is the wii nintendo's worst console ever?

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"] The Wii is the answer. I give huge credit to snes but it doesn't match the extensive excellent library the wii has.wiifan001

It's funny reading wrong opinions :Pwiifan001

i agree lol

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]
Uh of course I'm comparing them, because the big market games that are now multiplat and not coming to the Wii, were exclusives on the PS2 that obviously didn't end up on the Gamecube. Your the one who brought these games up, so of course I'm talking about them. And in case you didn't notice, I made mention of those games like Spider-Man and such, those are the second tier multiplat games, that the Wii also sees, things like Spider-Man, De Blob, Ultimate Alliance etc. And I think most would agree that Nintendo definitely, without question, supported the Wii more with 1st and 2nd party games than the cube and N64 DKCR, 2 Kirby games, 2 extra Mario Games, Super Paper Mario, Excite series, Punchout, Wario Land, need I go on? Its a no contest, I just ignored the standard games like the one Mario, Zelda, etc. This was the extra stuff that, the other two didn't get. I don't know how you can deny this.

pills4louis

You're comparing PS2 exclusives to multiplats though, and it just doesn't make sense.

And saying that the Wii got more 1st and 2nd party support then the N64 is just biased. Banjoo tooie, Kazooi, Conker, DK64, Majora's Mask, Ocarina, Mario 64, Blast Corps, Harvest moon, Jet Force Gemini, Mario Kart 64, Smash Brothers, 1080, excite bike, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, and I'm sure I forgot quite a few. Wii's list of 1st and 2nd party exclusives of the same quality of those, really just doesn't stack up, especially if you consider the quality of them. The cube got fewer 2nd party games because of the loss of rare, but nearly made it for it with better 3rd party support. The Wii has gotten both mediocre 1st and 3rd party support compared to the GC and N64, and there really isn't a debate against it. People are hailing games like No More Heroes, as one of the top games on the system. Doesn't that really say a lot about the quality of games the console is pushing out?

Too bad opinions can't be 'wrong', but this goes a long way.... factually even....

How can you say you didn't enjoy the games he mentioned in his list (which can be expanded btw) if you ARE enjoying those few similar titles on the Wii which expanded on them.....???

Smash Bros -> Melee -> Brawl

Mario Kart 64 -> Double Dash -> Kart Wii

Mario 64/DK 64/ Banjo-> Sunshine -> Galaxy

Ocarina/Majora -> Wind Waker/TP -> no original one yet

Paper Mario -> PM 1000 year door -> Super PM

etc..

Considering the more-than-a-decade of technology difference the N64 beats the Wii easily and the GC does a great job as well.

The N64 blew our minds with the introduction of our favorite franchises in 3D. An they were great. It also offered stellar support by Rare. 3rd party was bad..yes that's true but the top tier games were pure gems.

The GC gave birth to a wide variety of 1st party titles and surprised us with Metroid, Pikmin and some 3rd party titles like RE and RE4. And Fire Emblem finally reached us Western Gamers!!!! 3rd party support was better than the N64's, but it still sucked...yes

The Wii didn't give us any surprise titles apart from Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort...?! Yes, some of the 1st party titles were good, but if you actually grew up with all the previous consoles, the 'wow'-factor was/is severely lacking. We're still waiting for the original Zelda game. Where's Star Fox? Where's a 1st party game like Pikmin? Where are third-party gems like RE4 (besides the port)? Is the 3rd party support really better than that of the N64 and GC? I don't think it's any better than the GC tbh....

Wii is the worst console hands-down... not that it is a BAD console..it's just the worst if you compare it to the others.

How can you say you didn't enjoy the games he mentioned in his list (which can be expanded btw) if you ARE enjoying those few similar titles on the Wii which expanded on them.....???

Smash Bros -> Melee -> Brawl

Mario Kart 64 -> Double Dash -> Kart Wii

Mario 64/DK 64/ Banjo-> Sunshine -> Galaxy

Ocarina/Majora -> Wind Waker/TP -> no original one yet

Paper Mario -> PM 1000 year door -> Super PM

dirktu

I never liked Smash Bros. The "percentage" system turned me off ever since the original. Just give me mano-e-mano battles with health bars, special moves which actually require multi-directional inputs, and gauges for special attacks. (Yes, I know Brawl used that last one, but it still used the % system instead of a proper health bar, and it still isn't suited for health bars even if you configure it to use them instead)

Never liked racing games that much.

Never liked collect-a-thon platformers, especially of the Nintendo/Rare variety.

Never liked any of the 3D Zeldas. I enjoyed Okami and Brave Fencer Musashi much more, they at least brought something unique and fun to the table.

