Nintendo: We Can Win Over the Halo Audience

while id personally prefer PC and Wii controls over the standard controller, atm they won't win anyone over even though Metroid may help.

they need to redefine the FPS genre before PS3/360 do with their motion controls (well, more so PS3, playing FPS games with Natal look like they would be a joke).

oh yes; and the wii needs to be more powerful, im guessing we will start to seeing a change within a few years whether via sony or nintendo

Believe me , we don't want the Halo audience. Microsoft can keep them.

xchurchillx

No, I agree. Keep those guys awaaaay.

We don't want the Halo casuals. You know...the ones who didn't ever play video games until Halo came out and are now "hardcore" 360 owners with every FPS availible.

Nintendo already has a fanbase, they should focus on keeping them.

I don't think nintendo cares about winning anything over. They just want to sale more wii's to children and seniors and non-gamers.

accesdenied

These 360 and PS3 fan boys are the reaon why Nintendo will have a really hard time succeding! They may look at what Nintendo has to offer but it might as well go through one ear and out the other! When they see the Nintendooffers all they see is what they want too...bad graphics...a way to make fun of the games...complete ignorancewhen it comes to any thought ofMario, Zelda ,Metroidor any other Nintendo game being good...the fact that nintendo is doing the right thing with motion control...motion + (if they know what that is) is not as good as what the PS3 or 360 has to offer despite Wii Sports Resortalready showing its 1:1, and the fact we don't know a lot about either Natal or the wand, and even people at E3 voted Motion + the best motion controller at the show!...lets see im sure im missing somthing but that will do with that...Have you seen this guy, accesdenied's blog! It says Nintendo has no chance against Microsoft or PS3 with their new motion controllers coming out...and basically Nintendo soon will not be able to selll any games....the thing that gets me mad at these people is they don't know what they are talking about! Nintendo will something big in hopes of ever turing some one like that smart...

[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

"Standard" controller is still best for FPS games

The next Nintendo console could give it a run but right now no one is going to switch to a Wii for FPS games

Jaysonguy

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

What's more important than aiming in a FPS when it comes to controls? Aiming aside, in what way is a dual stick controller better than the Wii?

ozzsoad

Some people think the buttons on dual analog controls are easier to push :roll:

i think we is a much better console in the long run then ps3 or xbox360 i have half as much games for my wii then my ps3 or xbox360 and that is because you can much for play out of them some games are just stunning with the motion controls.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="kardine"] No its not. Anyone willing to look beyond their PS3 or 360 fanboyism can see the control is much better for aiming and all. Its like saying the visuals are better on Wii.ozzsoad

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

Not even Metroid gives as good of an all around experience as Halo does...

[QUOTE="TaMuK711]

Not even Metroid gives as good of an all around experience as Halo does...

Superzone

Notice I said all around. I guarantee you if Metroid Prime had a multiplayer/online system as good as the Halo franchise has, it would have held a much bigger share of the "halo" audience.

We don't want the Halo casuals. You know...the ones who didn't ever play video games until Halo came out and are now "hardcore" 360 owners with every FPS availible.

Nintendo already has a fanbase, they should focus on keeping them.

[QUOTE="Blue-N-Yellow"]

We don't want the Halo casuals. You know...the ones who didn't ever play video games until Halo came out and are now "hardcore" 360 owners with every FPS availible.

Nintendo already has a fanbase, they should focus on keeping them.

Superzone

Riiiight, because YOU didn't enjoy them, they are overrated.

You obviously make or break the franchise... forget the millions upon millions who disagree..

[QUOTE="Superzone"][QUOTE="TaMuK711]

Not even Metroid gives as good of an all around experience as Halo does...

Notice I said all around. I guarantee you if Metroid Prime had a multiplayer/online system as good as the Halo franchise has, it would have held a much bigger share of the "halo" audience.

[QUOTE="Superzone"][QUOTE="Blue-N-Yellow"]

We don't want the Halo casuals. You know...the ones who didn't ever play video games until Halo came out and are now "hardcore" 360 owners with every FPS availible.

