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#51 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Zanoh"]

It's because alot of people are not into the obscure or niche market. These are the exact same people that didn't buy fire emblem.

locopatho
Meh, and then I hear the same old "Core wii games don't sell well" rubbish

5 year old PS2 games don't sell well :P

An OLD arcade game like House of the dead2&3 sold well
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#52 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Meh, and then I hear the same old "Core wii games don't sell well" rubbishLastRambo341
5 year old PS2 games don't sell well :P

An OLD arcade game like House of the dead2&3 sold well

Did it? That's prob cos the Wiimote is cool for lightgun games. I not too bothered getting PS2 games on Wii in any case, I'll get them on PS2 if I need em :)
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#53 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="locopatho"] 5 year old PS2 games don't sell well :Plocopatho
An OLD arcade game like House of the dead2&3 sold well

Did it? That's prob cos the Wiimote is cool for lightgun games. I not too bothered getting PS2 games on Wii in any case, I'll get them on PS2 if I need em :)

It really doesn't matter on which console you buy it in.
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#54 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] An OLD arcade game like House of the dead2&3 sold wellLastRambo341
Did it? That's prob cos the Wiimote is cool for lightgun games. I not too bothered getting PS2 games on Wii in any case, I'll get them on PS2 if I need em :)

It really doesn't matter on which console you buy it in.

Yeah not really. But I just mean, it's a PS2 game. It's not built to take advantage of the Wiimote or whatever. So I not too excited for it on Wii. If that makes sense?
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#55 roxlimn
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No. Muramasa doesn't take advantage of the Wii's motion technology, either.

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#56 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] An OLD arcade game like House of the dead2&3 sold wellLastRambo341
Did it? That's prob cos the Wiimote is cool for lightgun games. I not too bothered getting PS2 games on Wii in any case, I'll get them on PS2 if I need em :)

It really doesn't matter on which console you buy it in.

how do you figure? buying it for ps2 is supporting the PS2 version, not the wii version
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#57 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="AmateurCEO"]I have pretty much zero interest in anime or anime-themed things. So the cover says "not for me".IppoTenma
But Phoinex Wright is in your avatar.

PW isn't based on an anime.
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#58 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="IppoTenma"][QUOTE="AmateurCEO"]I have pretty much zero interest in anime or anime-themed things. So the cover says "not for me".BrunoBRS
But Phoinex Wright is in your avatar.

PW isn't based on an anime.

Plus its awesome.
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#59 locopatho
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No. Muramasa doesn't take advantage of the Wii's motion technology, either.

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I'd get that for PS2 if possible too :P
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#60 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Did it? That's prob cos the Wiimote is cool for lightgun games. I not too bothered getting PS2 games on Wii in any case, I'll get them on PS2 if I need em :)locopatho
It really doesn't matter on which console you buy it in.

Yeah not really. But I just mean, it's a PS2 game. It's not built to take advantage of the Wiimote or whatever. So I not too excited for it on Wii. If that makes sense?

Yea, but who cares, its some RPG
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#61 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="IppoTenma"]But Phoinex Wright is in your avatar. garrett_duffman
PW isn't based on an anime.

Plus its awesome.

and it isn't a port from a 5 year old PS2 game... it's a port from a 5 year old GBA game that became a DS game :lol:
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#62 roxlimn
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locopatho:

I wouldn't. The last Vanillaware game before Muramasa WAS on PS2: Odin Sphere, and that game chugged and chugged and chugged. Muramasa's smooth and sweet the entire way - a clear case of a developer going for a definite vision, and looking for the minimum hardware that will take it, instead of picking a platform and trying to showcase technology.

Don't you have a Wii? Who cares what platform it's on?

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#63 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] PW isn't based on an anime.

