Holy Cow! IGN NVC rips Nintendo!

So I took that to mean that you were going to use Wii Music as an example of THEIR complaints not matching up with reality. If you want to do that, you've got to go by their arguments and assumptions. They never said that Wii Music was an example of laziness, so how are you planning to use that as an example of their claims (that N's laziness gets ignored and people lap it up) not matching up with reality (Wii Music not getting lapped up) when NO ONE in the discussion --- not you, not them --- sees Wii Music as a lazy effort?clicketyclick

Man, I like criticizing Nintendo more than I like defending them. When can we get back to talking about how their hardware decisions totally backfired and screwed third parties? :P

Call Wii Music whatever you want lazy, misguided, vague, incomplete. It had problems, how could you ignore those problems?

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]So I took that to mean that you were going to use Wii Music as an example of THEIR complaints not matching up with reality. If you want to do that, you've got to go by their arguments and assumptions. They never said that Wii Music was an example of laziness, so how are you planning to use that as an example of their claims (that N's laziness gets ignored and people lap it up) not matching up with reality (Wii Music not getting lapped up) when NO ONE in the discussion --- not you, not them --- sees Wii Music as a lazy effort?JordanElek

Man, I like criticizing Nintendo more than I like defending them. When can we get back to talking about how their hardware decisions totally backfired and screwed third parties? :P

Call Wii Music whatever you want lazy, misguided, vague, incomplete. It had problems, how could you ignore those problems?

thedude-

And frankly it does irk me that Wii Play is still a top seller while far better efforts sell far less.clicketyclick

I see elements of what can be termed "laziness"... or if you don't like that word, simply call it "missed opportunity that should not have been missed". But that's a lot more wordy than "laziness", isn't it.clicketyclick

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Call Wii Music whatever you want lazy, misguided, vague, incomplete. It had problems, how could you ignore those problems?

So then why is it bad when Matt brings up Wii Music as an example of one of their major misteps?thedude-

I just feel more excited, surprised, and anticipatory about other devs' games. I see a humongous leap between AC1 and AC2. And then I see Ninty resting on their laurels. *sigh*clicketyclick

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]I just feel more excited, surprised, and anticipatory about other devs' games. I see a humongous leap between AC1 and AC2. And then I see Ninty resting on their laurels. *sigh*JordanElek

[QUOTE="thedude-"]So then why is it bad when Matt brings up Wii Music as an example of one of their major misteps?JordanElek

matt doesnt know anything only his review are actally good compared to here lol ,

but other then that his view on the wii it self is just ironically wrong

heres why

1 when nintendo announced wii every one and their mother knew that nintendo said it wasnt going for graphics,

so its not nintendos fault matt desided to not isten instead down it , bcause of it

2 achievments are not innovative, what the heck i guess hed take a number over an unlocable cheat or map or what ever

i dont know how many peole i know who does not play for achievments half the 360 players i know dot even care about it ,

myscore is like 12 thousand but every one ive seen for the most part is under 5000

so you know what , i dont think matt knows anything about ps3 360 or wii

or why we own these said consoles,

il tell you

i own my consoles just for the games , not the graphics not teh online which would be useless 10 yrs from now if not sooner ,

seriously , whos gonna play on 360 xbox live or psn or mariokart wii in ten years- no one , so you know what ,

online maybe good and all but its not gonna improve the aging of a console in fact since ps3 360 rely on it so much they will not age well like ps2 wii or any other console that had on line but doesnt rely on it

and when i mean that i mean they have online but they also have multiplayer and singlplayer split screen etc

eg mariokart or perfect dark zero or call of duty series ,

those and sports tiltes will age more better then a game such as nfs shift or kz2 or resistance , half the fps even ,

name it in 10 yrs all that wil be usfull is singleplayer if it doesnt have split screen

and whos gonna play through these more then 2 times,

i dont see any motivation

in fact comes my 3rd point

i only can play goldeneye for like 20 minutes at most because ive been through these levels so many times, and when no one wants to play its done ,

and the thing is its still possible to get some one to come over and play that with me but a game like killzone or what ever relies on servers ,

and if these servers go down soy goes ankrupt nintendo goes bankrupt what ever , you will not be able to enjoy the game as much as youdid when the server was up unless it hs split screen you see mat forgets things

while hd is good if the 360 an ps3 were programed right you wouldnt need hd ,

look at wii ,

you can play it on both a sd and an hd and get the same quality,

dead rising and tdu are the only 2 games i know as well as gta iv that text is so blurred on sd , its unplayable , ps2 doesnt do that with gt4 ,

