MoH 2 is almost a killer app....

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"][QUOTE="Nintendoes"][QUOTE="merch"]

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]Plants victory flag.Nintendoes

"MoH2 is not a killer app because it lacks a full game. MoH2 lacks a sufficient campaign" how would u know have u played the game!!!

Because he has already concluded from what he thinks he knows of the game that the game simply can't be a kill app, regardless of the fact that he has never actually played it.

At least i gave good reasons why the game was not a killer app...

That were all refuted by me...

No like i said you did not give reasons and anything you tried to refute was really foolish. For example, you said well SSBB does not have voice chat LMAO. This is just a good example of everything you said. You looked at one little thing and then applied it to the whole picture. If thats your idea of refuting an arguement or points in an arguement then Ill say it again. GIVE IT UP. Sorry give me something good then maybe thats refuting what I say but all you say holds no weight whatsoever.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

You defend arguements that you dont believe in...

Nintendoes

Do you have to keep on repeating the same thing over and over again?

Ya because you wont even acknowledge it. Even this post is ignoring it.

Do you understand what you just admitted to??? You just admitted that you defended an arguement that you dont believe in...... WHat doy ou have to say for yourself.... Really please explain or I might as well put the last nail in the coffin.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"][QUOTE="Nintendoes"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]Hey, no offence to you. Just, I'd never have a 2+ day debate with someone else online on a forum. I'm not calling you, yourself, an idiot, just the whole debate you 2 got yourselves into is idiotic in itself. Nobody has won, and there won't be a winner. I think it started as a misunderstanding, and just took off from there. Is that an accurate description of the situation?Nintendoes

I'm really sorry it turned out this way. It ended up in a slew of personal attacks directed at each other and I really hate those type of "discussions". I normally would have just left the "conversation" but I can't stand being misunderstood, laughed in the face,(sonic_rusher, please don't comment on this), and called a nark or idiot.

tell the mods which would yes make a nark.

So if I report you for making personal attacks, I'm a nark?

uhhhhhh YA. You made personal attacks towards me. I did it towards you. If you are gonna be a tattle tail I dont care anymore because it will just be another desperation on your part.

For example, you said well SSBB does not have voice chat LMAO.

sonic_rusher

It doesn't...

uhhhhhh YA. You made personal attacks towards me. I did it towards you. If you are gonna be a tattle tail I dont care anymore because it will just be another desperation on your part.

sonic_rusher

Again, I never made personal attacks against you, nor did I ever have the inclination to report you to the moderators. Look, I want to end this but could you please stop the name calling and second-guessing? I realize that we can't have a civil conversation so I just want this one to end. Either we make a resolution or agree to disagree, but I don't want to be called names or for you to criticize whatever I could possibly say.

Ya because you wont even acknowledge it. Even this post is ignoring it.

sonic_rusher

Actually, I have acknowledged it. Every single time you've said that I've argued for something and then argued against it, I've said that you were wrong and normally explained why.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

For example, you said well SSBB does not have voice chat LMAO.

Nintendoes

It doesn't...

Thjats not my point. You look at one thing at a time and its so funny that even continue this mess. You used that one little thing as as a comparison to MoH 2 which completely wrong. If the only thing wrong with MoH 2 was no voice chat then it may have been a killer app but not only does it not have much of the media's eye it lacks so much. SSBB on the other hand may not have voice chat but it has a seemingly great adventure, unparralled multiplayer, hugely popular, best gathering of different IPs in the history of gaming, tons of maps, and this online that advances on S Mario Strikers online. MoH 2 does have half of these things. The fact that you still dont get it is just further proof of how this arguement has already ended.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

uhhhhhh YA. You made personal attacks towards me. I did it towards you. If you are gonna be a tattle tail I dont care anymore because it will just be another desperation on your part.

Nintendoes

Again, I never made personal attacks against you, nor did I ever have the inclination to report you to the moderators. Look, I want to end this but could you please stop the name calling and second-guessing? I realize that we can't have a civil conversation so I just want this one to end. Either we make a resolution or agree to disagree, but I don't want to be called names or for you to criticize whatever I could possibly say.

Fine you have been in denial for a while now you can deny that you said anything ill towwards me but its a bunch of BS. Also I dont know you so if IFyou were going to tattle on me to the mods I was just letting you that it id ont care and it would only prove my point even further.

