Nintendo Only Trusts The Casual Gamer, They're Smart Like That

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesintro94

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"] by the way, twilight princess is a cube that delayed by a year cause cube fans werent good enough for them, so they made it a wii launch title as well they never cease to astound meSoraX64

On the thread itself, I have to say I agree. People just always have to find a way to complain, and it's those ones who think they are the elite gamers that think they need to make up for the fact that they don't enjoy a game unless they can call it "teh hardcorez". It's people like that that are closet Nintendog players. :P

I'd like someone to properly define "casual" and "hardcore" to me....without resorting to generalizations.

there is no casual and there is no hardcore. there are only people who play games.teknic1200

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] And Jayson your one to talk about the so called hardcore gamers only want Mario and Zelda because you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to software support. Jaysonguy

Wha? My 70 something games and the ability to point at a game I want and get it?

Would you like to explain why Nintendo hates people having the ability to get software?

no, it was finished by the end of 2005 all they did in that year was port it to the wiiAdmiralWolverin

I'd like someone to properly define "casual" and "hardcore" to me....without resorting to generalizations.

VGobbsesser

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"] no, it was finished by the end of 2005 all they did in that year was port it to the wiiSoraX64

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] And Jayson your one to talk about the so called hardcore gamers only want Mario and Zelda because you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to software support. Jaysonguy

Wha? My 70 something games and the ability to point at a game I want and get it?

Would you like to explain why Nintendo hates people having the ability to get software?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] And Jayson your one to talk about the so called hardcore gamers only want Mario and Zelda because you are one of the worst offenders, when it comes to software support. Sepewrath

Wha? My 70 something games and the ability to point at a game I want and get it?

Would you like to explain why Nintendo hates people having the ability to get software?

You have totally not been reading the boards

FEBRUARY 6th 2008

Thank you very much Jayson. I completely agree.:D

how exactly can you point at a game and get it. Ah yes rich parents. Not everyone has this luxury and can't be expected to buy everything with somewhat attractive box art at their will. Some of us have to wait for the exceptional games to make the best with the money they havesnowman6251

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]how exactly can you point at a game and get it. Ah yes rich parents. Not everyone has this luxury and can't be expected to buy everything with somewhat attractive box art at their will. Some of us have to wait for the exceptional games to make the best with the money they haveAlexSays

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]how exactly can you point at a game and get it. Ah yes rich parents. Not everyone has this luxury and can't be expected to buy everything with somewhat attractive box art at their will. Some of us have to wait for the exceptional games to make the best with the money they haveAlexSays

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"] what they really mean is more time to slap on wii controls and add in some wii gimmicks i played that game in 2005, they changed nothing to do with the engine, polish or graphics in that year just look at half the blurry texturesSoraX64

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Wha? My 70 something games and the ability to point at a game I want and get it?

Would you like to explain why Nintendo hates people having the ability to get software?

You have totally not been reading the boards

FEBRUARY 6th 2008

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"] I'm not talking about just buying games Jayson, I'm talking about how you make it your personal mission to attack anything that doesn't habe 10 years of history behind it. You have either completely bashed or passive aggresively bashed every new IP that has hit the Wii. But things like the one millionth port of RE1 don't bother you at all. I would like to see you for once use that strange ability that you have to actually get people to listen to the typical nonsense you spew around here to get them to go after these megapublshers who live on your 10yr old libraries. Sepewrath

You have totally not been reading the boards

FEBRUARY 6th 2008

Yes, and when I wrote that the Wii wasn't even a year and a half old

If the Wii didn't have ports back then it would have a ton of missing titles. That time has passed

Plus the Resident Evil games on rails aren't remakes

This thread means nothing if you can't even defend it. I still do not see how the GC was hardcore where its predecessors were not.

Nintendo doesn't ONLY trust the casual gamer. But you're right to an extent. Nintendo wanted to try something new with Wii Music, but all these hardcorez gamers started crying "It's casual! Nintendo is abandoning us! Bleeeh!". Totally over-reacting. Most people who gave it an unbiased chance found it to be a surprisingly deep game. When Nintendo made Wind Waker everyone freaked out and was like "it looks like a cartoon! Nintendo is ruining Zelda! Whaaa!". Turned out to be one of the greatest games ever made. You're right in the fact that casual gamers are less biased, and are more willing to try new things. They also don't have that annoying "message board" influence to deterr them.