so ya he does not have as many points i just have hes a graphics fiend thats all there is to it

i like to see him come up with his own console and have it have all the features it has for 249,99 orless

cuse lets look at it this way not to be fanboyish but youk nwo

ill do a run down on the launch prices and whats included in it

ps3-599,99 not many were willing to shell out 500-900 for tvs plus 600 for this , so what does it come with besides the bluray

web browser

free online

wifi

memory slots

and the 60 20 and early 80 gigs played ps2 and 1 games

4 usb

60 gig or 20 gig or 80 gig (features depend on model )

wirelles controller -no rumble this is first gen ps3s ,

slims -299,99 no ps2 bc or memory ports and emulation used for ps1 also it does have six axis ds3 rumble controller

xbox 360 core 299,99 -no hard drive just the following

wired controller

and cords of course

pro/prem which is now discontinued for what im gonna list later

early pros-20 gig hd

wireles controlller

componant/composite av cables

late pros

60 gig -299.99(before the discontinuation0

componant /composite and a wireless controller

the arcade

early models gave a 256 mb memory card late models gave it inside the system 512 mb

arcade game disc -includes uno etc

for 199.99-after the price drop -which was 299,99 )

elite-early elites before discontinue of pro

gave

120 gig-stil do

componant /composite

hdmi cable

head set -pros gave white this gives blac

black wireless controller

429,99 was the innital asking prce but now they come with

composite cables wirless cotroller and ya for 299,99

all models w hard drives have limited bc w xbox games free silver xbl ,

all models with or without hard drives can play dvds cds -note ps3 can do so to )

wii launch price then=249,99 -now199,99

and it still comes with the followjing

wii sports game

console stand

composite cables

nunchukc and controller i think they now come with motion plus if i m not corrrect please correct

wifi out of box

free online

play music off sd-mp3 photo channel 1.0

aac-1.2

news weather an internet free

so ya , i think for wat you pay is what you get

and its well worth it stop listening to ign they define ignorant ,

and please stop posting other sitesproblems here

we dont need to hear or watch ign coverage if we watedto we be there

not on gamespot

@canadianloonie

Its very simple, people did not want a Dead Space rail shooter. Now I'm no business expert, but I think the way to make money is to give people what they want not what they don't want. They tried to do it the easy way, probably not Visceral, the order likely came down from EA to do it as a rail shooter to cut cost. Well it did and at the same time it cut revenue. I agree with JordanNintendo's first party titles most often are head and shoulders superior to competitors, what they are missing is the 3rd party because the 3rd party has one an identity crisis and two the refuse to take on Nintendo titles.

Sepewrath

BUT, people don't want a Dead Space with full third person controls either. You might buy it. But, there is a huge contingent that would say "Why should I buy this when I can play a much better version elsewhere? I'm not buying it!". The sales figure will still be the same if not worst.

To me, Visceral's decision to go on-rails is not because of laziness. This is Visceral's attempt to make a BRIDGE title. Dead Space is for hardcore gamers. On-Rails Shooter (Easy to pick up and play) is for the casual gamers. Sounds reasonable, no? Aside from making a Dead Space Mini Game Collection or a Dead Space - Run for Your Life Fitness, I don't see any other better ideas.

The problem is Wii owners only buys first party games. I can guarantee you that if Nintendo made an on-rails shooter of the same quality as Extraction. It will sell like hotcakes.

Nintendo is head and shoulders above Wii's 3rd parties because the great ones know better to not support the system. The few good ones who tries gets burned big time in the process. So, you are left with mediocre ones trying to fill the void.

alright I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in.... How do I put this nicely? I know; a list!

1. Nintendo is a Business and does not care what you want!!!!!

2. The only reason Dead Space Extraction did not sell was because of poor marketing and the fact that the on-rail shooter is a niche genre.

3. Those who think they need achievements in games do not know the meaning of gaming.

4. Fanboys will always have something to complain about!

5. The Wii is the system that gets bashed the most. Why? I don't know and I don't care.

6. Why are you all complaining here? go play a game that you like or better yet go play outside! (which is what I'll be doing after I finish my last post in the Gamespot forums forever!)

7. And my final words to all of you: Be proud of what you have and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Don't flame a person for having a different opinion, and for the love of God, gaming is supposed to be fun, not serious.

I hope you all have successful lives... Fleig_man out!

