DSi = DS2

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

TankZorz

No, it's essentially the same system. The faster processor is to accommodate the system's new features (camera, media playback.)

It's hardly a "DS2" ..the power leap isn't anywhere near significant enough to carry it very far into the future. We might see some downloadable DSi-specific games and other content, but I really don't expect that we'll see any retail DSi-specific games. Developers/publishers of such games just wouldn't have a very big install base to market their games to.

[QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Resimaniac

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. So basically it's a new DS ( DS 2).

[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

OK but you can't say Its a whole new DS... It's not a DS2 at all.Resimaniac

[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

darth-pyschosis

No

The "extra" in the DSi are to run the camera and the media player and to run the emulated games

There is no extra horsepower for games

Know what the DSi is? It's the Genesis when they started adding on pieces trying to make it live longer.

Plus you think that maybe NOW it'll get big exclusive games?

The DS is the best seller in gaming, whatever support it's not getting now it's not getting ever.

It does not make sense to include all the extra power and NOT use it for games. Would you seriously buy a new video card and only use it to watch movies? That does not make sense and Nintendo is not that narrow minded.TankZorz

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

[QUOTE="TankZorz"]It does not make sense to include all the extra power and NOT use it for games. Would you seriously buy a new video card and only use it to watch movies? That does not make sense and Nintendo is not that narrow minded.Jaysonguy

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

The DSI has been out in japan for a few months now.

Has there been and any exclusive retail games yet? Nope.

The dsi is NOT a ds2. Its just another hardware revision. The slightly upgrade power is probberbly to accomidate the new features. The dsi will not get its own exlcusive games in stores.

[QUOTE="TankZorz"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

Redonkulous_D

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

[QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"][QUOTE="TankZorz"] The DSi will not need that extra processing power to run those new features at all times. It will only need that extra power to run the camera/media/emulator WHEN THEY ARE BEING USED. At all other times it can use the extra power to run games.

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

Head_of_games

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"]

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

Nanu-

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

Jaysonguy

No

The "extra" in the DSi are to run the camera and the media player and to run the emulated games

There is no extra horsepower for games

Know what the DSi is? It's the Genesis when they started adding on pieces trying to make it live longer.

Plus you think that maybe NOW it'll get big exclusive games?

The DS is the best seller in gaming, whatever support it's not getting now it's not getting ever.

it already did get big exclusive games, a new WarioWare with innovative features not on DS lite, nintendo didn't even bother making Dr.Mario for Ds lite and its already out for DSi

both have gotten positive reviews in japan, both cost no more than $8

the DSi, to run a game like the new exclusive warioware, has to use the 132mhz CPU for the top screen to in real time use the camera, and use the lesser 67mhz CPU for the touch screen to animate objects, also using the 16mb RAM.

so yes, there is already a game downloadable for the DSi, which is exclusive, that uses its extra horsepower, and couldn't be done on the DS lite

so you jasonguy, are wrong.

jasonguy don't say there isn't ANY extra horsepower for games. i think it have "there isn't any" mistaken for "developers may choose not to use possibly"

because yes, the extra horsepower is there for the camera, web browser, but for developers (who can make SO much more $ off selling their DS games on DSiware instead of at retail) its out there if they make a game for DSi ware

so yes, every developer in the world could ignore it, but you got to think in 2010 when the DSi sells like 30-40 million and DS lite owners are a thing of the past, why not?

addittionaly, if they combine this extra power with using SDHC cards for the retail games instead of the tiny 256mb (at max) game cards they use now, i'll be a happy camper. you need that bigger storage for more features

i hope nintendo's next gen handheld after DSi uses 4gb,8gb,16gb SDHC cards for the games, maybe have them be locked out or erased when put into anything other than the DS system to prevent priacy. can you imagine? in 2012 or 2013 which is when i'd guess a new ninty handheld would come out, we could have 16gb handheld games, if SDHC was used. wow

[QUOTE="Nanu-"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Correct. I have to say that more processing power, a camera controller, and the ability to store data on an internal memory or SD card justifies a classification of a new system. I mean,the Game Boy Color had less than that over the original gameboy and it was called a new system.Head_of_games

If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".jjtiebuckle

Well, i'm remaining neutral on this discussion, hence i'm here to try to help people undenstand each other a bit.

I believe the center of this discussion is basically: "what you consider as a new system?"

Here are the basics:

New System: When the developer create a new design, based or not on a previous design, with the choosen specifications and features and release it at the market. The system has a new set of games, but maybe it can have backward capability.

Upgraded Version: When the developer picks a existing design, add/remove a couple of features and release it.

The DSi is still a DS, nothing more than a upgraded DS... but, it's current specifications and the DSi ware games would classify it as a new system, but it can't be classified as a new system because it's still a DS, it will be advertised as a DS and people would still see it as a DS. (DSi wsare games exist and have a lot of potential, most are still minor games, Nintendo is probably waiting to see how well the DSi sells before planning something major in the DSi ware).

So... i see it's a lot more fair to classify it as a new sub-system.

[QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"]If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".riariases

[QUOTE="riariases"][QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"]If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".jjtiebuckle

Well, i'm remaining neutral on this discussion, hence i'm here to try to help people undenstand each other a bit.

I believe the center of this discussion is basically: "what you consider as a new system?"

Here are the basics:

New System: When the developer create a new design, based or not on a previous design, with the choosen specifications and features and release it at the market. The system has a new set of games, but maybe it can have backward capability.

Upgraded Version: When the developer picks a existing design, add/remove a couple of features and release it.

The DSi is still a DS, nothing more than a upgraded DS... but, it's current specifications and the DSi ware games would classify it as a new system, but it can't be classified as a new system because it's still a DS, it will be advertised as a DS and people would still see it as a DS. (DSi wsare games exist and have a lot of potential, most are still minor games, Nintendo is probably waiting to see how well the DSi sells before planning something major in the DSi ware).

So... i see it's a lot more fair to classify it as a new sub-system.

DO YOU SEE ANY EXCLUSIVE RETAIL GAMES FOR THE DSI IN JAPAN YET????

NO

The only exclusive **** the dsi getting is dsware games. The dsi is not a new system.