[QUOTE="Nintendoes"][QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

uhhhhhh YA. You made personal attacks towards me. I did it towards you. If you are gonna be a tattle tail I dont care anymore because it will just be another desperation on your part.

sonic_rusher

Again, I never made personal attacks against you, nor did I ever have the inclination to report you to the moderators. Look, I want to end this but could you please stop the name calling and second-guessing? I realize that we can't have a civil conversation so I just want this one to end. Either we make a resolution or agree to disagree, but I don't want to be called names or for you to criticize whatever I could possibly say.

Fine you have been in denial for a while now you can deny that you said anything ill towwards me but its a bunch of BS. Also I dont know you so if IFyou were going to tattle on me to the mods I was just letting you that it id ont care and it would only prove my point even further.

*Sigh* Can we please make some kind of agreement, whether it be to a truce or resolution?

Thjats not my point. You look at one thing at a time and its so funny that even continue this mess. You used that one little thing as as a comparison to MoH 2 which completely wrong. If the only thing wrong with MoH 2 was no voice chat then it may have been a killer app but not only does it not have much of the media's eye it lacks so much. SSBB on the other hand may not have voice chat but it has a seemingly great adventure, unparralled multiplayer, hugely popular, best gathering of different IPs in the history of gaming, tons of maps, and this online that advances on S Mario Strikers online. MoH 2 does have half of these things. The fact that you still dont get it is just further proof of how this arguement has already ended.

sonic_rusher

I get your point, but none of it really has any relevancy because:

1). The game isn't out yet, so there's no way you can determine its quality.

2). Whether or not a game is a killer app or not is completely subjective.

3). Your determination on what you actually know of the game that it can't be a killer app is just you opinion and people may not always see it the same way as you see it.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"][QUOTE="Nintendoes"][QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

uhhhhhh YA. You made personal attacks towards me. I did it towards you. If you are gonna be a tattle tail I dont care anymore because it will just be another desperation on your part.

Nintendoes

Again, I never made personal attacks against you, nor did I ever have the inclination to report you to the moderators. Look, I want to end this but could you please stop the name calling and second-guessing? I realize that we can't have a civil conversation so I just want this one to end. Either we make a resolution or agree to disagree, but I don't want to be called names or for you to criticize whatever I could possibly say.

Fine you have been in denial for a while now you can deny that you said anything ill towwards me but its a bunch of BS. Also I dont know you so if IFyou were going to tattle on me to the mods I was just letting you that it id ont care and it would only prove my point even further.

*Sigh* Can we please make some kind of agreement, whether it be to a truce or resolution?

Truces are for stalemates. if you honestly think this is a stale mate you misunderstand even more than i thought. No one is forcing you to type on here. If this wasa formal debate i think you would understand.

But yes I know we are both acting immature and this is getting silly but i dont care. I know what I am saying and it make sense to me and alot of other people.

Truces are for stalemates.

sonic_rusher

Sonic Rusher, Nintendoes. End it. It's a silly pointless arguement that's been going on too long.Dark_Link142

I am trying so hard...

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

Thjats not my point. You look at one thing at a time and its so funny that even continue this mess. You used that one little thing as as a comparison to MoH 2 which completely wrong. If the only thing wrong with MoH 2 was no voice chat then it may have been a killer app but not only does it not have much of the media's eye it lacks so much. SSBB on the other hand may not have voice chat but it has a seemingly great adventure, unparralled multiplayer, hugely popular, best gathering of different IPs in the history of gaming, tons of maps, and this online that advances on S Mario Strikers online. MoH 2 does have half of these things. The fact that you still dont get it is just further proof of how this arguement has already ended.

Nintendoes

I get your point, but none of it really has any relevancy because:

1). The game isn't out yet, so there's no way you can determine its quality.

2). Whether or not a game is a killer app or not is completely subjective.

3). Your determination on what you actually know of the game that it can't be a killer app is just you opinion and people may not always see it the same way as you see it.

You obviously dont get my point because hype is before the game comes out and games like SSBB and Halo 123 are all known as killer apps before the game comes out.

hype is before the game comes out and games like SSBB and Halo 123

sonic_rusher

That's exactly my point. Hype is completely subjective, and doesn't really factor in to a game's quality. I'm sure there was plenty of hype for Lair and see how that game did.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

hype is before the game comes out and games like SSBB and Halo 123

Nintendoes

That's exactly my point. Hype is completely subjective, and doesn't really factor in to a game's quality. I'm sure there was plenty of hype for Lair and see how that game did.