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]

@canadianloonie

Its very simple, people did not want a Dead Space rail shooter. Now I'm no business expert, but I think the way to make money is to give people what they want not what they don't want. They tried to do it the easy way, probably not Visceral, the order likely came down from EA to do it as a rail shooter to cut cost. Well it did and at the same time it cut revenue. I agree with JordanNintendo's first party titles most often are head and shoulders superior to competitors, what they are missing is the 3rd party because the 3rd party has one an identity crisis and two the refuse to take on Nintendo titles.

canadianloonie

BUT, people don't want a Dead Space with full third person controls either. You might buy it. But, there is a huge contingent that would say "Why should I buy this when I can play a much better version elsewhere? I'm not buying it!". The sales figure will still be the same if not worst.

To me, Visceral's decision to go on-rails is not because of laziness. This is Visceral's attempt to make a BRIDGE title. Dead Space is for hardcore gamers. On-Rails Shooter (Easy to pick up and play) is for the casual gamers. Sounds reasonable, no? Aside from making a Dead Space Mini Game Collection or a Dead Space - Run for Your Life Fitness, I don't see any other better ideas.

The problem is Wii owners only buys first party games. I can guarantee you that if Nintendo made an on-rails shooter of the same quality as Extraction. It will sell like hotcakes.

Nintendo is head and shoulders above Wii's 3rd parties because the great ones know better to not support the system. The few good ones who tries gets burned big time in the process. So, you are left with mediocre ones trying to fill the void.

First of all how do you know no one wants a third person Dead Space? A third person Resident Evil sold well on Wii and people want more of that (yet we aren't getting more).umcommon

I didn't say no one wants a third person Dead Space. I said it wouldn't have made any difference sales-wise. If you look at this forum, there is a much people who say "I don't want a Me Too game." as there people who say "I don't want an on-rails game." So, the total sales figures will still be the same. The only difference is who actually bought it.

I'm sorry to say that expecting another third party AAA, GOTY quality game like RE4 is unrealistic. There are only a handful of developers that can do that. None of them are doing stuff for the Wii.

It's the chicken or egg question. Gamers blames lack of quality. Developers blames lack of support. Stalemate. :(

[QUOTE="umcommon"]First of all how do you know no one wants a third person Dead Space? A third person Resident Evil sold well on Wii and people want more of that (yet we aren't getting more).canadianloonie

I didn't say no one wants a third person Dead Space. I said it wouldn't have made any difference sales-wise. If you look at this forum, there is a much people who say "I don't want a Me Too game." as there people who say "I don't want an on-rails game." So, the total sales figures will still be the same. The only difference is who actually bought it.

I'm sorry to say that expecting another third party AAA, GOTY quality game like RE4 is unrealistic. There are only a handful of developers that can do that. None of them are doing stuff for the Wii.

It's the chicken or egg question. Gamers blames lack of quality. Developers blames lack of support. Stalemate. :(

[QUOTE="umcommon"]First of all how do you know no one wants a third person Dead Space? A third person Resident Evil sold well on Wii and people want more of that (yet we aren't getting more).canadianloonie

I didn't say no one wants a third person Dead Space. I said it wouldn't have made any difference sales-wise. If you look at this forum, there is a much people who say "I don't want a Me Too game." as there people who say "I don't want an on-rails game." So, the total sales figures will still be the same. The only difference is who actually bought it.

I'm sorry to say that expecting another third party AAA, GOTY quality game like RE4 is unrealistic. There are only a handful of developers that can do that. None of them are doing stuff for the Wii.

It's the chicken or egg question. Gamers blames lack of quality. Developers blames lack of support. Stalemate. :(

That chicken and egg analogy is spot on though.

Oh I'm sure that peripherals and such are selling the games they're attached to. It still irks me. It's like... it's like... seeing everyone go to some fast food restaurant and getting a processed meat burger with the added value of a plastic toy when they could get a nice, juicy sirloin steak for the same price at the restaurant across the way. I just see Ninty getting away with a lot more than any other company gets away with. It doesn't make sense to me because the nostalgia factor isn't applicable to me. I didn't grow up with Ninty. So I come to these franchises for the first time on the Wii and I'm wondering why we're technologically behind by a number of years and why that's still ok. It seems that, these days, Ninty's in the business of peddling nostalgia and mini-game collections (with added value of peripheral!) rather than innovation that I'm told Ninty used to be known for. I just feel more excited, surprised, and anticipatory about other devs' games. I see a humongous leap between AC1 and AC2. And then I see Ninty resting on their laurels. *sigh*clicketyclick

I wonder if the Gamestop employee I mentioned in my post has seen this. This probably fills his eyes with tears of joy!

BUT, people don't want a Dead Space with full third person controls either. You might buy it. But, there is a huge contingent that would say "Why should I buy this when I can play a much better version elsewhere? I'm not buying it!". The sales figure will still be the same if not worst.

