IGN Modern Warfare Reflex Review Up! Also Nintendo UK Magazine

To all the people who are saying I told you so or believe anything these game sites tell you--you know nothing! Go play the game for yourself and put their word to the test.

Bozon gripesabout framerate issues. I've experienced none! Also there are other members of these very forums who say the same thing! I have experienced no lag online or any bugs,but thoseissues areabundant in WaW and The Conduit--yet he puts the gameplay of those games ahead of Reflex?

Right now The Conduit and Reflex are the best FPS on the Wii. However I would give a slight edge to Reflex--I have both games and I can thoroughly assess without a bias. The Conduit has better graphics and online voice chat. However those are the only factors that The Conduit have over Reflex.

Reflex has better and bigger level design compared to the compacted and uninspired Conduit levels. The online multiplayer runs waaaaaay smoother than the Conduit's, and I've experienced hardly any hacks, glitches, and lag--which The Conduit, although still reliable, has more more of. I mean opponents who I shoot at do not disapper through walls, blink or vanish from the screen as I attack them in close combat. Those issues are in just about every Conduit online match I've played and this guy still puts The Conduit gameplay above Reflexes. People I am telling you unless you have played this game you need to take this review with a grain of salt. We're talking about a guy who can't wait to get back to MW2 and was annoyed that his MW2 time was interrupted for a review of a two year port. Yep...his mind was already in an annoyed place! Also, IGN hyped The Conduit as this year's definitive first person shooter and I mean they hyped it big time. Suddenly reflex is announced months after The Conduit and little is known about it...and it quitely took away way the strong points about the The Conduit save for the graphics and Wii Speak. Don't get me wrong I really like The Conduit and I hyped the crap out of that game too, so I have no problem accepting Reflex as the better game.

Tri-Enforcer

very good points.

i think everyone here could use some actual hands on with the game.

As usually I don't agree with IGN. This time though, it's the other way around. Normally I think they overrate every game. This is the first time in like two years that I think that the score should be higher.

Then again, I pretty much only play online, so I don't know that much about the campaign.

As usually I don't agree with IGN. This time though, it's the other way around. Normally I think they overrate every game. This is the first time in like two years that I think that the score should be higher.

Then again, I pretty much only play online, so I don't know that much about the campaign.

OniStrat

well its mostly built around online, i'd give the game a 9

best online Wii game IMO

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

jdmpastor

This. This is the most important message to most of the people posting in this thread. I'm playing the game, and I'm telling you that Bozon is about as wrong about this game as GS was about Mario [Kart] 64.

Stop whining about games you haven't played.

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

jdmpastor

Ditto. People will say "but Bozon played it and said its broken!" despite the plethora of users who say the opposite

I've already played it 10 hours in a day and a half and i've had no issues whatsoever

[QUOTE="jdmpastor"]

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

goblaa

This. This is the most important message to most of the people posting in this thread. I'm playing the game, and I'm telling you that Bozon is about as wrong about this game as GS was about Mario 64.

Stop whining about games you haven't played.

Mario 64? That got a 9.4. Unless you're talking about the VC version.

And are you talking about me for whining? Sorry dude, but I played Modern Warfare to death, going through a few prestiges clocking in over 500 hours for both World at War and Modern Warfare. So I DID PLAY IT.

And saying the Wii version has Wii-controls doesn't count. It doesn't mean it's a different game...nor is it any better.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="jdmpastor"]

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

ASK_Story

This. This is the most important message to most of the people posting in this thread. I'm playing the game, and I'm telling you that Bozon is about as wrong about this game as GS was about Mario 64.

Stop whining about games you haven't played.

Mario 64? That got a 9.4. Unless you're talking about the VC version.

And are you talking about me for whining? Sorry dude, but I played Modern Warfare to death, going through a few prestiges clocking in over 500 hours for both World at War and Modern Warfare. So I DID PLAY IT.

And saying the Wii version has Wii-controls doesn't count. It doesn't mean it's a different game...nor is it any better.

