmm Ocarina of Time, Halo, GoldenEye, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto IV (I can go on an on) all had stories and are considered some of the best games of all time (not necessarily by me, but in general). Also, I'm not saying that the stories in some of those games are great, but they had a story. So there really isn't any correlation with a game's story and how it's overall quality. Yes some stories ruin or make a game, but not as much as gameplay.

I just don't want them concentrating their time on the story at the expense of gameplay. That, and the games I tend to like don't really have too much of a story (and I hate cut scenes -- there were many times when I was playing MWR that I wanted to skip the cut scenes but the game wouldn't let me. MWR's story was terrible.). The games I like do have great gameplay.

To be honest, if I want a story, I'd rather read a book or watch a movie. When I play a game, I just want to play. Also, I'm not a huge fan of any of the games you listed.

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"] Look at it like this..... Battlefield is probably the greatest FPS series ever. It has no story. Mario is the greatest platformer ever. It has no real story. The best RPGs are open world and the stories are ignorable. See the trend? In the end, you remember the gameplay, not the story.psychobrew

Hmmm Ocarina of Time, Halo, GoldenEye, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto IV (I can go on an on) all had stories and are considered some of the best games of all time (not necessarily by me, but in general). Also, I'm not saying that the stories in some of those games are great, but they had a story. So there really isn't any correlation with a game's story and how it's overall quality. Yes some stories ruin or make a game, but not as much as gameplay.

I just don't want them concentrating their time on the story at the expense of gameplay. That, and the games I tend to like don't really have too much of a story (and I hate cut scenes -- there were many times when I was playing MWR that I wanted to skip the cut scenes but the game wouldn't let me. MWR's story was terrible.). The games I like do have great gameplay.

To be honest, if I want a story, I'd rather read a book or watch a movie. When I play a game, I just want to play. Also, I'm not a huge fan of any of the games you listed.

That's cool and we all have our preferences. However the world doesn't revolve around your preference. In addition to skippable cut scenes in single player, you also have competitive and co-op (i.e horde in Gears of War) multiplayer modes that don't rely on story--you can do plenty of shooting to your hearts content in those modes--in case you don't know.

HVS did admit, with the original Conduit, that they tried to cater to the gamer crowd that doesn't care much for story, hence the lack of cutscenes, and the need to hack optional messages. Nonetheless, HVS, was ripped by reviewers and users for a lack of story presentation--amongst other things. This time around there will be more story presentation, which is fine by me. So that should make the sequel's single player much better to me and many others, except you. I am just fine with that :)

i really don't belive in hvs considering a gimped waw trashed there game in nearly every area.that being said hvs isnt a good game company and there wii record is pretty bad with a below average shooter (conduit) and a supposedly terrible fighter.i hope the conduit 2 does turn out to be good but i doubt it will