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well this is debatable but lemme give you the perspective of a hardware junkie and not some nnob who doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
IF the Wii had a harddrive, files COULD be installed on Hardrive and this WOULD reduced load times. Because you have less load time and more ram free because some files are stored and cached on the hardrive, you can essentially put more effects, textures objects etc on the screen..
So Indirectly, YES, a hard drive WOULD allow better graphics.
Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
[QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
DopeyDavoid
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesShorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
DopeyDavoid
agreed.
[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.[QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
Cowmanik
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.I think he is saying that devs can push games harder without comprimising load times as much with a harddrive in mind.
Also I have a question what if in the future they did have a HDD would it be faster to access Wii Channels becuase they are still kinda slow? Or is it accessing online server and that is why it takes a little longer.
[QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
Cowmanik
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesYou assume HDD's are as fast as ram. If they were then yes this would work, however this is not the case. Yes, the small 16mB of "cache" on the hdd you mentioned would assist, but compared to the total ram, it is very insignificant.
I don't know if you ever run out of ram on your pc, but let me tell you, when my pc does and starts streaming from the hdd in battlefield 2, it's anything but an improvement.
This is true.You assume HDD's are as fast as ram. If they were then yes this would work, however this is not the case. Yes, the small 16mB of "cache" on the hdd you mentioned would assist, but compared to the total ram, it is very insignificant.
If don't know if you ever run out of ram on your pc, but let me tell you, when my pc does and starts streaming from the hdd in battlefield 2, it's anything but an improvement.
DopeyDavoid
Well.....in an inderect way
The drive could hold graphics,if a game were to come on two discks,soa huge game(like zelda '08) would probably look better with a hardrive.
Well.....in an inderect way
The drive could hold graphics,if a game were to come on two discks,soa huge game(like zelda '08) would probably look better with a hardrive.
blingchu55
How?
[QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
Cyber-
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.I think he is saying that devs can push games harder without comprimising load times as much with a harddrive in mind.
Also I have a question what if in the future they did have a HDD would it be faster to access Wii Channels becuase they are still kinda slow? Or is it accessing online server and that is why it takes a little longer.
Thks , atleast someone hear can read.[QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
DopeyDavoid
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesYou assume HDD's are as fast as ram. If they were then yes this would work, however this is not the case. Yes, the small 16mB of "cache" on the hdd you mentioned would assist, but compared to the total ram, it is very insignificant.
I don't know if you ever run out of ram on your pc, but let me tell you, when my pc does and starts streaming from the hdd in battlefield 2, it's anything but an improvement.
16 MB's of cache may seem like a small amount but given that the wii's total amount of system memory is little over 100 MB's I know it'll help out ALOT! Especially since it free's up processing resourcesAnd FYI, unless it s movie or some type of video, a computer can't stream crap from a Hardrive, so death to you fallical statements. I have 2 gigz of OCZ DDR2 1150, which can handle anything any game oor program can throw at it,
[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.I think he is saying that devs can push games harder without comprimising load times as much with a harddrive in mind.
Also I have a question what if in the future they did have a HDD would it be faster to access Wii Channels becuase they are still kinda slow? Or is it accessing online server and that is why it takes a little longer.
Thks , atleast someone hear can read.[QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
DopeyDavoid
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesYou assume HDD's are as fast as ram. If they were then yes this would work, however this is not the case. Yes, the small 16mB of "cache" on the hdd you mentioned would assist, but compared to the total ram, it is very insignificant.
I don't know if you ever run out of ram on your pc, but let me tell you, when my pc does and starts streaming from the hdd in battlefield 2, it's anything but an improvement.
16 MB's of cache may seem like a small amount but given that the wii's total amount of system memory is little over 100 MB's I know it'll help out ALOT! Especially since it free's up processing resourcesAnd FYI, unless it s movie or some type of video, a computer can't stream crap from a Hardrive, so death to you fallical statements. I have 2 gigz of OCZ DDR2 1150, which can handle anything any game oor program can throw at it,
I know it can't stream crap from the hdd and that's why it fails so badly.