Nintendo knows about how to cater to their fans-- Punch-Out!! is proof of that. But they also know how to make their games appeal to a broad audience, which is why they're filthy rich.

there is no casual and there is no hardcore. there are only people who play games.teknic1200

actually is on 17 million,And critics consider it an overall better game than double dash. Check ign,gamespot,metacritics...Almost none dares to say otherwise.And players scores agree that Mkart wii was better than double dash. Not to mention the game sold more on wii than Halo 3 or Grand theft auto 4. 17 million and growing. That is, casual or hardcore , a pure game.Not party no wi fit. That means over 30% percent of Wiis consumers are willing to buy true games besides or instead of party sholveware. And that 30% alone is as big if not bigger than the 90% percent of other consoles TOTAL consumers. intro94

Well Jaysonguy, once again you make bullcrap posts. Anyway your statements are wrong as usual. True, Nintendo is saying if the core players don't want to buy our system then we will market to a different crowd. Mario and Zelda can be enjoyed by both types of players, but Nintendo did drop the ball as far as veteran Nintendo players are concerned. When a veteran gamer buys a new console from a company they have expectations of what games will come to that system like games that staple franchises like Starfox, F-zero, Pilotwings, ect. None of which have made it to Wii yet and is rather disappointing. Who made the whole harcore gamer as an FPS nut? Nintendo failed to deliver the goods last year and while this year so far has been better, they still don't look like they will have that much.

[QUOTE="intro94"]actually is on 17 million,And critics consider it an overall better game than double dash. Check ign,gamespot,metacritics...Almost none dares to say otherwise.And players scores agree that Mkart wii was better than double dash. Not to mention the game sold more on wii than Halo 3 or Grand theft auto 4. 17 million and growing. That is, casual or hardcore , a pure game.Not party no wi fit. That means over 30% percent of Wiis consumers are willing to buy true games besides or instead of party sholveware. And that 30% alone is as big if not bigger than the 90% percent of other consoles TOTAL consumers. AdmiralWolverin

no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesAdmiralWolverin

Yes, and when I wrote that the Wii wasn't even a year and a half old

If the Wii didn't have ports back then it would have a ton of missing titles. That time has passed

Plus the Resident Evil games on rails aren't remakesJaysonguy

So your saying that now, given that we get original games like No More Heroes, Madworld, The Conduit, Red Steel 2, Rabbids Go Home, Monster Hunter 3 etc we done need things like Klona, Resident Evil 1 and Rygar right? So lets see you make some topics calling out companies likeCapcom for having 3x as many ports than they have original material. And playing the same characters, in the same environments, following the same general story, figting the same enemies, sounds like a remake if I ever saw one.

come to think of it....Has Nintendo themselves, ever made a game that a 6 yr old couldn't pick up and play?

I can't think of one that someone couldn't play (unless they didn't know how to read).

The unintelligent are the best market out there!

come to think of it....Has Nintendo themselves, ever made a game that a 6 yr old couldn't pick up and play?

I can't think of one that someone couldn't play (unless they didn't know how to read).

The unintelligent are the best market out there!

danger_ranger95

come to think of it....Has Nintendo themselves, ever made a game that a 6 yr old couldn't pick up and play?

I can't think of one that someone couldn't play (unless they didn't know how to read).

The unintelligent are the best market out there!

danger_ranger95

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Yes, and when I wrote that the Wii wasn't even a year and a half old

If the Wii didn't have ports back then it would have a ton of missing titles. That time has passed

Plus the Resident Evil games on rails aren't remakesSepewrath

So your saying that now, given that we get original games like No More Heroes, Madworld, The Conduit, Red Steel 2, Rabbids Go Home, Monster Hunter 3 etc we done need things like Klona, Resident Evil 1 and Rygar right? So lets see you make some topics calling out companies likeCapcom for having 3x as many ports than they have original material. And playing the same characters, in the same environments, following the same general story, figting the same enemies, sounds like a remake if I ever saw one.

I've made tons of threads on the Resident Evil franchise

The only good games we get have been the two on rails games because it's all new content, I don't want to see Resident Evil 0,1,2,3,etc on the Wii because you can play them all right there from the Gamecube

Klonoa is a bargain game that the original can't be played on the console so that one doesn't drive me nuts

Heck, I'm up at arms with Nintendo because of their new play control which is the biggest waste of resources we've seen this generation

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesmariokart64fan

i never said third party support was bad, it's getting better than it ever was

but nintendo had a shocking 08

animal crossing has no core game elements, it's like the sims for 5 yr olds and it was supposed to be their grand announcement to satisfy fans, heck it had frickin n64 graphics

mk wii was turd, brawl was alright

Again how is the GC suddenly the hardcore console and its reason for it selling the worst. Its a major hole in this arguement and therefore ignored.

Again how is the GC suddenly the hardcore console and its reason for it selling the worst. Its a major hole in this arguement and therefore ignored.

kardine

[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]

come to think of it....Has Nintendo themselves, ever made a game that a 6 yr old couldn't pick up and play?

I can't think of one that someone couldn't play (unless they didn't know how to read).

The unintelligent are the best market out there!

