New DS more or less confirmed, Pokemon is most likely launch title

We are not creating "crazy theories". People discuss, just like you do. We are not trying to create a bonfire and burn the heretics; we are just discussing the many possibilities that the future may hold.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="gacs_25"]

Pokemon Red and Blue were released only two months before the Game Boy Color replaced the Game Boy.

I am not saying that a new handheld is going to be released soon, but just because the new Pokémon game is going to be released this year is no guarantee that a new hardware is not coming.

gacs_25

No. The GBC had retail games specifically made for it, ergo, it was a new console. Only a few games released were actually capable of being played on the GB; it essentially rendered the GB useless. This is not the case with the DSi.

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

We are not creating "crazy theories". People discuss, just like you do. We are not trying to create a bonfire and burn the heretics; we are just discussing the many possibilities that the future may hold.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]The DSi is the GBC of this gen.BrunoBRS

No. The GBC had retail games specifically made for it, ergo, it was a new console. Only a few games released were actually capable of being played on the GB; it essentially rendered the GB useless. This is not the case with the DSi.

You don't understand that DS games will STILL be produced even after the DSi Ware store expands with quality titles (which, judging by Nintendo's moves, is FAR from being close). The GBC was NOT a redesign + features; it was a stand-alone console, i.e. a successor.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="gacs_25"]

No. The GBC had retail games specifically made for it, ergo, it was a new console. Only a few games released were actually capable of being played on the GB; it essentially rendered the GB useless. This is not the case with the DSi.

gacs_25

You don't understand that DS games will STILL be produced even after the DSi Ware store expands with quality titles (which, judging by Nintendo's moves, is FAR from being close). The GBC was NOT a redesign + features; it was a stand-alone console, i.e. a successor.

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] not the case YET. but the DSi right now has more than a couple retail games coming exclusively for it or with enhanced versions for it.windsquid9000

You don't understand that DS games will STILL be produced even after the DSi Ware store expands with quality titles (which, judging by Nintendo's moves, is FAR from being close). The GBC was NOT a redesign + features; it was a stand-alone console, i.e. a successor.

No, there will not be any imporant DSi exclusives at stores. It has been 2 years. Not gonna happen.

You are wrong yet again, DLC does not render the normal DS useless; it is just a feature. People can still enjoy the most important flagship titles on the normal DS. GBC was a successor because the most relevant factor are important retail games, THAT'S what changes everything, THAT'S what renders the previous console useless. UNLESS SYSTEM FLAW IS SUDDENLY INCREDIBLE.

DSi =/= GBC

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="gacs_25"]

You don't understand that DS games will STILL be produced even after the DSi Ware store expands with quality titles (which, judging by Nintendo's moves, is FAR from being close). The GBC was NOT a redesign + features; it was a stand-alone console, i.e. a successor.

gacs_25

No, there will not be any imporant DSi exclusives at stores. It has been 2 years. Not gonna happen.

You are wrong yet again, DLC does not render the normal DS useless; it is just a feature. People can still enjoy the most important flagship titles on the normal DS. GBC was a successor because the most relevant factor are important retail games, THAT'S what changes everything, THAT'S what renders the previous console useless. UNLESS SYSTEM FLAW IS SUDDENLY INCREDIBLE.

DSi =/= GBC

What do you mean by two years, as the DSi has been out for less than a year in most places...

Also, they could very well develop new games exclusively for the DSi. It doesn't have to use the camera, it can also use the added memory and power.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="gacs_25"]

You don't understand that DS games will STILL be produced even after the DSi Ware store expands with quality titles (which, judging by Nintendo's moves, is FAR from being close). The GBC was NOT a redesign + features; it was a stand-alone console, i.e. a successor.

gacs_25

No, there will not be any imporant DSi exclusives at stores. It has been 2 years. Not gonna happen.

You are wrong yet again, DLC does not render the normal DS useless; it is just a feature. People can still enjoy the most important flagship titles on the normal DS. GBC was a successor because the most relevant factor are important retail games, THAT'S what changes everything, THAT'S what renders the previous console useless. UNLESS SYSTEM FLAW IS SUDDENLY INCREDIBLE.

DSi =/= GBC

1. SF is just one title. There's bound to be more coming (potentially this and a new Metroid title)

2. Not even a year has passed since the DSi's release (at least not in NA and EU).

3. Games take a while to make and I doubt anyone's in a hurry to make DSi exclusives as it's capable of playing regular DS games.

