Less People Buying And Playing Zelda? That's Great, Oh Wait....

Here's something I see a lot when it comes to the Zelda franchise.

People want a darker, more mature, Zelda game to be made.

Now I started playing games at age 3, I have a friend and she started at 4. I'm sure that most people here started before the age of 10. Depending when we were born most of us have had a chance to play the majority of franchises even when our ages were in single digits.

Hundreds upon hundreds (upon thousands) of people have fond memories of playing the Zelda franchise when they were little. Those people have grown up with the Zelda franchise and still play it and love it to this day.

Now if you make a mature Zelda you stop an entire generation of kids from having the opportunity to grow up with the franchise.

One of the amazing things for Zelda and the other major Nintendo franchises is that EVERYONE comes out to get the game. You see people of all ages buying the game. Some are on their 10th installment of the franchise and some are on their first.

Now what would have happened if 20 years ago someone decided to make the Zelda franchise mature? Then a good chunk of you would have missed out on the game. When you talk about the games you played growing up you'd have to take Zelda out of the picture.

Sucks huh?

So why is there such a great need to take away that opportunity from players these days?

Why is there a need to have a Zelda game that some part of the gaming public is going to miss out on?

ahhh very confused, zelda tp was basically ocarina of time 2, and they even allowed you to be a dog for most of the game, very mature. as well the most recent zelda video game, zelda ph is extremely kiddy in my opinion but still fun. i have no clue what your even talking about.JackAtta12732

No sweat, I'll explain

OOT is rated E for everyone

Twilight Princess because it looks more realistic is rated T for teen

Phantom Hourglass is rated E for everyone

Twilight Princess is the farthest the series can go. It can't go any farther towards an adult market while still keeping the kids playing.

The whole point is to keep the games as close as the E for everybody as possible so that everyone can play it.

I disagree completely, halo 3 rated M for mature and is currently being being stored in the memories of many children because of its fun colourful nature despite some blood which we can all grow up and not complain about.JackAtta12732

Great, I don't really want to make this about bad parents that fail at raising their kids.

The main point is that children who are a certain age shouldn't be playing certain games and Nintendo is able to compete with all the games that you're talking about and still win for 20 years or longer.

The point is that Zelda has been E for everyone and all ages can enjoy it, even the 3 and 4 year olds I'm talking about. Nintendo had to up the latest version to T because of the realism but that's as far as they can go.

(also leave out other console's franchises if you want to have this discussion so it stays open)

as long as its never officially rated "M" ill be happy.

but i think it could be teen and still have darker subject matter, dont you?

Jaysonguy, you're right about this. Zelda can't be a M rated game. How can you do to have a rated M Zelda? You kill monsters on a dungeon not people. Zelda is a fantasy game not a sandbox.

People wanted a more mature Zelda game when Wind Waker came. They got it in TP but they complained about this by saying it's the worst Zelda ever made. I enjoyed TP more than OOT. I don't care if the next Zelda has cell-shading like Wind Waker. I also enjoyed Wind Waker.

The next Zelda would probably be a new thing. Miyamoto and Aonuma did confirm that TP would be the last of its kind.

I'll buy Zelda games as long as I own the console they're made for.Los9090

Same here. I loved TP, but I also loved WW. I love how they can go completely "kiddy" all the way to "mature", and still be able to pound out hits. Thats what a franchise should be able to do.

as long as its never officially rated "M" ill be happy.

but i think it could be teen and still have darker subject matter, dont you?

PeterPerson

I don't think so.

I remember the interview well over a year ago and they made note that Twilight Princess was rated T for teen and did that mean that Zelda was going more "mature". They said it had to be rated that way because of the realism of the game. Like if you take the Zelda formula that we've been playing for decades now and you add realism to it the E rated game becomes a T rated game.

I don't think they could push it much farther and keep the T rating where everyone can play. It would be one of the T rated games that are just toned down enough that they're not rated M

Well, I wouldn't want it to go past teen, and in fact have no problem with Zeldas for everyone. But, I see no problem with giving long standing fans the game that they want. If the people that grew up with Zelda and helped make it a success want a more 'grown up' game, I think Nintendo should make some effort to take their concerns under consideration while still making the Zelda game they want to make.