To me, Visceral's decision to go on-rails is not because of laziness. This is Visceral's attempt to make a BRIDGE title. Dead Space is for hardcore gamers. On-Rails Shooter (Easy to pick up and play) is for the casual gamers. Sounds reasonable, no? Aside from making a Dead Space Mini Game Collection or a Dead Space - Run for Your Life Fitness, I don't see any other better ideas.

The problem is Wii owners only buys first party games. I can guarantee you that if Nintendo made an on-rails shooter of the same quality as Extraction. It will sell like hotcakes.

Nintendo is head and shoulders above Wii's 3rd parties because the great ones know better to not support the system. The few good ones who tries gets burned big time in the process. So, you are left with mediocre ones trying to fill the void.

canadianloonie

A 3rd person shooter Dead Space is exactly what people wanted, better graphics doesn't mean a better game. Thats the reason why people say RE4(pick your version) is better than RE5. There was alot they could have done with the Wii that they couldn't do with the the other consoles, sounds coming from the remote, motion controlled weapons like a chainsaw, IR and motion based puzzles, more motion based items like the glow stick. I have Dead Space for the PS3 and I loved it, played it a bunch of times. However if they may a game like that for the Wii, I would be all over it. Those kind of mechanics, the sixaxis just cannot do. I'm sure thier are alot more people who believe that as well. Graphics doesn't make a game superior, its only one part of the experience and Dead Space like RE4 could be an experience that could be better on the Wii than its HD counterparts. Take another game, Shattered Memories, if that was on the HD consoles, the Wii version would be better, because of the way you interact with the game.

Yes Wii owners only buy 1st party games, why? I said it before in another topic, Ants vs Giants. On the other consoles, thier are alternatives to playing Halo, their are games on the console better than 1st party or at least on the level of 1st party. Its not like that on the Wii, publishers come up with half assed efforts, ants against massive GOTY quality giants by Nintendo. Whose going to win that power struggle? If a 3rd party released a game that was on the level of a Zelda, it would sale, hell a game like that RE4 which was a damn port and had already been on 2 consoles sold well. And if this was an attempt a bridge title, this was a stupid attempt. People aren't going to go from playing Wii Sports and Mario Kart to killing mutated babies in Dead Space. Read it out loud and see how little sense it makes. A bridge title is not something thats easy to play, its something with wide market appeal. Dead Space has evenhad problems appealing to the so called hardcore gamers and you think its suppose to be a bridge title because you don't have to move the character? Please.

All EA did was try and cut corners and claim "its teh hardcore" in hopes of it selling, but all they did was make another ant. The same 3rd parties that are getting burned on the Wii are working on the other consoles, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Sega, Capcom. The reason they struggle is because people may buy, hell people will buy Modern Warfare before they buy Demon Souls or Halo ODST. Because it is a big budget AAA title. While on the Wii people wont buy Extraction over Mario because Extraction is not a AAA title, its footnote from EA and it deserves to sell like one. When they put the effort in to compete with Nintendo titles they will reap the rewards, look at Tri, it was crushing Nintendo's titles in Japan. But they continue to not, they half ass it, make inferior product and then blame the audience for the failure they brought on themseleves. Look at you, its seems to be working.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]Oh I'm sure that peripherals and such are selling the games they're attached to. It still irks me. It's like... it's like... seeing everyone go to some fast food restaurant and getting a processed meat burger with the added value of a plastic toy when they could get a nice, juicy sirloin steak for the same price at the restaurant across the way. I just see Ninty getting away with a lot more than any other company gets away with. It doesn't make sense to me because the nostalgia factor isn't applicable to me. I didn't grow up with Ninty. So I come to these franchises for the first time on the Wii and I'm wondering why we're technologically behind by a number of years and why that's still ok. It seems that, these days, Ninty's in the business of peddling nostalgia and mini-game collections (with added value of peripheral!) rather than innovation that I'm told Ninty used to be known for. I just feel more excited, surprised, and anticipatory about other devs' games. I see a humongous leap between AC1 and AC2. And then I see Ninty resting on their laurels. *sigh*Sepewrath

It's not just new gamers that feel this way toward Nintendo. I'm 27 and grew up playing Nintendo systems. I also used to buy Nintendo games if merely for the nostalgic feeling I got playing Mario or Zelda. But I realize that I have outgrown Nintendo. I don't want to play Mario or Zeldaor even Metroid as fun as those games were. I feel that the PS3 more accurately reflects the needs of me as a gamer so I won't be buying a Nintendo console anymore. I agree with Daemon Hatfield when he says that the Wii is the first Nintendo system that I don't want to play. Don't get me wrong there are some good games on the Wii, but not enough for me to want to own one. Just my opinion.