4. I never said anything about the DSi rendering the DS useless

5. As I just stated, the situations don't have to be identical. My point is that they're similar.

-They both are essentially the same system as their predecessors

-They both are capable of things their predecessors were not

-They both have exclusive games

Given the similarities of the two systems, it's possible to speculate that these recently announced titles will be DSi Exclusives.

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]He wasn't talking about the DSiWare Shop (which already has many quality titles). DSi Exclusive titles sold in stores. Also, the situations don't have to be identical. They're similar enough to where the DSi could be considered the GBC of this gen: It's still a DS It improves upon the previous models It has exclusive retail games (as well as full games from the DSiWare service)windsquid9000

No, there will not be any imporant DSi exclusives at stores. It has been 2 years. Not gonna happen.

You are wrong yet again, DLC does not render the normal DS useless; it is just a feature. People can still enjoy the most important flagship titles on the normal DS. GBC was a successor because the most relevant factor are important retail games, THAT'S what changes everything, THAT'S what renders the previous console useless. UNLESS SYSTEM FLAW IS SUDDENLY INCREDIBLE.

DSi =/= GBC

1. SF is just one title. There's bound to be more coming (potentially this and a new Metroid title)

2. Not even a year has passed since the DSi's release (at least not in NA and EU).

3. Games take a while to make and I doubt anyone's in a hurry to make DSi exclusives as it's capable of playing regular DS games.

4. I never said anything about the DSi rendering the DS useless

5. As I just stated, the situations don't have to be identical. My point is that they're similar.

-They both are essentially the same system as their predecessors

-They both are capable of things their predecessors were not

-They both have exclusive games

Given the similarities of the two systems, it's possible to speculate that these recently announced titles will be DSi Exclusives.

HEY LOOK AT ME YOU GUYS, DO THESE PICTURES MAKE ME SEEM FUNNY, WITTY AND IN TOUCH WITH POPULAR CULTURE?

Oh so now they are just "similar". Boy, oh boy. Watch out because you might bump into a wall if you keep backpedalling like that.

HEY LOOK AT ME YOU GUYS, DO THESE PICTURES MAKE ME SEEM FUNNY, WITTY AND IN TOUCH WITH POPULAR CULTURE?

Oh so now they are just "similar". Boy, oh boy. Watch out because you might bump into a wall if you keep backpedalling like that.gacs_25

Give it a rest. It's not worth getting worked up about :(

The DSi, at this point, only has a few DLC games for it's exclusives, mostly puzzle or brain-training type games, and the only reason they're DSi exclusive is because they're only available through the DSishop, not because they're too powerful to play on the older system. If they were made available, you could download the exact same games with the DS/DSlite download station, exception of course being camera central games.

The reason why mosst of the DSiWare titles would be playable on the DS is because Nintendo only allows the games to be under 20MB. Most DS games are much, much larger than that (usually 32~128MB). Given that the DSi has notably higher specs, there's no doubt that the DSi can do things the other models could not.

The GBC had many full fledged games as exclusives, and they were all fully developed, cartridge based games. It was quite a bit more powerful than the GB pocket, powerful enough to be it's own system. The games you could play on the GBC you couldn't play on the GB, with a few exceptions. The GBC was NOT the same basic system it's predecessor was.

It's still a GameBoy just as the DSi is still a DS. In fact, the difference between the DSi and DS is exponentially greater than that of the GBC and GB.

stEElyDaN909

[QUOTE="stEElyDaN909"]The DSi, at this point, only has a few DLC games for it's exclusives, mostly puzzle or brain-training type games, and the only reason they're DSi exclusive is because they're only available through the DSishop, not because they're too powerful to play on the older system. If they were made available, you could download the exact same games with the DS/DSlite download station, exception of course being camera central games.

The reason why mosst of the DSiWare titles would be playable on the DS is because Nintendo only allows the games to be under 20MB. Most DS games are much, much larger than that (usually 32~128MB). Given that the DSi has notably higher specs, there's no doubt that the DSi can do things the other models could not.

The GBC had many full fledged games as exclusives, and they were all fully developed, cartridge based games. It was quite a bit more powerful than the GB pocket, powerful enough to be it's own system. The games you could play on the GBC you couldn't play on the GB, with a few exceptions. The GBC was NOT the same basic system it's predecessor was.

It's still a GameBoy just as the DSi is still a DS. In fact, the difference between the DSi and DS is exponentially greater than that of the GBC and GB.

windsquid9000

Your point being? The DSi has superior specs to handle things such as the menu, the browser, the music player, the camera, etc. It has been two years and Nintendo has yet to show a game that takes advantage of said "power".