Once again you look at one little element. Look at everything. Hype is part of it and yes there are people who play the game before it comes out so much so that it basically ruins it for us. Most people already knew that Lair was gonna suck about a month or so before it came out. It wasnt we did not know this for a while. We thought lair was going to be one of those Halo like games when were first heard about it. as it came together so did the reservations about it.

Also unfortunately some games like Halo 2 lacked quality in alot of ways and unfortunately it was one of the biggest killer apps because it was a major popular trend

halo 2 only became a killer app because of online support just as mohh2 has a 32 not 16 a 32 player online. halo 2 story was horrible especially the ending lol.merch

NO you are so wrong and you obviously are understanding this as good Nintendoes.

The hype was different from MoH 2 wayyy different along with many other factors. its such a different case you cant compare them in fact.

You could have put a piece of crap in a bag put halo on there and it would sell like crazy whether the game was good or not. Halo 3 in my opinion was really good even if it sucked though it would have sold just as good. This is a sad truth but nonetheless the truth.

We thought lair was going to be one of those Halo like games when were first heard about it. as it came together so did the reservations about it.

sonic_rusher

You're missing the point. Hype doesn't factor in to a game's quality. I'm really tired of repeating the same thing, over and over again but you don't seem to want to get it.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

We thought lair was going to be one of those Halo like games when were first heard about it. as it came together so did the reservations about it.

Nintendoes

You're missing the point. Hype doesn't factor in to a game's quality. I'm really tired of repeating the same thing, over and over again but you don't seem to want to get it.

And quality is not one to one with a killer app. YOUR the one who doesnt get it so stop postng and give up. I hjave to keep repeating for the sake of my point you keep repeating stuff that has been proven wrong. So you cant say this anymore cause its wrong. Stop looking at one little thing i swear to god it like you use a microscope to look at the whole picture

And quality is not one to one with a killer app. YOUR the one who doesnt get it so stop postng and give up. I hjave to keep repeating for the sake of my point you keep repeating stuff that has been proven wrong. So you cant say this anymore cause its wrong. Stop looking at one little thing i swear to god it like you use a microscope to look at the whole picture

sonic_rusher

What are you talking about? You made a point and I made a counter-point. That's one of the elements of a debate.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

And quality is not one to one with a killer app. YOUR the one who doesnt get it so stop postng and give up. I hjave to keep repeating for the sake of my point you keep repeating stuff that has been proven wrong. So you cant say this anymore cause its wrong. Stop looking at one little thing i swear to god it like you use a microscope to look at the whole picture

Nintendoes

What are you talking about? You made a point and I made a counter-point. That's one of the elements of a debate.

Ya but I just said a quality game and a killer app isnt always the same thing. Thats why there no point in you repeating what yu will almost for sure will repeat 20 posts from now.

[QUOTE="Nintendoes"][QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

And quality is not one to one with a killer app. YOUR the one who doesnt get it so stop postng and give up. I hjave to keep repeating for the sake of my point you keep repeating stuff that has been proven wrong. So you cant say this anymore cause its wrong. Stop looking at one little thing i swear to god it like you use a microscope to look at the whole picture

sonic_rusher

What are you talking about? You made a point and I made a counter-point. That's one of the elements of a debate.

Ya but I just said a quality game and a killer app isnt always the same thing. Thats why there no point in you repeating what yu will almost for sure will repeat 20 posts from now.

That's just your opinion. There isn't a single, unified definition for a killer app, so you may think that quality of a game has no place in determining whether or not a game is a killer app but others may not agree with you.

[QUOTE="merch"]halo 2 only became a killer app because of online support just as mohh2 has a 32 not 16 a 32 player online. halo 2 story was horrible especially the ending lol.sonic_rusher

NO you are so wrong and you obviously are understanding this as good Nintendoes.

The hype was different from MoH 2 wayyy different along with many other factors. its such a different case you cant compare them in fact.

You could have put a piece of crap in a bag put halo on there and it would sell like crazy whether the game was good or not. Halo 3 in my opinion was really good even if it sucked though it would have sold just as good. This is a sad truth but nonetheless the truth.

i cant compare them but u compared them earlier ?? if u go back and see if halo 2 didnt have online it would have sucked, and i say screw it and mario galaxy is the killer app for sure everyone is going to buy it wether its going to suck or not shall we compare mario galaxy to halo ??.

