DSi = DS2

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS.

Jaysonguy

DSi has 4 times the RAM versus DS, double the processing power, online infrastructure/downloadable games, upgradeable firmware, an SD slot, a new input device (camera), faster wifi

Wii got 3 times the RAM versus GCN, double the processing power, online infrastructure/downloadable games, upgradeable firmware, an SD slot, a new input device (motion sensing via infrared camera), wifi

Please tell me how it's not the next gen to DS.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS.

technimyoko

DSi has 4 times the RAM versus DS, double the processing power, online infrastructure/downloadable games, upgradeable firmware, an SD slot, a new input device (camera), faster wifi

Wii got 3 times the RAM versus GCN, double the processing power, online infrastructure/downloadable games, upgradeable firmware, an SD slot, a new input device (motion sensing via infrared camera), wifi

Please tell me how it's not the next gen to DS.

The Wii was launched with actual retail titles. All the DSi got was a few DD games. The Wii was available worldwide in November, so as to take full advantage of the holiday rush. The DSi was available during November in Japan, but was held back until April everywhere else. The Wii succeeded and replaced the GCN. The DSi runs alongside the DS Lite.

The DSi is not a next gen DS because that is not how Nintendo has treated it.

The loss of backwards compatibility is still a deal-breaker for me. I still like the original DS best in design, and I've tried all of the versions (my sister has the other two). I didn't feel Lite was enough of an improvement, and even less with the DSi. And now with the DSi XL, I'm wondering what's the point. But that's just my opinion on the matter. To me, the best improvement is the jump from the GBA to GBA SP.

DO YOU SEE ANY EXCLUSIVE RETAIL GAMES FOR THE DSI IN JAPAN YET????

NO

The only exclusive **** the dsi getting is dsware games. The dsi is not a new system.

Blazingfury08

If there aren't any DSi exclusive retail games, then what's this?

I love how the fanboys will try and have you believe that the DSi is vastly technically superior to the original DS or the DS-Lite yet can only cite "games that use a camera" as really the only difference. I have a DS-Lite and feel no need to upgrade to the DSi. Please, enlighten me to one game that can't run on a DS that can run on a DSi that isn't merely a camera gimmick? The DS, by default, has a bit of gimmicky appeal to it but this only continues that stigma in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Blazingfury08"]

DO YOU SEE ANY EXCLUSIVE RETAIL GAMES FOR THE DSI IN JAPAN YET????

NO

The only exclusive **** the dsi getting is dsware games. The dsi is not a new system.

ppshterror827

If there aren't any DSi exclusive retail games, then what's this?

I love how the fanboys will try and have you believe that the DSi is vastly technically superior to the original DS or the DS-Lite yet can only cite "games that use a camera" as really the only difference. I have a DS-Lite and feel no need to upgrade to the DSi. Please, enlighten me to one game that can't run on a DS that can run on a DSi that isn't merely a camera gimmick? The DS, by default, has a bit of gimmicky appeal to it but this only continues that stigma in my opinion.

GingerDeadMan

Ok. Mighty Flip Champs, Dr.Mario, Mario vs DK Mini's March Again, the whole DSiware ArtStyle series, Shantae, and pretty much everything on DSiware coz why,........... the DS Lite has no internal memory and cannot support the DSi shop.

If you don't think the DSi can be proven to be technically superior to the DS in terms of graphics, etc. then you don't think the Wii is technically superior to the GameCube

both DSi/DS and Wii/GCN have about the same leap in hardware (about 50% increase) and both support only the resolution of their predecessors

The Wii was launched with actual retail titles. All the DSi got was a few DD games. The Wii was available worldwide in November, so as to take full advantage of the holiday rush. The DSi was available during November in Japan, but was held back until April everywhere else. The Wii succeeded and replaced the GCN. The DSi runs alongside the DS Lite.

The DSi is not a next gen DS because that is not how Nintendo has treated it.

ThePlothole

That's not what next gen hardware means.

It doesnt become not-next gen due to a poor launch/marketing. N64 had a crappy launch, it was still the next gen to SNES.

At the risk of reductio ad absurdum: So you're saying DSi could have been a thousand times more powerful than even the PSP, with a terabyte of RAM, a direct neural connection to the brain, and still wouldnt be next gen if it had a bad launch? It's the hardware that makes the hardware next gen, not how Nintendo handles it.

DSi is a next gen DS, because it has more processing power, ram, and the same firmware/internet features Wii got. It is as much a next gen system as Wii was

Great. Another one of these topics. -_____-

There's many DS owners, like me, who won't upgrade to the DSi because there's no point of upgrading.
-The DSi has a camera and some upgrades. I still have a working DSlite, I don't see any major exclusives yet...
-The DSiWare and those Dr.Mario and Warioware games. Mostly shovelware... Still not convincing me into upgrading...
-System Flaw? really?
-Games still run the same and look the same.
-The DSphat, DSlite, DSi, and DSiXL...all look like a DS, ALL PLAY LIKE A DS

Nothing revolutionary, nothing that will make me and others go "OMFG I HAVE TO BUY IT!!!"