Hardware differences means absolutely nothing. What matters is the way Nintendo markets and sells their consoles. The Game Boy Color was a complete successor to the Game Boy simply because developers, and by proxy the consumers, were forced to abandon the GB in place of the GBC, thus, it never obtained the title of "redesign" (which is the case with the DSi).

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

[QUOTE="stEElyDaN909"]The DSi, at this point, only has a few DLC games for it's exclusives, mostly puzzle or brain-training type games, and the only reason they're DSi exclusive is because they're only available through the DSishop, not because they're too powerful to play on the older system. If they were made available, you could download the exact same games with the DS/DSlite download station, exception of course being camera central games.

The reason why mosst of the DSiWare titles would be playable on the DS is because Nintendo only allows the games to be under 20MB. Most DS games are much, much larger than that (usually 32~128MB). Given that the DSi has notably higher specs, there's no doubt that the DSi can do things the other models could not.

The GBC had many full fledged games as exclusives, and they were all fully developed, cartridge based games. It was quite a bit more powerful than the GB pocket, powerful enough to be it's own system. The games you could play on the GBC you couldn't play on the GB, with a few exceptions. The GBC was NOT the same basic system it's predecessor was.

It's still a GameBoy just as the DSi is still a DS. In fact, the difference between the DSi and DS is exponentially greater than that of the GBC and GB.

gacs_25

Your point being? The DSi has superior specs to handle things such as the menu, the browser, the music player, the camera, etc. It has been two years and Nintendo has yet to show a game that takes advantage of said "power".

Hardware differences means absolutely nothing. What matters is the way Nintendo markets and sells their consoles. The Game Boy Color was a complete successor to the Game Boy simply because developers, and by proxy the consumers, were forced to abandon the GB in place of the GBC, thus, it never obtained the title of "redesign" (which is the case with the DSi).

We're going off topic. All I was trying to say is that the new Pokemon title is more likely to be a DSi Exclusive than a launch title for a new handheld.

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

windsquid9000

Your point being? The DSi has superior specs to handle things such as the menu, the browser, the music player, the camera, etc. It has been two years and Nintendo has yet to show a game that takes advantage of said "power".

Hardware differences means absolutely nothing. What matters is the way Nintendo markets and sells their consoles. The Game Boy Color was a complete successor to the Game Boy simply because developers, and by proxy the consumers, were forced to abandon the GB in place of the GBC, thus, it never obtained the title of "redesign" (which is the case with the DSi).

We're going off topic. All I was trying to say is that the new Pokemon title is more likely to be a DSi Exclusive than a launch title for a new handheld.

All the while we were clearly discussing something else?

Hypothetically speaking, both are quite absurd. However, it makes no sense for Nintendo to please ~16m people, when they could have a huge launch title that will literally force every single Pokémon fan (DS phat, DS Lite, DSi/XL player) to upgrade.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

Your point being? The DSi has superior specs to handle things such as the menu, the browser, the music player, the camera, etc. It has been two years and Nintendo has yet to show a game that takes advantage of said "power".

Hardware differences means absolutely nothing. What matters is the way Nintendo markets and sells their consoles. The Game Boy Color was a complete successor to the Game Boy simply because developers, and by proxy the consumers, were forced to abandon the GB in place of the GBC, thus, it never obtained the title of "redesign" (which is the case with the DSi).

gacs_25

We're going off topic. All I was trying to say is that the new Pokemon title is more likely to be a DSi Exclusive than a launch title for a new handheld.

All the while we were clearly discussing something else?

Hypothetically speaking, both are quite absurd. However, it makes no sense for Nintendo to please ~16m people, when they could have a huge launch title that will literally force every single Pokémon fan (DS phat, DS Lite, DSi/XL player) to upgrade.

As someone else said the game has been confirmed for the DS. I would highly doubt that Nintendo would release a new handheld shortly after the DSi was released. Also the DS has a gigantic userbase and Nintendo would be foolish to abandon them and start all over again with a new handheld.

Scythes777

while i don't think a new DS is coming soon

doing that wouldn't be stupid of Nintendo AT ALL

why?

Nintendo has proven for 20 years with handhelds, they tell the customers where to go, what handheld to buy

They take 3 year old 80 million userbases and replace them with 4 year 100 million userbases and just replaced that with the DSi in one year 15 million

Nintendo always replaces the handheld when its at its top, and does a magnificent job of it and the successor always sells, infact it seems to sell better than the previous handheld

as the GBA sold 80 million, the DS came while GBA was on top and outsold it near 100 million, DSi came out while DS was on top and has sold 12-15 million so far in one year

Summary: Pretty Much, Nintendo does what it wants.

