Could Nintendo PLEASE drop the whole blocks thing?

Here is the thing the wii's os firmware are not part of what they meant by 512 mb of flash drive. That was for the storage of vc games, game saves. Remember they never released all of the wii specs. There are still some secrets in the wii hardware.

Upgrading the opera browser didn't take any more blocks then the trial version did once it had finished upgrading. I highly suspect future firmware updates will make the amount of blocks game saves take much smaller.

I agree with you, they should put bytes instead of "blocks"jorgeluisbl

If they did that, the numbers would be huge.

What I don't understand is how the Wii's 512MB of memory is just over 2000 blocks, while my 1GB SD card is 7000 blocks. You would think that 2000x2=4000, no?migulic

You assume that the entire 512MB allocated to the blocks scheme.  I'm quite certain that'd be an incorrect assumption.  For starters, the file system of any drive means that the actual formatted, usuable capacity is less than the raw capacity.  For others, Nintendo needs a place to store firmware updates, downloads, etc, and it's a pretty safe bet that there's a cordoned off portion of that 512 drive that is reserved for system use.

[QUOTE="migulic"]What I don't understand is how the Wii's 512MB of memory is just over 2000 blocks, while my 1GB SD card is 7000 blocks. You would think that 2000x2=4000, no?Spelunker

You assume that the entire 512MB allocated to the blocks scheme. I'm quite certain that'd be an incorrect assumption. For starters, the file system of any drive means that the actual formatted, usuable capacity is less than the raw capacity. For others, Nintendo needs a place to store firmware updates, downloads, etc, and it's a pretty safe bet that there's a cordoned off portion of that 512 drive that is reserved for system use.

Yeah, looks like there's about 256 MB for saves/channels 

I agree with you, they should put bytes instead of "blocks"jorgeluisbl

Bytes? Then we would has these really long numbers, but it might work. 

[QUOTE="Spelunker"]

[QUOTE="migulic"]What I don't understand is how the Wii's 512MB of memory is just over 2000 blocks, while my 1GB SD card is 7000 blocks. You would think that 2000x2=4000, no?bryehngeocef

You assume that the entire 512MB allocated to the blocks scheme. I'm quite certain that'd be an incorrect assumption. For starters, the file system of any drive means that the actual formatted, usuable capacity is less than the raw capacity. For others, Nintendo needs a place to store firmware updates, downloads, etc, and it's a pretty safe bet that there's a cordoned off portion of that 512 drive that is reserved for system use.

Yeah, looks like there's about 256 MB for saves/channels

I'd think it'd be a lot more than that. 

Blocks are easier - it tells you how many blocks the game takes up on the packaging. And you know how many blocks are on your console. It's simpler because the numbers are smaller than if you used kilobytes (1 Block = 256 KB etc).

But that's my opinion.

i gotta agree ps1 memory cards blocks = stupid

GC memory cards blocks = stupid

Wii memory blocks = stupid

lets stick with KB MB and GB folks it standard not my fault if the world is too stupid to figure it out it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

[QUOTE="jorgeluisbl"]I agree with you, they should put bytes instead of "blocks"elektrixxx

If they did that, the numbers would be huge.

He's using bytes as a word to describe kilobytes, megabytes, and gigabytes.  Wouldn't it be much easier if games read "1.2m of 512m taken?

it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

kayne2000

Being computer illiterate doesn't make you a moron, Aristotle was computer illiterate, so was Isaac Newton (they probably could pick most of this stuff up in a week though).  On the other hand, we've probably got people on this forum who know all sorts of computer trivia, but couldn't change a tire, or do a load of laundry, if their life depended on it.  You can get pretty far with computers without knowing a lot about how they work, that's Apple's business model and they're doing pretty good.  How does forcing someone to learn terms that are mostly useless to them do them any good?  Next time I'm tuning up my grandma's computer should I say, "you picked up a virus, grandma.  I'll get rid of it if you can tell me what the CS jumper on a harddrive does." 