Nintendo already has a fanbase, they should focus on keeping them.

Riiiight, because YOU didn't enjoy them, they are overrated.

You obviously make or break the franchise... forget the millions upon millions who disagree..

[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

[QUOTE="Superzone"] Bull crap. Halo's awesome experience comes from it's multiplayer. All three of the Metroid Prime games wipe the floor with the Halo games' single player campaigns.Superzone

Notice I said all around. I guarantee you if Metroid Prime had a multiplayer/online system as good as the Halo franchise has, it would have held a much bigger share of the "halo" audience.

lol, not fair? Who held a gun to Retro and told them not to include multiplayer? Bungie provided a better all around experience. Glad you like the Metroid series better, but it still doesn't change that Halo does more:-/

[QUOTE="Superzone"][QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

Notice I said all around. I guarantee you if Metroid Prime had a multiplayer/online system as good as the Halo franchise has, it would have held a much bigger share of the "halo" audience.

lol, not fair? Who held a gun to Retro and told them not to include multiplayer? Bungie provided a better all around experience. Glad you like the Metroid series better, but it still doesn't change that Halo does more:-/

FPS is meant for PCs to me.funsohng

Nintendo can win that audience releasing more Wii specific core games (games as huge as Galaxy, Prime, RS2, but most importantly new IPs), but not with downgraded versions of the average PS3/360 "hardcore game"...Wintry_Flutist

"Standard" controller is still best for FPS games

The next Nintendo console could give it a run but right now no one is going to switch to a Wii for FPS games

Jaysonguy

What's more important than aiming in a FPS when it comes to controls? Aiming aside, in what way is a dual stick controller better than the Wii?

ozzsoad

The fact that you need to focus on a bounding box in the real world while focusing on the game world,the fact that the Wii remote reticule can "fall off," and the lack of easily accessible,comfortable buttons to press while aiming.

[QUOTE="ozzsoad"] What's more important than aiming in a FPS when it comes to controls? Aiming aside, in what way is a dual stick controller better than the Wii?

VGobbsesser

The fact that you need to focus on a bounding box in the real world while focusing on the game world,the fact that the Wii remote reticule can "fall off," and the lack of easily accessible,comfortable buttons to press while aiming.

[QUOTE="ozzsoad"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

kardine

you guys must not know jasonguy if you are still arguing with him about this

I am an absolutely huge Halo fan. I love everything about the games from the gameplay, to the graphics, to the music to the story.No matter what anyone else says, forme personally Halo provides an experience like no other game. However I very much enjoy games like Mario Kart and Metroid as well, but these are not games I look towards to find the experience I have with Halo, they have great merits in their own right. If I didn't own a Wii right now and had never played Mario Kart or Metroid before I wouldn't turn to the Wii for the kind of experience I can get playing Halo, Half-Life or Bioshock and games like The Conduit would certainly not encourage me to buy one.

I can't believe he said that. Diehard Xbox or Halo gamers are not going to be influenced by anything Nintendo does at this point. Its the system they don't like.

I have a wii..mainly still waiting for starfox..(still in works I guess) but on the meantime I have a 360 to keep me happy hardcore wise while enjoying the casual games from wii,its a win win thing. :)Foxi911

does this mean nintendo might have some shooter/fps IP in the works

Dumb comments like this just shows they're out of touch with certain group of gamers.

"Standard" controller is still best for FPS games

The next Nintendo console could give it a run but right now no one is going to switch to a Wii for FPS games

Jaysonguy

Once again jason... WRONG

FPS games with stardard controllers are better than Wii FPS at the moment, but that doesnt mean that Wii mote doesnt work better for the FPS than dual analog

IMO Wii mote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dual analog

but thats just an opinion

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

"Standard" controller is still best for FPS games

The next Nintendo console could give it a run but right now no one is going to switch to a Wii for FPS games

Once again jason... WRONG

FPS games with stardard controllers are better than Wii FPS at the moment, but that doesnt mean that Wii mote doesnt work better for the FPS than dual analog

IMO Wii mote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dual analog

but thats just an opinion

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="kardine"] No its not. Anyone willing to look beyond their PS3 or 360 fanboyism can see the control is much better for aiming and all. Its like saying the visuals are better on Wii.kardine

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

Jaysonguy

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

I think it is like this.

