this is why i hate this gen of systems so much bull out of gamers with the wii not being a real system for gamers or hardcore gamers, and yet in system wars its the 360 players that act like babies in system wars or on newselbert_b_23That is the sole reason why I don't bother going to system wars anymore. It's people that continue to say the Wii isn't for serious gamers and the Wii doesn't have any fun games that basically, to me, killed all the fun that once existed in system wars. Not to mention there don't seem to be any creative fanboys there that could match the old Yo_Foo and other infamous fanboys that I can't seem to remember right now type of epic threads....
Consumer Reports claim Wii is not a system for serious gamers
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The Wii is a system that any type of gamer can use and enjoy, maybe a bit harder for serious hardcore gamers though.
I disagree. My point was that when you compare the type of games being sold on the two systems, casual games sell better on the Wii (by percentage) then they do on other systems. Casual games like Wii Play and Wii Fit are the best selling games for Wii, while hard core games like Halo sell best for the 360. I'm not promoting the 360 by any means. I am just disappionted that less than nine out of every 100 Wii owners bought Zelda TP. That is the fault of Wii owners.
mrfokken
But Wii owners Sample Space (65 millions) is much bigger than 360 owers (39 millions). If you want a Wii "hardcore" game like Zelda TP be owned by 28,8% (like Halo 3 on 360) that would be around 18.8 million people,what would make it at the same time one of the best selling games of all time.
now if you take into acount that ALL Zelda games have sold around 1-7 million copies each, why would TP be different and all of a sudden jump to 18 millions sales?
Thus I think that using percentages in this case is not very appropiate. I think that the percentages of Wii Play and Wii Fit just show that Nintendo is now taking care of the bulk of console owners, casual gamers. MS and Sony don't, so you wont ever see casual games selling for them.
Given that I don't want to incur clickety's wrath again by stupidly not watching the video in question prior to commenting (yes, I will admit that I was guilty of that the one time), I'm going to watch it first. :P
Here's a transcript from the video, for anyone too lazy to do the same:
"The Nintendo Wii has family-friendly games for people of all ages to enjoy. The motion-sensitive controllers get you off the couch and into the action with tennis, bowling, and more. Working out with the [sic] Wii Fit Plus is a fun way to exercise. And if you just want to exercise your fingers with a traditional video game, there's New Super Mario Bros. and other favorites, like Lego Star Wars. The Wii is trying to attract more mature gamers with games like Resident Evil 4. And if you can't live without those old Nintendo games, you can still play them on the Wii. Another plus: free internet access. On the downside, the Wii's graphics are not as realistic as the other gaming consoles, and online gaming is cumbersome. The Wii is primarily a fun system for families and kids, not the serious gamer."
I think that it's a fairly decent assessment, really, although I would certainly contest the idea (which is stated almost verbatim in the video) that the Wii is not a system for the serious gamer... but I suppose it depends on what one even means by "serious gamer", too. Gamers who won't play anything that doesn't have blood and an M rating? Well, yes, if that's what one means.
But Wii owners Sample Space (65 millions) is much bigger than 360 owers (39 millions). If you want a Wii "hardcore" game like Zelda TP be owned by 28,8% (like Halo 3 on 360) that would be around 18.8 million people,what would make it at the same time one of the best selling games of all time.
now if you take into acount that ALL Zelda games have sold around 1-7 million copies each, why would TP be different and all of a sudden jump to 18 millions sales?
Thus I think that using percentages in this case is not very appropiate. I think that the percentages of Wii Play and Wii Fit just show that Nintendo is now taking care of the bulk of console owners, casual gamers. MS and Sony don't, so you wont ever see casual games selling for them.
gulfo
The larger base advantage that Wii has makes percentage comparisons about the only option. Still, while most people would probably agree that Zelda TP was one of the better games for the Wii (top 5?), it was outsold by no less than seven 360 games. This is so even though the 360 base is just over half that of the Wii. More than 21% of Game Cube owners bought Wind Waker with 4.55 mill sold as opposed to 5.45 mill Zelda TPs sold even though more than 3 times as many Wii's have been sold than Game Cubes. Had TP sold to 20% of Wii owners, it would still only be 5th in Wii game sales and 25th in overall game sales. I don't think those figures would be absurd.
