Does Skyward Sword take the motions controls too far?

So my first Zelda experience was actually on my 3DS, when I picked up the Zelda special edition version, which came bundled with the game. I loved it from start to finish, and when I finally picked up a Wii (I know, picking it up at this point isn't even late to the party, it's missing the party entirely), the first game I got was Twilight Princess. I was a little skittish about using motion controls to attack with Link, but in the end I am now loving it (about 1/4 of the way through the game so far). However, when I found out that Skyward Sword takes the motion controls even further with 1-1 control, I became skeptical. After reading the gamespot review, I am now downright worried. I bought my Wii knowing that my investment would be returned just from the two Zelda games, but if the controls in Skyward Sword kinda suck, I'm not sure how much fun it will be.

I pose the question to you guys: Did you like the Skyward Sword controls? Did you find them more/less easy to use than the TP controls? Did the new control system ever lead to frustration on your end?

The controls in Skyward Sword are brilliant. Granted, some of it was unnecessary, but 90% of what you'll be doing with it is awesome.

So my first Zelda experience was actually on my 3DS, when I picked up the Zelda special edition version, which came bundled with the game. I loved it from start to finish, and when I finally picked up a Wii (I know, picking it up at this point isn't even late to the party, it's missing the party entirely), the first game I got was Twilight Princess. I was a little skittish about using motion controls to attack with Link, but in the end I am now loving it (about 1/4 of the way through the game so far). However, when I found out that Skyward Sword takes the motion controls even further with 1-1 control, I became skeptical. After reading the gamespot review, I am now downright worried. I bought my Wii knowing that my investment would be returned just from the two Zelda games, but if the controls in Skyward Sword kinda suck, I'm not sure how much fun it will be.

I pose the question to you guys: Did you like the Skyward Sword controls? Did you find them more/less easy to use than the TP controls? Did the new control system ever lead to frustration on your end?

Essian

Skyward Sword is the worst written Gamespot Wii game review for a Wii game by a "professional" critic

Tom failed to understand how the controls work. He had to edit his review and then pretended that's exactly what he implied just worded wrongly. This is not a nostalgia retread; it's fresh. The controls aren't perfect but they're waiting than McShea's out of context crap he pulls in his video review. That's just the beginning of a list of errors of that horrendous review.

The controls are fantastic and in the off chance something goes off you simply recenter it. It's very quick and easy to do. The only times I ever had to do it was when in reality my batteries were blinking red low.

I do not advise that review to anybody except for those who want to know how a professional incorrectly reviews a game.

Skyward Sword is the worst written Gamespot Wii game review for a Wii game by a "professional" critic

Tom failed to understand how the controls work. He had to edit his review and then pretended that's exactly what he implied just worded wrongly. This is not a nostalgia retread; it's fresh. The controls aren't perfect but they're waiting than McShea's out of context crap he pulls in his video review. That's just the beginning of a list of errors of that horrendous review.

The controls are fantastic and in the off chance something goes off you simply recenter it. It's very quick and easy to do. The only times I ever had to do it was when in reality my batteries were blinking red low.

I do not advise that review to anybody except for those who want to know how a professional incorrectly reviews a game.

wiifan001

Listen to this man.

MINI REVIEW OF MOTION CONTROLS IN SKYWARD SWORD:

Good: despite the potential of the WiiU touch screen being showed in that WiiU tech demo, I can't see the series going back from wiimote+nunchuck controls. Zelda was founded on a combat focus and the visceral feeling of the Skyward Sword and even Twilight Princess swordplay is just what the series needed.

Bad:

needs fine tuning

I've mentioned it before but I think they should have an attack button- not a button that makes Link swing his sword but a button that makes it so that if the button isn't held down then Link won't swing his sword. This would cut down on the number of accidental and unintentional sword slashes. Lots of people seem to be fine with the controls the way they are but I was constantly making accidental slashes, especially when I was preparing a slash (for example, moving the wiimote upwards in order to give myself room to make a downwards slash). I imagine this is what Tom was struggling with, since the timing of these slashes is very slim with the Moblins reacting to you very quickly. There are times when making false slashes will punish you extremely, like the electric Moblins or the final boss fight. The game gives you other ways to win which seems like a bandaid to cover up this problem.

Also I was constantly hitting the D pad to realign the pointer cursor. That was unacceptable.

MINI REVIEW OF MOTION CONTROLS IN SKYWARD SWORD:

Good: despite the potential of the WiiU touch screen being showed in that WiiU tech demo, I can't see the series going back from wiimote+nunchuck controls. Zelda was founded on a combat focus and the visceral feeling of the Skyward Sword and even Twilight Princess swordplay is just what the series needed.