Whoops, I meant Mario KART 64...thanks. :oops:

And I wasn't talking to you directly, just anyone who is saying ths game has framerate/control/bug issues when they haven't played it just because one very off base review says it does.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="jdmpastor"]

I'm playing the game. Having fun. I've had no framerate issues or control issues. Stop whining about games you haven't played.

ASK_Story

This. This is the most important message to most of the people posting in this thread. I'm playing the game, and I'm telling you that Bozon is about as wrong about this game as GS was about Mario 64.

Stop whining about games you haven't played.

Mario 64? That got a 9.4. Unless you're talking about the VC version.

And are you talking about me for whining? Sorry dude, but I played Modern Warfare to death, going through a few prestiges clocking in over 500 hours for both World at War and Modern Warfare. So I DID PLAY IT.

And saying the Wii version has Wii-controls doesn't count. It doesn't mean it's a different game...nor is it any better.

I hate using the DualShock for FPS so to me, its better with precise Wiimote aiming as i've had none of the control issues Bozon complains about

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

This. This is the most important message to most of the people posting in this thread. I'm playing the game, and I'm telling you that Bozon is about as wrong about this game as GS was about Mario 64.

Stop whining about games you haven't played.

goblaa

Mario 64? That got a 9.4. Unless you're talking about the VC version.

And are you talking about me for whining? Sorry dude, but I played Modern Warfare to death, going through a few prestiges clocking in over 500 hours for both World at War and Modern Warfare. So I DID PLAY IT.

And saying the Wii version has Wii-controls doesn't count. It doesn't mean it's a different game...nor is it any better.

Whoops, I meant Mario KART 64...thanks. :oops:

And I wasn't talking to you directly, just anyone who is saying ths game has framerate/control/bug issues when they haven't played it just because one very off base review says it does.

Notice no single one of them has reference Official Nintendo UK gave it 80 out of 100

i think the game looks bad and agree with the ign review

your just caught up in the hype of a new game aswell as a wii only user thats the only way i can see you defending this game so much

i think the game looks bad and agree with the ign review

your just caught up in the hype of a new game aswell as a wii only user thats the only way i can see you defending this game so much

carter15kd5

Another person who has not played the game agreeing with the review.

Yet, the people saying the review is bogus are the only one who HAVE PLAYED THEGAME!!!

I said before that a consistent framerate is all that really matters in a shooter in terms of visuals, as long as the graphics are at least passable. If we can take Bozon at his word..... then that's this game's biggest problem.

[QUOTE="Bozon"]The framerate in Reflex is extremely inconsistent, and it impacts gameplay in a big way. The game constantly dips below the 30 frames per second mark, and every time it does the cursor goes right along with it. In fact, even when running with little action on the screen the cursor doesn't have the pixel-by-pixel precision that you'll find in nearly every other pointer-based game out there.JordanElek

Man I cannot stress how untrue this really is. I trust Boz but man...this is just giberish. Am I alone in this? Can anyone who owns the game confirm this?He must have reviewed a beta version or non-retail copy of the game. I'm uphauled at this :(

Oh, this is great. A Treyarch Dev commenting over on NeoGAF about the IGN review:

The comments in the IGN review about the cursor not being responsive are baffling. The low-level input filtering (the part of the code that affects the raw cursor response) is 100% identical to WAW. If the reviewer doesn't like the way it feels, that's one thing, but if he's saying its a step back from WAW, then something is fishy.

Link

[QUOTE="carter15kd5"]

i think the game looks bad and agree with the ign review

your just caught up in the hype of a new game aswell as a wii only user thats the only way i can see you defending this game so much

goblaa

Another person who has not played the game agreeing with the review.

Yet, the people saying the review is bogus are the only one who HAVE PLAYED THEGAME!!!

