My confusion with the Zelda series

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#1 trcrayon
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Ok, I have always been a Nintendo fan, but this is the first time i have really gotten into the Zelda series.

So, I understand the basics like, what the triforce is, the main characters, the roles of the characters, ect...

What I do not understand is the connectivity of the stories. I am so baffled as to why in every game Link reverts back to non-hero status every game. For examlple, In OoT he is summoned by the Deku tree and saves the world. Why in Tp does he have seemingly no recolection of doing so? though Link still has a triforce on his hand. Are the stories at different times using the names "Link and Zelda" to represent "Hero and Princess" Or are they completly different stories but just using the same characters.

My confusion isn't just with those two games, its with the whole series.

Thanks for the help

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#2 deactivated-62cbf5c22ef38
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because is not the same person.

if you have not notice most of teh story start telling teh story of one heroe that in the past save hyrule of the dark,.. or someting by those lines

this is as long as i remember

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#3 Goron_Link
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TP takes place many years after OoT but has the same sort of plot as it.

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#4 trcrayon
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Oh, so i guess my first guess was right. Wow I was almost convinced it was different stories with the same characters.

Is there any huge Zelda fan who can explain it another way?

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#5 chefstubbies
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I can't copy/paste on Firefox for some reason, but go to You-Tube, and search "Zelda Timeline", and the first hit will be a 12 minute long video semi-explaining the Zelda timeline. Check it out, it's pretty interesting.
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#6 deactivated-62cbf5c22ef38
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i have play all games (is just i play OoT a long time ago).. and i`m pretty sure that is just different characters in differents times.

is not the same link.

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#7 trcrayon
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Thanks, but I already watched that, Soooooo confusing. I will give it another try though
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#9 deactivated-62cbf5c22ef38
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Thanks, but I already watched that, Soooooo confusing. I will give it another try thoughtrcrayon

his is refering to thsi one..a nd is pretty good

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SF8Ve2Dk6-0

watch that.. and try to come with exp question.. maybe it would be easy to answer :) i`ll try

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#10 Goron_Link
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In OoT Link comes from a place called Kokihiri(something like that) village where its full of kids. The Deku tree calls him then does the dungeon and finds hes not a kohiri but a normal human. Ganondorf is allies with the King but then betrays him once Zelda gives you the Ocarina of time. You open the door of time then take the master sword. You sleep for 7 years and wake up in a world where Ganondorf rules and everything is different. You must free all the sages (7) to defeat ganondorf.

In TP ganondorf is regenerated from OoT and is a god in the twilight realm. Then the Vanti helps him restore himself so he can take over Hryule again

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#11 deactivated-62cbf5c22ef38
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finally found it.. i knew i had seem something about timeline... is fanmade..

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/general-content/timeline-theory.html

hope taht helps.... ths goron explain it.

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#12 the_leet_kid
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It's hardly ever the same person, although it all takes place in the same world. Just far apart. Not to mention that even the best zelda timelines have their flaws, since games like the NES zelda weren't really created with that in mind.

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#13 Jayesler12
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every Zelda game that comes out is a different story. TP was all about twilight, Oot was about the Orcana flute thing. but just abou every zelda game includes Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. 3 characters = 3 triforces = 3 triangles= tri derrrrrrr lol
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#14 trcrayon
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In OoT Link comes from a place called Kokihiri(something like that) village where its full of kids. The Deku tree calls him then does the dungeon and finds hes not a kohiri but a normal human. Ganondorf is allies with the King but then betrays him once Zelda gives you the Ocarina of time. You open the door of time then take the master sword. You sleep for 7 years and wake up in a world where Ganondorf rules and everything is different. You must free all the sages (7) to defeat ganondorf.

