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#1 Iamsmee
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The new Metroid game looks extremely interesting, and I think a change of pace is good for Metroid. But many still have issues with what it will do with the series.


1. "SHE SHOULDNT SPEAK!"

Text dialog from Super Metoid disagrees.

2. "it's like hearing Gordon Freeman speak!"

Half-Life wasn't born in the NES age, it was born in an age which had voice acting and cut scenes (and way too many of them) and it's creation was unique and the experience it gave players was unique, if anything Retro copied what Valve did rather then make it artistically original like Half-Life first did. Metroid was born in a 2d age and how it is interpreted into 3d is up to the team that is working on it at the time.

3. "Metroid should only ever be a FPS" (while in 3d)

Personally, I think a 3d third-person game (action/adventure/shooter/etc) is more like the original 2d games. Think of Mario, that is third person, you see your character in Mario and I don't have a problem seeing the character in Metroid either. Sure the original Mario was a platformer while Metroid is more of an action/adventure, but both where side-scrolling, but how anyone defines FPS as a more 'pure Metroid' game is beyond me, since the action/adventure aspect in Metroid can still be perfectly fine while in third person.

Retro's interpretion of Metroid was amazing, I don't think anyone is doubting that, but why can't another source have a go at it? No doubt Nintendo will be in every process that happens when making this new game, so their (Nintendo's) vision of Metroid will never die and obviously their vision of what Metroid can be is beyond Retro's work.

Overall it looks like this will be a more Japanese version of Metroid rather then having the American influence that Retro gave it. Samus is shorter, thinner and from what can be seen of her face (and everything else) is less European then what is normally Samus. I personally did like the older version (looked more like she really could kick arse), but I also like a change and personally love how artists place their own mark on the franchise (since in additions to the series don't remove the old ones, the non-talkative Samus of Retro's game isn't removed or forgotten now that Team Ninja is making a game).

As long as Team Ninja doesn't put their 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' mark on the game (a.k.a. make characters unrealistic) then I will be fine with the new Samus. And I don't think they would with Nintendo's heavy involvement, and with the fact that Itagaki is gone.

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#2 ChildOfGaming7
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Don't worry, Team Ninja said that they wanted to be respectful with Samus. She's never beenlike the DOA girls....As a guy though, where's her 3D bikini? :P (How hipocritical is THAT!?!?!)

And about those two other things, Samus isn't like Link. As long the voicework is good (Didn't she speak in Brawl?) it'll be okay! Putting Metroid in the third dimension outside her visor may be tricky, but Team Ninja had tough challenges before...

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#3 MangaPicture
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Samus was narrating in Super Metroid, Zero Mission and talking to herself and to the computer in Metroid Fusion. :roll:

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#4 nintendoboy16
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

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#5 BizarreAssassin
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Why should she not be able to speak?I would think she should do that because It would be intresting. I mean the quitest characters eventually get boring, and you want to hear if there cocky Bastrds, or Wise Yungins. A for the FPS, its Team Ninja, developers of Ninja Gaiden, I expected them to take on a new view from 2-D side scroling to 3-D FPS, or rather Ninja-Giaden style(Third Person)
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#6 MangaPicture
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja WHY?!? Team Ninja has NO experience with the Wii at all.nintendoboy16

It's done by Project M, which not only consists of Team Ninja, but also of Nintendo R&D1 which made all the 2D Metroid games, so they know what they are doing.

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#7 Rocky32189
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja WHY?!? Team Ninja has NO experience with the Wii at all.nintendoboy16
Retro Studios had no experience with the Gamecube and was a no-name developer yet Metroid Prime became 2002 GOTY and arguably the best title on the console. Don't worry. Nintendo is working alongside them and ensuring that the game turns out great.
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#8 fyor
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nintendo will never release a metroid game if its not good

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#9 Blue-N-Yellow
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja WHY?!? Team Ninja has NO experience with the Wii at all.nintendoboy16

Retro didn't have any experience on the GC either, so I don't know where you're going with that argument.