Plus its awesome.

and it isn't a port from a 5 year old PS2 game... it's a port from a 5 year old GBA game that became a DS game :lol:

plus its awesome! one thing i dont get is why doesnt the wii version have pointer controls? that would make everything easier
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#64 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] Plus its awesome.

and it isn't a port from a 5 year old PS2 game... it's a port from a 5 year old GBA game that became a DS game :lol:

plus its awesome! one thing i dont get is why doesnt the wii version have pointer controls? that would make everything easier

the wii version lacks a bunch of things... and those DS-ish moments where the screen divides and you click on something on the lower one are my only true complaint. plus it's awesome! :P
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#65 locopatho
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[QUOTE="roxlimn"] locopatho: I wouldn't. The last Vanillaware game before Muramasa WAS on PS2: Odin Sphere, and that game chugged and chugged and chugged. Muramasa's smooth and sweet the entire way - a clear case of a developer going for a definite vision, and looking for the minimum hardware that will take it, instead of picking a platform and trying to showcase technology. Don't you have a Wii? Who cares what platform it's on?

Ah yeah Odin Sphere is awesome :D I do have a Wii, and good games are always welcome, I just have mixed feelings for PS2 ports and games that don't bother with the Wii's strengths.
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#66 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] and it isn't a port from a 5 year old PS2 game... it's a port from a 5 year old GBA game that became a DS game :lol:

plus its awesome! one thing i dont get is why doesnt the wii version have pointer controls? that would make everything easier

the wii version lacks a bunch of things... and those DS-ish moments where the screen divides and you click on something on the lower one are my only true complaint. plus it's awesome! :P

yea... those are silly. plus it uses crosshairs instead of motion controls. but is IS awesome!
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#67 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] plus its awesome! one thing i dont get is why doesnt the wii version have pointer controls? that would make everything easier

the wii version lacks a bunch of things... and those DS-ish moments where the screen divides and you click on something on the lower one are my only true complaint. plus it's awesome! :P

yea... those are silly. plus it uses crosshairs instead of motion controls. but is IS awesome!

i wish i got into the series earlier, my first "gameplay contact" with it was with the miles edgeworth PC demo. then i decided that now that they're on wiiware, i'll finally get the chance to play them. and i love it :D plus it's awesome! ... what was this topic about again?
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#68 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] the wii version lacks a bunch of things... and those DS-ish moments where the screen divides and you click on something on the lower one are my only true complaint. plus it's awesome! :P

yea... those are silly. plus it uses crosshairs instead of motion controls. but is IS awesome!

i wish i got into the series earlier, my first "gameplay contact" with it was with the miles edgeworth PC demo. then i decided that now that they're on wiiware, i'll finally get the chance to play them. and i love it :D plus it's awesome! ... what was this topic about again?

We were talking about how awesome Pheonix wright is
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[QUOTE="roxlimn"] locopatho: I wouldn't. The last Vanillaware game before Muramasa WAS on PS2: Odin Sphere, and that game chugged and chugged and chugged. Muramasa's smooth and sweet the entire way - a clear case of a developer going for a definite vision, and looking for the minimum hardware that will take it, instead of picking a platform and trying to showcase technology. Don't you have a Wii? Who cares what platform it's on? locopatho
Ah yeah Odin Sphere is awesome :D I do have a Wii, and good games are always welcome, I just have mixed feelings for PS2 ports and games that don't bother with the Wii's strengths.

A good game is a good game anywhere, my friend. I don't need Megaman 10 to use all the buttons on a dual analog controller. I don't need Tekken to require me to use shoulder buttons. I don't need Braid to push the 360's processing power. What I need is a good game, and good games are good regardless of where they appear.

Why have mixed feelings? If it's a good game, buy it and enjoy. That is all there is to it.

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#70 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="roxlimn"] locopatho: I wouldn't. The last Vanillaware game before Muramasa WAS on PS2: Odin Sphere, and that game chugged and chugged and chugged. Muramasa's smooth and sweet the entire way - a clear case of a developer going for a definite vision, and looking for the minimum hardware that will take it, instead of picking a platform and trying to showcase technology. Don't you have a Wii? Who cares what platform it's on? roxlimn

Ah yeah Odin Sphere is awesome :D I do have a Wii, and good games are always welcome, I just have mixed feelings for PS2 ports and games that don't bother with the Wii's strengths.