Todays young generations will have their own great franchises to grow up with. Also, the great thing about Zelda is that each one is a little different experience. So one adult Zelda wouldn't mean that future ones have to deal with the same adult content.

Having said all that, I really don't want the content to be too adult...it just wouldn't feel like Zelda anymore. More than anything, I just want them to mix up the formula a bit.

This is one of those situations where there isnt a clear answer IMO. I agree with you Jayson in the fact that it would be an awful thing to lower the chances of a new generation have the same great experiences we had. While Zelda wasnt something I played really young (I was a sega kid) I know many people who loved the games at a really young age and personally OOT was the best gaming experience I can ever remember. This is something I too wish we can pass on to future generations.

On the other hand... Zelda is the quint essential epic story just like Beowulf (the book not the movie, well maybe the movie, I havent seen it yet). It is very natural to want that epic story to be as triumphant as possible. Just like in Lord of the Rings, the worse the world seems and the darker / scarier / tougher the enemy seems the sweeter the victory is once they are overcome.

Again I say there isnt really a clear cut answer to this situation... Im generally not one to argue the middle ground. I usually always pick a side and argue it to the death. Here in this situation my head is telling me that you are right jayson and that this is something that everyone should experience for generations to come but something in my gut just wants to play a zelda that is as "epic" as it can be.

I'm not really seeing a valid point either. There is a difference in making a game with realistic graphics and making a game that is mature. I also think its a little naive to think that Nintendo should or would stop making realistic Zelda's for the reason your stating. I think they will continue to do what they are currently doing as we speak, which is making a variety of Zelda games. Its just what you prefer as to which type game you play. I personally have liked every Zelda game I've ever played, whether its with cartoon graphics or with realistic graphics.

Nintendo is always going to take advantage of the hardware it employees to create games, whether its making a perfectly smooth cell shaded Zelda, or a completly realistic Zelda. They aren't taking anything away from anyone. Everyone grows up, and the kids that can't play teen games can play the other Zelda games till they turn 13. They aren't ever going to be left out. Nintendo has proven that with the past. I don't think they are ever going to make a bloody Zelda with cussing and adult themes. But I do think they will continue to progress with the series, after all Nintendo is about innovation and moving forward, so to keep the Zelda series from evolving goes against what Nintendo stands for. Shigeru Miyamoto knows what he's doing and has proven so many times over, i don't think you have anything to worry about.

NOTE: if you're not following me i pity you, but i'm talking about graphics, not content...............

This thread fails. What's with all the "protect the children" nonsense from you, Jasonguy. A mature Zelda would be fun, but it doesn't have to be a bloodbath like No More Heroes or Manhunt 2. I would be happy with more realism and a darker story. It doesn't have to have lots of blood or dismembered corpses, just a darker theme. What's wrong with that. If the game is good, and is not too bloody, people of all ages could still play it. Heck, my friend's son had nightmares from playing Windwaker. Just give consumers what they want, and everything will work out. santiagochile

Again, we're not talking about bad parenting we're talking about the ability for everyone to play it.

Parents failing at raising their kids isn't part of the argument.

[QUOTE="santiagochile"]This thread fails. What's with all the "protect the children" nonsense from you, Jasonguy. A mature Zelda would be fun, but it doesn't have to be a bloodbath like No More Heroes or Manhunt 2. I would be happy with more realism and a darker story. It doesn't have to have lots of blood or dismembered corpses, just a darker theme. What's wrong with that. If the game is good, and is not too bloody, people of all ages could still play it. Heck, my friend's son had nightmares from playing Windwaker. Just give consumers what they want, and everything will work out. Jaysonguy

Again, we're not talking about bad parenting we're talking about the ability for everyone to play it.

Parents failing at raising their kids isn't part of the argument.

Where on earth did you get that from his statement? I'm just curious....