Bad:

needs fine tuning

I've mentioned it before but I think they should have an attack button- not a button that makes Link swing his sword but a button that makes it so that if the button isn't held down then Link won't swing his sword. This would cut down on the number of accidental and unintentional sword slashes. Lots of people seem to be fine with the controls the way they are but I was constantly making accidental slashes, especially when I was preparing a slash (for example, moving the wiimote upwards in order to give myself room to make a downwards slash). I imagine this is what Tom was struggling with, since the timing of these slashes is very slim with the Moblins reacting to you very quickly. There are times when making false slashes will punish you extremely, like the electric Moblins or the final boss fight. The game gives you other ways to win which seems like a bandaid to cover up this problem.

Also I was constantly hitting the D pad to realign the pointer cursor. That was unacceptable.

GunSmith1_basic

I don't think I'm big on the "hold A to attack" idea. In the heat of battle I'd just end up holding the button down at all times, and then we're back to the sword "swigning" when I'm lining up an attack. I found that the best way to avoid that by far was to stay calm. Really, once you just take your time, the swrod behaves how you want it to.

Those light-saber moblins are a real pain though.:P

Af for hitting D to realign, I agree. The way to solve this is to not use M+ for the pointer. IR is just plain better and faster.

The motion controls in Skyward Sword are a massive step forward for the Zelda series. IMO, they are the biggest improvement made to the franchise in well over a decade. They work flawlessly and I hope they're here to stay for a while.

I don't think I'm big on the "hold A to attack" idea. In the heat of battle I'd just end up holding the button down at all times, and then we're back to the sword "swigning" when I'm lining up an attack. I found that the best way to avoid that by far was to stay calm. Really, once you just take your time, the swrod behaves how you want it to.

Those light-saber moblins are a real pain though.:P

Af for hitting D to realign, I agree. The way to solve this is to not use M+ for the pointer. IR is just plain better and faster.

goblaa

Tom Mcshea reviews....the reviews theat keep on giving...every day of the year lol.

if youre going to make motion controls legitimate, you had better take them as far as you can. thats why i didnt like the TP motion controls. replacing a button press with a wag only makes for a convoluted input. it adds nothing to the game.

however, i liked the SS controls. in reality, the controls are actually fairly similar to TP in that the sword strikes are only triggered by your swing rather than truly following your motion. however, nintendo dressed it up much better and added enough to the system to completely change its effect on the design. having the animation precisely follow your input outside of combat gives the right first impression. in combat, nintendo used m+ to add A LOT more attacks to trigger to the point where the illusion that the game is truly following your movements is maintained. yet the reason SS works so much better is more than the veneer. in TP, wagging the wiimote is merely a more complicated alternative to pushing a button. in SS, swinging the wiimote is a simpler way to organize a lot of different attacks. this leads to completely new (and honestly better) approaches to swordplay.

the SS system also works its way into the overall design in a way that just couldnt be in TP (it was obviously planned to be a GCN game from the beginning), but i guess thats a different thread. its still great a standalone system too.

No, Skyward Sword's controls are amazing. It's a little weird since I'm left handed but the controls still work great even though I'm using the opposite hand. Really wish they would have made a left handed option though.

Even my Wii and Zelda hating friend said that the controls were quite possibly the best he'd ever seen. The controls are exceedingly well done and very easy to use. Though I hate waggling the wiimote to break out of the things

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Especially on the second sarced flame boss, and the tentacles picked me up. It seems to replace repeatedly pressing a. Its just too easy that way

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I think the controls make the game. If you struggle with making motions, you will struggle with the game--kind of like trying to play basketball if you can't dribble or shoot. For those of us who can easily translate our arm and wrist motions to Link's, the controls are amazing.

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I don't think I'm big on the "hold A to attack" idea. In the heat of battle I'd just end up holding the button down at all times, and then we're back to the sword "swigning" when I'm lining up an attack. I found that the best way to avoid that by far was to stay calm. Really, once you just take your time, the swrod behaves how you want it to.

Those light-saber moblins are a real pain though.:P

Af for hitting D to realign, I agree. The way to solve this is to not use M+ for the pointer. IR is just plain better and faster.

GunSmith1_basic

I give the controls an 8.5/10 I think. Maybe a 9. Overall very good, though I don't think they are necessary to have good combat in the next one. However, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them return with many enhancements to the combat system. Oh and yeah at atimes the controls wer uneccessary, but I was reffering to combat.