Never cared for the Paper Mario games. The only Mario RPG I ever liked was Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

nintendo abandoned the wii in the games department. If you ever see lists of first and second party games by nintendo the wii is by far the worst nintendo system ever. As much as people knock the gamecube, nintendo delivered big time on that console. GunSmith1_basic

Could be, but it sounds so negative. It still is a really good console.

nintendo abandoned the wii in the games department. If you ever see lists of first and second party games by nintendo the wii is by far the worst nintendo system ever. As much as people knock the gamecube, nintendo delivered big time on that console. GunSmith1_basic

I just took the time to make those lists because I thought you were totally wrong. I tried to only include TRUE first- and second-party games (based on memory alone, so a couple games are questionable, like Geist), no collaborations with outside companies whatsoever, so there are some glaring omissions, but I think the omissions hit each console equally.

I honestly didn't try to make them all end up at 25 games each, and I already see that I somehow missed Smash Bros. on the N64, so these lists aren't anywhere near perfect. But they do serve as a quick comparison of what Nintendo has done.

As I was going through the games, what became apparent is that Nintendo has worked increasingly with third parties after the N64. Back then, as you can see, they had Rare (I think 8 of the 25 N64 games were by Rare). Now they don't. A lot of the Wii's best games with Nintendo IPs were handed out to third parties that worked closely with Nintendo, like Kirby's Epic Yarn, Punch Out, and Other M.

So you were kind of right. I still see the Wii as having the best exclusives of any of these consoles, though, regardless of developer or publisher. Nintendo did do more original things on the Gamecube for traditional gamers, but they also did a lot of original things on the Wii for new gamers (as evidenced by numbers 18-25 above, lol). They just gave some of their more traditional IPs to outside sources, who generally did an excellent job.

There is always the Virtual Boyfunsohng

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

You're comparing PS2 exclusives to multiplats though, and it just doesn't make sense.

And saying that the Wii got more 1st and 2nd party support then the N64 is just biased. Banjoo tooie, Kazooi, Conker, DK64, Majora's Mask, Ocarina, Mario 64, Blast Corps, Harvest moon, Jet Force Gemini, Mario Kart 64, Smash Brothers, 1080, excite bike, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, and I'm sure I forgot quite a few. Wii's list of 1st and 2nd party exclusives of the same quality of those, really just doesn't stack up, especially if you consider the quality of them. The cube got fewer 2nd party games because of the loss of rare, but nearly made it for it with better 3rd party support. The Wii has gotten both mediocre 1st and 3rd party support compared to the GC and N64, and there really isn't a debate against it. People are hailing games like No More Heroes, as one of the top games on the system. Doesn't that really say a lot about the quality of games the console is pushing out?

dirktu

Too bad opinions can't be 'wrong', but this goes a long way.... factually even....

How can you say you didn't enjoy the games he mentioned in his list (which can be expanded btw) if you ARE enjoying those few similar titles on the Wii which expanded on them.....???

Smash Bros -> Melee -> Brawl

Mario Kart 64 -> Double Dash -> Kart Wii

Mario 64/DK 64/ Banjo-> Sunshine -> Galaxy

Ocarina/Majora -> Wind Waker/TP -> no original one yet

Paper Mario -> PM 1000 year door -> Super PM

Please explain to me how Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, and Smash Bros were better than their sequels. Those franchises have done nothing but improve, sure none of them have been as original or innovative as the originals, but they are of a much higher quality.

^ Nostalgia I guess. The initial "wow" factor probably coupled with the memories of old play sessions.

Please explain to me how Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, and Smash Bros were better than their sequels. Those franchises have done nothing but improve, sure none of them have been as original or innovative as the originals, but they are of a much higher quality.

meetroid8

[QUOTE="dirktu"]

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]As flawed as No More Heroes was, it was at least fun, which is more than I can personally say for all the N64 games you just name-dropped. I've already listed quite a few AAA exclusives in this thread so I don't feel the need to do so again.

meetroid8

Too bad opinions can't be 'wrong', but this goes a long way.... factually even....

How can you say you didn't enjoy the games he mentioned in his list (which can be expanded btw) if you ARE enjoying those few similar titles on the Wii which expanded on them.....???

Smash Bros -> Melee -> Brawl

Mario Kart 64 -> Double Dash -> Kart Wii

Mario 64/DK 64/ Banjo-> Sunshine -> Galaxy

Ocarina/Majora -> Wind Waker/TP -> no original one yet

Paper Mario -> PM 1000 year door -> Super PM

Please explain to me how Paper Mario, Mario Kart 64, and Smash Bros were better than their sequels. Those franchises have done nothing but improve, sure none of them have been as original or innovative as the originals, but they are of a much higher quality.