KB/M >>>>>>>>>>>>> DS >>>> Controller > Wiimote

gameofthering

I disagree. The mouse is nothing like really pointing something to the screen, obviously "standard" controls aren't either. Honestly, the more precise control is a mouse as well as the stylus, those are exactly the same, with the stylus being a little better because is more tactile and almost as pointing. Wiimote is not as precise but the feeling, the immersion it gives you is way better than mouse/stylus. So I choose wiimote at this moment. To me, analog sticks are totally out of the question, those are simply too mechanic and obsolete

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

Jaysonguy

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

Jaysonguy

I hope you don't pull a muscle from reaching so far.

I probably shouldn't bother with a reply because you can't be serious, but.....

Movement is much better on the motion controllers. Dual analog makes you feel like you're driving your charcter through a pool of goo. Motion controls make you feel like you're controlling your character.

6 buttons don't make any difference when the game speed is slowed down to compensate for an inferior control scheme. Besides, the Wii give you 4 buttons at your fingertips plus ten motions. 14 options is better than 6.

Main components of standard FPS gameplay: Aiming, Moving, Shooting, Reloading, Zooming(scopes), Jumping, Crouching, and Weapon Select...all easily mappable and reachable on a Wii-Remote with buttons to spare for additional features. Again, how is a dual analog controller better?

ozzsoad

Exactly and can't recall a moment i had to press 6 buttons at once in a console FPS! Unless that is what had to be done to recallibrate the N64 joystick hehe :P.

Anyway, dual analog is way too limited in my opinion. Just notice that most of the non-FPS-addicts move the aim with small pushes instead of a continuous single movement to aim where they want.

That's why if play a PC FPSgame you'll see a much smaller crossair compared to what you see in consoles - the precision is completely different.

It's mouse/keyboard > Wiimote >>> dual analog controller.

Aiming with the mouse or with the wiimote is pretty much the same to me, however with the wiimote you have to keep aiming at the screen while if you get your hands off the mouse the crossair will be pointing the same spot.

EDIT: what's wrong with the foruns, removing spaces between words?

I own both an Xbox 360 and a Wii and IMO each console should stick at what its good at. Xbox 360 is better for FPS and sports games while the Wii is better at Platforming and Party games. I think all consoles should stick at what they're best at instead of trying to beat another console at its own game.

I own both an Xbox 360 and a Wii and IMO each console should stick at what its good at. Xbox 360 is better for FPS and sports games while the Wii is better at Platforming and Party games. I think all consoles should stick at what they're best at instead of trying to beat another console at its own game.

Sticky-Peas

[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

Jaysonguy

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

Yes the other controllers have a better button layout for FPS but that does not mean the Wiimote is disfunctional. A, B, C, Z, +, -, D-pad are all fully available with the 1 and 2 as lower function buttons. It still works great and is a much better trade off than having a comparatively sluggish dual analog stick. It still can fully function with a fast paced FPS AND it has way better aiming. The PC does not have the analog for movement but that one disadvantage does not detract from the mouse which is so much greater than the second analog for aiming.

You pit two players of same exact skill, one playing with the Wiimote the other playing with the 360 controller. The person who can get his cursor aimed at the other player more accurately and faster is going to win regardless of having one or two less buttons immediately available to him/her. It would be like Quake one the dreamcast all over again.

[QUOTE="kardine"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Aiming

That's it

Everything else is done better with a standard controller

Jaysonguy

No, aiming isn't everything in a FPS, it's just one part

The Wiimote cannot compete with the "standard" controller because it lacks the ability to do other actions

So aiming is where it excels. Things like movement and other actions it comes up short. I mean with one controller you can have your fingers on 6 buttons at once. The Wiimote cannot compete with that.

