CONFIRMED - No hub world in Super Mario Galaxy 2

At the Nintendo Media Summit, many people were concerned about the lack of a hub world in the Super Mario Galaxy 2 demo. Today, it has been confirmed that the final game will NOT feature any hub world system. Instead, they will opt for a world-map similar to that found in Super Mario World and New Super Mario Bros. Wii. To all of the naysayers, this news came straight from Shigeru Miyamoto:

"We want players to focus on the joy of the action instead of getting to each game course," said famed designer Shigeru Miyamoto. "We wanted to make it as accessible as possible and as easy as possible for the players."

"Also, because we're going to incorporate a number of different stars and conquering all the stars is going to be one of the most challenging missions for the player, we want them to understand as easy as possible where they should go next and which places they should go back to in order to get access to the remaining stars." Miyamoto

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Awesome! Good riddance.

Is this really a problem with people?

A hub world is nice but this is also a retro throwback to old Mario games.

More and more this is a title that's carefully being made exclusively for the casual

Nintendo saw the sales of Mario Galaxy and have gone out of their way to make the it's follow up easier then ever. Users will be sent from one area to the next so even someone brand new to gaming will be able to stay in the flow of the game

Makes sense too, the numbers for Mario Galaxy are not that good when you consider how many consoles are out there. Making this more casual friendly is a smart move

So... No more Rosalina?:( I thought she was awesome.

I am going to miss the hub world, but it is true that Galaxy's hub world was nothing spectacular. As long as the stages are as solid as they were in the first, I don't care. I don't buy Mario games for the hub world. lol Nintendo ripped off the Mass Effect Galaxy map.

Can't say I'm going to miss it; both the hub worlds in Super Mario 64 and Sunshine weren't much fun traverse at all,anyways.

"We wanted to make it as accessible as possible and as easy as possible for the players."

I personally am fine with this, but if this^ is the reason they are doing it than I do have a problem with the principle of the decision, not the decision itself.

As a developer you should never let the players hold you back!

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=118128

Proof that SMG2 is not a shoddy sequel or SMG1.5.

This shows me that a Mario sequel IS sometimes needed and SMG2 will be very compelling.

More and more this is a title that's carefully being made exclusively for the casual

Nintendo saw the sales of Mario Galaxy and have gone out of their way to make the it's follow up easier then ever. Users will be sent from one area to the next so even someone brand new to gaming will be able to stay in the flow of the game

Makes sense too, the numbers for Mario Galaxy are not that good when you consider how many consoles are out there. Making this more casual friendly is a smart move

Good news, everyone!

More and more this is a title that's carefully being made exclusively for the casual

Nintendo saw the sales of Mario Galaxy and have gone out of their way to make the it's follow up easier then ever. Users will be sent from one area to the next so even someone brand new to gaming will be able to stay in the flow of the game

Makes sense too, the numbers for Mario Galaxy are not that good when you consider how many consoles are out there. Making this more casual friendly is a smart move

I thought this was comfrimed a long time ago.

I thought this was comfrimed a long time ago.

LegatoSkyheart

It was rumored but not 100% for sure.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

More and more this is a title that's carefully being made exclusively for the casual

Nintendo saw the sales of Mario Galaxy and have gone out of their way to make the it's follow up easier then ever. Users will be sent from one area to the next so even someone brand new to gaming will be able to stay in the flow of the game

Makes sense too, the numbers for Mario Galaxy are not that good when you consider how many consoles are out there. Making this more casual friendly is a smart move

Shinobishyguy

They wont be harder

Just like they said New Super Mario would be hard and it wasn't

This game is going to be steamlined for the casual because that's the demographic they were missing with Mario Galaxy.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

More and more this is a title that's carefully being made exclusively for the casual

Nintendo saw the sales of Mario Galaxy and have gone out of their way to make the it's follow up easier then ever. Users will be sent from one area to the next so even someone brand new to gaming will be able to stay in the flow of the game

Makes sense too, the numbers for Mario Galaxy are not that good when you consider how many consoles are out there. Making this more casual friendly is a smart move

They wont be harder

Just like they said New Super Mario would be hard and it wasn't

This game is going to be steamlined for the casual because that's the demographic they were missing with Mario Galaxy.

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] So it doesn't matter if the levels themselves are alot harder? No hub world = casual?Shinobishyguy

They wont be harder

Just like they said New Super Mario would be hard and it wasn't

This game is going to be steamlined for the casual because that's the demographic they were missing with Mario Galaxy.