A good game is a good game anywhere, my friend. I don't need Megaman 10 to use all the buttons on a dual analog controller. I don't need Tekken to require me to use shoulder buttons. I don't need Braid to push the 360's processing power. What I need is a good game, and good games are good regardless of where they appear.

Why have mixed feelings? If it's a good game, buy it and enjoy. That is all there is to it.

Exactly
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[QUOTE="AmateurCEO"]I have pretty much zero interest in anime or anime-themed things. So the cover says "not for me".IppoTenma
But Phoinex Wright is in your avatar.

I actually haven't played PW. I was just trying to find an avatar that suited my name.
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#72 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="IppoTenma"][QUOTE="AmateurCEO"]I have pretty much zero interest in anime or anime-themed things. So the cover says "not for me".AmateurCEO
But Phoinex Wright is in your avatar.

I actually haven't played PW. I was just trying to find an avatar that suited my name.

h-h-how... HOW DARE YOU! you should start playing phoenix wright NOW! it's a great game with intelligent dialogue, nice puzzles camouflaged as trigger events, and great sense of humor! plus, it's awesome! (you should trademark that garrett :P)
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#73 AmateurCEO
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h-h-how... HOW DARE YOU! you should start playing phoenix wright NOW! it's a great game with intelligent dialogue, nice puzzles camouflaged as trigger events, and great sense of humor! plus, it's awesome! (you should trademark that garrett :P)BrunoBRS
The concept of PW definitely sounds like it might be my kind of game, so maybe I will check out the WiiWare version.

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] h-h-how... HOW DARE YOU! you should start playing phoenix wright NOW! it's a great game with intelligent dialogue, nice puzzles camouflaged as trigger events, and great sense of humor! plus, it's awesome! (you should trademark that garrett :P)AmateurCEO

The concept of PW definitely sounds like it might be my kind of game, so maybe I will check out the WiiWare version.

i started on wiiware, and i have to say i regret not playing a game in the series earlier. it's on my top new franchises of the first decade.
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#75 Rod90
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]Probably because its a cliche JRPG and everyone knows that IGN is a bit... loose... with their reviewsLastRambo341
Reviews aside, this game looks good. And how come GS hasn't rated it yet?

Please... do you still believe that gamespot willl review more than 5 wii games a year?
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#76 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="AmateurCEO"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] h-h-how... HOW DARE YOU! you should start playing phoenix wright NOW! it's a great game with intelligent dialogue, nice puzzles camouflaged as trigger events, and great sense of humor! plus, it's awesome! (you should trademark that garrett :P)BrunoBRS

The concept of PW definitely sounds like it might be my kind of game, so maybe I will check out the WiiWare version.

i started on wiiware, and i have to say i regret not playing a game in the series earlier. it's on my top new franchises of the first decade.

Plus, the wiiware version is awesome!
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On Sakura Wars: I'm sorry, but once I realized I was over two hours into the game and had not yet experienced any actual gameplay (nothing but still-screens and text dialogue...), I put it away and vented my fury on Brawl for a while.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good RPG every now and then, but even FF8 never got this bad. I finally forced myself to play up to an actual battle, and it was actually relatively enjoyable (I found that it's more of a SRPG), but now I'm too afraid of another 2-hour dialogue session to turn it back on...!

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It's both an SRPG and a dating sim. Your team mates don't level up - they gain more abilities and more power depending on how close a relationship you have with them. Those dialogue parts are important! They'll inform you on which choices you need to pick in order to progress the way you want.

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[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

With TP however Jeff screwed it up. He tends to review games subjectively. Come on, Wii sports resort 5/5 on Giantbomb? lol, then you ask why I don't like this guy...

Fun level =/= quality level.

fend_oblivion

I don't know why he gave Wii Sports a 5/5 but TP deserved its score. It was a port of a Gamecube game. And plus, the game uses MIDI for audio, has no voice acting and low res textures (they could have made the game look much better.). It's only natural he would give that score. And I know most Zelda fans (me included) can forgive all that, but you can't deny the game's flaws.