1) First of all....read my entire post.. not just that quotation. It pretty much answers your question.

2) This is NOT SW. So those '->' are arrows, indicating the continuation of the series. It's not your standard '>' sign.

3) My point as such never was that title A was better than title B. But tbh, Smash Bros and Paper Mario were better IMO on the N64/Cube than on the Wii. No nostalgia involved there... but still that wasn't part of my argumentation

4) @the pills guy :P : no it wasn't/isn't a moot point, cause you never stated before my post that you didn't like those genres/games. You did mention Red Steel 2 and the Last Story (how did you play that? Import?)... but not in the sense of "I loke those games, but I don't like the standard Nintendo games". Thanks for clarifying my post to the other guy though. That's pretty classy :)

I LOVED Wii

worst console is n64 I know it has got loads of good games but... sorry guys

the wiiu is our savior!

N64 had loads of great games

Mario 64

Pilotwings

Killer Instinct

Wave Race

Turok 1

Turok 2

Blast Corps

Mario Kart

Goldeneye

Diddy Kong Racing

Star Fox 64

Zelda Ocarina of Time

Zelda Majora's Mask

1080

F-Zero X

Rogue Squdron

Banjo Kazooie

Banjo Tooie

Perfect Dark

Pod Racer

Jet Force Gemeni

Donkey Kong 64

Duke Nukem Zero Hour

Kirby

Smash Bros

Paper Mario

Mario Golf

Mario Tennis

The GC had

Rogue Squadron 2

Rogue Squadron 3

Wave Race

Pikmin

Pikmin 2

Smash Bros

Monkey Ball

Monkey Ball 2

Mario Sunshine

Metroid Prime

Metroid Prime 2

Star Fox Adventures

Eternal Darkness

Zelda Wind Waker

F-Zero GX

Soul Calibur 2

Zelda Twilight Princess

Mario Kart

Prince of Persia trilogy

Beyond Good and Evil

Viewtiful Joe

Viewtiful Joe 2

Tales of Symphonia

Mario Golf

Batalion Wars

Resident Evil 4

Mario Tennis

Fire Emblem

Timesplitters 2

Timesplitters Future Perfect

I do not know where people are getting that N64 and GC sucked.

no it wasn't/isn't a moot point, cause you never stated before my post that you didn't like those genres/games. You did mention Red Steel 2 and the Last Story (how did you play that? Import?)... but not in the sense of "I loke those games, but I don't like the standard Nintendo games". Thanks for clarifying my post to the other guy though. That's pretty classy :)

dirktu

Yeah, but its also Nintendo's most successful. bbkkristian

I totally agree with this statement. However I think it's been said that they really weren't going for what most people considered to be gamers before the Wii released, so instead of "worst" I suppose you could just say it wasn't really for you (I feel the same way). The success of the system makes it difficult for me to call it bad, even though I didn't like it.

it depends:If you are a casual or someone with no or weak experieince with videogames then the wii is the best console in history.But if you a are nintendo supporter and have owned their previous consoles such as the nintedo gc,n64,snes then the wii is certainlys the weakes link.The previous consoles were catering core gamers.Wii is max 40% core and the majority is focusing on the casual gamers through e.g. wii sports, dance games etc.

it depends:If you are a casual or someone with no or weak experieince with videogames then the wii is the best console in history.

zeldisco2009

Muramasa: The Demon Blade

Sin & Punishment: Star Successor

Castle of Shikigami III

Ivy the Kiwi?

The House of the Dead: Overkill

Blast Works

Geometry Wars Galaxies

Fatal Frame 4

Yeah, I realize a lot of casual gamers own a Wii, and that there are a lot of casual games which pander to their tastes, but enough with the ad hominems. They're present in every Wii-related thread. As a core/hardcore gamer, I was severely let down by the N64 and Gamecube. What did the N64 mean to me? Sin & Punishment (import only), Bangai-O (ditto), and Mischief Makers. What did the Gamecube mean to me? Killer7, Viewtiful Joe (PS2 version has added content), and Ikaruga (horrible port, the Dreamcast version was better). Muramasa (Shura mode), Sin & Punishment: Star Successor (Normal and Hard modes), Castle of Shikigami III, Blast Works, Ivy the Kiwi, and Geometry Wars Galaxies have each beat me around like a redheaded stepchild. Completely and utterly mopped the floor with me. And what did I do? I loved each and every second of it. If we aren't counting the import-only shmups on the 360, these games have given me a more intense adrenaline rush than anything else this gen. They are the epitome of hard but fair, and to anyone who honestly believes that the Wii has nothing to offer but casual shovelware, I implore you to try them.