[QUOTE="gacs_25"]

We are not creating "crazy theories". People discuss, just like you do. We are not trying to create a bonfire and burn the heretics; we are just discussing the many possibilities that the future may hold.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]The DSi is the GBC of this gen.BrunoBRS

No. The GBC had retail games specifically made for it, ergo, it was a new console. Only a few games released were actually capable of being played on the GB; it essentially rendered the GB useless. This is not the case with the DSi.

err, Gacs25 the DSi already has exclusive games at retail, has many more coming out, and has more than enough DSiware games to match up with the amount of releases on GBC in its first year (if you compare them side by side amount of releases in year one, i imagine) isn't there 100 DSiware titles? 60?

Nintendo just did a soft launch on the DSi, just like they did with the DS

Launch it and ride off old software (DSi used DS games like Pokemon Plat, Mario & Luigi, while DS used GBA games like Mario & Luigi, Minish Cap, Pokemon) with a few new console-specific games that don't really test its new ability

Example, Nintendo barely pushed any notable DS-centric titles out on it in 2004/2005

Advance Wars was straight up GBAish, Mario & Luigi too, Mario 64 was a port, it wasn't until 2006 and end of 2005 with Nintendogs, Metroid Hunters, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS that used WiFi, better 3d graphics, etc to show off what a DS could really do

I imagine thats what they will do with DSi retail games

I imagine once nintendo reveals what they're releasing at retail only for DSi, the first may be DS games with DSi features slapped on, but they will come out with more DSi-proper titles given time to develope them

Of course Nintendo is making DSi only games to sell at retail, they have a separate DSi dev kit.

I referenced the GBC as justification of the possibility that the new Pokemon title would be a DSi exclusive. I'm ignoring the rest of your post as it's not worth discussing.windsquid9000

I am so sorry, sir. Surely there must be something I can do to please you, oh mighty forum member.

err, Gacs25 the DSi already has exclusive games at retail, has many more coming out, and has more than enough DSiware games to match up with the amount of releases on GBC in its first year (if you compare them side by side amount of releases in year one, i imagine) isn't there 100 DSiware titles? 60?

Nintendo just did a soft launch on the DSi, just like they did with the DS

Launch it and ride off old software (DSi used DS games like Pokemon Plat, Mario & Luigi, while DS used GBA games like Mario & Luigi, Minish Cap, Pokemon) with a few new console-specific games that don't really test its new ability

Example, Nintendo barely pushed any notable DS-centric titles out on it in 2004/2005

Advance Wars was straight up GBAish, Mario & Luigi too, Mario 64 was a port, it wasn't until 2006 and end of 2005 with Nintendogs, Metroid Hunters, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS that used WiFi, better 3d graphics, etc to show off what a DS could really do

I imagine thats what they will do with DSi retail games

I imagine once nintendo reveals what they're releasing at retail only for DSi, the first may be DS games with DSi features slapped on, but they will come out with more DSi-proper titles given time to develope them

Of course Nintendo is making DSi only games to sell at retail, they have a separate DSi dev kit.

darth-pyschosis

We are not discussing DSiWare games. The fact that there are only 2 full-fledged games (1 being a port) in the entire sea of clocks, mini-games, mini-minigames goes to show that quantity doesn't mean quality.

Shantae and Fieldrunners are the only upcoming DSiWare games to look forward to. What does this mean? We get a quality game every 10 months? Boy that sounds promising.

The DS had a soft launch? Pokémon Dash? WarioWare: Touched? Advance Wars apparently being unworthy even though it received universal acclaim? M&L a launch title?

Super Mario 64 being a port? I think you have your terms mixed; it was a remake. Using a familiar face was just part of the deal.

I suppose Nintendo must be getting cold feet (for more than 14 months) because there is not a single actual game on retail for the DSi; they are all silly gimmicks.

The lack of support from Nintendo is by proxy driving away third parties as well.

We are not discussing DSiWare games. The fact that there are only 2 full-fledged games (1 being a port) in the entire sea of clocks, mini-games, mini-minigames goes to show that quantity doesn't mean quality.

Shantae and Fieldrunners are the only upcoming DSiWare games to look forward to. What does this mean? We get a quality game every 10 months? Boy that sounds promising.