The topic here is about the Wii being a console for gamers who are not serious. Seeing as the Wii Fit games outsold the Zelda game by a factor of 6, I'd have to say Nintendo isn't in a hurry to produce the next Zelda game. Even Nintendo's focus is on "casual games." That doesn't make me happy. I would prefer to have Nintendo and third party developers focused on games for gamers more than games for the casual crowd.
I can't believe people are dumb enough to cry over this.
Nintendo has been known to make consoles to appeal to more general players, and all Consumer Reports stated was that the Wii is more accessible to non-gamers. WHICH IT IS. Playing your friggin' Wii doesn't make you less of a man, or gamer, or whatever you're insecure about. Get some confidence and stop getting "offended" by something that's not even an insult.
Thats typically what it means, if your not a mainstream gamer who only plays CoD online and Madden, your not a serious gamer :P Boy do I miss the days before the words like "core" and "casual" became the most overly abused terms in the gaming world. Yes like LittleEnid said, Nintendo has always made thier consoles a place that had a wide assortment of content. They realize the money isn't in catering to people's ego but instead reaching out to as many people as possible. Now the problem with saying things like "serious gamer" is especially now, is it lacks any meaning. Like Gabu said; What does it mean, people who only play M rated games? Nintendo consoles will always be accessible to any and everybody, when you look at a list of Nintendo's best sellers you will see just about every rating represented, many types of software represented, genre's etc. When it comes to thier competitors the list is mostly made up of games that all share certain attributes in common. When I look at this I discren what they mean by serious gamer as basically the top 10 list for the 360. But hey whatever floats thier boat, I have been gaming for a long time and as long as Nintendo continues to produce consoles where I can play in a month games like Galaxy, Brawl, Mario Kart, Zelda, No More Heroes, Metroid, TvC, De Blob etc. they are doing fine by me.I think that it's a fairly decent assessment, really, although I would certainly contest the idea (which is stated almost verbatim in the video) that the Wii is not a system for the serious gamer... but I suppose it depends on what one even means by "serious gamer", too. Gamers who won't play anything that doesn't have blood and an M rating? Well, yes, if that's what one means.
GabuEx
I seriously dislike Halo but I think the Wii is my favourite of all the systems because it doesn't cater to just shooter fans.[QUOTE="Theguy56"][QUOTE="darkghost75"] i had halo 3 and i traded it in cause i didn't like it. but i still think the wii has the worst games of the three systems.
Master_Hermes
Let's not make this system wars. Saying the 360 is only for shooters is the same brand of ignorance as saying Wii is only for mini-games and Wii Fit, it's just not true. I have a Wii and 360, I don't have Wii Fit or Carnival Games and my favorite 360 titles are not shooters.
I was actually joking even if I didn't show it lol. Sorry.Oh boy, Gabu. Everything was good up till that last line, so I'm afraid I'm still gonna have to yell at you (imagine the capslock.) They said "primarily" a system for casual gamers, not "serious gamers". Primarily. I would say that this word indicates that he's referring to the the library. There are not a lot of good non-casual games, so someone who is serious about gaming and plays more frequently than a casual gamer will likely play through them quickly and be left with gaps of nothing to play on Wii that interests them. Compared to the PS360, which have a library that primarily caters to serious gamers with some good games with casual appeal here and there. These systems are primarily for serious gamers. It has nothing to do with blood (and I don't know anyone who won't play a game without it, and as a PS3 owner I am irked by that pejorative description of those who play systems other than Wii, as if there is nothing besides blood that could attract you to games on other systems) and just has to do with how many good games that appeal to serious gamers are on the systems. Remember: he referred to NSMB as a "traditional" game, not a casual one, so that counts in his opinion as one for a serious gamer as well. It's just that there aren't a lot those games on Wii.I think that it's a fairly decent assessment, really, although I would certainly contest the idea (which is stated almost verbatim in the video) that the Wii is not a system for the serious gamer... but I suppose it depends on what one even means by "serious gamer", too. Gamers who won't play anything that doesn't have blood and an M rating? Well, yes, if that's what one means.