they also said godhand was terrible which is bs. i went from madworld to godhand and honestly i think godhand is a far superior game to madworld. ign are nothing but graphic whores trying to pretend like they know how to give reviews.ps2snesgod

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]More reasons as to why IGN and mostly Matt are irrelevant, though moreover a joke.clicketyclick

No surprise, Matt and Bozon are total Nintendo fanboys and have pretty much always been. They're critical of Nintendo but never unfairly. I love Greg and Daemon but they are no authority on Nintendo (and don't claim to be) and they really should not be on NVC, keep them on Game Scoop where they belong and where they know what they're talking about. As for Craig and Jack, they're cool, but they also have little business running their mouths on about Wii, Craig's always been the handheld guy (GBA, DS) and Jack pretty much just covers Pokemon. Plus, I really doubt it was that bad anyway. Any bit of criticism coming from IGN about Nintendo is met with psychotic episodes from the people here and I don't understand why. Greg criticizes Sony all the time on Game Scoop and Podcast Beyond and Hilary Goldstein is always going after Microsoft on the Three Red Lights Podcast but nobody loses their crap over it.

[QUOTE="umcommon"]Well when you take all those quotes out of context it makes IGN sound like a bunch of blind haters. clicketyclick

Umcommon is right.

And some aren't even quotes at all.

Like for example, the very first point: "Wii sucks because PS3/360 have achievements." No-one EVER said this in the podcast.

This was a paraphrase of what Craig said: "we did a couple of editorials this week about the Wii being not quite as good as what's the current generation right now, the Xbox 360 & PS3" and of what Greg said: "I don't play my Wii like I play my PS3".

From that, Gonintendo decided that means they're saying that the "wii sucks."

But that inflammatory language is ALL Gonintendo's. All they said was that the Wii is "not quite as good" and one doesn't "play my Wii like I play my PS3". That's all.And that is summarised as "the Wii sucks."Really? Really, Gonintendo? Really?

This "paraphrasing" is just a very underhanded way to inflame Nintendo fans in a cynical attempt to drive up traffic to Gonintendo.

I think GoNintendo just copied and pasted another blog's summary of the podcast, I think they link to it in their original post. GoNintendo is no news or opinion blog they just regurgitate crap from other sites, credible or not.

Any bit of criticism coming from IGN about Nintendo is met with psychotic episodes from the people here and I don't understand why. Greg criticizes Sony all the time on Game Scoop and Podcast Beyond and Hilary Goldstein is always going after Microsoft on the Three Red Lights Podcast but nobody loses their crap over it.Master_Hermes

I think GoNintendo just copied and pasted another blog's summary of the podcast, I think they link to it in their original post. GoNintendo is no news or opinion blog they just regurgitate crap from other sites, credible or not.

Master_Hermes

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]More reasons as to why IGN and mostly Matt are irrelevant, though moreover a joke.Master_Hermes

No surprise, Matt and Bozon are total Nintendo fanboys and have pretty much always been. They're critical of Nintendo but never unfairly. I love Greg and Daemon but they are no authority on Nintendo (and don't claim to be) and they really should not be on NVC, keep them on Game Scoop where they belong and where they know what they're talking about. As for Craig and Jack, they're cool, but they also have little business running their mouths on about Wii, Craig's always been the handheld guy (GBA, DS) and Jack pretty much just covers Pokemon. Plus, I really doubt it was that bad anyway. Any bit of criticism coming from IGN about Nintendo is met with psychotic episodes from the people here and I don't understand why. Greg criticizes Sony all the time on Game Scoop and Podcast Beyond and Hilary Goldstein is always going after Microsoft on the Three Red Lights Podcast but nobody loses their crap over it.

However I don't think any complaining wont' change things. They don't believe they did anything wrong and will do it again. Some people do realize this. All one can do is call them on their crap. Warn others and simply stay away from the site. Deny them the internet traffic. Cancel your Insider subscription (some have been doing this). Find other podcast such as the one from NintendoWorldReport.com called Radio Free Nintendo that are far better in terms of maturity (they still joke and the show is funny but not insulting) and discussion. Find other sites to go to for news and information such as GameSpot, etc. That will bring attention in addition to the bad word of mouth to the higher ups at IGN and who owns the site now.

