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#1 razu_gamer
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Thought this might interest gamers of why games are costly... maybe Nintendo was right to not rush into the high def era...



http://www.myarcadeplanet.com/story-39-why-do-my-games-cost-so-much.html



Also, read full article and from their also see the cost in pictures at the bottom...

 

about the poll, 720p could take/need two broadways instead of one.

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#2 nived29
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The HD era made everything expensive. The PS3 is a prime example of this.
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#3 FireEmblem24
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I wish we had 720p, but i can live with 480
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#4 deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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Nintendo made the right decision.The gen after this is mandatory hd.
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#5 PikaPichu
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I wish Nintendo would have supported 720p for the Wii. Games and text from the various channels could've looked sooo much sharper and clearer. :(
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#6 Icedtee9
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Bear in mind, the wii is targeted towards non-gamers unlike the 360/ps3. Nintendo's intended audience probably wouldn't know the difference between component, composite and s-vid. And plus, if they were to do HD, the console price and games would be higher.
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#7 spyder2040
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i think they made the right decision, this way we get the amazing gameplay at much less the price of the other systems
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#8 Duckman5
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Fine with no HD.
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Thought this might interest gamers of why games are costly... maybe Nintendo was right to not rush into the high def era...



http://www.myarcadeplanet.com/story-39-why-do-my-games-cost-so-much.html



Also, read full article and from their also see the cost in pictures at the bottom...

 

about the poll, 720p could take/need two broadways instead of one.

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hd is unecessary and a huge money saver for N
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#10 steventhebol
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Yeah, I also believe they made the right decision. According to some experts, It's going to take at least 5 or so years for most people to make the transition from regular color tv to HDTV and the reason for this is primarily the expensive price for these new tvs. Most people want the most out of what they get so basically to me it's a waste of money to spend more money on games that are meant to be played on a tv that you don't have. That doesn't mean that I'm against those who do play xbox360/ps3 games without these tvs.
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#11 videogameplaya2
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I would have paid up to $350 if it had hd.
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#12 meimnobody
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It should be noted certain studies have shown the vast majority of HD buyers don't even have services in HD or they have an old dvd or vhs hooked up the HDtv. Most also don't even use componet but are still using compositite and don't even know what HD is. All these buyers see is that the tv is huge and flat. Retailers will tell you of people bringing back HD tvs because the buyers couldn't figure out how to hook it up.
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#13 BeErBOnG29
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I wish we had some form of HD (at least 720p) to take advantange of my 1080p HDTV. Oh well, I got my 360 for that I guess.
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#14 CrankyGamer
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I only have an SD set but I still voted HD was needed. Everything coming out now is HD so what happens when I get a new set in a year or so. The Wii will just continue to fall behind as more and more people buy new TVs.
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#15 townsenda1
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HD is still too new.  Plus how much would it suck knowing you spent all that money on a system that you can't fully enjoy because you don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy an HD TV?  I'm cool with the graphics just get me some more games.
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#16 reggie186
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I don't think HD is necessary. I like my cheap Wii :)

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#17 razu_gamer
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I wish we had 720p, but i can live with 480FireEmblem24
Might mean they need two broadways though....meh...
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Bear in mind, the wii is targeted towards non-gamers unlike the 360/ps3. Nintendo's intended audience probably wouldn't know the difference between component, composite and s-vid. And plus, if they were to do HD, the console price and games would be higher.Icedtee9
720p aint that bad. Its 1080p thats requires tonnes of stuff.
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#19 razu_gamer
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I would have paid up to $350 if it had hd.videogameplaya2
for 480p the pixels is 345000 (480 * 720) and for 720p its 921000 (720 * 1280). SO an extra broadway is definetly needed. More than that I dunno. More RAM, probably but would not be that costly. I think Nintendo could have done it just about at $250 and still made a profit.
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#20 Optusnet
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720p was neccessary for Wii along with a 2x graphics boost. I'm cool Wii to be less powerful than the competition and not competing on graphics - but I'm positive they could've kept the same price, without Wii Sports, and 720p and 5x the power of GC, and still be laughing to the bank. 
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#21 jonthebum
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i agree, The nintendo wii has got the best choice of games and the price of the actual console is reasonable, unlike the ps3.
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#22 piggwinn
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I don't think HD is really needed. For Example Pickmin 2 has an option to take the filter off but when you do it takes away that realistic look and actually looks quite garish. My local Gamestation has a HD display demonstrating all the 360 games and they looked very sharp but to detriment of the overall look of the game. I played mine on an old panasonic 36" with s-vhs and my games actually looked much more realistic. I found this quite shocking and it put me off upgrading to HD. Plus the cost of replacing all my dvd's to HD would have been a major pain. 
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PC games have been running resolutions OVER 1080p for a decade now, and a brand new high def PC game costs $10 LESS than an xbox360 or ps3 counterpart.  So no, only high def consoles try to run you over the coals.  I'm glad that the Wii manages to put out cheaper games :)

 

For example, I was running Doom3 at 1600x1200 (1200p) back in 2003, and the game cost me $40.  It isn't uncommon for some pc gamers to be running 1900x1200 (1200p) or  2560x1600 (1600p) and the games still only cost $40 or $50!