GabuEx
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Oh boy, Gabu. Everything was good up till that last line, so I'm afraid I'm still gonna have to yell at you (imagine the capslock.) They said "primarily" a system for casual gamers, not "serious gamers". Primarily. I would say that this word indicates that he's referring to the the library. There are not a lot of good non-casual games, so someone who is serious about gaming and plays more frequently than a casual gamer will likely play through them quickly and be left with gaps of nothing to play on Wii that interests them. Compared to the PS360, which have a library that primarily caters to serious gamers with some good games with casual appeal here and there. These systems are primarily for serious gamers. It has nothing to do with blood (and I don't know anyone who won't play a game without it, and as a PS3 owner I am irked by that pejorative description of those who play systems other than Wii, as if there is nothing besides blood that could attract you to games on other systems) and just has to do with how many good games that appeal to serious gamers are on the systems. Remember: he referred to NSMB as a "traditional" game, not a casual one, so that counts in his opinion as one for a serious gamer as well. It's just that there aren't a lot those games on Wii.I think that it's a fairly decent assessment, really, although I would certainly contest the idea (which is stated almost verbatim in the video) that the Wii is not a system for the serious gamer... but I suppose it depends on what one even means by "serious gamer", too. Gamers who won't play anything that doesn't have blood and an M rating? Well, yes, if that's what one means.
clicketyclick
I suppose it does come down to what one consideres a "serious game." Certainly titles like wii fit and wii music wouldn't fit into that realm; but are titles like Mario Kart and Mario Galaxy, which appeals to many "seriuous gamers" here and casuals, serious games? While they may have a child friendly presentation, they can still have some good gameplay that appeals to myself and many friends who have been gameing for years. So how is a "serious game" defined, by blood and gore or where you kill people (wich is certainly lacking on the wii) or by core gameplay (which one could argue is either present or absent in many wii titles). I personally am of the persuasion that the wii has many titles that can keep "serious" gamers happy. I have no problem with the statment that the wii appeals to, or even chiefly appeals to, families and kids, one look through a electronics store's game aisle will tell you that. However, the statment that it is "not for the serious gamer" is what I have my issue with. Perhaps I am interpreating the statment wrong, but the way I take it is that the wii is a step up from the leapfrog, if you're a serious gamer this system is not for you, you cannot possibly enjoy yourself on the system.
...while hard core games like Halo sell best for the 360. I'm not promoting the 360 by any means.
mrfokken
As a Counter Strike player for many, many years, I take issue with your description of Halo as a hardcore game. Aim assist, exagerated hit boxes, and bullet curve correction are casual aspects that no true hardcore FPS player would ever tolerate. Of all the FPS games, Halo is the least least hardcore and most casual.
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Oh boy, Gabu. Everything was good up till that last line, so I'm afraid I'm still gonna have to yell at you (imagine the capslock.) They said "primarily" a system for casual gamers, not "serious gamers". Primarily. I would say that this word indicates that he's referring to the the library. There are not a lot of good non-casual games, so someone who is serious about gaming and plays more frequently than a casual gamer will likely play through them quickly and be left with gaps of nothing to play on Wii that interests them. Compared to the PS360, which have a library that primarily caters to serious gamers with some good games with casual appeal here and there. These systems are primarily for serious gamers. It has nothing to do with blood (and I don't know anyone who won't play a game without it, and as a PS3 owner I am irked by that pejorative description of those who play systems other than Wii, as if there is nothing besides blood that could attract you to games on other systems) and just has to do with how many good games that appeal to serious gamers are on the systems. Remember: he referred to NSMB as a "traditional" game, not a casual one, so that counts in his opinion as one for a serious gamer as well. It's just that there aren't a lot those games on Wii.I think that it's a fairly decent assessment, really, although I would certainly contest the idea (which is stated almost verbatim in the video) that the Wii is not a system for the serious gamer... but I suppose it depends on what one even means by "serious gamer", too. Gamers who won't play anything that doesn't have blood and an M rating? Well, yes, if that's what one means.
clicketyclick
My point, which I'm not entirely sure got across, was that the entire term "serious gamer" is a term that is completely undefined, which makes talking about it entirely pointless. What did he mean when he said "serious gamer"? We really have no idea, so we have absolutely no idea how to evaluate his statement as true or false. It's like "hardcore": what is a "hardcore gamer"? Ask two people, get two different answers.