Jeff Gerstmann, Alex Navarro, Brad Shoemaker and Greg Kasavin were some of my favorite reviewers on GS. I wish they hadn't left Gamespot.

I agree with Alex, Brad and Greg, but honestly, i never liked that much Jeff's reviews, and no, is not only about TP, even now in Giantbomb his reviews are the ones that i enjoy less.

Anyway, i never heard about this game, and i can guess that it will be extremely difficult to find outside US, so i guess that your gonna have to get it Online TC.

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#80 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="roxlimn"] locopatho: I wouldn't. The last Vanillaware game before Muramasa WAS on PS2: Odin Sphere, and that game chugged and chugged and chugged. Muramasa's smooth and sweet the entire way - a clear case of a developer going for a definite vision, and looking for the minimum hardware that will take it, instead of picking a platform and trying to showcase technology. Don't you have a Wii? Who cares what platform it's on? roxlimn

Ah yeah Odin Sphere is awesome :D I do have a Wii, and good games are always welcome, I just have mixed feelings for PS2 ports and games that don't bother with the Wii's strengths.

A good game is a good game anywhere, my friend. I don't need Megaman 10 to use all the buttons on a dual analog controller. I don't need Tekken to require me to use shoulder buttons. I don't need Braid to push the 360's processing power. What I need is a good game, and good games are good regardless of where they appear.

Why have mixed feelings? If it's a good game, buy it and enjoy. That is all there is to it.

No I agree with you for new games, but buying PS2 ports encourages devs to continue with that. "Why make a new real Resi game on Wii when I can port Resi 4?" "Why make a new game such as Valkyria Chronicles when I can port old PS2 games over?" Don't get me wrong, this game definately sounds good and I'm sure Wii folk will buy and enjoy it, and that's great. But I mean... I didn't buy a Wii for PS2 games, and I don't want to encourage devs to continue porting them over. I'd much prefer a ground up Wii game that plays to the Wii's strengths.
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#81 roxlimn
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locopatho:

Forgive my impertinence, but how exactly would you make a JRPG that's like that and won't scare away half the audience of a JRPG? These days, I hear crap like, "I want a game that plays to the Wii strengths," and then when Red Steel 2 comes out, those very same people turn around and DON'T buy it. That's crap, and I hope you are not like that.

In any case, you bought your Wii for games you already have, right? Because it doesn't make sense for anyone to buy a system based on software it doesn't have. Since you already have your raison d'etre for having a Wii, what does it matter than you also get a few games from other systems? I think it's a great thing. If they can port over the somewhat aging Civ IV Complete onto Wii, I'd be right glad, and I'd buy that.

Buy what you like, dude. The devs will take care of themselves. It's not like they'll make serious Wii games just because you won't buy this one. To this date, there has been ONE - count 'em ONE Wii title that got the AAA budget priority, and that is Monster Hunter Tri. I don't expect the winds to change anytime soon.

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#82 psyko0815
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I love the Wii, love RPGs, and even love JRPGs, but this game does not appeal to me even in the slightest.

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i got the game but if my Wii is any indication it is a dual layered disk so I can't play it.

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It's both an SRPG and a dating sim. Your team mates don't level up - they gain more abilities and more power depending on how close a relationship you have with them. Those dialogue parts are important! They'll inform you on which choices you need to pick in order to progress the way you want.

roxlimn

Agreed. Fair enough. XD

I still wish there were some way they could... I don't know... Jazz it up? It just feels so stale to me. I could certainly see its appeal to some (and there was a point in my life where I would have eaten up a game like this), but I guess I'm looking for more action these days.

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#85 Pdiddy105
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not really my type of game.

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#86 locopatho
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Forgive my impertinence, but how exactly would you make a JRPG that's like that and won't scare away half the audience of a JRPG? These days, I hear crap like, "I want a game that plays to the Wii strengths," and then when Red Steel 2 comes out, those very same people turn around and DON'T buy it. That's crap, and I hope you are not like that.