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

Jaysonguy

Well from what i've read, the only time parenting has been brought up has been by you. You said it twice, both of which times neither person was anywhere around the subject. So why are you telling people to find another thread on a subject you alone are discussing? (and completly off base on)

Second, if this is your opionion on Zelda games, thats great. Play what ever Zelda game you want, Shigeru Miyamoto, as stated before, knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for 20+ years now and hasn't failed yet. He gives variety with his Zelda games and does it because he knows people want it. We don't have to worry about Zelda becoming a mature game. And I really don't think Miyamoto is going to stop progressing with graphics technology because it means it gets a T for teen due to realism.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

wilsn2019

Well from what i've read, the only time parenting has been brought up has been by you. You said it twice, both of which times neither person was anywhere around the subject. So why are you telling people to find another thread on a subject you alone are discussing? (and completly off base on)

Second, if this is your opionion on Zelda games, thats great. Play what ever Zelda game you want, Shigeru Miyamoto, as stated before, knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for 20+ years now and hasn't failed yet. He gives variety with his Zelda games and does it because he knows people want it. We don't have to worry about Zelda becoming a mature game. And I really don't think Miyamoto is going to stop progressing with graphics technology because it means it gets a T for teen due to realism.

Totally missed the point and some of the posts in this thread so honestly at this point I hope you have a really good day.

[QUOTE="wilsn2019"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

Jaysonguy

Well from what i've read, the only time parenting has been brought up has been by you. You said it twice, both of which times neither person was anywhere around the subject. So why are you telling people to find another thread on a subject you alone are discussing? (and completly off base on)

Second, if this is your opionion on Zelda games, thats great. Play what ever Zelda game you want, Shigeru Miyamoto, as stated before, knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for 20+ years now and hasn't failed yet. He gives variety with his Zelda games and does it because he knows people want it. We don't have to worry about Zelda becoming a mature game. And I really don't think Miyamoto is going to stop progressing with graphics technology because it means it gets a T for teen due to realism.

Totally missed the point and some of the posts in this thread so honestly at this point I hope you have a really good day.

lol, thats all i need. thank you

I totally understand the point of this thread is to keep the Zelda Franchise accessible to people of all ages. Anyone who played Zelda or any franchise that is dear to them would want to share it with as many people as possible. There's something to be said about the bond created by a truly enjoyable experience that others can relate to. While that seems a noble goal on the surface, it does strike me as a rather selfish thing to wish for and seems to be more of a desire to live vicariously through todays youth than an argument made by a fan who cares about the series.

A previous poster mentioned that today's youth are getting their own brand new adventures to call their own and while the Zelda series has certainly offered kid friendly themes to date, I don't think that it's wrong for the current install base to desire that the adventures grow and mature with them.

Harry Potter could arguably be considered the most successful franchise (in general) in recent memory and it's a shining example of how you can appeal to today's youth and then challenge them by pushing the envelope and introducing new themes and questions of morality. The series continued to get darker as newer books were released (i'm currently reading the sixth), and darker didn't necessarily mean that the books lost what made them youth-friendly in the first place.

Zelda has all the elements to emulate this sort of maturing process. You can have dark themes without the gore and the graphic violence and still appeal to children. That's what's so great about the fantasy genre! It's not real! As such, certain liberties can be taken to explore area's that would otherwise be untouchable in a more real world setting.

To cater exclusively to children with snippets of nostalgia for the now maturing Zelda fanbase isn't the best solution in my opinion. It serves only to keep the franchise stagnant by continually repeating the same chapters over and over with little more change than a fresh coat of paint. I see nothing wrong with fans of the series having a desire to see it grow and if any video game series can safely accomodate both kids and adults, it's Zelda.

Have you forgotten about Majoras Mask, that game was pretty dark for a Zelda game, and it did good...right?ImSwordMan

i saw someone play ocarina of time when i wuz 4 and i wuz pretty scared now im not and oot and MM r pretty dark but good games they'll probably scare a kid under 10 some kids

either way nintendo goes with zelda would be good, whether its the realistic version or the cartoon version. if any, the cartoon version would be great with the ds, while the realistic version would be great on the wii.

i personally like the realistic version better. can nintendo make it more darker and more mature? yes they probalby can. nintendo will make zelda they way they want it to be. i've played the zelda series from the nes days and it always had the potential to be more mature than mario because of the style of the game. would it be better for zelda to go in a dark and mature path? who knows.

i've always thought games like metroid prime and zelda to be better for older adults. mario and pikmin for kids.

