Nintendo Only Trusts The Casual Gamer, They're Smart Like That

The casual gamer is the only person that Nintendo can trust

Heck, they've built their entire gaming empire from the Famicom/NES onward aimed directly at the casual market so they have a good record together.

Now I know that "some" people say things like "Oh Nintendo abandoned the hardcore" or the even better "Nintendo needs more hardcore titles like Mario and Zelda" but come on, come onnnnnnnn

Nintendo is a casual company and it makes games that the casual wants, even Mario and Zelda

Know that person that says "Oh Nintendo needs to deliver a hardcore game like Zelda at so and so game show"?
They're the person who started playing the series when they were 4 years old. See where I'm going with this? They want a game that can be mastered by a 4 year old saying that will satisfy the hardcore. The game they played when they were 4.

Now this is just me thinking out loud but maybe, just maybe that means it's a title for casuals. Just throwing that out there

And the "hardcoreZ" gamers that love the FPS and "mature" titles? Oh Nintendo can't trust those guys at all. Every single time they want to take on a title from a different direction they get bombarded with "Abandon the hardcore" and "kiddy"

Know what happens when Nintendo trusted the hardcoreZ? The Gamecube happened (a moment of silence for the fallen)

The casuals are always going to be there buying software and they're going to have varied tastes. Some are going to like platformers and some are going to like puzzle games, some will choose sports games and some might even......gasp....pick mini games

The "hardcore-Z" gamers that say those witty things like "oh my Wii is collecting dust"? They'll show up at the door like Pavlov's pooch every time a Zelda or Mario title is announced.

They're only good for Nintendo here and there and that's fine, Nintendo is smart enough to understand that

The casual, oh yeah baby, that's where it's at if you want to stick around for decades.

Everyone sees this right?

I don't buy the crap on hardcore VS casual. I want to play more original games.

Yeah i agree with you! Mario and Zelda aren't Hardcore! My mom Plays Zelda and Mario...She won't touch the Wii unless one of those come out!

Everyone sees this right?

Jaysonguy

MARIO AND ZELDA ARE ON THE WIIgamerdude970

Spot on brother, indeed they are

You sure called that one

MARIO AND ZELDA ARE ON THE WIIgamerdude970

no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube eraAdmiralWolverin

Oh yeah, those fans that helped the Gamecube be the number one console last gen, oh I mean the number tw, oooo....yeah that other number

Whew, those guys really helped Nintendo I tell'ya, not buying any of that software and all that

They are an asset, don't let anyone fool ya, those guys? Yeah they're like amazing

as long as it's a game i'm sure i'll like, i'll play it...

stop with all this hardcore nonsense... why can't everyone just call themselves gamers? hardcore... that's only used for all those R-18 videos we see in the internet... and yeah.. it's hardcore when it becomes popular and that a lot of people play them... want proof? here are all definitions of hardcore (on the internet at least, go grab a dictionary if you have one)

1. unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated: a hard-core segregationist.
2. pruriently explicit; graphically depicted: hard-core pornography.
3. being so without apparent change or remedy; chronic: hard-core inflation; hard-core unemployment.

read-on from the other sources... but they're basically the same... except for that punk rock one

wow the most biggest pile of crap from jasonguy ever. Its just getting pathetic now. Nintendo has only gone casual since Wii. Everything before was hardcore to semi casual. Please don't quote me jason guy b/c i won't come back inside this thread.rgame1

Well we'll miss you participation

As for the whole casual thing, the NES came with a toy robot

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube eraJaysonguy

Oh yeah, those fans that helped the Gamecube be the number one console last gen, oh I mean the number tw, oooo....yeah that other number

Whew, those guys really helped Nintendo I tell'ya, not buying any of that software and all that

They are an asset, don't let anyone fool ya, those guys? Yeah they're like amazing

i think this one's better but this one describes all of us...... but all the same... i can't find any definition hardcore game... i think M and AO titles are all hardcore games... :lol: want hardcore? try those AO rated games...

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube eraAdmiralWolverin

Oh yeah, those fans that helped the Gamecube be the number one console last gen, oh I mean the number tw, oooo....yeah that other number

Whew, those guys really helped Nintendo I tell'ya, not buying any of that software and all that

They are an asset, don't let anyone fool ya, those guys? Yeah they're like amazing

How did they stab them in the back?

They offered Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc last gen and they're releasing better versions this generation

They made the Wii the only console that's 100% backward compatible, they made their controllers work on the Wii and they allowed them to keep all their games saves and use them in the new hardware.

So what did they do that was so bad, keep their Gamecube investment from being worthless?