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#24 SkatergirlXT
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Man, I miss the good days of my childhood. Where you didn't have to worry about HD or component cables, all you had to do was pulg in your SNES to the crappy t.v incased in wood, give the Super Mario world cartridge a goood blow and you were ready for serious gaming....
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#25 edd678
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Man, I miss the good days of my childhood. Where you didn't have to worry about HD or component cables, all you had to do was pulg in your SNES to the crappy t.v incased in wood, give the Super Mario world cartridge a goood blow and you were ready for serious gaming....SkatergirlXT

 

Hell yea ! *sighs

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#26 alpax
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PC games have been running resolutions OVER 1080p for a decade now, and a brand new high def PC game costs $10 LESS than an xbox360 or ps3 counterpart. So no, only high def consoles try to run you over the coals. I'm glad that the Wii manages to put out cheaper games :)

 

For example, I was running Doom3 at 1600x1200 (1200p) back in 2003, and the game cost me $40. It isn't uncommon for some pc gamers to be running 1900x1200 (1200p) or 2560x1600 (1600p) and the games still only cost $40 or $50!

Dust24311

I do not remember Windows 95 supporting resolutions higher than 1280 * 1024.

720p/1080i/1080p are formats that are based on the 16 : 9 viewing ratio, meaning that 1080p is 1920 * 1080, so you cannot say 1600*1200 is 1200p. Most people, and I mean the majority, do not have monitors and SLi/Crossfire multi-GPU video card setup to render games at such high resolutions.

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#27 Maelkav
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. Most people, and I mean the majority, do not have monitors and SLi/Crossfire multi-GPU video card setup to render games at such high resolutions.

alpax

 

Most people, and I mean the majority, don't have TV's that are HD, either.

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#28 alpax
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With the way inflation is going, the cost game should be hitting the $80 mark soon, but it is not. I remember seeing N64 games that were 64.99 a decade ago, but suddenly games are being sold at the $50 - $60 range; effectively shows the industry is relying on quantities now.  Though $50 is not chump change to me, games are one of the rare things that got cheaper over time so we cannot complain. 

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[QUOTE="Dust24311"]

PC games have been running resolutions OVER 1080p for a decade now, and a brand new high def PC game costs $10 LESS than an xbox360 or ps3 counterpart. So no, only high def consoles try to run you over the coals. I'm glad that the Wii manages to put out cheaper games :)

 

For example, I was running Doom3 at 1600x1200 (1200p) back in 2003, and the game cost me $40. It isn't uncommon for some pc gamers to be running 1900x1200 (1200p) or 2560x1600 (1600p) and the games still only cost $40 or $50!

alpax

I do not remember Windows 95 supporting resolutions higher than 1280 * 1024.

720p/1080i/1080p are formats that are based on the 16 : 9 viewing ratio, meaning that 1080p is 1920 * 1080, so you cannot say 1600*1200 is 1200p. Most people, and I mean the majority, do not have monitors and SLi/Crossfire multi-GPU video card setup to render games at such high resolutions.


1600x1200 progressively scanned by a monitor IS 1200p. Albeit a 4:3 ratio, it is still 1200p. Running 1024p isn't far off from 1080p (we are talking about 56 vertical lines of resolution :) So I still consider PCs to have been gaming at high def levels for a decade. I agree that most people do not have multi GPU platforms.

Edit:  As a follow up, you should look for an interlacing CRT, even from before the year 2000.  They simply weren't made.  Monitors have been progressively scanning their outputs for a long while now.

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#30 Duckman5
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With the way inflation is going, the cost game should be hitting the $80 mark soon, but it is not. I remember seeing N64 games that were 64.99 a decade ago, but suddenly games are being sold at the $50 - $60 range; effectively shows the industry is relying on quantities now. Though $50 is not chump change to me, games are one of the rare things that got cheaper over time so we cannot complain.

alpax

No. Our games would be cheap as hell if not for pirates and illegal emulaters. 

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No. Our games would be cheap as hell if not for pirates and illegal emulaters.

