I can't understand why Metroid Prime 3 wasn't better recieved...

So, admittedly I was exhausted with the Prime series after the GC titles. However, because it was on sale recently, I picked up MP3 Corruption. I'm about 2 and a half hours into the game already and I'm blown away. While the visuals are an enormous jump from the previous instalments and the environments, enemies and weapons look fantastic, the control is absolutely amazing and makes the whole game. I haven't enjoyed a single player campain that much since 007 Goldeneye. I had heard some bad things about Red Steel and didn't see too much serious excitement or hype for MP3 so I've strayed away from the first person titles on Wii. I regret waiting so long.

Anyway, my question is, while it did have it's faults(no wifi, no multiplayer), I can't understand why the title released with such lukewarm reception, advertisement and hype? And reading up about it, it was a pretty similar experience for Japan, as well. I don't get it.

MP are niche titles. There aren't a whole lot of people out there that can really get into a First Person Adventure game. Most of my friends that love FPS really hate the Prime series. So I think that's a big part of it.

The game did recieve a bit of hype/advertisment from Nintendo. Remember the MP:3 channel? But other than that, it was part of the "Big Three" along with Mario and Smash Brothers. I'd say that's a fair amout of hype.

And I don't think any of the Prime games did well in Japan so don't look that way for answers. I might be wrong on that though.

I agree completely that its a great game and the controls were done wonderfully. I really need to play it again.

I thought the controls were horrible. But then again I didnt like the game at allcolts99

The game does present a bit of a challenging learning curve, but when I finally mastered the controls it was incredibly natural.

Give it another shot, why don't you?...or not.

I was nowhere near a pencil shaving of interest in this game after I played Hunters and Echoes. Ickair_wolf_cubed

Was it the lack of multiplayer? or were you just burned out?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]I was nowhere near a pencil shaving of interest in this game after I played Hunters and Echoes. IckHells_Hammer

Was it the lack of multiplayer? or were you just burned out?

And the DS version, No touch the screen to shoot? Ugh

Something about the Metroid universe just falls on the opposite end of my tastes

I tried to like them. I tried REALLY hard but just couldnt bare it. I wound up selling both

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[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]I was nowhere near a pencil shaving of interest in this game after I played Hunters and Echoes. Ickair_wolf_cubed

Was it the lack of multiplayer? or were you just burned out?

And the DS version, No touch the screen to shoot? Ugh

Something about the Metroid universe just falls on the opposite end of my tastes

I tried to like them. I tried REALLY hard but just couldnt bare it. I wound up selling both

What the hell are you on about? Hunters uses the touch-screen to aim, L/R is shoot.

Anyway, Just looking at Prime 3, I seem to like it has the best Wii game thus far, but yet again, I haven't played it, coz I have no Wii.

What the hell are you on about? Hunters uses the touch-screen to aim, L/R is shoot.GANGSTASAN

It still puzzles me as well. I know of maybe one other person who owns it, and I remember them saying it was a bit difficult and he didn't have much time to dedicate to it. This guy from my understanding recently started getting into video games--obviously he's the perfect case of a casual gamer. I told him--'Believe it or not, MP3 is the easiest and shortest of all of the previous Metroid games.'

I think that's the problem. The core market for the Wii is very small, leaving games like MP3 to casuals who are intimidated by such games. I know there are some core games on the Wii that are an exception and have done well...but Mario and Zelda are just as popular franchises.

I really enjoyed MP3 I think it's best game on the Wii in terms of gameplay and graphics! I don't know why people keep saying Galaxy looks the best. Heck MP3 looks better than what I'm seeing of the Conduit!

It still puzzles me as well. I know of maybe one other person who owns it, and I remember them saying it was a bit difficult and he didn't have much time to dedicate to it. This guy from my understanding recently started getting into video games--obviously he's the perfect case of a casual gamer. I told him--'Believe it or not, MP3 is the easiest and shortest of all of the previous Metroid games.'

I think that's the problem. The core market for the Wii is very small, leaving games like MP3 to casuals who are intimidated by such games. I know there are some core games on the Wii that are an exception and have done well...but Mario and Zelda are just as popular franchises.