I say if the parents want their kids playon LoZ wean them on OoT and PH and then put them on the harder stuff, like TP.

Did I mention Zelda is the best franchise EVER?

TC I think you misunderstand what most people want from zelda. I hear constantly people want a darker more mature Zelda game as well. that does not mean you have to take it the M rating. Its not a black and white, cut and dry deal. Within T there are different variations. Heck you can have a darker game even if its an E rating.

People just want more than the squeaks and squawks made by the towns folk. Stuff like that. It doesnt mean they have to go on a killling spree they just want a more serious. I think they are right, I also agree it should be avaiable to everyone but nonetheless taking this route.

Also the whole Zelda being captured and Link saving her. WHy cant they have another overall objective cause its getting old. Also Dungeon crawling is cool but there needs to be more.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="wilsn2019"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

wilsn2019

Well from what i've read, the only time parenting has been brought up has been by you. You said it twice, both of which times neither person was anywhere around the subject. So why are you telling people to find another thread on a subject you alone are discussing? (and completly off base on)

Second, if this is your opionion on Zelda games, thats great. Play what ever Zelda game you want, Shigeru Miyamoto, as stated before, knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for 20+ years now and hasn't failed yet. He gives variety with his Zelda games and does it because he knows people want it. We don't have to worry about Zelda becoming a mature game. And I really don't think Miyamoto is going to stop progressing with graphics technology because it means it gets a T for teen due to realism.

Totally missed the point and some of the posts in this thread so honestly at this point I hope you have a really good day.

lol, thats all i need. thank you

Wow, again he misread what you were saying, Jason.

He actually thought right there that you said "I (As in Jason) totally missed the point" when you were really saying "You (as in "wilsn2019") totally missed the point".

Just shows how closely he's been paying attention.

...along with a bunch of other people here.

Why can't people get a point? What's so hard to understand?

Metroid is too dark, and it doesn't sell as well as Mario. Perfect example of two games that are both amazing, yet one kills the other one in sales because it appeals to everyone, while the other one has limited appeal. You think 5, 6, 7 year-olds want to grow up playing Metroid? They'll have nightmares every day.

Jason is saying that if Zelda went to what I'm going to call "the dark side," meaning basically that the game is too "mature" for kids to even want to play, then 20 years down the line, the next generation of gamers won't have the attachment to the franchise as many of us do right now and sales will be affected.

Whether I agree with that or not...I'm on the fence.

I totally get what you're saying, Jason, and I agree that kids will lose that connection. BUT, it doesn't say anywhere that if you didn't grow up with something you won't be able to learn to love it when you're an adult. I picked up many of my all-time favorite franchises in the past 5 years, I mean I never played Metroid as a kid.

It's an interesting topic though. I doubt the boys here saying stuff like "this thread is pointless! Look at how mature I am! I like blood! That is soooo adult of me!!! Kids have kiddie games, why should they ruin ours?!? Blah, blah, blah! Me, me, me." are going to agree with you, but one day they'll learn to think of people other than themselves.

I don't care about the children?

Zelda has already gone from E to T why not take it a step further. Hell the story can get darker without going from T to M.

And everytime as a child my mom wouldn't let me play a game I went over to my good friend Charlie's house and played it there. Its no longer an issue because I can play unrestricted but if a kid REALLY wants to play and their parents won't let them they'll find a way. I started playing games when I was 6 and Goldeneye was my first experience, ever. My mom freaked out because I was shooting people but she got over it pretty fast

and think about it, Zelda has always been kind of violent. Killing monsters and orcs, etc. I'm not asking for gore or anything I want it to be like Jak 2, be an anti hero, the ends justify the means kind of stuff. (btw Jak 2 and 3 were rated T same as TP)

Zelda actually does need to be more serious. Also ISNT there a major difference bewteen mature and gory. A game can be mature but is not necessarily gory and an example is Metroid.