My bro in law says it brings Zelda to a new awesome. So too far? no. I enjoy it even with the hiccups (which I finally solved - distant had to be closer) I had. :)

Any amount of motion control is too much motion control.slowpokebro

Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

SMASHKING84

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Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

Toxic-Seahorse

That's like asking why buy a 3ds if you can't see 3d.

Just because the main draw of the system is x doesn't mean that system has to have only x(ds games used touch screens quite a bit but there were plenty of games were it was optional) Or better yet why get an nes if you don't like rob.

but the best answear is i would be fine with motion controls if they actually worked 100% of time and not just maybe 80% and they were optional in more games (dokapon kingdom and dbz budoka tenkaich 3 proved you can do both standard and motion controls in the same game It's simple want both because it let's me experience games two ways.

Think of it like this imagine you have a game with an easy mode and a hard mode some people would jump right into hard but iw ould save it for when the game is starting to get boring the same with standard controls and motion controls in the same game i'd paly one mode until it bored me then play the other simple.

Skyward Sword's motion controls are so beautiful it brings a tear to my eye to just think about the care and dedication it took to get them so perfect. The gamespot review is absolute garbage. Skyward Sword is motion controls to perfection. Whilst I loved Twilight Princess, the motion controls were slapped on as extras. Nice extras, but not nearly as crafted and as beautiful as Skyward Sword's. Not playing SS is almost a crime, as it really shows how motion controls were intended and how they are supposed to work.

Also, first Zelda game is on the 3DS? how old are you?

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Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

Toxic-Seahorse

Why did you buy a Wii if you don't like motion controls?

Toxic-Seahorse

Well, the Wii has plenty to offer outside of motion heavy games like Skyward Sword and Red Steel 2.

Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

SMASHKING84

Skyward Sword wouldn't have worked with optional motion controls though.

Unfortunately, if you're not a fan of motion controlled games you may just have to grin and bare it, or just miss out on some titles.

For some things, yes. The red enemies that just constantly block your attacks. I could only ever hit them with random spin attacks or shield parry and then flail. Other things like the bow, whip, clawshots, bomb throwing, flying, etc felt great. But some combat felt tiresome and contrivee, using it for swimming just felt awkward, and anything that uses the nunchuk like rolling was just a hassle. Was rolling necessary with the dash feature? No. I just love it so much from the N64 games. lol

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Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

umcommon

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Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

Toxic-Seahorse

deep combat system like Skyward Sword has?Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]deep combat system like Skyward Sword has?soundcellx

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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]deep combat system like Skyward Sword has?Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="soundcellx"]LOLZ! Joke of the year!

soundcellx

[QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Why did you buy a Wii if you don't like motion controls?Toxic-Seahorse

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Yes untl motio controls are tweeked to be better and optional any game that uses them too much sucks,imo.

soundcellx

It's not the wii's fault you're doing it wrong.

no. nintendo took 6 years of failure with motion controls to make the perfect game with motion. all other games now should use LoZ SS as a model for motion controls in a game. imagine Dark Souls with LoZ SS controls??? da_chub

Except the problem it's still not perfect dual analogs might not be perfect but they are far closer to being perfect the motion controls will be for years.

Also t really pisses me off all of the next zelda games(this was confirmed by miyamoto)

will use motion controls 1.even if you loved them usig them over and over loses it uniqueness

2.it so much we get another loz,alttp,oot,tp,instead of gimmicks?

3.you take out the moton controls of skyward it's still anoteher rehash of the same formula

I'm not gonna claim oot etc were unque but they did add new ideas to the seris without throwing out what makes zelda,zelda(that is imo exploration)

Compared to TP's motion controls, SS is a godsend. You aren't just waggling (seriously, they should've just let us press a button). If there's one thing (along with the obvious graphics, I guess) SS is superior when compared to other Zelda games, it's the motion controls.

While I was overall very disappointed with Skyward Sword, it was not because of the controls. The new combat controls were fresh and very involving. I didn't really see any need for the loftwing to be controlled by motions, though.

With combat and items, not at all. They were excellently implemented and worked beautifully pretty much 100% of the time. With some other stuff? Definitely. Flying would have been so much easier without them, as would skydiving, swimming, and the numerous other minigame-type things in the game.

I'm literally at a standstill in my game because I can't get Link to do the stab/thrust move in the power generators. I've been trying for three days. Needless to say, my frustration level is 10+. All of the other moves he executes with precision, it's only the thrust he will not perform. It's maddening that I literally can't proceed in my game due to one simple move. Grrr! Any suggestions?scarletto66