I really enjoyed MP3 I think it's best game on the Wii in terms of gameplay and graphics! I don't know why people keep saying Galaxy looks the best. Heck MP3 looks better than what I'm seeing of the Conduit!

Tri-Enforcer

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It still puzzles me as well. I know of maybe one other person who owns it, and I remember them saying it was a bit difficult and he didn't have much time to dedicate to it. This guy from my understanding recently started getting into video games--obviously he's the perfect case of a casual gamer. I told him--'Believe it or not, MP3 is the easiest and shortest of all of the previous Metroid games.'

I think that's the problem. The core market for the Wii is very small, leaving games like MP3 to casuals who are intimidated by such games. I know there are some core games on the Wii that are an exception and have done well...but Mario and Zelda are just as popular franchises.

I really enjoyed MP3 I think it's best game on the Wii in terms of gameplay and graphics! I don't know why people keep saying Galaxy looks the best. Heck MP3 looks better than what I'm seeing of the Conduit!

air_wolf_cubed

What are you talking about?

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="Tri-Enforcer"]

It still puzzles me as well. I know of maybe one other person who owns it, and I remember them saying it was a bit difficult and he didn't have much time to dedicate to it. This guy from my understanding recently started getting into video games--obviously he's the perfect case of a casual gamer. I told him--'Believe it or not, MP3 is the easiest and shortest of all of the previous Metroid games.'

I think that's the problem. The core market for the Wii is very small, leaving games like MP3 to casuals who are intimidated by such games. I know there are some core games on the Wii that are an exception and have done well...but Mario and Zelda are just as popular franchises.

I really enjoyed MP3 I think it's best game on the Wii in terms of gameplay and graphics! I don't know why people keep saying Galaxy looks the best. Heck MP3 looks better than what I'm seeing of the Conduit!

Tri-Enforcer

What are you talking about?

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[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]I was nowhere near a pencil shaving of interest in this game after I played Hunters and Echoes. Ickair_wolf_cubed

Was it the lack of multiplayer? or were you just burned out?

And the DS version, No touch the screen to shoot? Ugh

Something about the Metroid universe just falls on the opposite end of my tastes

I tried to like them. I tried REALLY hard but just couldnt bare it. I wound up selling both

I guess it's just a matter of taste and what you're used to but I thought the Wiimote was a vast improvement and much more precise, over the GameCube controller.

Using the A button is a little weird, sure but jumping with A would be pretty weird as well. Also, there's no R button on the controllers used for MP3. I assume you meant B?

Also, as someone already pointed out, the touch screen is the only way to play Hunters. Stylus control, coupled with using the L/R to shoot made for some awfully uncomfortable control.

In Japan, this is a huge deal:

Simulation sickness

Simulation sickness, or simulator sickness, is a condition where a person exhibits symptoms similar to motion sickness caused by playing computer/simulation/video games.[1]

The most common theory for the cause of simulation sickness is that the illusion of motion created by the virtual world, combined with the absence of motion detected by the inner ear, causes the area postrema in the brain to infer that one is hallucinating and further conclude that the hallucination is due to poison ingestion. The brain responds by inducing nausea and mass vomiting, to clear the supposed toxin.[7] According to this theory, simulation sickness is just another form of motion sickness.

The symptoms are often described as quite similar to that of motion sickness. Some can range from headache, drowsiness, nausea, dizziness, vomiting and sweating. A research done at the University of Minnesota had students play Halo for less than an hour, and found that up to 50 percent felt sick afterwards.[10]

In a study conducted by U.S. Army Research Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences in a report published May 1995 titled "Technical Report 1027 - Simulator Sickness in Virtual Environments", out of 742 pilot exposures from 11 military flight simulators, "approximately half of the pilots (334) reported post-effects of some kind: 250 (34%) reported that symptoms dissipated in less than 1 hour, 44 (6%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 4 hours, and 28 (4%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 6 hours. There were also 4 (1%) reported cases of spontaneously occurring flashbacks".[11][12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness

It happens to me with Corruption and it's terrible, which is a shame, because it's a brilliant game with flawless controls.