[QUOTE="kayne2000"]

it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

aransom

Being computer illiterate doesn't make you a moron, Aristotle was computer illiterate, so was Isaac Newton (they probably could pick most of this stuff up in a week though).  On the other hand, we've probably got people on this forum who know all sorts of computer trivia, but couldn't change a tire, or do a load of laundry, if their life depended on it.  You can get pretty far with computers without knowing a lot about how they work, that's Apple's business model and they're doing pretty good.  How does forcing someone to learn terms that are mostly useless to them do them any good?  Next time I'm tuning up my grandma's computer should I say, "you picked up a virus, grandma.  I'll get rid of it if you can tell me what the CS jumper on a harddrive does." 

first off those guys issac and aristoltle werent in a computer age like we are now so thats irrelevant

if your grandma is using computers alot and doesnt know certain terms that are relevant to daily computer use such as terms related to how much space you have left so you dont look at the harddrive and wonder why there is no space left on there is kind of dumb. im not asking for much here but basic knowledge of a machine most people use daily i think atta be required

yes i dont know a lot about cars but im not a complete ditz my point would be if you drive cars all the time then you should at least know this is the steering wheel this this is the blinker theres an engine in there etc a few basic things like that so you can take it to a mechanic and not be: "oh that thing that turns that round object is locking up" imagine how stupid youd sound this is the same analogy im making with the KB and MB. again not asking them to swap out a harddrive but still a little termonology would be good to know and its not like KB and MB is difficult to figure out.

and if you want to talk useless knowledge past the 8th grade in america anyway the load of useless knowledge people are given is staggering most of that crap is beyond irrelevant yet we still learn it anyway why? so people dont talk about shakespeare and we all go huh whos that? again hes irrelevant but youd be considered a moron if you did no know who that guy is.

Really, what difference does it make? You're given a standard of measure, and that's it. Like its been posted already, you know you have x amount of blocks, and a particular game will occupy y number of blocks. Very simple. What benefit is there to knowing byte count?

[QUOTE="aransom"][QUOTE="kayne2000"]

it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

kayne2000

Being computer illiterate doesn't make you a moron, Aristotle was computer illiterate, so was Isaac Newton (they probably could pick most of this stuff up in a week though).  On the other hand, we've probably got people on this forum who know all sorts of computer trivia, but couldn't change a tire, or do a load of laundry, if their life depended on it.  You can get pretty far with computers without knowing a lot about how they work, that's Apple's business model and they're doing pretty good.  How does forcing someone to learn terms that are mostly useless to them do them any good?  Next time I'm tuning up my grandma's computer should I say, "you picked up a virus, grandma.  I'll get rid of it if you can tell me what the CS jumper on a harddrive does." 

first off those guys issac and aristoltle werent in a computer age like we are now so thats irrelevant

if your grandma is using computers alot and doesnt know certain terms that are relevant to daily computer use such as terms related to how much space you have left so you dont look at the harddrive and wonder why there is no space left on there is kind of dumb. im not asking for much here but basic knowledge of a machine most people use daily i think atta be required

yes i dont know a lot about cars but im not a complete ditz my point would be if you drive cars all the time then you should at least know this is the steering wheel this this is the blinker theres an engine in there etc a few basic things like that so you can take it to a mechanic and not be: "oh that thing that turns that round object is locking up" imagine how stupid youd sound this is the same analogy im making with the KB and MB. again not asking them to swap out a harddrive but still a little termonology would be good to know and its not like KB and MB is difficult to figure out.

and if you want to talk useless knowledge past the 8th grade in america anyway the load of useless knowledge people are given is staggering most of that crap is beyond irrelevant yet we still learn it anyway why? so people dont talk about shakespeare and we all go huh whos that? again hes irrelevant but youd be considered a moron if you did no know who that guy is.

If you consider Aristotle, Isaac Newton, and Shakespeare irrelevant then any point I try to make will be wasted on you.