Honestly? Is the Anti-Matt crowd going to take every chance to rip into him... even when things have nothing to do with him? Do you people even know who was speaking on this podcast? Do you even know who said which of those lines? Matt C wasn't on this podcast. Bozon wasn't on this podcast. The people saying those things were Jack DeVries (the new guy in the ruffley shirt), Greg Miller, and Daemon Hatfield, hosted by Craig Harris. Is it any surprise that they said controversial things about Nintendo? There was a huge ballyhoo when Daemon Hatfield said the Wii is stupid on GameScoop, which is the podcast he's normally on. None of these people except for Craig Harris are the normal voices on Nintendo Voice Chat podcast. For obvious reasons. Now I SUGGEST that if any of you want to get all upset and angry over this, that you had better listen to the podcast first. You DON'T want to be like Fox News criticising Mass Effect for its salaciousness without having even played it, do you? Do you want to be like the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini who condemned Salman Rushdie for writing the Satanic Verses without having even read it? We've got enough people delivering uninformed, ignorant opinions on topics they know little about ESPECIALLY when it comes to video games. So people, don't be one of those people. Listen to the podcast before you comment.clicketyclick

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Honestly? Is the Anti-Matt crowd going to take every chance to rip into him... even when things have nothing to do with him? Do you people even know who was speaking on this podcast? Do you even know who said which of those lines? Matt C wasn't on this podcast. Bozon wasn't on this podcast. The people saying those things were Jack DeVries (the new guy in the ruffley shirt), Greg Miller, and Daemon Hatfield, hosted by Craig Harris. Is it any surprise that they said controversial things about Nintendo? There was a huge ballyhoo when Daemon Hatfield said the Wii is stupid on GameScoop, which is the podcast he's normally on. None of these people except for Craig Harris are the normal voices on Nintendo Voice Chat podcast. For obvious reasons. Now I SUGGEST that if any of you want to get all upset and angry over this, that you had better listen to the podcast first. You DON'T want to be like Fox News criticising Mass Effect for its salaciousness without having even played it, do you? Do you want to be like the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini who condemned Salman Rushdie for writing the Satanic Verses without having even read it? We've got enough people delivering uninformed, ignorant opinions on topics they know little about ESPECIALLY when it comes to video games. So people, don't be one of those people. Listen to the podcast before you comment.Sepewrath

[QUOTE="ps2snesgod"]they also said godhand was terrible which is bs. i went from madworld to godhand and honestly i think godhand is a far superior game to madworld. ign are nothing but graphic whores trying to pretend like they know how to give reviews.clicketyclick

Or the fact that games reviewed by two entirely differentpeople with different gaming tastes will have an impact on erratic scoring.

While the Nintendo bashing is annoying I don't think that is what really got to so many people on their own forums and other locations. It played a part but don't think that's really what got under people's skin. It was their outright insults to Nintendo fans and Wii owners, the very people that would naturally tune into the podcast. Sure they were saying them or trying to in a joking fashion but they were insults none the less. For example someone insults your mother, sister, girlfriend or wife. They do it in a joking manner . It doesn't matter how they said it they still said it and it's an insult end of story. That's what took place here. NeoStar9

A 3rd person shooter Dead Space is exactly what people wanted, better graphics doesn't mean a better game. Thats the reason why people say RE4(pick your version) is better than RE5. There was alot they could have done with the Wii that they couldn't do with the the other consoles, sounds coming from the remote, motion controlled weapons like a chainsaw, IR and motion based puzzles, more motion based items like the glow stick. I have Dead Space for the PS3 and I loved it, played it a bunch of times. However if they may a game like that for the Wii, I would be all over it. Those kind of mechanics, the sixaxis just cannot do. I'm sure thier are alot more people who believe that as well. Graphics doesn't make a game superior, its only one part of the experience and Dead Space like RE4 could be an experience that could be better on the Wii than its HD counterparts. Take another game, Shattered Memories, if that was on the HD consoles, the Wii version would be better, because of the way you interact with the game.

You have this idealistic notion that if Extraction was only a 3rd person shooter, then it will suddenly be a AAA, GOTY material. I would love to get a Dead Space Wii game that you've just described, but that isn't happening. Partly because of the Wii's hardware limitation and partly because third parties are no longer willing to devote the time and money in making one knowing Wii's lack of third party support.

So, what will a 3rd person shooter Dead Space be like? Take the PS3 version that you like. Take 60% of that. Add some motion and IR controls. That's a 3rd person Dead Space Wii. It won't be RE4 quality. Can it be done? Sure. Is it likely? No.