That said, I can't argue that the other 99% of the Wii's library isn't comprised almost entirely of casual games and shovelware garbage. But it would be like someone saying Halo is all the Xbox had to offer, without having played other, more diverse exclusives like Phantom Dust, Steel Battalion, Panzer Dragoon Orta, JSRF (which was exclusive at the time), Ninja Gaiden Black (same), and/or Otogi. Reminds me of the old days where Nintendo fanboys claimed that the Genesis only had Sonic, despite the existence of Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, Cyborg Justice, Comix Zone, MUSHA, Alien Soldier, the Thunder Force games, and so many more. It sometimes made me embarrassed to own an NES and SNES, and the reverse arguments ("NES/SNES only have Mario," "Genesis does what Nintendon't," etc) occasionally made me embarrassed to own a Genesis. It gets old, indicates a lack of effort, and reeks of logical fallacy.

Enough of this rant. I think I'll go play some Bayonetta on my 360, or maybe put some more hours into Demon's Souls on PS3... or perhaps get around to finishing MadWorld and Lost in Shadow for the Wii. Idort powers activate.

it depends:If you are a casual or someone with no or weak experieince with videogames then the wii is the best console in history.But if you a are nintendo supporter and have owned their previous consoles such as the nintedo gc,n64,snes then the wii is certainlys the weakes link.The previous consoles were catering core gamers.Wii is max 40% core and the majority is focusing on the casual gamers through e.g. wii sports, dance games etc.

zeldisco2009

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

it depends:If you are a casual or someone with no or weak experieince with videogames then the wii is the best console in history.But if you a are nintendo supporter and have owned their previous consoles such as the nintedo gc,n64,snes then the wii is certainlys the weakes link.The previous consoles were catering core gamers.Wii is max 40% core and the majority is focusing on the casual gamers through e.g. wii sports, dance games etc.

WreckEm711

I think if we're going to generalize about what kind of person likes the Wii, it depends more on how picky you are with the types of games you'll play. My Wii collection is by far the most diverse of any console ever, and I only own a few duds (in other words, I didn't buy a bunch of different types of games and end up hating half of them).

yes. the n64 had a ton of great exclusives. mario 64, starfox 64, 2 zelda games! even the gamecube had windwaker, smash bros. and metroid prime.

the wii has brawl, and a gamecube ported zelda. and one more zelda at the end of its life.

yes. the n64 had a ton of great exclusives. mario 64, starfox 64, 2 zelda games! even the gamecube had windwaker, smash bros. and metroid prime.

the wii has brawl, and a gamecube ported zelda. and one more zelda at the end of its life.

rojo12689

[QUOTE="rojo12689"]

yes. the n64 had a ton of great exclusives. mario 64, starfox 64, 2 zelda games! even the gamecube had windwaker, smash bros. and metroid prime.

the wii has brawl, and a gamecube ported zelda. and one more zelda at the end of its life.

WreckEm711

I have to completely dis agree. I think the Wii has been Nintendo's best console. Sales aside, it was revolutionary and it showed Nintendo takes risks. If you look at Sony and Microsoft, they ended out taking a piece out of Nintendo's book for motion controls. If you want to talk sales, they speak for themself. The Wii-U idea kind of scares me, but the Wii is hands down Nintendo's best console.

For me it is. I don't even bother turning on the system anymore.

For me it is. I don't even bother turning on the system anymore.

THGarrett

^ probably because they didn't like it? These types of questions don't really have a correct answer. It's more of a gut reaction than anything else. By the way, I keep hearing about how SMG are the highest rated games ever like it somehow means that it should be everybody's favorite... Guys these scores are also opinions. They don't apply to everybody. I doubt you could get a universal consensus that SMG 1 & 2 are the best games ever. Highest rated? Yes.

^ probably because they didn't like it? These types of questions don't really have a correct answer. It's more of a gut reaction than anything else. By the way, I keep hearing about how SMG are the highest rated games ever like it somehow means that it should be everybody's favorite... Guys these scores are also opinions. They don't apply to everybody. I doubt you could get a universal consensus that SMG 1 & 2 are the best games ever. Highest rated? Yes.

stizz-

You missed the point entirely, whether you enjoy them or not are irrelevant, they ARE great games. I personally prefer 2D marios, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the greatness of the games even though they aren't my preference, leaving them off of a list of what the console "has" is ridiculous just to try and prove a false point.

100 % you are right ahmadwow