Not saying you are, but have you ever heard of 'errors', now stop destroying what is coming to be an interesting topic.

Tri-Enforcer

Using the A button is a little weird, sure but jumping with A would be pretty weird as well. Also, there's no R button on the controllers used for MP3. I assume you meant B?Hells_Hammer

I think it's a geographical and cultural issue with some people and Metroid fans themselves(like fans of any series will argue about stuff like this for ever), but for me MP£ is the best MP AND the best game on the Wii by a distance. The only flaw I can find is the woeful voice acting and I can't, for thelife of me , see how they could have got the controls more right(it's the scheme that The Conduit are sensibly following as far as I can tell and should be the blueprint for any FPS Wii games atm).

Yeah, I had problems with the mapping of controls on Hunters and Echoes but the games were worth getting into and past the initial difficulties for me and give you so much more than a run of the mill shooter. Metroid games are the ONLY ones ever to implement retreading(with new powers to investigate them)areas without making it feel a con and have always bee so well designed level by level and Corruption is the zenith of this series and rightfully will be the last Prime, but not Metroid, game.

Will also be interesting to see how the guys who left the team lately get on with their projects as, for me,part of Metroids problem is the lack of anything comparable which does leave it in a niche(is it FPS is it adventure?)where reviewers and gamers alike can find it hard to get a handle on where the series fits in the games universe.

Whatever, MP3 is a great game and something Wii owners should be able to be proud of and even if you've palled at difficult/baffling controls in the past you should really give it a shot now it's cheap as it's sooo intuitive to control it'll open many eyes.

I think it's a geographical and cultural issue with some people and Metroid fans themselves(like fans of any series will argue about stuff like this for ever), but for me MP£ is the best MP AND the best game on the Wii by a distance. The only flaw I can find is the woeful voice acting and I can't, for thelife of me , see how they could have got the controls more right(it's the scheme that The Conduit are sensibly following as far as I can tell and should be the blueprint for any FPS Wii games atm).

Will also be interesting to see how the guys who left the team lately get on with their projects as, for me,part of Metroids problem is the lack of anything comparable which does leave it in a niche(is it FPS is it adventure?)where reviewers and gamers alike can find it hard to get a handle on where the series fits in the games universe.

Whatever, MP3 is a great game and something Wii owners should be able to be proud of and even if you've palled at difficult/baffling controls in the past you should really give it a shot now it's cheap as it's sooo intuitive to control it'll open many eyes.

mastiffchild

I just think of the Metroid Prime series as an adventure game. FP is merely a perspective. I think people who tried the Metroid Prime series, thinking of it as shooter--due to it's perspective--were probably let down that it wasn't. They couldn't grasp the concept they had to explore and think in between shooting.

If people do no like the controls of MP3 or Medal of Honors Heroes 2, then you will never like a FPS on the Wii. So don't even bother with the Conduit as well, if you didn't like way those games control. The Wii control scheme in those games are the defnitive way to play FPS games. I was never really a fan of FP games as I always had hard time aiming with with analog control sticks,but I don't have that problem in MP3 or MoH Heroes 2.

I was blown away to begin with too.

Then I started to see how uninspired it was. :(

I thought the controls were horrible. But then again I didnt like the game at allcolts99

what the heck the controls are fine! mp3 was an amazing game

And did you forget that the gamecube controller had/has an ANALOG r-button, making pressing it to shoot kind of like squeezing a sponge? What are you thinking? How could that possibly be a good idea?klarfis

You use the C-stick to move the camera and you use the A button to shoot. You use both the c-stick and A button with your thumb where as you use the R button with your index finger. If R button was to shoot, you can move both the camera and shoot at the same time. This is why I thought Geist was so much better than MP2

The game is a first person shooter with nothing to shoot at.

The genre has moved too far forward. Retro keeping the game "retro" just took out any possible greatness it could have had.

There's a reason why Nintendo babysat Retro when they were working on this. They just wanted the series over. Metroid Prime 3 isn't the final hurrah, it's the final gasp.