Yes Wii owners only buy 1st party games, why? I said it before in another topic, Ants vs Giants. On the other consoles, thier are alternatives to playing Halo, their are games on the console better than 1st party or at least on the level of 1st party. Its not like that on the Wii, publishers come up with half assed efforts, ants against massive GOTY quality giants by Nintendo. Whose going to win that power struggle? If a 3rd party released a game that was on the level of a Zelda, it would sale, hell a game like that RE4 which was a damn port and had already been on 2 consoles sold well. And if this was an attempt a bridge title, this was a stupid attempt. People aren't going to go from playing Wii Sports and Mario Kart to killing mutated babies in Dead Space. Read it out loud and see how little sense it makes. A bridge title is not something thats easy to play, its something with wide market appeal. Dead Space has evenhad problems appealing to the so called hardcore gamers and you think its suppose to be a bridge title because you don't have to move the character? Please.

Well obviously...Dead Space isn't targeting the casual crowd that digs Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and EA Sports Active. They're targeting the younger casual crowd that digs music rhythm games and the like. I know I'm not going to convince you, but on-rail shooters are FUN. It has a great casual appeal. Have a couple of friends over. They want to play something to play together that isn't too involved or complicated. On-rails shooters is the perfect type of game.

All EA did was try and cut corners and claim "its teh hardcore" in hopes of it selling, but all they did was make another ant. The same 3rd parties that are getting burned on the Wii are working on the other consoles, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Sega, Capcom. The reason they struggle is because people may buy, hell people will buy Modern Warfare before they buy Demon Souls or Halo ODST. Because it is a big budget AAA title. While on the Wii people wont buy Extraction over Mario because Extraction is not a AAA title, its footnote from EA and it deserves to sell like one. When they put the effort in to compete with Nintendo titles they will reap the rewards, look at Tri, it was crushing Nintendo's titles in Japan. But they continue to not, they half ass it, make inferior product and then blame the audience for the failure they brought on themseleves. Look at you, its seems to be working.

Tri sold in Japan because it's "Monster Hunter". What is the difference between Monster Hunter Freedom 2 and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite? Nothing. It's what you would call a lazy effort. It didn't stop Japan from eating it up. If Capcom made an on-rails Monster Hunter game, it would be crushing Nintendo titles in Japan.

Sepewrath

I lol'd at the complaint for achievements. Seriously they aren't that special.

I do wish Nintendo hadgood online networking though.

All the rest is just too funny. :lol:

Especially NSMBW being a port from the DS.

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Explain?

Because I was not talking about the "point" there. It was just a comment on how well done Uncharted 2 was.LordQuorthon

And who was saying the opposite? I haven't played. I bet it's great. Still, New Super Mario is outselling it and a bunch of game journalists are going crazy. It's not just IGN. Some guys from the Gametrailers podcast have been having an on going meltdown since late November.

Also just because GoNintendo reposts other people's work does not mean they do not have some responsibility. Maybe GoNintendo, like the rest of you that jumped on the immediate hate train, should have listened to the podcast. Now the site, IGN, you hate so much is getting HUGE traffic from all sorts of gamers.

IGN has lots of big fans and lots of big haters. They will make articles that are controversial and anger some crowds, but they also point out (esp. the Nintendo Team) things about Nintendo no one else in the industry recognizes for another 6 months. IGN was calling out the Wii right from the begining when there were way too many PSP and PS2 ports comining out. IGN will always call Nintendo out, their Nintendo team has its quirks, but they are not biased towards Nintendo. You can always rest assured they will give a critical outlook to everything.

thedude-

Again, it's not IGN. It's game journalism as a whole. In fact, it's the industry.

You know how some people (hey, Darth Psychosis!) think third parties will automatically release all their games on Nintendo's next home console if it has HD and tons of megahertz and gigabytes? Well, after New Super Mario Bros. Wii, you can discard that possibility for at least a decade and a half or something. The industry as a whole is incredibly pissed at the idea of a 2D arcade game outselling their precious 30 million-dollar-budget games. Again, nothing against those games. It's just how they are reacting.

They are not anti-Nintendo. Controversial Wii articles do not mean IGN is anti-Nintendo. Love em or hate em, agree or disagree their articles are making people think about the state of Wii.thedude-

It was just a joke, don't take it so seriously. But thier controversy was just a means to stir things up, they really had no merit. Since they didn't actually confront any of the real issues.