People want it to be darker and thats what they should do.

[QUOTE="JackAtta12732"]ahhh very confused, zelda tp was basically ocarina of time 2, and they even allowed you to be a dog for most of the game, very mature. as well the most recent zelda video game, zelda ph is extremely kiddy in my opinion but still fun. i have no clue what your even talking about.Jaysonguy

No sweat, I'll explain

OOT is rated E for everyone

Twilight Princess because it looks more realistic is rated T for teen

Phantom Hourglass is rated E for everyone

Twilight Princess is the farthest the series can go. It can't go any farther towards an adult market while still keeping the kids playing.

The whole point is to keep the games as close as the E for everybody as possible so that everyone can play it.

Are you afraid of change?

I would like to see only one Zelda game with a darker strory, just to refresh the concept a little bit. Is is bad, then?

Listen up folks: I think Shigeru has already solved this problem, you just have to see it.

For beginning Zelda players, there will be cel-shaded games like WW and PH with more a lighter feel overall, though still maintaining the old-school Zelda gameplay (Link's Awakening anyone?). Future games made under the cel-shaded banner should be designed for younger players with easier puzzles and more of happy-go-lucky kind of design (it may look like a Pokemon game, it may act like a Pokemon game, but guess what .... It's Zelda!).

Now for the darker stuff: realism is the way of the future in this category. I mean, we couldn't very well have Dark Link staring out of a Wind Waker mask now could we? Twilight Princess took the first step in this direction, making things a little darker while not throwing the frolicking Link of old out the window. Just look at the Lakebed Temple boss!

Morpheel wasn't terribly hard to beat, but I don't think he would be a good pick in a "kids" game. I don't think Shigeru would have put him in Phantom Hourglass, no sir. ("Oh my God he just ate my stylus!")

The Legend of Zelda is getting darker in certain places, it just may take some time. And Jayson, great topic.

Are you afraid of change?

I would like to see only one Zelda game with a darker strory, just to refresh the concept a little bit. Is is bad, then?

Thiago26792

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seriously it will improve the series overall and give a different concept.

More important than how serious the game is, I think the HAVE to switch from the monotinous process of: Link gets sword, Zelda gets captured, and Link fights Ganondorf who then turns into Ganon, Link "temporarily" stops Ganon, and saves Zelda.

PLEASE get a new story. For example Ganondorf has captured an ancient tribe of Gorons and is sending them into extinction. In this game they reveal more siginificance to these Gorons by showing they hold the very foundations of Hyrule together and destroying them would ultimately destroy Hyrule.

Just an example but it highlights how nice it would be to see Link do something other than saving Zelda who can still be part of the story without being chained to the wall.

Well, my take on Zelda, is that it doesn't need to be more mature. I feel the biggest problem with the Zelda series is that they're starting to be a bit cookie-cutter-esc. Link needs to go to temples to gather something (non-Triforce related). Link later finds out about the Triforce and has to gather it. Bosses generally require you to perform the same thing 3 times to kill them. Most of the items you get are used only in the dungeon you find them. There's usually two worlds (light/dark, normal/shadow, young Link/old Link).

I think the series needs to reinvent itself a little. There are a few things that have to remain: Triforce (a few have got away without having this, but...), items, dungeons, and puzzles.

One thing I think the series needs to introduce is a difficulty level. All it even needs to affect is how much damage you take and if you want to tie it to the original Zelda No Ring, Blue Ring, Red Ring. :D

Another thing is I'd like it if an item was incorporated it into later dungeons. I think this would allow them to improve the puzzles. Also, I'd like to get more use out of items in the overworld.

I'd like it if the boss battles instead of Link vs. a giant moster was changed to a dual. I think it'd be an excellent way to utilize the WiiMote and make boss battles much more enjoyable than the mini-puzzle they currently are.