While I agree with you in that stealing is wrong, I disagree with your statement. I cannot be convinced by anyone that these pirates would go out and pay for a game in the first place. Software is unique from other items. If you steal a car, that one unique car is gone. If you steal software, it is just a copy and paying citizens still purchase an identical item. Allow the following illustration: First of all, piracy only exists for those that do not spend money in ANY scenario... Scenario 1: Citizen XYZ steals a game because they don't have $50. Electronic Arts does not receive $50. Scenario 2: Piracy never existed. Citizen XYZ still doesn't have $50. Electronic Arts again does not receive $50. Piracy sucks, but can anyone show me a scenario where Citizen XYZ would enter buying market? The "duplicate paradigm" is why things like DRM only affect paying customers, and likewise, it is only paying customers that affect companies, NOT pirates.
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All of that said, things like the trade deficit are what is really affected by piracy. Sorry to take it off topic, but I studied this about 18 months ago.
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#33 jfkunrendered
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I wish there was HD on Wii...but I can live without it. I only have one HDTV in my house and its in the living room. My room has a 20 in. SDTV....so i`m good.
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A lot pirates admit they pirate because they can and they admit they could pay for it. It's stealing plane and simple. Also the reason games used to cost near 70 bucks was due to the carts which at the time cost 25 bucks a pop to manufactor. CDs on the onther hand cost far far less to manufactor. What makes up most games is the game development, advertising cost. When a game costs 12 million dollars to make and the developer makes ten bucks from each 49.99 copy guess how many copies they have to sell to break even. Also guess what pirated games are sold in flea markets and stores pirates will charge people money for the pirated copies. So yes pirates will spend money if they have to. Games are a luxury item. I have over 15 DS games and guess what I propably have spent close to 300 dollars on those games. I only have a few used DS games. Most of mine were brand new. Know how I got them dirt cheap I found them on sales or they had deals such as buy two games for 14 bucks. I someone looks they can legimate copies of software and get a damn good price or even get it free if they buy something along with it. Or get it free period. I have over a dozen game cubes and likely only spent 300 dollars on them. Once again all legit only half of them used. Once again you have to look for deals. I have about a 100 DVDs. All legit. Only 600 dollars max to get all of them. Not a single one used. Once again I knew where to look for legit copies sold for very cheap.
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#35 razu_gamer
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720p was neccessary for Wii along with a 2x graphics boost. I'm cool Wii to be less powerful than the competition and not competing on graphics - but I'm positive they could've kept the same price, without Wii Sports, and 720p and 5x the power of GC, and still be laughing to the bank. Optusnet
You say 5 times the power of GCN. Before Wii was released, it was stated to be 4 times the power of GCN......so.....???
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i agree, The nintendo wii has got the best choice of games and the price of the actual console is reasonable, unlike the ps3.jonthebum
You are sort of right and sort of wrong.
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#37 razu_gamer
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@piggwin: I swear the new HD players upscale older DVDs...?? @Dust24....: you are making me drool. I really would like to play UT3 in 2560 x 1600 progressive just for the shear fun of it. But...$$$
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#38 razu_gamer
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@alpex: I geuss you need a beast of a PC to run games at such res. @maelkev: 20% of americans have it, but still too little i geuss.
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@dust: 56 lines. The world will now end.
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@alpex: I geuss you need a beast of a PC to run games at such res.
@maelkev: 20% of americans have it, but still too little i geuss.razu_gamer

 

20% of americans with full HD TVs?

 Link to your info?

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All of that said, things like the trade deficit are what is really affected by piracy. Sorry to take it off topic, but I studied this about 18 months ago.Dust24311
wait i am confused. So pirate stuff keeps games cheap or makes them more expensive??
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[QUOTE="razu_gamer"]@alpex: I geuss you need a beast of a PC to run games at such res.
@maelkev: 20% of americans have it, but still too little i geuss.Maelkav

20% of americans with full HD TVs?

Link to your info?

no, heard it somewhere. All i am sure of is that HD is definetly taking off. All find in catalogues for TVs are now HD ready TV's.
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[QUOTE="Maelkav"]

[QUOTE="razu_gamer"]@alpex: I geuss you need a beast of a PC to run games at such res.
@maelkev: 20% of americans have it, but still too little i geuss.razu_gamer

 

20% of americans with full HD TVs?

Link to your info?



no, heard it somewhere. All i am sure of is that HD is definetly taking off. All find in catalogues for TVs are now HD ready TV's.

 

The fact is, HD is NEW, so of COURSE mags would advertise for them. It doesn't mean that they are selling out.

Even many PS3 and 360 owners use SDTV as opposed to full HD.