[QUOTE="kayne2000"][QUOTE="aransom"][QUOTE="kayne2000"]

it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

aransom

Being computer illiterate doesn't make you a moron, Aristotle was computer illiterate, so was Isaac Newton (they probably could pick most of this stuff up in a week though). On the other hand, we've probably got people on this forum who know all sorts of computer trivia, but couldn't change a tire, or do a load of laundry, if their life depended on it. You can get pretty far with computers without knowing a lot about how they work, that's Apple's business model and they're doing pretty good. How does forcing someone to learn terms that are mostly useless to them do them any good? Next time I'm tuning up my grandma's computer should I say, "you picked up a virus, grandma. I'll get rid of it if you can tell me what the CS jumper on a harddrive does."

first off those guys issac and aristoltle werent in a computer age like we are now so thats irrelevant

if your grandma is using computers alot and doesnt know certain terms that are relevant to daily computer use such as terms related to how much space you have left so you dont look at the harddrive and wonder why there is no space left on there is kind of dumb. im not asking for much here but basic knowledge of a machine most people use daily i think atta be required

yes i dont know a lot about cars but im not a complete ditz my point would be if you drive cars all the time then you should at least know this is the steering wheel this this is the blinker theres an engine in there etc a few basic things like that so you can take it to a mechanic and not be: "oh that thing that turns that round object is locking up" imagine how stupid youd sound this is the same analogy im making with the KB and MB. again not asking them to swap out a harddrive but still a little termonology would be good to know and its not like KB and MB is difficult to figure out.

and if you want to talk useless knowledge past the 8th grade in america anyway the load of useless knowledge people are given is staggering most of that crap is beyond irrelevant yet we still learn it anyway why? so people dont talk about shakespeare and we all go huh whos that? again hes irrelevant but youd be considered a moron if you did no know who that guy is.

If you consider Aristotle, Isaac Newton, and Shakespeare irrelevant then any point I try to make will be wasted on you.

They're entirely irrevelent to this discussion, which is what he was pointing out.  Were they around in the computer age, they'd certainly know what 'bytes' were, and have some idea of how things are stored on digital media.  As they predated it by just a bit, it doesn't remotely mean anything that they didn't know what a byte was, and it's asinine bringing them up to somehow prove that a 'smart' person could be ignorant about computers.  It's beyond a strawman. 

[QUOTE="aransom"][QUOTE="kayne2000"][QUOTE="aransom"][QUOTE="kayne2000"]

it could do the computer illiterate morons some good to learn these basic principles

Spelunker

Being computer illiterate doesn't make you a moron, Aristotle was computer illiterate, so was Isaac Newton (they probably could pick most of this stuff up in a week though). On the other hand, we've probably got people on this forum who know all sorts of computer trivia, but couldn't change a tire, or do a load of laundry, if their life depended on it. You can get pretty far with computers without knowing a lot about how they work, that's Apple's business model and they're doing pretty good. How does forcing someone to learn terms that are mostly useless to them do them any good? Next time I'm tuning up my grandma's computer should I say, "you picked up a virus, grandma. I'll get rid of it if you can tell me what the CS jumper on a harddrive does."

first off those guys issac and aristoltle werent in a computer age like we are now so thats irrelevant

if your grandma is using computers alot and doesnt know certain terms that are relevant to daily computer use such as terms related to how much space you have left so you dont look at the harddrive and wonder why there is no space left on there is kind of dumb. im not asking for much here but basic knowledge of a machine most people use daily i think atta be required

yes i dont know a lot about cars but im not a complete ditz my point would be if you drive cars all the time then you should at least know this is the steering wheel this this is the blinker theres an engine in there etc a few basic things like that so you can take it to a mechanic and not be: "oh that thing that turns that round object is locking up" imagine how stupid youd sound this is the same analogy im making with the KB and MB. again not asking them to swap out a harddrive but still a little termonology would be good to know and its not like KB and MB is difficult to figure out.

and if you want to talk useless knowledge past the 8th grade in america anyway the load of useless knowledge people are given is staggering most of that crap is beyond irrelevant yet we still learn it anyway why? so people dont talk about shakespeare and we all go huh whos that? again hes irrelevant but youd be considered a moron if you did no know who that guy is.

If you consider Aristotle, Isaac Newton, and Shakespeare irrelevant then any point I try to make will be wasted on you.

They're entirely irrevelent to this discussion, which is what he was pointing out.  Were they around in the computer age, they'd certainly know what 'bytes' were, and have some idea of how things are stored on digital media.  As they predated it by just a bit, it doesn't remotely mean anything that they didn't know what a byte was, and it's asinine bringing them up to somehow prove that a 'smart' person could be ignorant about computers.  It's beyond a strawman. 

exactly my point 100% if they had been around now im sure they would know but they werent so they are irrelevant to anything concerning computers.