New direction seems cool and Nintendo is working on it as well; I'm looking forward to it the more I hear about it.

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#10 Raiko101
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I think they meant Team Ninja has no experience with the Wiimote, wheras Retro knew how to use a standard controller. Anyways, I don't doubt Team Ninja. I mean they know know how to put a challenging game of high quality together. My only thoughts it that this game just doesn't appeal to me at all. The gameplay doesn't completely make sense to me yet, but i'm not too bothered about looking further into it either.
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#11 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja WHY?!? Team Ninja has NO experience with the Wii at all.Blue-N-Yellow

Retro didn't have any experience on the GC either, so I don't know where you're going with that argument.

New direction seems cool and Nintendo is working on it as well; I'm looking forward to it the more I hear about it.

Wii development is very different from other console developments though. Team Ninja never had the Wii in their possesion until now. Retro had it since launch, as they did Gamecube. Team Ninja got it late, as Retro got it the time the Wii and it's games were being worked on.
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#12 TheLordMagnus
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All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.
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#13 Pikminmaniac
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja WHY?!? Team Ninja has NO experience with the Wii at all.MangaPicture

It's done by Project M, which not only consists of Team Ninja, but also of Nintendo R&D1 which made all the 2D Metroid games, so they know what they are doing.

First of all, that trailer was the most amazing thing at E3 and secondly, R&D1 is working with Team Ninja with Sakamoto at the helm. Sakamoto has been heavely involved with every metroid except for the Prime series. He had a concept for a 3D metroid, but his team had almost no experience with 3D graphics. So he searched for a team that would understand what he wanted for a 3D Metroid. Team ninja apparently saw his vision. This one will probably apeal more to the Metroid fans that have been there since Metroid (NES) and Super Metroid (SNES).

This Metroid is more my style than the Primes from what I have seen and heard

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#14 alphamale1989
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Nice topic, but those are all stupid ideas to begin with and I don't think they need debunking. @ People who actually think those things - OMG, wow. Just wow.
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#15 Sgt_Crow
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'Samus shouldn't speak' The clowns who say this are the fake fans... she has spoken in her previous games more than once. The only difference is that she now has a voice. So Metroid is evolving (voice acting is the standard for most games these days) and they are complaining? GTFO.
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#16 snipe12388
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All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.TheLordMagnus
Less movie, more game. I don't want to sit for 30-40 minutes *coughMGScough* and then play for 15 minutes, just to have another cutscene roll in. I wish they actually put more of the plot into the game itself. Through something a la Ghost Recon with the CrossCom system. That way, you could have someone talking to you while you explore. I applaud the new direction of the Metroid series. If it turns out well, great, if not, then they will learn their lesson.
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#17 awssk8er716
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

nintendoboy16

I thought this too... until I saw the trailer. I never really got into any of the Metroid games, but this looks sick!

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#18 Wintry_Flutist
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

nintendoboy16
They have experience, period. Or would you rather see HVS making it because they have "experience with the Wii"?
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#19 clicketyclick
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1. "SHE SHOULDNT SPEAK!"

Text dialog from Super Metoid disagrees.

Iamsmee

How did you in any way debunk this belief?

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#20 madsnakehhh
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My only issue is her voice, i dont know if she is still Jennifer Hale, she is one of the best outhere and she made her voice (well, sort of) in the Prime series (not so sure about Brawl) and in the trailer, it doesnt sound like her.

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#21 8-Bitterness
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team ninja making metroid = samus with huge boobs, violence, hard game, badassness...

the game is epic win, plus who cares if she speaks... metroid is not zelda, you dont wanna control someone who only moans and makes stupid sounds instead of speaking, metroid can have a really awesome plot with voice acting, why waste the opportunity?

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#22 snover2009
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Iwould prefer 3D Metroid to be FPS, that is only my opinion.

Frim the trailer, both the 3rd and 1st person perspectives are used and is only a matter of timw to see how they are used in the game.