I own thirty-six Wii games, compared to only twenty 360 games, and the amount of time I've spent playing games on each console (if you don't include Rock Band 2) is probably even more lopsided in favor of the Wii. Why? Because I find the games on the Wii much more appealing. Does that mean that I'm not a serious gamer? I have absolutely no idea, because I have absolutely no idea what the term even means when he uses it. That's my point. What games does one have to play or favor in order to take gaming seriously? And if it's not about games, such that one's status as a "serious gamer" has nothing to do with which games one plays, then how can one possibly say that a system is not "for" serious gamers when it is obviously capable of keeping one constantly amused?
(And yes, if you want to be extremely technical in the parsing of words, I recognize that one could say that technically he said that the Wii is "not primarily for serious gamers", which technically is true purely by virtue of the fact that it has a broader casual appeal than the other consoles, but really, the tacit assertion that so many make - that "serious gamers" probably should not bother with the Wii - quite frankly came across loud and clear.)
GabuEx, everyone has different meanings of "hardcore" and casuals", two terms that should never exist.
Someone could say they are a hardcore gamer because he plays fighting games so to him FPS games are for casuals and vice versa.
I think it's more of a case of people caring about their image.
Exclusive games, particularly the Halo outer-space shooter series, have attracted hard-core gamers to the Xbox 360.Consumer Reports:lol: Consumer Reports, GTFO.
I love it when they talk about the 360, they HAVE to talk about Halo.
[QUOTE="Marcster1994"]
I love it when they talk about the 360, they HAVE to talk about Halo.
iano-87
When who talks about 360? Who has to talk about halo? Whats your point?
The article. They made it seem like the only great exclusive game for the 360 is Halo when it's not.
[QUOTE="iano-87"]
[QUOTE="Marcster1994"]
I love it when they talk about the 360, they HAVE to talk about Halo.
Marcster1994
When who talks about 360? Who has to talk about halo? Whats your point?
The article. They made it seem like the only great exclusive game for the 360 is Halo when it's not.
Don't even think about trusting the media which is really so out of touch with the gaming world it's silly. The fact that they keep repeating the "word" "HD" over and over pisses me off.Obviously the Wii doesn't have a huge hardcore audience, but they are ignorant for not recognizing the people that are.
Im still working on getting every single star out of Super Mario Galaxy. Its just hardcore gaming in a ESRB E case
Serious gamers? That's probably why people stopped paying attention to the videogame industry after Pong, Space Invaders, Pacman, Mario, and Tetris because games after that got way TOO serious. Nintendo is bringing back the fun pick-up-and-play nature of family-fun entertainment to the point where literally ANYONE can join the fun playing Wii.
Let's not forget that the Famicom (Japanese NES) is named after "Family Computer", and that's why the gaming industry resurged with the Nintendo Entertainment System after the failures of other gaming consoles before it back in the '80s. History is repeating itself with the Wii bringing that same effect today, while the competition is still trying to conform the gaming industry into the movie industry.
Consumer Reports is not good for rating artistic expression whether it's videogames, movies, music, or any other kind of art. They should be more concerned with the fact that the Wii doesn't have XBox's "red ring of death" or PS3's "yellow light of death", and therefore the Wii is the most valuable and durable console.
You're not welcome here. You make too much logical sense.Serious gamers? That's probably why people stopped paying attention to the videogame industry after Pong, Space Invaders, Pacman, Mario, and Tetris because games after that got way TOO serious. Nintendo is bringing back the fun pick-up-and-play nature of family-fun entertainment to the point where literally ANYONE can join the fun playing Wii.
Let's not forget that the Famicom (Japanese NES) is named after "Family Computer", and that's why the gaming industry resurged with the Nintendo Entertainment System after the failures of other gaming consoles before it back in the '80s. History is repeating itself with the Wii bringing that same effect today, while the competition is still trying to conform the gaming industry into the movie industry.
Consumer Reports is not good for rating artistic expression whether it's videogames, movies, music, or any other kind of art. They should be more concerned with the fact that the Wii doesn't have XBox's "red ring of death" or PS3's "yellow light of death", and therefore the Wii is the most valuable and durable console.
DS_Lightning21
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