I love the Wii fans that hate this game are so happy over a "score". It's so funny since I'm imagining little kids jumping for joy because their History teacher is absent :lol: IF you guys actually bothered to check the review, you'll see that they used an old screenshot of COD4 in their review. I honestly stopped reading the review after seeing that and called it a bias review. And please, poor score on graphics? Well DUH! Wii can't handle 360/PS3 COD4 graphics. This review and all you people jumping for joy are making my night :lol: Oh and 7 is actually a good score.

EDIT: We all know that COD4 on Wii is pretty much WaW with a few tweaks and a new skin so how can this possibly be a step back from WaW? :lol: If this game is really as mediocre or bad as the review says, I want someone WHO OWNS THE GAME to come up here and say so ;)

I love the Wii fans that hate this game are so happy over a "score". It's so funny since I'm imagining little kids jumping for joy because their History teacher is absent :lol: IF you guys actually bothered to check the review, you'll see that they used an old screenshot of COD4 in their review. I honestly stopped reading the review after seeing that and called it a bias review. And please, poor score on graphics? Well DUH! Wii can't handle 360/PS3 COD4 graphics. This review and all you people jumping for joy are making my night :lol: Oh and 7 is actually a good score.

EDIT: We all know that COD4 on Wii is pretty much WaW with a few tweaks and a new skin so how can this possibly be a step back from WaW? :lol: If this game is really as mediocre or bad as the review says, I want someone WHO OWNS THE GAME to come up here and say so ;)

Kenny789

The part in the review that says something about the cursor not being pixel-by-pixel perfect, I agree with, but that's something that was in WaW also, and honeslty it's not a big deal. In almost every Wii FPS the cursor feels a bit choppy, Metroid Prime being the only FPS game on Wii where the cursor moves smoothly.

Wow, I'm surprised; I thought it would receive a higher score than that.:P

Eh, no biggie; I'm still gettin' the game.:)

[QUOTE="Kenny789"]

I love the Wii fans that hate this game are so happy over a "score". It's so funny since I'm imagining little kids jumping for joy because their History teacher is absent :lol: IF you guys actually bothered to check the review, you'll see that they used an old screenshot of COD4 in their review. I honestly stopped reading the review after seeing that and called it a bias review. And please, poor score on graphics? Well DUH! Wii can't handle 360/PS3 COD4 graphics. This review and all you people jumping for joy are making my night :lol: Oh and 7 is actually a good score.

EDIT: We all know that COD4 on Wii is pretty much WaW with a few tweaks and a new skin so how can this possibly be a step back from WaW? :lol: If this game is really as mediocre or bad as the review says, I want someone WHO OWNS THE GAME to come up here and say so ;)

OniStrat

The part in the review that says something about the cursor not being pixel-by-pixel perfect, I agree with, but that's something that was in WaW also, and honeslty it's not a big deal. In almost every Wii FPS the cursor feels a bit choppy, Metroid Prime being the only FPS game on Wii where the cursor moves smoothly.

Thought it would get a bit less.. Well, maybe not on IGN, though.. They do tend to be morons. 8.6 for The Conduit. HAHAHA!

I'll trust my own eyes, and what my own eyes tell me after wathchng multiple videos on youtube is that it looks like a considerably better game than The Conduit or MOH... really IGN this is the worst review I've ever seen you write.umcommon

I never look at user scores. Too many of them are either 10's or ridiculously low.Haziqonfire

i think the game looks bad and agree with the ign review

your just caught up in the hype of a new game aswell as a wii only user thats the only way i can see you defending this game so much

carter15kd5

Notice no single one of them has reference Official Nintendo UK gave it 80 out of 100darth-pyschosis

Yet despite packing in all the features from the original and the comprehensive online modes, Reflex isn't the perfect shoot 'em up experience and predictably it's the visuals that let it down. The whole fuss around the original Modern Warfare arose because it was a punchy depiction of modern, dirty combat and unfortunately, this Wii version with its flat and muddy textures and short draw distances just can't compete. Given the extra two years Treyarch had to squeeze every last drop of polish from the Wii, this is underwhelming visually. It looks okay for a Wii game - that's the dreaded caveat - but it's not even up there with Metroid Prime: Corruption.ONM

Treyarch didn't have two years to work on this.... But this reviewer assumes that graphics can improve an experience by allowing you to forget that you're playing a game and to really get lost in the "punchy depiction of modern, dirty combat." If you disagree, ignore this complaint.