It will most likely work one of two ways:

- You only play 3rd in some sections and only 1st in others

- You can switch between the two perspectives on-the-fly (similar to Fallout 3)

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#23 TheLordMagnus
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[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.snipe12388
Less movie, more game. I don't want to sit for 30-40 minutes *coughMGScough* and then play for 15 minutes, just to have another cutscene roll in. I wish they actually put more of the plot into the game itself. Through something a la Ghost Recon with the CrossCom system. That way, you could have someone talking to you while you explore. I applaud the new direction of the Metroid series. If it turns out well, great, if not, then they will learn their lesson.

I'm not talking about Metal Gear Solid length cut scenes or anything like that. But voice acting really adds to the experience of the game and to the story. An actor's performance can help define a character and breathe new life into them. While people may like the whole text thing, I think it just makes Nintendo's characters seem soulless, uninteresting, and boring. Players like Link and Samus hardly ever show any character development.
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#24 osan0
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1 and 2 im still not chuffed with her having a voice over. theres just somehting wrong with older characters that we have grown up with having voice overs imho. still i suppose in the context of other M...it would be daft if she didnt say a word...it is supposed to be more about samus than other metroid games. its just....a bit narly. i hope they get good voice actors though (for all regions). on point 3: i agree....try new things. theres a few things that are essential to a metroid game. it needs to have exploration...it needs epic bosses and it needs loads of kewl upgrades tht slowly unlock the map. besides that.....the devs shouldnt feel limited to just making it a FPS or TPS or 2d game.....if the game can deliver on all those fronts then itll be a good metroid game. my only worry about otherM is that they forget the exploration side but an interview at IGN has eased my concerns a good deal. i dont want ninja gaiden reskinned to look like metroid....i want a proper metroid game...ie a game wtih exploration, great action with epic bosses, lots of secrets and upgrades and a good degree of polish.
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#25 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

They have experience, period. Or would you rather see HVS making it because they have "experience with the Wii"?

I'd rather have Ubisoft or Activision with it, the only HVS game that has me intrested is Conduit, the others, not so much.
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#26 clicketyclick
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I'm starting to be afraid of this alliance. I'm just worried about the kind of audience they're trying to capture....
team ninja making metroid = samus with huge boobs ... who cares if she speaks... 8-Bitterness
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#27 Madmangamer364
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I'm starting to be afraid of this alliance. I'm just worried about the kind of audience they're trying to capture.... [QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]team ninja making metroid = samus with huge boobs ... who cares if she speaks... clicketyclick
:?

Not to worry. Not every person excited about this game and is aware of Team Ninja's resume is looking at Other M this way. I would be lying if I said Team Ninja didn't have a history of... fanservice, but the majority of the developer's games have other qualities, as well. Ninja Gaiden is proof of that. Besides, I haven't seen anything thus far that would suggest that the game would be going THAT route, so I wouldn't fret. :P

Although, I have to admit that some of the comments are a tad disturbing...

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#28 Tht1Guy7780
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The only thing I dont like about it so far is the first person parts and the JRPG style of the graphics. I HATE that. It looks like a Final Fantasy game. I enjoy the western style of retor much more.

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#29 AmayaPapaya
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All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.TheLordMagnus

That would be a pretty good idea except Mario and Link should NEVER talk.If Link were ever to talk no one would like him because Link is one of those Chararacter that is best spoken through his emotions expresions ETC...As soon as you give a character like link words then you will realize you don't like him....BTW we have already seen link with a voice..."Excuuuuse me Princess"Besides they don't need him to have a character with Navi or Midna...

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#30 8-Bitterness
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well apparently someone had the wrong idea about what i meant with my post... the samus with huge boobs part was kind of a joke, and when i said that who cares if she speaks it meant that it would be stupid if she did not speak... oh and i also kinda mentioned that the game would be hard like ninja gaiden and that would be pretty awesome and badass ~note to self, wii board is serious business~
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#31 just_nonplussed
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It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

nintendoboy16

you're talking nonsense, man.