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

bob_newman

what? NSMBwii was alot harder than it's DS counterpartShinobishyguy

WHOA! WHAT???

I found it the opposite!

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

thedude-

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

bob_newman

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

bob_newman

I will miss the hub world as well. I thought the castle in Mario 64 was fantastic. Not a deal breaker though. It is just a hub world after all. The levels is where it is at.

galaxy's hub sucked. good riddance.

I like that the 3D mario games are starting to feel like the 2D ones. For me it's SMG > Most 2D games > rest of 3D marios. I like the linear approach, in this specific type of game.

WHOA! WHAT???

I found it the opposite!

LegatoSkyheart

Lets be realistic Bob, the overworld in Zelda is much more tied into the game than Mario's hub world. In Mario 64 it wasn't like that, the hub world was part of the game, like finding secret stages, getting secret stars, getting the hats. In Galaxy it was just there, you got the secret stars in the stages and when you got all the green stars, you simply jumped into a launch star.Sepewrath

So did you miss the part where I talked about Mario 64's hub being the one I liked?

That's what I want, but on a bigger scale. Galaxy's hub was disappointing, but imagine what they could do if they took the concept of 64's castle and added to it. That's why this bothers me, because it would be so much better than just a level-select screen. It's static, it's boring, and it lacks any kind of structure or cohesiveness.

I already had a problem with Galaxy's linearity, and it looks like they're going in that direction even more. If that's the case then I don't know how much I'll enjoy Galaxy 2.

1. SMG did not have as an elaborate hub as Mario 64.thedude-

I didn't say it did. I said I liked what Mario 64 had. That's what I want to see, but expanded on.

2. Action Adventure =/= 3d platformer, LoZ =/= Mario. If they took out the overworld in LoZ it would be an entirely different effect. The absence would affect the gameplay much more than SMG2. In SMG hub worlds you can explore somewhat and get to levels in an interesting way and unlock certain secrets. In LoZ there is so much more to it, its much more than a hub for LoZ.thedude-

Your opinion. For me, the hub world in 64 made the game what it was. And again, I'm not talking about Galaxy's hub, although even that was better than nothing (aka a level-select screen).

3. The game will not fundamentally be altered from the lack of a hub world.thedude-

It will for me. And that's all I'm saying. I never said my opinion was objective, be all end all. I said it upsets me. Last I checked, you're not me.

Best case scenario for me would have been a large and elaborate hub world like in Mario 64. So in that regard, I am dissapointed. But on the other hand, compared to Mario Galaxy, I didn't think the hub added anything to the game. In fact trying to find the level I wanted to play was some times a chore. So with that thought, I think this is a step up from Mario Galaxy.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Lets be realistic Bob, the overworld in Zelda is much more tied into the game than Mario's hub world. In Mario 64 it wasn't like that, the hub world was part of the game, like finding secret stages, getting secret stars, getting the hats. In Galaxy it was just there, you got the secret stars in the stages and when you got all the green stars, you simply jumped into a launch star.bob_newman

So did you miss the part where I talked about Mario 64's hub being the one I liked?

That's what I want, but on a bigger scale. Galaxy's hub was disappointing, but imagine what they could do if they took the concept of 64's castle and added to it. That's why this bothers me, because it would be so much better than just a level-select screen. It's static, it's boring, and it lacks any kind of structure or cohesiveness.

I already had a problem with Galaxy's linearity, and it looks like they're going in that direction even more. If that's the case then I don't know how much I'll enjoy Galaxy 2.

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

I didn't say it did. I said I liked what Mario 64 had. That's what I want to see, but expanded on.

[QUOTE="thedude-"]2. Action Adventure =/= 3d platformer, LoZ =/= Mario. If they took out the overworld in LoZ it would be an entirely different effect. The absence would affect the gameplay much more than SMG2. In SMG hub worlds you can explore somewhat and get to levels in an interesting way and unlock certain secrets. In LoZ there is so much more to it, its much more than a hub for LoZ.bob_newman

Your opinion. For me, the hub world in 64 made the game what it was. And again, I'm not talking about Galaxy's hub, although even that was better than nothing (aka a level-select screen).

3. The game will not fundamentally be altered from the lack of a hub world.thedude-

It will for me. And that's all I'm saying. I never said my opinion was objective, be all end all. I said it upsets me. Last I checked, you're not me.

How does SMG2 get fundamentally changed from SMG1 by not having the hub world of Mario 64 which is nothing like the hub world of SMG1?????thedude-

Maybe if you bothered to read what I said you'd know the answer to that. I want the hub to be like Mario 64. I never once said anything about wanting it to be like Galaxy's hub.