I know we're all tired of repeating/restating the same thing over and over again, but one of the main points we're trying to get across is your taking your oppinion and trying to "force" it to be fact.... now your argument would be SOOOOO much more stable IF this game was already released and so forth... but your deciding things without "seeing them" for example you keep stating that it has a short story, no co-op/multiplayer ect... BUT a game can have a short story, and that story could possibly be a great story.... (generally "short but sweet").... also theres the fact that when you play an online game only 3-4 levels are ever really played, and everything else just is "ignored"... and seeing we don't know/have info as to how well/large/ other needed bits of information needed to form a well rounded oppinion on the stage matter its hard to say wether or not the lack of levels is indeed a "good" or bad thing.... also as far as the topic as WWII goes.... one could say the same towards WWII informative films..... yet just recently (after all these years since WWII came) someone has finally made a documentary featuring actual colored clips and a grittier darker vision of WWII which according to them, and the people who witnessed/were interviewed finally stated that after all these years these documentarians (if thats what they're called) got the best view as to what that war was like.... ( the creator said that even people who weren't interviewed came up to him crying in happiness that (just look above)....

anyhow my point is that in a war as large as WWII, with all the soilders within that war that lived and sadly died, the stories possible are within the hundreds of thousands... even millions.... and they range from dark comedy- Tragedies, some have happy endings, and others end in peoples dreams being shattered by the hundreds of bullets rushing at him from machine guns... on possibly the day he was finally able to go home, out of that hell.... not all the stories are "great stories", and some of the greatest stories are the shortest ones (they can also end up being the saddest).... so as far as the WWII genre is concerned... I think MOH has quite a while before its run out.... its just a matter of them picking the right story....

sorry for the late comment but I was busy... on top of this halo 2 became a killer app due to its online, now sure halo also had mics, but it had a suck story.... basically we can't truly predict how this game will come out... until its out/ the MAJORITY have either bought (or not bought) the game... or rather until we have the worlds overall oppinion (I spell it this way, even if its wrong) AFTER the games been released....

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"][QUOTE="Nintendoes"][QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

And quality is not one to one with a killer app. YOUR the one who doesnt get it so stop postng and give up. I hjave to keep repeating for the sake of my point you keep repeating stuff that has been proven wrong. So you cant say this anymore cause its wrong. Stop looking at one little thing i swear to god it like you use a microscope to look at the whole picture

Nintendoes

What are you talking about? You made a point and I made a counter-point. That's one of the elements of a debate.

Ya but I just said a quality game and a killer app isnt always the same thing. Thats why there no point in you repeating what yu will almost for sure will repeat 20 posts from now.

That's just your opinion. There isn't a single, unified definition for a killer app, so you may think that quality of a game has no place in determining whether or not a game is a killer app but others may not agree with you.

Ya but we have a pretty good idea and it may not be steadfast but it aint a slipperary ever changin definition either. You use this all of the time.

I know we're all tired of repeating/restating the same thing over and over again, but one of the main points we're trying to get across is your taking your oppinion and trying to "force" it to be fact.... now your argument would be SOOOOO much more stable IF this game was already released and so forth... but your deciding things without "seeing them" for example you keep stating that it has a short story, no co-op/multiplayer ect... BUT a game can have a short story, and that story could possibly be a great story.... (generally "short but sweet").... also theres the fact that when you play an online game only 3-4 levels are ever really played, and everything else just is "ignored"... and seeing we don't know/have info as to how well/large/ other needed bits of information needed to form a well rounded oppinion on the stage matter its hard to say wether or not the lack of levels is indeed a "good" or bad thing.... also as far as the topic as WWII goes.... one could say the same towards WWII informative films..... yet just recently (after all these years since WWII came) someone has finally made a documentary featuring actual colored clips and a grittier darker vision of WWII which according to them, and the people who witnessed/were interviewed finally stated that after all these years these documentarians (if thats what they're called) got the best view as to what that war was like.... ( the creator said that even people who weren't interviewed came up to him crying in happiness that (just look above)....