The DS had a soft launch? Pokémon Dash? WarioWare: Touched? Advance Wars apparently being unworthy even though it received universal acclaim? M&L a launch title?

Super Mario 64 being a port? I think you have your terms mixed; it was a remake. Using a familiar face was just part of the deal.

I suppose Nintendo must be getting cold feet (for more than 14 months) because there is not a single actual game on retail for the DSi; they are all silly gimmicks.

The lack of support from Nintendo is by proxy driving away third parties as well.

gacs_25

There's 33 titles scoring above 8.0 and 57 titles above 7.0. As for "full-fledged" games, there's about 14 (single games broken up into many parts/series are counted as one game). Also, DSiWare's ratio of good:bad games is much better than the DS'.

They need to make up something more than the DS. It keeps getting more and more re-creations and I'm ready to see something new!!

Pokemon as a rumored launch title. :roll: Didn't see that one coming. I'd much rather see a sequel to New Super Mario Bros. Give the whole Pokemon thing a rest for once. I thought that whole fad died out at the beginning of this decade when the 4th Pokemon movie bombed in the theaters.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]I referenced the GBC as justification of the possibility that the new Pokemon title would be a DSi exclusive. I'm ignoring the rest of your post as it's not worth discussing.gacs_25

I am so sorry, sir. Surely there must be something I can do to please you, oh mighty forum member.

err, Gacs25 the DSi already has exclusive games at retail, has many more coming out, and has more than enough DSiware games to match up with the amount of releases on GBC in its first year (if you compare them side by side amount of releases in year one, i imagine) isn't there 100 DSiware titles? 60?

Nintendo just did a soft launch on the DSi, just like they did with the DS

Launch it and ride off old software (DSi used DS games like Pokemon Plat, Mario & Luigi, while DS used GBA games like Mario & Luigi, Minish Cap, Pokemon) with a few new console-specific games that don't really test its new ability

Example, Nintendo barely pushed any notable DS-centric titles out on it in 2004/2005

Advance Wars was straight up GBAish, Mario & Luigi too, Mario 64 was a port, it wasn't until 2006 and end of 2005 with Nintendogs, Metroid Hunters, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS that used WiFi, better 3d graphics, etc to show off what a DS could really do

I imagine thats what they will do with DSi retail games

I imagine once nintendo reveals what they're releasing at retail only for DSi, the first may be DS games with DSi features slapped on, but they will come out with more DSi-proper titles given time to develope them

Of course Nintendo is making DSi only games to sell at retail, they have a separate DSi dev kit.

darth-pyschosis

We are not discussing DSiWare games. The fact that there are only 2 full-fledged games (1 being a port) in the entire sea of clocks, mini-games, mini-minigames goes to show that quantity doesn't mean quality.

Shantae and Fieldrunners are the only upcoming DSiWare games to look forward to. What does this mean? We get a quality game every 10 months? Boy that sounds promising.

The DS had a soft launch? Pokémon Dash? WarioWare: Touched? Advance Wars apparently being unworthy even though it received universal acclaim? M&L a launch title?

Super Mario 64 being a port? I think you have your terms mixed; it was a remake. Using a familiar face was just part of the deal.

I suppose Nintendo must be getting cold feet (for more than 14 months) because there is not a single actual game on retail for the DSi; they are all silly gimmicks.

The lack of support from Nintendo is by proxy driving away third parties as well.

You think Shantae and Fieldrunners are the only good ones, but that your opinoin and not everyones. clearly like the other poster, critics stongly disagree with you. DSiware has many A/AA games from critics.

Games like Mario & Luigi: PiT, Advance Wars: DS aren't bad, but tell me did they use the whole of the DS?

Like how M&L"BiS uses touch controls, and more? Like how Days of Ruin uses online chat and battles?

Plz. a lot of the early DS games in 2005 with few exceptions were GBA concepts with the DS named slapped on. It wasn't until nearly 1 1/2 years after DS came out that we saw games truly take advantage of the DS like in Prime Hunters, Kart DS.

How would Nintendo get cold feet? The DSi has sold around 15 million in one year, its outselling the DS lite, heck wasn't it the fastest selling nintendo console (including home) for a while?

Mario 64, yes techincally was remade, but i doubt it took the same effort as making a brand new ground up DS 3d mario adventure would have. i mean they had a majority of the levels/content (120 of 150 stars)

i'd think this "new platform" nintendo is gonna show at GDC (or its rumored) will be DSi games (20%) or the Vitality Sensor (70%) i'd say 10% chance its a DS2 or anything along those lines