I'm only going to buy a DSi if my current DS breaks and is unplayable. Until then, I'm sticking with my lite til the next gen handheld.

Like some people said, Nintendo hasn't treated the DSi as "a whole new console." If it was the "DS2" then Ninty would have gave us MORE from it.
It's just a semi new system/ sub-system. People just have to accept it.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]The Wii was launched with actual retail titles. All the DSi got was a few DD games. The Wii was available worldwide in November, so as to take full advantage of the holiday rush. The DSi was available during November in Japan, but was held back until April everywhere else. The Wii succeeded and replaced the GCN. The DSi runs alongside the DS Lite.

The DSi is not a next gen DS because that is not how Nintendo has treated it.

technimyoko

That's not what next gen hardware means.

It doesnt become not-next gen due to a poor launch/marketing. N64 had a crappy launch, it was still the next gen to SNES.

At the risk of reductio ad absurdum: So you're saying DSi could have been a thousand times more powerful than even the PSP, with a terabyte of RAM, a direct neural connection to the brain, and still wouldnt be next gen if it had a bad launch? It's the hardware that makes the hardware next gen, not how Nintendo handles it.

DSi is a next gen DS, because it has more processing power, ram, and the same firmware/internet features Wii got. It is as much a next gen system as Wii was

Finally someone else gets it

Plus "not nex gen coz how Nintendo has treated it" ?

Nintendo has treated the DSi like a nex gen system, by allowing devs to make DSi only titles at retail and for download

I think people just don't like the DSiWare, DSi retail games thats it. They just don't like whats out already. Thats like me saying the DS isn't nex gen over the GBA coz i don't like any of the titles or so

We would've seen DSi retail launch titles if Nintendo had given devs their dev kits before the April launch. They mostly gave developers the kits in Jan 2009 or so, at the beginning of the year or October 2008.

If they had given devs the kits in spring 2008 or fall 2007,....We would have system flaw, Foto Showdown, GhostWire and many other titles that we don't even know about yet already on shelves by DSi launch

It was just poor launch handling by Nintendo

i think nintendo didn't expect the DSi to outsell the DS so soon, the DSi sold 16.4 million units in year one worldwide. I'm sure these DSi retail games are going to delay the nex handheld by at least a year or two now

Great. Another one of these topics. -_____-

There's many DS owners, like me, who won't upgrade to the DSi because there's no point of upgrading.
-The DSi has a camera and some upgrades. I still have a working DSlite, I don't see any major exclusives yet...
-The DSiWare and those Dr.Mario and Warioware games. Mostly shovelware... Still not convincing me into upgrading...
-System Flaw? really?
-Games still run the same and look the same.
-The DSphat, DSlite, DSi, and DSiXL...all look like a DS, ALL PLAY LIKE A DS

Nothing revolutionary, nothing that will make me and others go "OMFG I HAVE TO BUY IT!!!"

I'm only going to buy a DSi if my current DS breaks and is unplayable. Until then, I'm sticking with my lite til the next gen handheld.

Like some people said, Nintendo hasn't treated the DSi as "a whole new console." If it was the "DS2" then Ninty would have gave us MORE from it.
It's just a semi new system/ sub-system. People just have to accept it.

ANIMEguy10034

What? So putting dozens of AA software on DSiware isn't treating like its new? Have you played the fantastic Art****series? Dr.Mario? not to mention the awesome 3rd party titles like FieldRunners, Asphalt, etc.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]The Wii was launched with actual retail titles. All the DSi got was a few DD games. The Wii was available worldwide in November, so as to take full advantage of the holiday rush. The DSi was available during November in Japan, but was held back until April everywhere else. The Wii succeeded and replaced the GCN. The DSi runs alongside the DS Lite.

The DSi is not a next gen DS because that is not how Nintendo has treated it.

technimyoko

That's not what next gen hardware means.

It doesnt become not-next gen due to a poor launch/marketing. N64 had a crappy launch, it was still the next gen to SNES.

At the risk of reductio ad absurdum: So you're saying DSi could have been a thousand times more powerful than even the PSP, with a terabyte of RAM, a direct neural connection to the brain, and still wouldnt be next gen if it had a bad launch? It's the hardware that makes the hardware next gen, not how Nintendo handles it.

DSi is a next gen DS, because it has more processing power, ram, and the same firmware/internet features Wii got. It is as much a next gen system as Wii was

Again, the N64 replaced the SNES. And it had retail titles. It was a bad launch, but at least it felt like a launch. If the DSi was truly a next gen handheld, then its "launch" was the absolute worst Nintendo has ever done. Possibly one of the worst any console maker has.