In TP ganondorf is regenerated from OoT and is a god in the twilight realm. Then the Vanti helps him restore himself so he can take over Hryule again

Goron_Link

What do you mean by "ganondorf is regenerated"

Also, can you explain why you even have to deal with Ganondorf in TP, because it seems like he was pu in the game...just to be put in the game. I wish Zant was the final boss

Thanks

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#15 ZumaJones07
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I bet Nintendo's confused too
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[QUOTE="Goron_Link"]

In OoT Link comes from a place called Kokihiri(something like that) village where its full of kids. The Deku tree calls him then does the dungeon and finds hes not a kohiri but a normal human. Ganondorf is allies with the King but then betrays him once Zelda gives you the Ocarina of time. You open the door of time then take the master sword. You sleep for 7 years and wake up in a world where Ganondorf rules and everything is different. You must free all the sages (7) to defeat ganondorf.

In TP ganondorf is regenerated from OoT and is a god in the twilight realm. Then the Vanti helps him restore himself so he can take over Hryule again

trcrayon

What do you mean by "ganondorf is regenerated"

Also, can you explain why you even have to deal with Ganondorf in TP, because it seems like he was pu in the game...just to be put in the game. I wish Zant was the final boss

Thanks

I wish Zant never removed his helmet, but not all wishes come true. He was weird after that. Anyways, in the next game on the wii, they'll be a little more free to play with the plot, like how they did with Majora's Mask. I'm definitely excited.
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#17 killerkop
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I like thinking of it along reincarnation aspects. That link is a different link in body, but he is still the spirit of the hero, same as zelda. Kinda like everytime the Goddesses sense that Ganon or some other evil is going to manifest themselves they make sure to have thier chosen spirts incarnate in time to handle the threat. However, once incarnated, the spirits loose any knowledge or memory of thier purpose, or past history with the same thing.
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#18 LOLhahaDEAD
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Watch GameTrailers.com's Zelda Retrospective. It should explain everything, especially part 6.
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#19 Wintry_Flutist
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There's a storyline, but you have to remember that 1) there are different Links 2) Link can only be the "hero" if Ganon's back with the Triforce of Power, otherwise he is just a guy as anybody else.

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#20 metalisticpain
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Each Zelda game is a story seperate except for direct sequels such as majoras mask.

The do all have links to other games, and timelines can be hypothosised about, however I dont go for the timelines myself, I think nintendo just want things loose and people trying to completely order every game isnt really possible because of contradictions (same as with the bible)

Same Story
Same land
Same names

Different charcters (not the same as names!)
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#21 skelly7483
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People are forgetting Wind Waker which brought you back to Hyrule from Ocarnia in time. Try to look at the game like Ocarnia was kinda like a rebuilding of the series. if you start from there it makes a little more sense. Link is a reincarnated hero. The legend says a hero will come back when the triforce is in evil hands, hence the name Legend of Zelda. Twighlight Princess fits in as another hero, another time, triforce is in trouble again, reincarnate hero, save the world. I wish they would go back to the original story, which I am guessing could be the original Zelda on the NES. I hated the inclusion of the dog in Twilight Princess, finding the bugs were annoying, but it was how they continued the story. They really need to start the series over and have a continuous story to follow, like a trilogy.

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#22 bottomdollar
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There's a storyline, but you have to remember that 1) there are different Links 2) Link can only be the "hero" if Ganon's back with the Triforce of Power, otherwise he is just a guy as anybody else.

Wintry_Flutist

Agreed. Somebody help me, didn't OoT, MM, or WW speak about how all the Links are different heros and the green tunic Link wears signify the hero of that time. I guess in Hyrule, Link is a popular and common name (like Michael or something), although when you start a Zelda name, you can name yourself...

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#23 Arc2012
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I do enjoy timeline theories for Zelda. The way I see it is this: first of all, any game that came before Oot should not be counted into any kind of Timeline theory. Obviously, these games were ment to be spereate stories with different Links, Zeldas, and Ganons, all in different Universes (though, I never played Zelda II, I suppose that one follows the first, but it makes no difference because no other game follows it). This would also include the Oracle games, I think those came out after Oot, but they shouldn't count at all, they have nothing to do with the triforce.