It doesn't matter what your computer can do, I'm saying that when mine runs out of ram whilst loading parts of the battlefield 2 maps on the go, the computer has to wait for the ram to cycle more data. Thus, since the game decides to continue to play (poorly) whilst loading, it is in effect, streaming from the hdd.
But yeah, the 16MB compared to the 100MB is a lot and I can see how that would help with being able to have many more different textures on the screen at once, but you might as well just throw in extra ram instead of a hdd.
Then again, in response to the tc, you are correct (in a limited way) and i was wrong.
[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesYou are correct that the harddrive would allow better speed and could allow better performance, but only on the things that have to wait on loading the cd now. And as I said earlier, the cd's that the games come on only hold a certain amount of data.
[QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
DopeyDavoid
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.I think he is saying that devs can push games harder without comprimising load times as much with a harddrive in mind.
Also I have a question what if in the future they did have a HDD would it be faster to access Wii Channels becuase they are still kinda slow? Or is it accessing online server and that is why it takes a little longer.
Thks , atleast someone hear can read.[QUOTE="Cowmanik"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
DopeyDavoid
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesA hard drive would NOT improve graphics because that information would still need to be processed in the RAM, CPU, and GPU anyway. We aren't talking about load times we are talking about graphics and there is no way a hard drive could improve graphics because hard drives need to send information through the RAM and GPU for it to be displayed.[QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"][QUOTE="BET8390"][QUOTE="DopeyDavoid"]read my post, as dastardly as it sounds, it is true.Uhhhh yeah... More storage does not mean improved graphics....
So thats a big NO.
BET8390
Shorter loading times does not mean more ram is available. Hard drive cache'ing just means your accessing the data from the harddrive instead of the disc (ie faster).
I don't know where you got this idea from, but i know that if you wrote this on a tech forum your would be ripped. to. pieces.
what? I write on the Hardware Forum all the time, and it is I that does all the ripping. when things are cached they are freed from ram. Alot of games have fairly short load times (like SMG) BUT even though SMG has the best graphics on the wii doesn't mean it can't be pushed evene further, usually pushing hardware to its limits slows down framerates or increases load time, having a harddrive can cut those load times away, easing the dev's worries on troublesome load times, Thats why High RPM, and high cach hardrives like these outsell bigger and higher capacity hardrivesYou assume HDD's are as fast as ram. If they were then yes this would work, however this is not the case. Yes, the small 16mB of "cache" on the hdd you mentioned would assist, but compared to the total ram, it is very insignificant.
I don't know if you ever run out of ram on your pc, but let me tell you, when my pc does and starts streaming from the hdd in battlefield 2, it's anything but an improvement.
16 MB's of cache may seem like a small amount but given that the wii's total amount of system memory is little over 100 MB's I know it'll help out ALOT! Especially since it free's up processing resourcesAnd FYI, unless it s movie or some type of video, a computer can't stream crap from a Hardrive, so death to you fallical statements. I have 2 gigz of OCZ DDR2 1150, which can handle anything any game oor program can throw at it,
I know it can't stream crap from the hdd and that's why it fails so badly.
It doesn't matter what your computer can do, I'm saying that when mine runs out of ram whilst loading parts of the battlefield 2 maps on the go, the computer has to wait for the ram to cycle more data. Thus, since the game decides to continue to play (poorly) whilst loading, it is in effect, streaming from the hdd.
But yeah, the 16MB compared to the 100MB is a lot and I can see how that would help with being able to have many more different textures on the screen at once, but you might as well just throw in extra ram instead of a hdd.
Then again, in response to the tc, you are correct (in a limited way) and i was wrong.
:lol: 18 quotes later it is over :P Anyways, as I said in my first post, IT CAN INDIRECTLY help improve the graphics.I think the person who said "only the hardcore would get a harddrive t play a game that required one" made a really good point too, props to you.
Also I have a question what if in the future they did have a HDD would it be faster to access Wii Channels becuase they are still kinda slow? Or is it accessing online server and that is why it takes a little longer.
Cyber-
The delay for the wii channels is because during the black screens it's connecting to the internet.
If you delete you internet setting and disable the router the channels will load a LOT faster.
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