anyhow my point is that in a war as large as WWII, with all the soilders within that war that lived and sadly died, the stories possible are within the hundreds of thousands... even millions.... and they range from dark comedy- Tragedies, some have happy endings, and others end in peoples dreams being shattered by the hundreds of bullets rushing at him from machine guns... on possibly the day he was finally able to go home, out of that hell.... not all the stories are "great stories", and some of the greatest stories are the shortest ones (they can also end up being the saddest).... so as far as the WWII genre is concerned... I think MOH has quite a while before its run out.... its just a matter of them picking the right story....

sorry for the late comment but I was busy... on top of this halo 2 became a killer app due to its online, now sure halo also had mics, but it had a suck story.... basically we can't truly predict how this game will come out... until its out/ the MAJORITY have either bought (or not bought) the game... or rather until we have the worlds overall oppinion (I spell it this way, even if its wrong) AFTER the games been released....

whostolemysoul

Um ya but tht doesnt mean this one is. Also its not my opinion for the 100th time. If I was talking about how much of a trend the iPod was and you guys said no its your opnion then everyone would call you crazy because its so obvious that. You make it seem like I am just taking this from my own thoughts. This a gathering of opnions and thoughts of everyone. I dont know when you will get this but Im not forcing opinion Im looking at what the market stamps this game as. And it may noy be as clear cut as the iPod but its not that hard. So I think you guys are forcing opnion by saying this is merely an opnion because its more than that.

Also if you think that Halo 2 became a killer app because of just online then I rest my case cause your looking at it with a microscope just like our narrow minded Nintendoes. Halo 2 became a killer app from A MILLION different factors. Why do you and nintendoes use one element of a game to say that it could be a killer app. This is sooo stupid its not even funny. First nintendoes says SSBB could not be a killer app because of no Voice Chat whithfoolishly ignoring the other million things that clearly make it a killer app. You say Halo 2 had online and voice chat and thats why and you are so wrong there is so much more involved it really is a testament that you and your budddy dont know crap about the subject. Halo 2 first of all was a killer app because of the unparralled hype, tight controls, really fun multiplayer, online, voice chat, and many more things. Granted I did not like Halo 2 that much because it had a weaker than hell campaign but the game was a killer app either way unfortunately. SSBB also has a similar situation. Unfortunately hype ridden games have a different situation then lower games like MoH2. Its sad but true and you nor me can change it.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"]

[QUOTE="merch"]halo 2 only became a killer app because of online support just as mohh2 has a 32 not 16 a 32 player online. halo 2 story was horrible especially the ending lol.merch

NO you are so wrong and you obviously are understanding this as good Nintendoes.

The hype was different from MoH 2 wayyy different along with many other factors. its such a different case you cant compare them in fact.

You could have put a piece of crap in a bag put halo on there and it would sell like crazy whether the game was good or not. Halo 3 in my opinion was really good even if it sucked though it would have sold just as good. This is a sad truth but nonetheless the truth.

i cant compare them but u compared them earlier ?? if u go back and see if halo 2 didnt have online it would have sucked, and i say screw it and mario galaxy is the killer app for sure everyone is going to buy it wether its going to suck or not shall we compare mario galaxy to halo ??.

I meant you personally cant compare them. You said because Halo had online and Moh2 had online then they ar eboth killer apps. Halo 2 still had alot more rto offer than MoH 2 and way more hype.

The trio of misunderstanding here dont understand that games like Halo 2 dont become killer aps because they merely have voice chat and online play. It takes loads of factors not just one like you geniuses think.

[QUOTE="whostolemysoul"]

I know we're all tired of repeating/restating the same thing over and over again, but one of the main points we're trying to get across is your taking your oppinion and trying to "force" it to be fact.... now your argument would be SOOOOO much more stable IF this game was already released and so forth... but your deciding things without "seeing them" for example you keep stating that it has a short story, no co-op/multiplayer ect... BUT a game can have a short story, and that story could possibly be a great story.... (generally "short but sweet").... also theres the fact that when you play an online game only 3-4 levels are ever really played, and everything else just is "ignored"... and seeing we don't know/have info as to how well/large/ other needed bits of information needed to form a well rounded oppinion on the stage matter its hard to say wether or not the lack of levels is indeed a "good" or bad thing.... also as far as the topic as WWII goes.... one could say the same towards WWII informative films..... yet just recently (after all these years since WWII came) someone has finally made a documentary featuring actual colored clips and a grittier darker vision of WWII which according to them, and the people who witnessed/were interviewed finally stated that after all these years these documentarians (if thats what they're called) got the best view as to what that war was like.... ( the creator said that even people who weren't interviewed came up to him crying in happiness that (just look above)....