And how does it get fundamentally changed from prior 3D Mario games? Well for one it's static. It's no longer a world you're in, it's a menu screen. There's no more continuity, it's just click here and end up there. It's not going to feel the same for me.

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Looks like I'm the only one upset by this.

Sure, Galaxy's hub wasn't as good as Sunshine's or 64's, but it still brings it all together. You feel like you're part of this living world when you're in there, especially in Sunshine and 64.

This game is going to feel different now and I'm disappointed, to be honest.

bob_newman

So did you miss the part where I talked about Mario 64's hub being the one I liked?

That's what I want, but on a bigger scale. Galaxy's hub was disappointing, but imagine what they could do if they took the concept of 64's castle and added to it. That's why this bothers me, because it would be so much better than just a level-select screen. It's static, it's boring, and it lacks any kind of structure or cohesiveness.

I already had a problem with Galaxy's linearity, and it looks like they're going in that direction even more. If that's the case then I don't know how much I'll enjoy Galaxy 2.

bob_newman

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Maybe if you bothered to read what I said you'd know the answer to that. I want the hub to be like Mario 64. I never once said anything about wanting it to be like Galaxy's hub.

And how does it get fundamentally changed from prior 3D Mario games? Well for one it's static. It's no longer a world you're in, it's a menu screen. There's no more continuity, it's just click here and end up there. It's not going to feel the same for me.

bob_newman

[QUOTE="thedude-"]How does SMG2 get fundamentally changed from SMG1 by not having the hub world of Mario 64 which is nothing like the hub world of SMG1?????bob_newman

Maybe if you bothered to read what I said you'd know the answer to that. I want the hub to be like Mario 64. I never once said anything about wanting it to be like Galaxy's hub.

And how does it get fundamentally changed from prior 3D Mario games? Well for one it's static. It's no longer a world you're in, it's a menu screen. There's no more continuity, it's just click here and end up there. It's not going to feel the same for me.

Im loving this :) the day after the nintendo summit I said that there would not be a hub world in a thread I made about it, and I got a pretty big flaming ;), Ill try search for that thread because I recall some people in this thread were the ones who were annoyed with me ;);).

Just going back to that thread, why would nintendo show something at a press event in a 100% finished game.

Im loving this :) the day after the nintendo summit I said that there would not be a hub world in a thread I made about it, and I got a pretty big flaming ;), Ill try search for that thread because I recall some people in this thread were the ones who were annoyed with me ;);).

Just going back to that thread, why would nintendo show something at a press event in a 100% finished game.

dazzzilla

Just going back to that thread, why would nintendo show something at a press event in a 100% finished game.

Im hating the fact that there is no hub world its a disaster, I cant say I liked galaxies hub world it seemed I dont know depressing and small, Isle Delfino was one awesome hub :), and the castle had a bit of personality, that wierd space ship thingy was pretty dull in comparison not to mention Rosalina was one hell of a pointless character hopefully shes gone :).

But im happy in the fact that I was flamed for saying that there would be no hub world 4-5 weeks ago and now Im right ;).

Here is the old thread ;) http://au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27199441&page=0

I think I see one person in here from there ;).

Im hating the fact that there is no hub world its a disaster, I cant say I liked galaxies hub world it seemed I dont know depressing and small, Isle Delfino was one awesome hub :), and the castle had a bit of personality, that wierd space ship thingy was pretty dull in comparison not to mention Rosalina was one hell of a pointless character hopefully shes gone :).

But im happy in the fact that I was flamed for saying that there would be no hub world 4-5 weeks ago and now Im right ;).

Here is the old thread ;) http://au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27199441&page=0

I think I see one person in here from there ;).

dazzzilla

Ummm....just out of curiosity, what does have Galaxy 2 have than Galaxy 1 does not have...besides Yoshi and some power ups using Yoshi? I honestly don't know...and this game is only 2 months away from release.wiifan001

Same concept as SMG, it's a sequel, what else do you want to know lol

I'm actually pretty bummed about this; I think the hub in SMG was crap but I'd rather them improve upon it rather than just scrap it altogether. I enjoyed the hubs in 64 and Sunshine, I got to run around and goof around and got some enjoyment in that. The map selection thing seems lazy and I already saw it brought back in NSMBW; it was fine for that type of game but not for my 3D mario fix. I don't want anything on par with GTA or anything but the entire setting of the game is in space for crying out loud; don't tell me Nintendo couldn't do a huge, fun space hub.