So far the features of DSi have been treated, both by Nintendo and the developers, almost like an accessory peripheral for the main "DS platform". Developers generally don't like to support accessories.

So far the DSi looks like a quick-and-dirty way to extend the life of an aging platform. With a true successor in some stage of development.

[QUOTE="technimyoko"]

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]The Wii was launched with actual retail titles. All the DSi got was a few DD games. The Wii was available worldwide in November, so as to take full advantage of the holiday rush. The DSi was available during November in Japan, but was held back until April everywhere else. The Wii succeeded and replaced the GCN. The DSi runs alongside the DS Lite.

The DSi is not a next gen DS because that is not how Nintendo has treated it.

ThePlothole

That's not what next gen hardware means.

It doesnt become not-next gen due to a poor launch/marketing. N64 had a crappy launch, it was still the next gen to SNES.

At the risk of reductio ad absurdum: So you're saying DSi could have been a thousand times more powerful than even the PSP, with a terabyte of RAM, a direct neural connection to the brain, and still wouldnt be next gen if it had a bad launch? It's the hardware that makes the hardware next gen, not how Nintendo handles it.

DSi is a next gen DS, because it has more processing power, ram, and the same firmware/internet features Wii got. It is as much a next gen system as Wii was

Again, the N64 replaced the SNES. And it had retail titles. It was a bad launch, but at least it felt like a launch. If the DSi was truly a next gen handheld, then its "launch" was the absolute worst Nintendo has ever done. Possibly one of the worst any console maker has.

So far the features of DSi have been treated, both by Nintendo and the developers, almost like an accessory peripheral for the main "DS platform". Developers generally don't like to support accessories.

So far the DSi looks like a quick-and-dirty way to extend the life of an aging platform. With a true successor in some stage of development.

while all true, we have to wait til this fall

if nintendo doesn't ship out any 1st party DSi only retail titles that are awesome then you'll be right in the end too

But why let 3rd parties make DSi only retail games? Why not put out nintendo titles too?

It just seems so,....un-nintendo.

I bet this fall there will be better DSi only retail titles, some by Nintendo. Have they confirmed the 5th gen Pokemon will be on DS? Making it DSi only would be a terrific business move as it would move even more DSi units

while all true, we have to wait til this fall

if nintendo doesn't ship out any 1st party DSi only retail titles that are awesome then you'll be right in the end too

But why let 3rd parties make DSi only retail games? Why not put out nintendo titles too?

It just seems so,....un-nintendo.

I bet this fall there will be better DSi only retail titles, some by Nintendo. Have they confirmed the 5th gen Pokemon will be on DS? Making it DSi only would be a terrific business move as it would move even more DSi units

darth-pyschosis

The translation is imperfect, but the original source suggests it will be for DS. There isn't even a mention of the DSi.

I suppose if Nintendo really wanted to push the DSi they could make it an exclusive. But I don't see any reason for them to do so otherwise. Features like the camera could be implemented optionally (if at all). The 2D graphics in the latest entries are about as good as you can get, considering the limited screen resolutions. And making it a regular DS game means both existing DS/DSLite and DSi owners can play it.

DSi is not DS2 It's just an upgrade of the DSOmzzz

Well, I was a HUGE dsi skeptic, but now not so much, and this thread title may actually be closer to the truth than one might like to think. I've been looking to replace a dslite, and for the longest time I had planned on just getting the same model. In the downtime, I've been using my trusty old GBAsp--the crappy version with the front lit lcd. So I got to thinking, am I going to be happier playing my gba games on a better screen, or is the larger dsi screen going to improve the DS games. Initially I thought the former, but just today the latter took over because, really, i've played all the gba games before, and I think i'd be disappointed if i didn't upgrade to the dsi--because from what i hear, even though they are the same resolution, the screen size makes a world of difference. I rule out the XL because it is just way to big and even more overpriced than the Lite. However, for 40 dollars more than the DSlite, I can get a better quality screen AND its better to be on the safe side just in case Nintendo decides to release a dsi game that is worth the price of the console alone. Afterall, we've really not had proper 3d mario game on the system. It just seems more logical to pick up a dsi instead of the light.

Now, to the DS2 thing. It could be a true statement, because the dsi may be the final iteration of the ds hardware itself. It is certainly possible that the next Nintendo handheld will not be compatible with ANY ds software.

Again, the N64 replaced the SNES.

ThePlothole

That's like saying GBC wasnt the next gen GB, or GBA the next gen GBC

It's just an upgrade of the DS

No. PSP Slim is just an upgrade to PSP. It got more RAM/TV out, but no exclusive games at all.

PS3 slim is just an upgrade to PS3. PS2 slim is just an upgrade to PS2, PSone is just an upgrade to PS1

DS lite is just an upgrade to DS. GBA SP is just an upgrade to GBA

DSi is DS2