anyhow my point is that in a war as large as WWII, with all the soilders within that war that lived and sadly died, the stories possible are within the hundreds of thousands... even millions.... and they range from dark comedy- Tragedies, some have happy endings, and others end in peoples dreams being shattered by the hundreds of bullets rushing at him from machine guns... on possibly the day he was finally able to go home, out of that hell.... not all the stories are "great stories", and some of the greatest stories are the shortest ones (they can also end up being the saddest).... so as far as the WWII genre is concerned... I think MOH has quite a while before its run out.... its just a matter of them picking the right story....

sorry for the late comment but I was busy... on top of this halo 2 became a killer app due to its online, now sure halo also had mics, but it had a suck story.... basically we can't truly predict how this game will come out... until its out/ the MAJORITY have either bought (or not bought) the game... or rather until we have the worlds overall oppinion (I spell it this way, even if its wrong) AFTER the games been released....

sonic_rusher

Um ya but tht doesnt mean this one is. Also its not my opinion for the 100th time. If I was talking about how much of a trend the iPod was and you guys said no its your opnion then everyone would call you crazy because its so obvious that. You make it seem like I am just taking this from my own thoughts. This a gathering of opnions and thoughts of everyone. I dont know when you will get this but Im not forcing opinion Im looking at what the market stamps this game as. And it may noy be as clear cut as the iPod but its not that hard. So I think you guys are forcing opnion by saying this is merely an opnion because its more than that.

Also if you think that Halo 2 became a killer app because of just online then I rest my case cause your looking at it with a microscope just like our narrow minded Nintendoes. Halo 2 became a killer app from A MILLION different factors. Why do you and nintendoes use one element of a game to say that it could be a killer app. This is sooo stupid its not even funny. First nintendoes says SSBB could not be a killer app because of no Voice Chat whithfoolishly ignoring the other million things that clearly make it a killer app. You say Halo 2 had online and voice chat and thats why and you are so wrong there is so much more involved it really is a testament that you and your budddy dont know crap about the subject. Halo 2 first of all was a killer app because of the unparralled hype, tight controls, really fun multiplayer, online, voice chat, and many more things. Granted I did not like Halo 2 that much because it had a weaker than hell campaign but the game was a killer app either way unfortunately. SSBB also has a similar situation. Unfortunately hype ridden games have a different situation then lower games like MoH2. Its sad but true and you nor me can change it.

Lol, you guys are still arguing about that stupid nonsense. It's been 116 post since I last post and the argument is still going on. Man grow up, the 2 of you. You are wasting your time... I'm leaving lol. May the winner rips the other's head off.

[QUOTE="sonic_rusher"][QUOTE="whostolemysoul"]

I know we're all tired of repeating/restating the same thing over and over again, but one of the main points we're trying to get across is your taking your oppinion and trying to "force" it to be fact.... now your argument would be SOOOOO much more stable IF this game was already released and so forth... but your deciding things without "seeing them" for example you keep stating that it has a short story, no co-op/multiplayer ect... BUT a game can have a short story, and that story could possibly be a great story.... (generally "short but sweet").... also theres the fact that when you play an online game only 3-4 levels are ever really played, and everything else just is "ignored"... and seeing we don't know/have info as to how well/large/ other needed bits of information needed to form a well rounded oppinion on the stage matter its hard to say wether or not the lack of levels is indeed a "good" or bad thing.... also as far as the topic as WWII goes.... one could say the same towards WWII informative films..... yet just recently (after all these years since WWII came) someone has finally made a documentary featuring actual colored clips and a grittier darker vision of WWII which according to them, and the people who witnessed/were interviewed finally stated that after all these years these documentarians (if thats what they're called) got the best view as to what that war was like.... ( the creator said that even people who weren't interviewed came up to him crying in happiness that (just look above)....

anyhow my point is that in a war as large as WWII, with all the soilders within that war that lived and sadly died, the stories possible are within the hundreds of thousands... even millions.... and they range from dark comedy- Tragedies, some have happy endings, and others end in peoples dreams being shattered by the hundreds of bullets rushing at him from machine guns... on possibly the day he was finally able to go home, out of that hell.... not all the stories are "great stories", and some of the greatest stories are the shortest ones (they can also end up being the saddest).... so as far as the WWII genre is concerned... I think MOH has quite a while before its run out.... its just a matter of them picking the right story....