@candaianloonie

No, I'm not saying that making a full on Dead Space game would automatically make a AAA title, but it would have been better than a rail shooter because Visceral is a great developer and they could have capture what made Dead Space so great. And even more important, it would have certainly made the game more marketable, which in the end is the bottom line. But in that case, everybody would have won. And the whole casaul thing is complete nonsense, there are alot of games you can play with friends, especially on the Wii that are easier transfer from Rock Band. Extraction is not a party game, no matter what way you try to sale it like it was suppose to be some kind of game that can appeal to anyone, its not going to fly, because it wasn't. It was a game for "teh hardcorezzzzz!!" EA was really trying to market it to people who already played the original Dead Space. And you don't have to convine me a rail shooter is fun, I know they are. I enjoy HoTD, but guess what Dead Space is not a rail shooter series and EA shouldn't have tried to force it into one. Especially since they were trying to market it to the original Dead Space audience.

And lol people would have bought Tri if it was on rails, are you kidding, because now your just grasping at straws. That would be like Nintendo putting Mario Galaxy 2 on rails, people would be more likely burn the Tokyo headquarters to the ground then they would be to just except it and buy it. You don't believe me, look at the sales of Sunshine will Nintendo slightly changed the formula vs the sales of Mario 64 and Galaxy. People bought Tri because it was another high quality console Monster Hunter and people responded by buying in huge numbers. Yes games can sale to extent on name alone, but if the product isn't there all the name recognition in the world wont save it.

No, I'm not saying that making a full on Dead Space game would automatically make a AAA title, but it would have been better than a rail shooter because Visceral is a great developer and they could have capture what made Dead Space so great. And even more important, it would have certainly made the game more marketable, which in the end is the bottom line. But in that case, everybody would have won. And the whole casaul thing is complete nonsense, there are alot of games you can play with friends, especially on the Wii that are easier transfer from Rock Band. Extraction is not a party game, no matter what way you try to sale it like it was suppose to be some kind of game that can appeal to anyone, its not going to fly, because it wasn't. It was a game for "teh hardcorezzzzz!!" EA was really trying to market it to people who already played the original Dead Space. And you don't have to convine me a rail shooter is fun, I know they are. I enjoy HoTD, but guess what Dead Space is not a rail shooter series and EA shouldn't have tried to force it into one. Especially since they were trying to market it to the original Dead Space audience.

Fair Enough. I see your point. I just don't think the a third person Dead Space on the Wii will be any better. It'll be a gimped version.

And lol people would have bought Tri if it was on rails, are you kidding, because now your just grasping at straws. That would be like Nintendo putting Mario Galaxy 2 on rails, people would be more likely burn the Tokyo headquarters to the ground then they would be to just except it and buy it. You don't believe me, look at the sales of Sunshine will Nintendo slightly changed the formula vs the sales of Mario 64 and Galaxy. People bought Tri because it was another high quality console Monster Hunter and people responded by buying in huge numbers. Yes games can sale to extent on name alone, but if the product isn't there all the name recognition in the world wont save it.

It was meant as a joke but with a large dose of truth to it. My point was anything Monster Hunter will sell in Japan. It has nothing to do with quality.

I find it really funny that you're praising Capcom for Monster Hunter Tri. The Monster Hunter series is the epitome of cutting corners and quick lazy cash-ins. Why did Capcom choose Wii over PS3? Because making a Monster Hunter HD would be too much work. Why not simply port the PS2 version to the Wii, call it Tri, and sell millions for doing virtually nothing?

Take a look at the PS2 and PSP versions of Monster Hunter and compare them to Tri. Can you see any differences or improvements? If you played any Monster Hunter game at all, you would know that it's a flawed game. It's NOT a high quality game. You don't get review scores in the 5-6 range for nothing. There are lots of issues that truly takes away from the gameplay. Have Capcom addressed any of the issues? Nope. They know that Monster Hunter sells, so they would just release the same thing over and over again.

So, if you are critcizing EA/Visceral for cutting corners and being lazy, then you should be doubly upset at Capcom...not praise them.

Sepewrath

Once I got my PS3 a couple years ago I haven't really touched my Wii since. It's not like I dislike the Wii or anything, but there are very very few games that come out on the Wii that I care about at all. Of course I'll buy the next Zelda, Metroid, and Mario Galaxy games, but other than that I honestly don't think I'll play the Wii very much.

It's just missing so much and I think IGN hit on those parts pretty well (although it may have been a bit harsh). It doesn't have HD graphics and thats what is keeping it from getting all the amazing multiplats that the 360 and PS3 get. The controls could probably be worked in for most games without an issue. Achievements/trophies might not seem like a selling point, but they are pretty fun to get. I know before the PS3 had trophies I thought "Pfft, who needs achievements!? I like just playing the game!" and then bam. The PS3 gets trophies and now I couldn't imagine playing games without them. So I understand you thinking they're stupid, but if the Wii suddenly implemented them in the next firmware update I'm pretty sure many people would find they would like the achievement system more than they thought they would.