Nintendo hasn't really abandon or leaned heavily toward either. If anyone looks at the wide variety of titles they have it's very diverse. The only genre Nintendo has abandon is the "mature rated" games genre. Using a Zelda game on NES as an analogy is a bit faulty since games back then were considerably easier, plus I know a few 7 and 8 year old that are solid at Halo.umcommon

As for the whole casual thing, the NES came with a toy robot

Jaysonguy

And the "hardcoreZ" gamers that love the FPS and "mature" titles? Oh Nintendo can't trust those guys at all. Every single time they want to take on a title from a different direction they get bombarded with "Abandon the hardcore" and "kiddy"

Know what happens when Nintendo trusted the hardcoreZ? The Gamecube happened (a moment of silence for the fallen)

The "hardcore-Z" gamers that say those witty things like "oh my Wii is collecting dust"? They'll show up at the door like Pavlov's pooch every time a Zelda or Mario title is announced.

Jaysonguy

Oh man... statements like these are what keeps me somewhat optimistic about the future of gaming. SOMEBODY understands what is going on around here! It's become so insanely easy to jump on the "blame Nintendo for everything" bandwagon that most people seem to ignore what took place just a few years ago. It hasn't been that long since people were so hard on the GameCube and Nintendo for being "kiddy," "milking its franchises," and "not listening to its fans." Nintendo did a lot of things to make the GameCube more appealing to the "hardcore" crowd, and most of those deeds were largely ignored because those very same people were only interested in trashing the system every chance they got (and there were quite a few of those over the years). Nintendo did what they thought was the only logical thing to do with the Wii, and it's paying off even better than they had hoped for. Heck, if it was up to the "hardcoreZ" of the world, Nintendo would probably very well be toast right now.

Who knew that the Wii would go years in consistenly low stock at most retailers because the systems were being bought faster than they could be sufficiently supplied? Who could have seen a game like Wii Fit outsell GTAIV on both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 combined? Nintendo couldn't have done these things if it didn't have a more-diverse, and quite frankly, a more willing userbase to sell its products to. The only thing the "hardcore gamers" have done this gen is be skeptical and count out the company and every original concept it has come up with, insisting that trying to reach a new crowd is a shortcut to becoming the next Sega. Meanwhile, the reality has been that while a number of publishers and developers are going under and while the typical big-name title shows up for a month and is quickly forgotten about, Nintendo's stronger than ever and its big games are always among the top of the charts. I find the fact that Nintendo hasn't had to rely on it's established properties to survive this gen to be not only shocking, but in truth, very encouraging.

I'm going to be honest. It was tough to find something to add to the original post, so I hope this post is something that ends up worthwhile in the end. I'm just glad that Nintendo hasn't let the whole "hardcore vs. casual" thing get to collective heads of everyone working there, and that they seem very willing to follow its own path and not one that most people are suggesting for them right now.

[QUOTE="umcommon"]Nintendo hasn't really abandon or leaned heavily toward either. If anyone looks at the wide variety of titles they have it's very diverse. The only genre Nintendo has abandon is the "mature rated" games genre. Using a Zelda game on NES as an analogy is a bit faulty since games back then were considerably easier, plus I know a few 7 and 8 year old that are solid at Halo.young80s

All I have to say on this matter is, A hit dog will holler.

[QUOTE="young80s"][QUOTE="umcommon"]Nintendo hasn't really abandon or leaned heavily toward either. If anyone looks at the wide variety of titles they have it's very diverse. The only genre Nintendo has abandon is the "mature rated" games genre. Using a Zelda game on NES as an analogy is a bit faulty since games back then were considerably easier, plus I know a few 7 and 8 year old that are solid at Halo.umcommon

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]yeah, it was really nice to go and stab those people in the back, gamecube still sold just under 24 million which is more than the ps3 has sold, it wouldnt have been that hard to improve those numbers, they couldve kept this motion control, which i like, and even their marketing strategy just as long as they made the games which defined them, but no we get one mario, one metroid and one brawl and then nintendo's satisfied its old fans apparently, when people you support someone in their darkest days and then they turn around and tell you that theyve found new people and dont like you anymore, it's a pretty ish thing to doJaysonguy

How did they stab them in the back?

They offered Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc last gen and they're releasing better versions this generation

They made the Wii the only console that's 100% backward compatible, they made their controllers work on the Wii and they allowed them to keep all their games saves and use them in the new hardware.