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#32 clicketyclick
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[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]well apparently someone had the wrong idea about what i meant with my post... the samus with huge boobs part was kind of a joke, and when i said that who cares if she speaks it meant that it would be stupid if she did not speak... oh and i also kinda mentioned that the game would be hard like ninja gaiden and that would be pretty awesome and badass ~note to self, wii board is serious business~

"who cares if she speaks" means "she should speak and it would be stupid if she didn't"? So, you care that she speaks, and you're asking who cares if she speaks? :? Ninja Gaiden on DS isn't hard. People forget that.
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#34 8-Bitterness
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oh i didnt mean ninja gaiden on the DS, meant more like ninja gaiden on the xbox n stuff and i wouldnt mind that much if she did not speak, i would just think its a waste of a great opportunity to actually make a good story in a good game... not like zelda yeah i suppose i do care if she speaks, oh wait im not supposed to, im supposed to care bout the boobies right? OMFG BOOBIES IMA BUY THAT DAMN GAME HOLY HELL /
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#36 clicketyclick
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[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]oh i didnt mean ninja gaiden on the DS, meant more like ninja gaiden on the xbox n stuff and i wouldnt mind that much if she did not speak, i would just think its a waste of a great opportunity to actually make a good story in a good game... not like zelda

Ya, but I think Team Ninja will be taking the Ninja Gaiden Nintendo DS approach, not the NG Microsoft Xbox approach. Being a Team Ninja game doesn't mean that it will necessarily be hard. I don't really know how I feel about the speaking. As you said, it could lead to a great story, but there are other games without speaking protagonists that have a great story already mentioned in this thread. I think the lack of speaking best fits a first-person Metroid, because you feel more like you're in the game if you don't have someone else's voice speaking someone else's thoughts and taking you 'out of character'. I'm most concerned about how they'll switch between first and third person.
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#37 Wintry_Flutist
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

They have experience, period. Or would you rather see HVS making it because they have "experience with the Wii"?

I'd rather have Ubisoft or Activision with it, the only HVS game that has me intrested is Conduit, the others, not so much.

Ubisoft? Activision? You must be kidding...
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#38 TheLordMagnus
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[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.AmayaPapaya

That would be a pretty good idea except Mario and Link should NEVER talk.If Link were ever to talk no one would like him because Link is one of those Chararacter that is best spoken through his emotions expresions ETC...As soon as you give a character like link words then you will realize you don't like him....BTW we have already seen link with a voice..."Excuuuuse me Princess"Besides they don't need him to have a character with Navi or Midna...

Dude, CD-i Zelda is pathetic on all levels. But that's not an excuse to get some real voice actors and put them into a Zelda game. It looks pretty stupid to me to have a character stand there talking to Link while he just stupidly stares back at them. THERE'S NO INTERACTION....there's nothing..just words. For as many games as Link has been in, he NEVER is more than just some guy wearing a tunic and wielding a sword. There's literally nothing to him except that.
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#40 osan0
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]All Nintendo characters should talk. Games should be cinematic and not bogged down by tons of text. Gaming has evolved into a serious form of story telling, and voice acting in games has improved tremendously.TheLordMagnus

That would be a pretty good idea except Mario and Link should NEVER talk.If Link were ever to talk no one would like him because Link is one of those Chararacter that is best spoken through his emotions expresions ETC...As soon as you give a character like link words then you will realize you don't like him....BTW we have already seen link with a voice..."Excuuuuse me Princess"Besides they don't need him to have a character with Navi or Midna...