sorry for the late comment but I was busy... on top of this halo 2 became a killer app due to its online, now sure halo also had mics, but it had a suck story.... basically we can't truly predict how this game will come out... until its out/ the MAJORITY have either bought (or not bought) the game... or rather until we have the worlds overall oppinion (I spell it this way, even if its wrong) AFTER the games been released....

vnc20100

Um ya but tht doesnt mean this one is. Also its not my opinion for the 100th time. If I was talking about how much of a trend the iPod was and you guys said no its your opnion then everyone would call you crazy because its so obvious that. You make it seem like I am just taking this from my own thoughts. This a gathering of opnions and thoughts of everyone. I dont know when you will get this but Im not forcing opinion Im looking at what the market stamps this game as. And it may noy be as clear cut as the iPod but its not that hard. So I think you guys are forcing opnion by saying this is merely an opnion because its more than that.

Also if you think that Halo 2 became a killer app because of just online then I rest my case cause your looking at it with a microscope just like our narrow minded Nintendoes. Halo 2 became a killer app from A MILLION different factors. Why do you and nintendoes use one element of a game to say that it could be a killer app. This is sooo stupid its not even funny. First nintendoes says SSBB could not be a killer app because of no Voice Chat whithfoolishly ignoring the other million things that clearly make it a killer app. You say Halo 2 had online and voice chat and thats why and you are so wrong there is so much more involved it really is a testament that you and your budddy dont know crap about the subject. Halo 2 first of all was a killer app because of the unparralled hype, tight controls, really fun multiplayer, online, voice chat, and many more things. Granted I did not like Halo 2 that much because it had a weaker than hell campaign but the game was a killer app either way unfortunately. SSBB also has a similar situation. Unfortunately hype ridden games have a different situation then lower games like MoH2. Its sad but true and you nor me can change it.

Lol, you guys are still arguing about that stupid nonsense. It's been 116 post since I last post and the argument is still going on. Man grow up, the 2 of you. You are wasting your time... I'm leaving lol. May the winner rips the other's head off.

Dude its been over this is like babble basically. They are just repeating what has already been dismissed.

Ya but we have a pretty good idea and it may not be steadfast but it aint a slipperary ever changin definition either. You use this all of the time.

sonic_rusher

Who's "we"? No, I have not used that all the time .

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Ya but we have a pretty good idea and it may not be steadfast but it aint a slipperary ever changin definition either. You use this all of the time.

Nintendoes

Who's "we"? No, I have not used that all the time .

Yes you say that a killer app is in the ey of the beholder. Your thinking about the quality of a game I guess, but a Killer app is not just the quality it involves much more. Case closed again....

Yes you say that a killer app is in the ey of the beholder. Your thinking about the quality of a game I guess, but a Killer app is not just the quality it involves much more. Case closed again....

sonic_rusher

No, I don't use that defnition and I really don't care to imagine what a "slipperary ever changin definition" is. Since there really is absolutely no rock-solid definition for a killer app, it's all based on opinion, just as whostolemysou said.

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Yes you say that a killer app is in the ey of the beholder. Your thinking about the quality of a game I guess, but a Killer app is not just the quality it involves much more. Case closed again....

Nintendoes

No, I don't use that defnition and I really don't care to imagine what a "slipperary ever changin definition" is. Since there really is absolutely no rock-solid definition for a killer app, it's all based on opinion, just as whostolemysou said.

It means that everything is in the eye of the beholder and that is just a load of crap. Opinions are big part of this industry but that doesnt mean that everything you see is 100% opinion. You cant honestly reasonably say that everyone has different killer apps. You cannot honestly be saying that because the average JOE think Hello Kitty Island Adventure is a killer app that this is seen as a legitimate reason to be a killer app because its teh opinion. Im sorry but you by yourself do not determine a killer app, I dont determine a killer app, its is everything in and out of the industry that decides it.

An opinion would be how you think a game is good or not. The quality of a game and killer apps are not the same thing and you have thought this the whole time and that is what your problem is.

Its pretty easy to see that this is not all opinion and that is just one sided thinking coming out again. Its the gathering of opinions so by this logic you are wrong. People who are wrong always hide behind opnions and yes its a huge part of everything in our life but that doesnt mean its everything.