Next generation when the Wiimote becomes more advanced it'll have a shot to do it but right now the Wiimote as a complete controller is just too basic.

According to your logic, dual analog is better than mouse/keyboard for FPSs. :roll:

That's just as bad as saying dual analog is better than Wiimote/nunchuck for FPS.

Don't you get it? Dual analog is a dying breed. It will soon be extinct,allowinggaming tojump to the next level (similar to the switch from 2D to 3D graphics). The Wiimote is the new standard. Sony is already trying to jump on board, and as soon as MS figures out you need some kind of controller, they'll be on board too.

I own both an Xbox 360 and a Wii and IMO each console should stick at what its good at. Xbox 360 is better for FPS and sports games while the Wii is better at Platforming and Party games. I think all consoles should stick at what they're best at instead of trying to beat another console at its own game.

Sticky-Peas

amen brother nintendo has never been know for fps so why should they all the sudden start focusing on fps they should stick with why we fell in love with nintendo and why we all buy nintendo consols

[QUOTE="Sticky-Peas"]

I own both an Xbox 360 and a Wii and IMO each console should stick at what its good at. Xbox 360 is better for FPS and sports games while the Wii is better at Platforming and Party games. I think all consoles should stick at what they're best at instead of trying to beat another console at its own game.

amen brother nintendo has never been know for fps so why should they all the sudden start focusing on fps they should stick with why we fell in love with nintendo and why we all buy nintendo consols

[QUOTE="BoxingTheStars"]

[QUOTE="Sticky-Peas"]

I own both an Xbox 360 and a Wii and IMO each console should stick at what its good at. Xbox 360 is better for FPS and sports games while the Wii is better at Platforming and Party games. I think all consoles should stick at what they're best at instead of trying to beat another console at its own game.

psychobrew

amen brother nintendo has never been know for fps so why should they all the sudden start focusing on fps they should stick with why we fell in love with nintendo and why we all buy nintendo consols

umm one of the first game to come out for the xbox was halo and it made the xbox popular so xbox has been know for fps ever since they first came out

and i never said that playstation was know for fps because they aren't playstation has become known for rpg's

and also what do you mean "second rate" fps the most popular and most famous fps are on the xbox and ps3 so how are those second rate when you have nothing to compair them to that is better

oh and im not an fps fan boy i actually hate fps your logic just didnt make sense to me

http://wii.ign.com/articles/992/992338p1.html

Hmm. Probably not. And I'm not saying that because I have something against the Wii. I just know that these PS3 and 360 fanboys are waaaay too hard-headed to even consider buying a Wii. However, I think if they actually gave something like The Conduit, Dead Space: Extraction, or Red Steel 2 a shot, they would realize that the Wii really does have superior FPS controls. I'm not a Halo fan, but I am a Call of Duty fan, and I thought that the Wiimote controls for World at War made the console versions look like garbage. Metroid Prime 3 makes duel analog look like a joke, and I'm guessing the Conduit is going to do the same thing. I think Nintendo is on the right track now, but it'll take awhile before they actually win over the Halo crowd

blankshore

Maybe that a hint to brand new game being developed by bungie for the wii that will take the wii's graphics to another lvl.

We will never win over the Halo Audience. Not that WIi isnt good, dont get me wrong its awesome, its just that there are more players on Wii. They are the Hardcores players. Most players that play Wii are casual, and then there are Some who arent just casual, but more. I am that.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="BoxingTheStars"]

amen brother nintendo has never been know for fps so why should they all the sudden start focusing on fps they should stick with why we fell in love with nintendo and why we all buy nintendo consols

umm one of the first game to come out for the xbox was halo and it made the xbox popular so xbox has been know for fps ever since they first came out

and i never said that playstation was know for fps because they aren't playstation has become known for rpg's

and also what do you mean "second rate" fps the most popular and most famous fps are on the xbox and ps3 so how are those second rate when you have nothing to compair them to that is better

oh and im not an fps fan boy i actually hate fps your logic just didnt make sense to me