I think instead of making a mature Zelda game, they need to make a Zelda spin-off that could be mature. Someone else suggested, in a prior thread, about having a Shiek game. I think that'd be a great oppotunity to create a game (similar to Zelda) but more about stealth and possibly a little more platformy (PoP type platforming). In addition, it could be much darker, I think they'd have to work hard to get worse than "T" though

the series is on the verge of just going through motions. Do dungeons and temples to collect some stuff to save zelda.

Please think of a new way to have Link fight evil and that evil does not necessairly have to be Ganon. It was really nice to fight Majoras Mask. I would like Link to fight Majora :o not just his mask.

I don't really care if we get a "darker" Zelda, I just want something new.

But you do make a pretty good point.

[QUOTE="wilsn2019"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="wilsn2019"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Ok I'm going to have to explain the point again.

First of all if you want to go argue that kids play games they're not supposed to because of ratings and they enjoy them then please pick another thread. I'm not about to discuss how parents fail to raise their kids right.

If you think this thread is about keeping Zelda far from realism you're also mistaken but you can hang around in here.

The point I'm trying to make is that when you take the Zelda that we all grew up with and make it realistic you end up with a game like Twilight Princess where it's got the same content as other E rated games but it had to be rated T for the realism.

Now for everyone who wants a darker Zelda that becomes a T rating not because of the realism that becomes a T rating because of content and that's where Zelda starts to lose age groups because of the way that the game is rated.

A T rating because of content becomes something where you don't have little kids growing up with the franchise, you have kids not able to pick it up until later in their lives. Nintendo's ability to make all their lead franchises all ages instantly crumbles away.

bob_newman

Well from what i've read, the only time parenting has been brought up has been by you. You said it twice, both of which times neither person was anywhere around the subject. So why are you telling people to find another thread on a subject you alone are discussing? (and completly off base on)

Second, if this is your opionion on Zelda games, thats great. Play what ever Zelda game you want, Shigeru Miyamoto, as stated before, knows what he's doing. He's been doing it for 20+ years now and hasn't failed yet. He gives variety with his Zelda games and does it because he knows people want it. We don't have to worry about Zelda becoming a mature game. And I really don't think Miyamoto is going to stop progressing with graphics technology because it means it gets a T for teen due to realism.

Totally missed the point and some of the posts in this thread so honestly at this point I hope you have a really good day.

lol, thats all i need. thank you

Wow, again he misread what you were saying, Jason.

He actually thought right there that you said "I (As in Jason) totally missed the point" when you were really saying "You (as in "wilsn2019") totally missed the point".

Just shows how closely he's been paying attention.

...along with a bunch of other people here.

Why can't people get a point? What's so hard to understand?

Metroid is too dark, and it doesn't sell as well as Mario. Perfect example of two games that are both amazing, yet one kills the other one in sales because it appeals to everyone, while the other one has limited appeal. You think 5, 6, 7 year-olds want to grow up playing Metroid? They'll have nightmares every day.

Jason is saying that if Zelda went to what I'm going to call "the dark side," meaning basically that the game is too "mature" for kids to even want to play, then 20 years down the line, the next generation of gamers won't have the attachment to the franchise as many of us do right now and sales will be affected.

Whether I agree with that or not...I'm on the fence.

I totally get what you're saying, Jason, and I agree that kids will lose that connection. BUT, it doesn't say anywhere that if you didn't grow up with something you won't be able to learn to love it when you're an adult. I picked up many of my all-time favorite franchises in the past 5 years, I mean I never played Metroid as a kid.

It's an interesting topic though. I doubt the boys here saying stuff like "this thread is pointless! Look at how mature I am! I like blood! That is soooo adult of me!!! Kids have kiddie games, why should they ruin ours?!? Blah, blah, blah! Me, me, me." are going to agree with you, but one day they'll learn to think of people other than themselves.

not at all, I meant he gave me the answer I thought he would. sorry you misunderstood what i meant. I never thought he meant that he misread the thread. I understood him 100%. Sorry to confuse you but i'm glad i was able to clear it up for you.

Everything about the Zelda franchise screams potential, but much of that potential could only be realized if they made it a mature game.

The storyline, the gameplay, everything. We should let David Jaffe do a spin-off of the franchise, he could do wonders.