Now the franchise can move in a new direction

[QUOTE="klarfis"]And did you forget that the gamecube controller had/has an ANALOG r-button, making pressing it to shoot kind of like squeezing a sponge? What are you thinking? How could that possibly be a good idea?air_wolf_cubed

You use the C-stick to move the camera and you use the A button to shoot. You use both the c-stick and A button with your thumb where as you use the R button with your index finger. If R button was to shoot, you can move both the camera and shoot at the same time. This is why I thought Geist was so much better than MP2

To the best of my knowledge, the c-stick was always used for weapon switching and never for controlling the camera. I don't know where you got that idea. The "camera" was controlled by the left analog stick while depressing the R-button, so there was no conflict with shooting. In fact, in the instruction manual, this motion is described as "aim." And Geist was not a good game, partially b/c of its crappy firing button, I think.

The only complaint I probably had with it was that the controls could have been more sensitive, thats about it. Its one of my favourite Wii games and under rated me thinks.

MP1 was still better though, MP2 was terrible as was MP: Hunters. Multiplayer is something I DO NOT want in my Metroid games.

Also, as someone already pointed out, the touch screen is the only way to play Hunters. Stylus control, coupled with using the L/R to shoot made for some awfully uncomfortable control.

Hells_Hammer

The game is a first person shooter with nothing to shoot at.

The genre has moved too far forward. Retro keeping the game "retro" just took out any possible greatness it could have had.

There's a reason why Nintendo babysat Retro when they were working on this. They just wanted the series over. Metroid Prime 3 isn't the final hurrah, it's the final gasp.

Now the franchise can move in a new direction

Jaysonguy

I don't quite understand where you're coming from. MP3 has plenty of enemies and multiple boss battles. The game even incorporates shooting into it's puzzles. Saying Metroid has nothing to shoot at is just plain inaccurate.

Even if they wanted the series over, more likely, Nintendo wanted to make sure it was good. Keeping an eye on their 2nd party titles, as to avoid repeating disastrous and costly mistakes like this...

Also, I've heard most people say MP2 was the worst in the series and I agree. MP3 is vastly improved over MP2 in most opinions. How is a sequel with considerably better control and considerably better graphics not the 'last hurrah'?

""retro" just took out any possible greatness it could have had." And how could it have been improved?

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Also, as someone already pointed out, the touch screen is the only way to play Hunters. Stylus control, coupled with using the L/R to shoot made for some awfully uncomfortable control.

ZumaJones07

True.

I assume you mean the thumb pad thing on a strap included with the original DS? I don't own one, but if it's Worth owning, I may pick one up. Would you recommend it? Does it really make a difference in controls? ?A friend of mine told me Mario 64DS is much better with one of those things, as well.

When I first started playing Metroid Prime I felt the same as air wolf with the controls being awful funky. But after a little bit of time it felt more natural than using the typical FPS controls with having R as shoot. But thats just my opinion of course. But either way the control scheme for the gamecube games shouldn't have really affected the reception that MP 3 got.

And whoever mention motion sickness, I've encountered that with this game too. It just gives me horrible headaches. But I kept playing anyway. And it's wierd because this is really the only game where it happens to me.

The game is a first person shooter with nothing to shoot at.

The genre has moved too far forward. Retro keeping the game "retro" just took out any possible greatness it could have had.

There's a reason why Nintendo babysat Retro when they were working on this. They just wanted the series over. Metroid Prime 3 isn't the final hurrah, it's the final gasp.

Now the franchise can move in a new direction

Jaysonguy

2.Dude, the series is set in space. So of course it has a retro feel to it. Also, how does it take out any possible greatness?

3.You take sales very seriously don't you. Do you honestly take sales in to concideration when buying?

4.Here's hoping for a 2-d metroid.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="Hells_Hammer"]

Also, as someone already pointed out, the touch screen is the only way to play Hunters. Stylus control, coupled with using the L/R to shoot made for some awfully uncomfortable control.

Hells_Hammer

True.

I assume you mean the thumb pad thing on a strap included with the original DS? I don't own one, but if it's Worth owning, I may pick one up. Would you recommend it? Does it really make a difference in controls? ?A friend of mine told me Mario 64DS is much better with one of those things, as well.

Well, the final boss could have been better