Ok, second, It's obvious that MM is a direct sequel to Oot and that WW is a sequel as well. But they don't seem to flow to well. Split timeline theory seems to make sense here. When in Oot young link goes back into his own time and presumably tells Young Zelda about Ganondorfs betrayal, he is no longer the hero of time, then he does his MM thing. When Adult Link defeats Ganondorf and then disapears, he is considered the hero of time, and there's peace, until evil starts to come back after a while and the whole of Hyrule is flodded (told in WW). Then a new Link is born, I don't think of it as a reincarnation, just a new Link who was choosen by the gods to carry the triforce of courage and the tradition of heros. Then WW happens I'm sure you know all about it. The thing to keep in mind about WW is that at the end of it, they no longer have any triforce power. The Triforce is finally brought together after it had been seperated in Oot when Ganondorf tryed to make his wish on it. Then the King makes his wish and the triforce is returned to the sacred realm. Thus, in any game after this, they wouldn't have the triforce on their hands.

But, and I'm sorry this has gotten really long, in TP they do have the triforce marks (not to mention Ganondorf obviously has the Triforce of Power). You could say that this is because its in the Young Links time line, but the Triforce was never seperated in that time line so it doesn't make sense. There are only two other options: 1. TP is a seperate game and has nothing to do with the timeline of OoT. I like to think this personally, because I didn't like that in TP Link isn't a character, he's just and extention of Midna, the physical part of her that does all the work. Its really her story and has nothing to do with the triforce. Or 2. TP happens after Adult Link in Oot, but before WW. For me, this doesn't make as much sense because Ganondorf, at the end of Oot, curses Adult Link. You think he'd remember a guy like that, but he doesn't even acknowledge Link when he faces him in the end of TP.

Wow, I'm a huge loser.

Edit: ah, forgot my question. So where the hell does TP fit for anyone else?

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#24 aransom
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The Zelda series has too many inconsistencies to make a difinitive timeline.
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#25 BrunoBRS
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there r no connections between zelda games (wind waker and phantom hourglass is the only exception). on TP he has the triforce since he was born, but he never knew what it was all about. didnt u notice his surprise when he realised the triforce was so important when zelda explains things to him?
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#26 dragon7x2k
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Nintendo barely made direct and concrete secuels ofits games because they dont expect that everyone played the last game of the series and would fully understand the story, so when they make a secuel is like a retart and you dont have to understand everything.

In Metal Gear Solid for example, if you dont play every game in series you probably will be los t in the plot.

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#27 Wintry_Flutist
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there r no connections between zelda games (wind waker and phantom hourglass is the only exception). on TP he has the triforce since he was born, but he never knew what it was all about. didnt u notice his surprise when he realised the triforce was so important when zelda explains things to him?BrunoBRS

Absolutely wrong.

MM is a direct sequel of OoT, Aonuma confirmed there's a spli timeline, and TP clearly shows it follows OoT and MM.

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#28 ggali09
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boy there is some long winded answers here, simply put, every generation a new link, zelda, and ganon are born. they each represent a peice of the triforce. if something disrupts the balance of the triforce(its usually ganon) the spirits of the past links, zeldas, and ganons, come to life in these new bodies. as far as when everything takes place, or if there has been the same generation link in 2 games, thats a harder question, but i would say that Oot and MM are the same kid, but Tp is way later because the temple of time is in ruins in Tp
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#29 clarkeyboy21
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Don't worry, neither do I but my friend - Robot_vampire is a pro on zelda and if you message him he'll help you to get to know all that you want to.
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#30 dan543
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Hmmm, there are probably a million theories of the timeline and they can't be explained in the forum. Aonuma has declared thta the timeline is split. You can read many of the greatest theories in zeldalegends.net and maybe in zeldablog (I think it definitely shutdown). There are tons of theories, but I recommend you to read those by the Missing Link. I, personally, like to create my own. You have to observe everything in the games, but I believe that its impossible to do it right know (we need somesort of bridge). Also read articles about the games at landofthelegend.net.