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Nintendo made the right decision.The gen after this is mandatory hd.briguyb13
Yes that is almost certain.
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[QUOTE="Dust24311"]All of that said, things like the trade deficit are what is really affected by piracy. Sorry to take it off topic, but I studied this about 18 months ago.razu_gamer


wait i am confused. So pirate stuff keeps games cheap or makes them more expensive??


The result of my research was that pirates are factored in the business model only by AACS and DRM production costs (which don't affect pirates anyway), and at the global level, where US owned companies will export a number of DVDs from production plants in 3rd world countries, only to have several of them swiped in the import process. Note that only one item needs to be stolen to be mass produced. If 10,000 copies are mass produced, only 1 item was stolen, not 10,000. This is what I have labeled the "duplicate paradigm", where even though 10,000 copies are being swiped, they are dupicates of only 1 stolen copy.  All in all, the company was never going to receive money from pirates in the first place, and the company will still receive money from the end-user regardless. Simply put, if the end-user is affected by piracy at all, it is in adding things like DRM to CDs, which don't work. X number of consumers purchase X number of DVDs, with or without piracy. 

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[QUOTE="razu_gamer"][QUOTE="Dust24311"]All of that said, things like the trade deficit are what is really affected by piracy. Sorry to take it off topic, but I studied this about 18 months ago.Dust24311



wait i am confused. So pirate stuff keeps games cheap or makes them more expensive??


The result of my research was that pirates are factored in the business model only by AACS and DRM production costs (which don't affect pirates anyway), and at the global level, where US owned companies will export a number of DVDs from production plants in 3rd world countries, only to have several of them swiped in the import process. Note that only one item needs to be stolen to be mass produced. If 10,000 copies are mass produced, only 1 item was stolen, not 10,000. This is what I have labeled the "duplicate paradigm", where even though 10,000 copies are being swiped, they are dupicates of only 1 stolen copy.  All in all, the company was never going to receive money from pirates in the first place, and the company will still receive money from the end-user regardless. Simply put, if the end-user is affected by piracy at all, it is in adding things like DRM to CDs, which don't work. X number of consumers purchase X number of DVDs, with or without piracy. 

Pirates admit they could pay for the things they pirate. They often have to pay if they can not pirate something. Companies have done research and they do monitor file torrent services and where the pirates and hackers hang out online. You think they don't know what is being torrented? The FBI and other federal agencies monitored hundreds of websites in which stolen credit data was sold. They monitored these sites for months and rarely if ever made arrests but they knew every mention of theft and knew when to contact the credit card companies to inform on the stolen data. So often people weren't really affected. Instead it was the goverment and the credit card companies that lost large sums of money. Game companies will tell you that when they manage to keep their game code off the net prior to release they see far more sales of the game because they track what the pirates talk about. When a game is released that cannot be pirated they monitor the pirate activiity and notice the pirates buying the game because said pirates are forced to buy the game. So yes piracy does affect sales every act of piracy is a loss of sale. It's no different then shoplifting. Lots of shoplifters have been found that could afford to pay for the things they steal. They put more effort into stealing then working an honest job that would get them all the things they steal. Stores know how much they lose to thrift they keep inventory. They don't release detailed information to the public because guess what they don't want knowledge of the flaws in the security systems to become common knowledge nor do they want it known what is the hot item to steal because said items are incredibly easy to steal. They don't want it known all the schemes lowlifes use to steal from stores due to lax management and untrained clerks. Ever notice when someone becomes trapped in a bank vault to rescue said person takes forever and a lot of effort? The security company could very easily open that door however due to all the people involved such as the press they don't do the incredibly easy backdoor way since they don't want that knowledge to come out.
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#47 alpax
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The fact is, HD is NEW, so of COURSE mags would advertise for them. It doesn't mean that they are selling out.

 

Even many PS3 and 360 owners use SDTV as opposed to full HD.

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I am not sure if many people who have a PS3 or 360 use it on a Standard Definition TV. At least to me, it would be a waste of good hardware to not play it at its potential.
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#48 kails
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When it comes to HD that something I can't afford or don't have sadly
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[QUOTE="Maelkav"]The fact is, HD is NEW, so of COURSE mags would advertise for them. It doesn't mean that they are selling out.

Even many PS3 and 360 owners use SDTV as opposed to full HD.

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I am not sure if many people who have a PS3 or 360 use it on a Standard Definition TV. At least to me, it would be a waste of good hardware to not play it at its potential.

they do.1080p costs around £1200++
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#50 razu_gamer
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When it comes to HD that something I can't afford or don't have sadlykails
not really a problem