And here is the ONLY reference to the controls in the whole review:

But here we come across a major Wii trump card in the ability to completely customise your controls. Attempt the speed run again and you can fine tune everything, completely rearranging commands and controls to suit your play-styIe. Wii wins its first skirmish.ONM

I'd want more info. I saw first-hand from The Conduit that customization doesn't guarantee perfect controls. There were a few critical things that I just couldn't change, and while the controls were adequate, they weren't any better than the controls for other games.

So there's the ONM review, and my opinion still hasn't changed. My guess is that Bozon exaggerated the control issues due to framerate, but at least a couple people here have confirmed the framerate issue of dipping at times, so.....

The pro Nintnedo site sinks it?

That doesn't look good for the rest of the sites

Jordan is exactly right, if the game can't play smoothly the game should not be played

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The pro Nintnedo site sinks it?

That doesn't look good for the rest of the sites

Jordan is exactly right, if the game can't play smoothly the game should not be played

fail_baby

[QUOTE="fail_baby"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The pro Nintnedo site sinks it?

That doesn't look good for the rest of the sites

Jordan is exactly right, if the game can't play smoothly the game should not be played

JordanElek

I agree with everything he said

An RPG with some frame rate dips is much better then a downgraded FPS with a worse frame rate

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="fail_baby"]Dragon Age: Origins has framerate problems and scored 8.5~9.5. Once again, your argument is invalid.Jaysonguy

I agree with everything he said

An RPG with some frame rate dips is much better then a downgraded FPS with a worse frame rate

And Jordan, who says he's looking forward to trying it first hand, hasn't played the game

and i, and it appears every user who has bought the game, says the game plays smoothly and that we are loving it

See the problem?

Why are you trying to tell ppl the game is unplayable or that they shouldn't play it when you have no first hand knowledge of it and only have one critic review that said their were issues with controls/framerate, an 80 from a nintendo mag, and a 90 from a non-nintendo source, and the countless users saying this issues either haven't appeared to them or are so minor they aren't worth mentioning

I've already logged 10 hours into the game, and if the framerate has dipped below 30fps i haven't noticed it, i was probably distracted by all the fun i was having

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"] Okay, here it is. Nothing but praise except for the visuals:

[QUOTE="ONM"]Yet despite packing in all the features from the original and the comprehensive online modes, Reflex isn't the perfect shoot 'em up experience and predictably it's the visuals that let it down. The whole fuss around the original Modern Warfare arose because it was a punchy depiction of modern, dirty combat and unfortunately, this Wii version with its flat and muddy textures and short draw distances just can't compete. Given the extra two years Treyarch had to squeeze every last drop of polish from the Wii, this is underwhelming visually. It looks okay for a Wii game - that's the dreaded caveat - but it's not even up there with Metroid Prime: Corruption.JordanElek

Treyarch didn't have two years to work on this.... But this reviewer assumes that graphics can improve an experience by allowing you to forget that you're playing a game and to really get lost in the "punchy depiction of modern, dirty combat." If you disagree, ignore this complaint.

And here is the ONLY reference to the controls in the whole review:

But here we come across a major Wii trump card in the ability to completely customise your controls. Attempt the speed run again and you can fine tune everything, completely rearranging commands and controls to suit your play-styIe. Wii wins its first skirmish.ONM

I'd want more info. I saw first-hand from The Conduit that customization doesn't guarantee perfect controls. There were a few critical things that I just couldn't change, and while the controls were adequate, they weren't any better than the controls for other games.