Dude, CD-i Zelda is pathetic on all levels. But that's not an excuse to get some real voice actors and put them into a Zelda game. It looks pretty stupid to me to have a character stand there talking to Link while he just stupidly stares back at them. THERE'S NO INTERACTION....there's nothing..just words. For as many games as Link has been in, he NEVER is more than just some guy wearing a tunic and wielding a sword. There's literally nothing to him except that.

the fact that there is no character to link is a good thing....thats the point. the likes of link, samus(debateable with older games..but very empty in the prime series) and gordon freeman are just empty vesels that the player themselves fills out. when im playing a zelda game theres a better sense that the character is talking to me, not link/samus/gordon because the devs havent imposed a character template or backstory or any of that....so thats what i do as the player (to an extent that suits me). i do think other characters in zelda should have voice overs (like they do in half life) but link shouldnt say a word.
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#41 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"] They have experience, period. Or would you rather see HVS making it because they have "experience with the Wii"?Wintry_Flutist
I'd rather have Ubisoft or Activision with it, the only HVS game that has me intrested is Conduit, the others, not so much.

Ubisoft? Activision? You must be kidding...

Those or Sega could be better.
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#42 Luigi420
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I personally have never really played the Metroid Prime series (I hope to change that statement in August though), but I thoroughly had a **** when I saw the trailer. I want to play this game. The combat, the shooting, the artwork, is everything I've ever wanted in a game. I know I could go to the 360 or the PS3 for that, but I love the House of Mario.

I am honestly excited for this game, and will fight someone for it. I think it could turn into one of my favorite games.

Besides, when I play my brother's 360 I always go for DoA. It may have the best fighting engine I've ever played (IMO). I trust Team Ninja, and seriously, what was the last bad game Nintendo R&D churned out?

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#43 maverick_41
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All Nintendo characters should be able to speak, and as far ast the game goes, Nintendo will never realease a bad Metroid game.

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#44 Durhamster
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Having samus speak gives her character more depth, something many of Nintendo's games lack in their plots.

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#45 nintendoboy16
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Having samus speak gives her character more depth, something many of Nintendo's games lack in their plots.

Durhamster
What about Link? He never talked, but he kept it well enough.
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[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"] Ubisoft? Activision? You must be kidding...nintendoboy16
Those or Sega could be better.

What if someone was to say that Tecmo, the publisher Team Ninja is under, has experience with the Wii? Would that at all change your opinion? :P

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#47 LoG-Sacrament
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its not the perspective that worries me. mp3 made excellent use the the first person perspective with various futuristic buttons, switches, and levers that really immersed you in the game. that coupled with the visual effects already established in the gcn versions made for an incrediblyimmersive experience. i dont think that the metroid series could have made any notable improvements from the first person perspective. so a change back to 3rd person could be a breath of fresh air. plus its team ninja, so it likely wont be as easy as mp3 (though mp1/2 were good difficulties, so its not like team ninja is the only team that can make a hard game).

however, there are some other things in the trailer that worry me. the space marine looked like somebody out of gears of war, and it just didnt sit right with me.

also, the world never felt as alien to me as the worlds retro created in the prime series. i know its hard to convey something like that in a short trailer, so im not saying "this game is going to suck" or anything like that. its just that the mp series had a distinct feeling that is unmatched in other gaming franchises. it felt like the whole "world" around you was completely alive, yet you were alone all the same.

we'll see how it goes. even if other m doesnt have the same strengths as the prime series, it may well excel in its own ways.

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#48 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"] Ubisoft? Activision? You must be kidding...Madmangamer364

Those or Sega could be better.

What if someone was to say that Tecmo, the publisher Team Ninja is under, has experience with the Wii? Would that at all change your opinion? :P

Hmm, Rygar, the two Super Swing Golf games. No.
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#49 raahsnavj
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[QUOTE="just_nonplussed"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

It still is going to be a flop in my opinion. Why Team Ninja? WHY?!?

you're talking nonsense, man.

I agree and as I read the thread I think the only reason you think it will flop is because of the inexperience of the team developing it? or did you have another reason? If I was going to say it would turn out bad I would at least have the decency of explaining why... but then again maybe you don't know why and just wanted to grace us with your presence and get noticed?
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#50 kardine
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Wow people are complaing about Samus talking....