There are objective reasons why some games are killer apps and some are not, but it's up to someone's opinion to determine which these reasons should be and judge certain statistical facts determine a game's validity of being a killer app.Nintendoes

NO every game has objective reasons not "some" games. No you did not get the point again. In fact that doesnt even really make sense. It cant be objective if its up to someone's opinion. How can you rationalize this in your brain???? So you honestly think its possible for Hello Kitty Island Adventure could be a killer app. Opinion does not determine a killer app alone. Killer apps dont vary from person to person, they are a standard set by the industry. You cant affect it by yourself. can you please understand that there is no point to killer apps if they are different from person to person. The whole point of a killer app is that they stand up from the rest of the games. If these killer apps varied then they would not stand up from the rest but merely be in the minds of fools who do not know what they are talking about.

The way you are claiming killer apps are determined would in fact completely destroy the idea of killer apps.

NO every game has objective reasons not "some" games.
sonic_rusher

It cant be objective if its up to someone's opinion.
sonic_rusher

So you honestly think its possible for Hello Kitty Island Adventure could be a killer app.
sonic_rusher

Opinion does not determine a killer app alone.
sonic_rusher

Killer apps dont vary from person to person,
sonic_rusher

You cant affect it by yourself. can you
sonic_rusher

please understand that there is no point to killer apps if they are different from person to person. The whole point of a killer app is that they stand up from the rest of the games. If these killer apps varied then they would not stand up from the rest but merely be in the minds of fools who do not know what they are talking about.
sonic_rusher

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NO every game has objective reasons not "some" games.
Nintendoes

It cant be objective if its up to someone's opinion.
sonic_rusher

So you honestly think its possible for Hello Kitty Island Adventure could be a killer app.
sonic_rusher

Opinion does not determine a killer app alone.
sonic_rusher

Killer apps dont vary from person to person,
sonic_rusher

You cant affect it by yourself. can you
sonic_rusher

please understand that there is no point to killer apps if they are different from person to person. The whole point of a killer app is that they stand up from the rest of the games. If these killer apps varied then they would not stand up from the rest but merely be in the minds of fools who do not know what they are talking about.
sonic_rusher

No not all games can become killer apps. In fact very few can become killer apps. Its a testament of ignorance to say that any game can become a killer app. Thats like saying the worst player on the team can become MVP because its someone's opinion they are the best. If you wanna become completely subjective, like you seem to love to be cause in this world no one is wrong and that includes so your safe in your little world, then anything is up in the air and no one can function like this. And every game has objective reasons whether or NOT they are killer apps. Also its not just a certain group that decides killer apps, its the INDUSTRY, when is this gonna sink in. Well looking on the bright side at least you are learning a little bit, before you said each person decides killer apps now you say certain cult groups decide it. At least your zooming out the microscope a little bit.

The definition does not differ either because the definition is everything about the game. Thats undisputable because we dont have to decipher bits and pieces we have to look at the balance of the hype over the actual quality of the game, the media coverage, and so many other factors that havent even sunk into your brain yet. Its not one thing like you laughably suggested with SSBB when you said that it has the potential of not being a killer app because it lacks voice chat. Everything is used not bits and pieces just another one of your misguided thoughts that are incorrect. Not to mention it may not be completely objective being that its not a defintie science but its also not completely subjective.

HA your just avoiding the issue. It does not matter if its Hello Kitty or one of those stupid 50 Cent games. So backing you in a corner do you honestly think one of those Barbie games can be a killer app because someone has the opinion that it should be a killer app. Also this time dont answer the question like a politician.

Yes it is decided through subjective, objective, and opinion, the thing Im disputing is this completely laughable hilarious idea individuals decide killer apps. its just so funny that you did not know that the industry decides it. Like I said before its completely contradictory to say killer apps differ from people to people and still call them killer apps. What you are thinking.... How fun or how good a game is can differ from person to person but industry standards are determined BY THE DAMN INDUSTRY.

nO killer apps are not soley on belief my one train of thought friend. They are, like i said before and please do not repeat refutied beliefs, decided by the industry that includes us but only in a very small way. Stop making this so small. A game that has killer app status is a big game and cannot be as you say. The way you see it is just wrong, its too small for one of the fastest growing industries. So you plainly said it does differ from people to people so just give it up. It is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

Killer app is a label not set by one person. Its label set by the industry so you fail. Yes its palced on certain games and maybe its unfair like in the case of Halo 2 but theres nothing you can do about it. Just like this conversation its out of your hands.