So there's the ONM review, and my opinion still hasn't changed. My guess is that Bozon exaggerated the control issues due to framerate, but at least a couple people here have confirmed the framerate issue of dipping at times, so.....

like i've said i'm sure it has dipped below 30 for me, but i haven't noticed. the mission the Bog had at least 30 or so characters on screen (the one where you have to protect the tank) and i had no control/framerate issues there, i thought if any mission had it, that would

so far no probs for me

this makes me wonder, if COD MWR can put 20-30 characters on screen, with decent AI, big explosions that have nice fire/smoke effects, why the heck couldn't we get more than 6 zombies on screen in Deadrising? I rented Deadrising months ago and while the game was very fun still, the most zombies on screen were like 10-12 and the would pop in the further you walked through any given area. i don't understand how those zombies have basically one move (lunge at you) while COD pulls off reloading animations, massive explosions, three times the characters on screen as DR

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]But that's not an FPS. There's a big difference in the effect of a stuttery framerate for a game that requires precision aiming for all the action. That's one of the problems I had with Perfect Dark when I went back to play it on the N64 recently. I don't know how we were so patient with such a jumpy framerate (it can go from 15fps to 60fps).darth-pyschosis

And Jordan, who says he's looking forward to trying it first hand, hasn't played the game

and i, and it appears every user who has bought the game, says the game plays smoothly and that we are loving it

See the problem?

Why are you trying to tell ppl the game is unplayable or that they shouldn't play it when you have no first hand knowledge of it and only have one critic review that said their were issues with controls/framerate, an 80 from a nintendo mag, and a 90 from a non-nintendo source, and the countless users saying this issues either haven't appeared to them or are so minor they aren't worth mentioning

I've already logged 10 hours into the game, and if the framerate has dipped below 30fps i haven't noticed it, i was probably distracted by all the fun i was having

I haven't said it's unplayable or that people shouldn't play it. That was Jason. I was only explaining WHY a framerate problem would be more of an issue in an FPS than an RPG, so reviewers that penalize FPSs but not RPGs for framerate issues aren't necessarily being inconsistent.

And I'm never going to play Reflex. I played through the original already. The money to rent the game would be a complete waste for me.

It's really too bad. The game seemed like it had every edge over World at War, yet the core controls of pointing and framerate issues held it back. I'm hearing a lot of positive talk though, so I'll wait for a few more somewhat legit reviews.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="JordanElek"]But that's not an FPS. There's a big difference in the effect of a stuttery framerate for a game that requires precision aiming for all the action. That's one of the problems I had with Perfect Dark when I went back to play it on the N64 recently. I don't know how we were so patient with such a jumpy framerate (it can go from 15fps to 60fps).JordanElek

And Jordan, who says he's looking forward to trying it first hand, hasn't played the game

and i, and it appears every user who has bought the game, says the game plays smoothly and that we are loving it

See the problem?

Why are you trying to tell ppl the game is unplayable or that they shouldn't play it when you have no first hand knowledge of it and only have one critic review that said their were issues with controls/framerate, an 80 from a nintendo mag, and a 90 from a non-nintendo source, and the countless users saying this issues either haven't appeared to them or are so minor they aren't worth mentioning

I've already logged 10 hours into the game, and if the framerate has dipped below 30fps i haven't noticed it, i was probably distracted by all the fun i was having

I haven't said it's unplayable or that people shouldn't play it. That was Jason. I was only explaining WHY a framerate problem would be more of an issue in an FPS than an RPG, so reviewers that penalize FPSs but not RPGs for framerate issues aren't necessarily being inconsistent.

And I'm never going to play Reflex. I played through the original already. The money to rent the game would be a complete waste for me.

i was referring to Jayson, sorry i should've made that clear

and while i understand you're unwillingness to pay $5 to rent a game you've already played to death, if you ever do have a copy of MWR in your wii hit me up for my FC and we'll go toe-to-toe

i know you probably won't, but just incase

It's really too bad. The game seemed like it had every edge over World at War, yet the core controls of pointing and framerate issues held it back. I'm hearing a lot of positive talk though, so I'll wait for a few more somewhat legit reviews.