LordQuorthon

Again how is the GC suddenly the hardcore console and its reason for it selling the worst. Its a major hole in this arguement and therefore ignored.

A six year can play pretty much any kind of game. Ever played the Japanese SMB2 (aka the lost levels)? A bunch of Japanese six year olds played that when it was released, and it's an abnormally brutal and punishing game.

LordQuorthon

snowman6251

I've never met a 6 yr old that can play Madden with a normal controller. What about an intense JRPG?? Diablo, Halo online, etc.

Mario is a game (even the lost levels, no matter the difficulty) that require nothing but hand eye cooridination. Most of Nintendo's games are simple, and even the most complex... are simple, and easy to pick up and play. This is even more so now with the Wiimote, and the elimination of multple buttons... replaced by motions (which are natural to everyone).

Easy games are more accessible for everyone, meaning more $$$ for Nintendo. Why else do you think the difficulty of Zelda games has gone down drastically with the last few installments?

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"][QUOTE="kardine"]

Again how is the GC suddenly the hardcore console and its reason for it selling the worst. Its a major hole in this arguement and therefore ignored.

kardine

I've made tons of threads on the Resident Evil franchise

The only good games we get have been the two on rails games because it's all new content, I don't want to see Resident Evil 0,1,2,3,etc on the Wii because you can play them all right there from the Gamecube

Klonoa is a bargain game that the original can't be played on the console so that one doesn't drive me nuts

Heck, I'm up at arms with Nintendo because of their new play control which is the biggest waste of resources we've seen this generation

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Yes, and when I wrote that the Wii wasn't even a year and a half old

If the Wii didn't have ports back then it would have a ton of missing titles. That time has passed

Plus the Resident Evil games on rails aren't remakesJaysonguy

So your saying that now, given that we get original games like No More Heroes, Madworld, The Conduit, Red Steel 2, Rabbids Go Home, Monster Hunter 3 etc we done need things like Klona, Resident Evil 1 and Rygar right? So lets see you make some topics calling out companies likeCapcom for having 3x as many ports than they have original material. And playing the same characters, in the same environments, following the same general story, figting the same enemies, sounds like a remake if I ever saw one.

I've made tons of threads on the Resident Evil franchise

The only good games we get have been the two on rails games because it's all new content, I don't want to see Resident Evil 0,1,2,3,etc on the Wii because you can play them all right there from the Gamecube

Klonoa is a bargain game that the original can't be played on the console so that one doesn't drive me nuts

Heck, I'm up at arms with Nintendo because of their new play control which is the biggest waste of resources we've seen this generation

no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesAdmiralWolverin

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"]no, nintendo never abandoned the hardcore, what they did was abandon their loyal fans who stuck by them throught the cube era back in the days of the cube, nintendo released/hired companies to release so many games to make up for a lack of 3rd party exclusivity we got 2 starfox games 2 zeldas a risky mario new IP's like battalion wars 2 pokemon rpgs, that were the closest to a 3d version of the gameboy games for many fans geist 2 metroids etc but most importantly, we never had the equivalent of 2008 for wii we never had a year where nintendo released less than 2 big games (we only got brawl in 2008 and that was mediocre) heck, they didnt even announce a decetn game in 08, they confirmed the existence of pikmin 3 and new play control so no, nintendo never betrayed the hardcore, they betrayed their fans and sold out to fitness games and wii music instead of real gamesredhotpeppers

All I want is good games. I dont care if they are considered "hardcore" or "casual" as long as they keep me entertained.

I wouldn't be as frustrated at Nintendo if many of their games weren't significantly worse than their predecessors,and if they bothered releasing more games (with the same renowned quality as their predecessors).VGobbsesser

care to name these games?

And what do you mean by many? Nintendo has made alot of great games this gen. Sure some may have disappointed..but alot were awesome.

Oh and you never did comment on the fact that I said no console maker can trust the casual a.k.a. mainstream audience. Sepewrath

I must have missed it

I don't agree (go figure lol)

The casual is what keeps everyone in the business afloat. They're the ones that see an ad for a game and decide to buy it just for the heck of it. They see an ad on TV and think they want to try it.

The "HardcoreZ" player is so stuck in a rut, they're the ones that wont try new things that often and go freaking bananas when their favorites change directions even if it helps the series

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Oh and you never did comment on the fact that I said no console maker can trust the casual a.k.a. mainstream audience. Jaysonguy

I must have missed it

I don't agree (go figure lol)

The casual is what keeps everyone in the business afloat. They're the ones that see an ad for a game and decide to buy it just for the heck of it. They see an ad on TV and think they want to try it.

The "HardcoreZ" player is so stuck in a rut, they're the ones that wont try new things that often and go freaking bananas when their favorites change directions even if it helps the series