So what did they do that was so bad, keep their Gamecube investment from being worthless?

mario - fair enough, that was a nice thing they did (though they still felt the need to add the spring suit)

zelda - a cube game, delayed by a year "for the fans" even though it was finished, obviously not cause they had no faith in cube fans and wanted to redefine themselves

metroid - easiest of the 3 by far but i guess still a nice thing

mario kart - a 12 player online gimmick, the ds version was miles better

except for battalion wars, that's all their "games", unless mario party counts as more than sellout shovelware? backwards compatible is nice sure, but i can play gamecube games on my gamecube

id rather play wii games on my wii, if that's alright

face it, the only good game that's better than the gamecube iteration they've released this gen is mario galaxy, everything else was toned down to appeal to people who cant play videogames - like the way that brawl plays a helluva lot slower than melee

unless they released another good game in 2008, they havent done a decent game in over a year

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]yeah, it was really nice to go and stab those people in the back, gamecube still sold just under 24 million which is more than the ps3 has sold, it wouldnt have been that hard to improve those numbers, they couldve kept this motion control, which i like, and even their marketing strategy just as long as they made the games which defined them, but no we get one mario, one metroid and one brawl and then nintendo's satisfied its old fans apparently, when people you support someone in their darkest days and then they turn around and tell you that theyve found new people and dont like you anymore, it's a pretty ish thing to doAdmiralWolverin

How did they stab them in the back?

They offered Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc last gen and they're releasing better versions this generation

They made the Wii the only console that's 100% backward compatible, they made their controllers work on the Wii and they allowed them to keep all their games saves and use them in the new hardware.

So what did they do that was so bad, keep their Gamecube investment from being worthless?

mario - fair enough, that was a nice thing they did (though they still felt the need to add the spring suit)

zelda - a cube game, delayed by a year "for the fans" even though it was finished, obviously not cause they had no faith in cube fans and wanted to redefine themselves

metroid - easiest of the 3 by far but i guess still a nice thing

mario kart - a 12 player online gimmick, the ds version was miles better

except for battalion wars, that's all their "games", unless mario party counts as more than sellout shovelware? backwards compatible is nice sure, but i can play gamecube games on my gamecube

id rather play wii games on my wii, if that's alright

face it, the only good game that's better than the gamecube iteration they've released this gen is mario galaxy, everything else was toned down to appeal to people who cant play videogames - like the way that brawl plays a helluva lot slower than melee

unless they released another good game in 2008, they havent done a decent game in over a year

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

How did they stab them in the back?

They offered Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc last gen and they're releasing better versions this generation

They made the Wii the only console that's 100% backward compatible, they made their controllers work on the Wii and they allowed them to keep all their games saves and use them in the new hardware.

So what did they do that was so bad, keep their Gamecube investment from being worthless?

young80s

mario - fair enough, that was a nice thing they did (though they still felt the need to add the spring suit)

zelda - a cube game, delayed by a year "for the fans" even though it was finished, obviously not cause they had no faith in cube fans and wanted to redefine themselves

metroid - easiest of the 3 by far but i guess still a nice thing

mario kart - a 12 player online gimmick, the ds version was miles better

except for battalion wars, that's all their "games", unless mario party counts as more than sellout shovelware? backwards compatible is nice sure, but i can play gamecube games on my gamecube

id rather play wii games on my wii, if that's alright

face it, the only good game that's better than the gamecube iteration they've released this gen is mario galaxy, everything else was toned down to appeal to people who cant play videogames - like the way that brawl plays a helluva lot slower than melee

unless they released another good game in 2008, they havent done a decent game in over a year

[QUOTE="young80s"][QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]

mario - fair enough, that was a nice thing they did (though they still felt the need to add the spring suit)

zelda - a cube game, delayed by a year "for the fans" even though it was finished, obviously not cause they had no faith in cube fans and wanted to redefine themselves

metroid - easiest of the 3 by far but i guess still a nice thing

mario kart - a 12 player online gimmick, the ds version was miles better

except for battalion wars, that's all their "games", unless mario party counts as more than sellout shovelware? backwards compatible is nice sure, but i can play gamecube games on my gamecube

id rather play wii games on my wii, if that's alright

face it, the only good game that's better than the gamecube iteration they've released this gen is mario galaxy, everything else was toned down to appeal to people who cant play videogames - like the way that brawl plays a helluva lot slower than melee

unless they released another good game in 2008, they havent done a decent game in over a year

umcommon

I wouldn't be as frustrated at Nintendo if many of their games weren't significantly worse than their predecessors,and if they bothered releasing more games (with the same renowned quality as their predecessors).VGobbsesser

hate all you want... what's one guy going to do with their money? :lol: just kidding... what's wrong with games that are easy to pick up? i mean... these "casual" gamers that you speak of, may be the ones who you play with online next gen, or maybe even next time.. :lol: ....

it's good that they have a huge user base now... all they have to do is not lose them, and take them next gen, and get them to play the games that "hardcore gamers" play... who wouldn't want the console that they own sell well?

these "casual" gamers play everything appealing to them... you'll be surprised how many "casual" gamers finally got to play zelda from VC and actually liked it...