TheSmitto

just rent it. all gamers need hands on experience with as many games as possible. if you're looking for a superb online wii game, look no further but if you've already beaten COD4 on another platform, there isn't much to go back to unless you find the wii controls to be superior (like i do)

BTW more reviews are in for MWR

Meristation gave it 90 out of 100, Vandal online 90 out of 100, Official Nintendo UK 80 out of 100, Everyeye.it 75 out of 100, and IGN 7 out of 10

so far, IGN stands out as the lowest. gotta wait for more. but i think anyone who wants to dismiss this quality game as outright garbage with no actual first hand gametime with it should think again, esspecially since the reviews are from 90 to 70

its metacritic rating is 81 now, and its user rating is 8.8

[QUOTE="TheSmitto"]

It's really too bad. The game seemed like it had every edge over World at War, yet the core controls of pointing and framerate issues held it back. I'm hearing a lot of positive talk though, so I'll wait for a few more somewhat legit reviews.

darth-pyschosis

just rent it. all gamers need hands on experience with as many games as possible. if you're looking for a superb online wii game, look no further but if you've already beaten COD4 on another platform, there isn't much to go back to unless you find the wii controls to be superior (like i do)

Yeah, I've decided to rent it first myself...maybe this weekend. I doubt that there will be more much reviews on it. :(And, who better to review the game than yourself, right? :)

I was really hyped up for this game. I personally think that Treyarch did the best they could with this port, and pushed the Wii to its very limit. It is by no means a lazy port. I owe it to them to at least give it a try. Who knows I may even LOVE it and buy it. :)

BTW more reviews are in for MWR

Meristation gave it 90 out of 100, Vandal online 90 out of 100, Official Nintendo UK 80 out of 100, Everyeye.it 75 out of 100, and IGN 7 out of 10

darth-pyschosis

And the one English review of those mentions framerate problems. Just pointing that out. :)

It also makes some of the harder segments of the game even more difficult, since the framerate will drop during hectic portions and it's often hard to see enemies with the low-resolution graphics. Things that were easy to see on the Xbox are hidden on the Wii, and since Treyarch's goal was to make a faithful port they didn't compensate for the system's problems.Gamervision

If any of you have actually played this game (that have bashed it), you would know that this game is at least an 8. It completely blows WaW out of the water when comparing visuals, and I think Treyarch did quite a good job at porting the game.

Indeed, it is missing some elements (graphically) like the awesome lighting effects that the original had, but that's obviously to be expected. The dip in graphics, and the previous mentioned lighting issue is the biggest difference I can see when it comes to graphics of MWR, and COD4. Maybe some minor details like blades of grass missing (the area in the farming town in the creek under the bridge), water effects. That's it though.I've played COD4 over, and over, and over.... and although it does look better, it's not to say this is a bad looking Wii game by anymeans.

I've never, ever once had a framerate issue.... ever. Even with an air strike and a helo attacking all at once with all of the explosions and everything happening at once. The game has ran very smoothly since 12:15am Nov 10th for me. I'm already ranked at lvl 23, so obviously I've played it over, and over already.

It's not a bad port job by anymeans. Of course..... this is just my opinion afterall though :P

the game looks worse than a 7

Another review went up!
Eurogamer = 6/10

I just read the review and I think they justified the score pretty well compared to IGN. Basically, if you've never played MW before, don't mind muddy textures, a few framerate drops, and don't mind having to tweak the controls a bit then it's a fantastic game since the gameplay is still highly enjoyable. I don't think this is much of a problem because:

1. Wii owners who will buy this obviously never played MW before or they want to play it with Wii controls.
2. Graphics that aren't as good as Wii exclusive shooters is a shame but based on what I've seen on videos, the game still looks pretty good.
3. Framerate is the main problem of this game, it's an issue every reviewer tackled. It's a shame but I don't think it's a deal breaker.
4. The reason why Treyarch added control customization is so you can tweak the controls to your liking. I'm sure no one would mind spending a few minutes tweaking it a bit.