In any case, you bought your Wii for games you already have, right? Because it doesn't make sense for anyone to buy a system based on software it doesn't have. Since you already have your raison d'etre for having a Wii, what does it matter than you also get a few games from other systems? I think it's a great thing. If they can port over the somewhat aging Civ IV Complete onto Wii, I'd be right glad, and I'd buy that.

Buy what you like, dude. The devs will take care of themselves. It's not like they'll make serious Wii games just because you won't buy this one. To this date, there has been ONE - count 'em ONE Wii title that got the AAA budget priority, and that is Monster Hunter Tri. I don't expect the winds to change anytime soon.

roxlimn

O no Red Steel 2 is exactly the kind of game I want more of :D I haven't got it yet cos I still need to get Motion+ but it's definately the kind of thing I want.

I got the Wii for Gamecube backwards compatability and Wii Sports to be honest, along with an eye for the next round of Mario, Metroid and Zelda.

But now I have the Wii, I want more games that take advantage of it's uniqueness. If it's just a system for PS2 ports that's crap, and even though one guy prob won't make a difference, I couldn't honestly complain about PS2 ports if I had a shelf of them :P

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#87 roxlimn
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Not buying PS2 ports on the Wii won't encourage developers to make better games. In fact, the very reason we have PS2 ports is because they won't put funding behind Wii efforts. If you don't buy the PS2 ports, they'll just stop making games altogether. Third parties have always had it in for Nintendo systems, and the Wii is no different.
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#88 locopatho
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Not buying PS2 ports on the Wii won't encourage developers to make better games. In fact, the very reason we have PS2 ports is because they won't put funding behind Wii efforts. If you don't buy the PS2 ports, they'll just stop making games altogether. Third parties have always had it in for Nintendo systems, and the Wii is no different.roxlimn
Nah there's a small handful of devs who try. Capcom are very good at making Wii games. Well better than then the usual 3rd party junk at least, if not as good as their 360/PS3 games. Again, I know I'm one person and won't make a difference. But just for myself, I don't see PS2 ports as something worth supporting. Also, I dunno bout 3rd parties not liking Nintendo, look at the DS :)
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#89 roxlimn
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They only support that thing because they have no choice. At its inception, all the third parties were crowing about the demise of Nintendo's handheld division as well. There are no third parties that have put funding on Wii games on a level with even an A-priority project on the HD consoles, with the sole exception of Monster Hunter Tri. That's ONE AAA-funded game in 4 years, and only because it was moved over from the PS3. There are some devs that like developing for the Wii, but they're not getting the money they need to make more content and more polish. That's not going to change just because you don't buy a PS2 port. If you don't have a PS2, might as well get it. Screw the third parties.
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#90 locopatho
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I do have a PS2 though :P And I don't see how giving them money for the very little effort of porting old games is "screwing them", I'd rather "screw them" by not buying them at all ;) And the Wii will prob never get blockbusters, but at least it might stop getting ports...
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#91 roxlimn
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If it stops getting ports, it stops getting anything. That's not a better situation.
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#92 locopatho
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That's not true. There's original games being made. And if no one buys the ports, who knows, maybe it'll force them to make actual Wii games :D
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#93 roxlimn
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Not likely. The funding for a porting effort constitutes a fraction of the money for even a low-budget game. If the port doesn't get made, the money simply goes to other projects; and given the pie-sharing today, it's likely not going to go to Wii efforts. There are original games being made, but the money and market for that sort of thing is entirely separate.
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#94 almossbb
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its just another JRPG, gamespot wont bother themselves to play and review it. there are much better and well known games coming out anyway.

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#95 SteveTabernacle
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its just another JRPG, gamespot wont bother themselves to play and review it. there are much better and well known games coming out anyway.

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Yeah, it's an obscure older game, and with the fact that GS is STILL running on what is basically a skeleton crew, if it gets reviewed at all, it won't be any time soon.