i honestly don't know, :lol: but i think there are people like that... because the wii is in, they buy it... then every wii owner talks about this "hardcore" game and that "hardcore" game... then they buy it... now they become "hardcore" gamers... hoorah for them! :lol:

honestly, I wasn't much of a gamer... i only play korean MMORPG's for fun... some MMO music game.... (o2jam for your curiosity).. diner dash.. little starcraft there.. a little C&C here... but not really serious gaming.. then i found out about the wii... i remembered when i was 5... i liked zelda because he wears green and uses a bow... we had it on our NES... but i think the cart was broken... just keeps freezing... only game i played was super mario bros 3 and never even reached world 2....

i just got my wii last april... and mostly i play zelda and mario... others too but not that dedicated to those games for now... one at a time... one at a time...

now.. would you call me a casual gamer? i think i am... i spend most of my time watching movies rather than playing games... so not really dedicated to gaming... just... gaming when i feel bored... now that's casual...

:lol: i helped in making the company that you love rich.. :lol: and i'm playing all kinds of games... may it be mature or kiddie or something, as long as i like it.. i'm fine with it...

so hate me now :lol:

[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]I wouldn't be as frustrated at Nintendo if many of their games weren't significantly worse than their predecessors,and if they bothered releasing more games (with the same renowned quality as their predecessors).BoloTheGreat

lol

Jason, instead of spending a lot of hours posting pointless threads like this one play games... please

or study a little moreto improve your grades,then your parents will buy you more games!! :)(I think you're 14 years old)

but stop wasting your time...

hansolo14

Is it me or do his Wii defence threads get more and more rambling by the day, this one makes little sense to me. So basically the casual gamers..... aren't casual gamers and will always buy loads of games of different types and genres. :?

I's it me or does that sound more like what people would call a 'Hardcore' gamer? The new audience Nintendo has managed to get the attention of is fickle and sporadic, many of these 'trustworthy casuals' bought the Wii as a Christmas gadget like a swing-ball set or a karaoke machine, i don't think you grasp the nature of the Wii's popularity, its captured the public imagination but what if gaming goes out of style? The people who always WILL buy games are the "HardcoreZ" as you put it, like you or me who genuinely love gaming and therefore want high quality titles. Something the Wii managed to criminally under-deliver in from early 2008 until about a month ago.

WE buy the most games, not this mythical new audience. We as shuch should feel entitled to have good quality games not made for mas market simplicity.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]I wouldn't be as frustrated at Nintendo if many of their games weren't significantly worse than their predecessors,and if they bothered releasing more games (with the same renowned quality as their predecessors).young80s

The casuals move this industry, is always like that

no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesAdmiralWolverin

And Jayson your one to talk about the so called hardcore gamers only want Mario and Zelda because you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to software support. Sepewrath

Wha? My 70 something games and the ability to point at a game I want and get it?

Would you like to explain why Nintendo hates people having the ability to get software?

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] And Jayson your one to talk about the so called hardcore gamers only want Mario and Zelda because you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to software support. Jaysonguy

You have some interesting points, but as always it comes with dogmas and extremes. NES was amazing. It pretty much encompassed all types of games. To say it was just a casual console is dead wrong. Nintendo and third parties both released a lot of everthing.

To say that Mario and Zelda are hardcore or casual is a complete misunderstanding of those series. One of the reasons SMG is so great is that it appeals and satisifies both types of gamers on so many levels. They are NOT hardcore and they are NOT casual.

Next to suggest that Nintendo finally attempted hardcore gaming in the GC era is wrong as well. They did not do much different from the other generations except make their console less appealing. All their games, were in the same fashion as before, if anything more geared toward a wider audience. You say the GC did bad because it tried to be "hardcore" but it did bad because it Nintendo made a bunch of stupid decisions. How is having virtually zero online hardcore? How is making your console look like a plastic toy hardcore? How is cutting your disc space in half hardcore? How is not having basic DVD playback which was all the rage for hardcore gamers on consoles those days, hardcore? How is making your controllers have less buttons hardcore? How is constant isolation from third party deals save a few games hardcore? How is library gaps and droughts hardcore?

Please explain how the GC was so hardcore and therefore failed where the NES, SNES, and N64 were casual? All the systems preceeding the GC had ten times the hardcore tendencies. So please provide real evidence or its just anther thread to get under people's skins.

by the way, twilight princess is a cube that delayed by a year cause cube fans werent good enough for them, so they made it a wii launch title as well they never cease to astound meAdmiralWolverin

On the thread itself, I have to say I agree. People just always have to find a way to complain, and it's those ones who think they are the elite gamers that think they need to make up for the fact that they don't enjoy a game unless they can call it "teh hardcorez". It's people like that that are closet Nintendog players. :P