Not all 3DS games will use 3D

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#1 misiufraggle
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-13-not-all-3ds-games-will-be-in-3d?

"New game cards, however, will be specific to Nintendo 3DS, but whether they will be in 3D or not is basically up to the maker, just like how much to use the touchscreen was up to developers for Nintendo DS."

The Mario creator went on to explain that he thought it was too much to expect all developers to immediately start developing in 3D.

"Suddenly requesting all the game developers to only make 3D games on game cards exclusive to the Nintendo 3DS from now on would really raise the hurdle for them.

"We thought it would be better for developers, as well as players, if they could do as they please depending on the software, having images jump out just a little or making games based significantly on 3D."

I'm glad - not all games really need 3D to be honest.

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#2 DealRogers
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Personally I care more about the better graphics than the actual 3D feature.

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#3 SaltyMeatballs
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Doesn't bother me. I am interested in the 3D effect, but whether a game uses it or not isn't a problem, what matters is if the games are good. However he makes it sound like it's difficult to develop 3D games for the 3DS, I would have thought it was all automatically done using the 3DS dev kit?
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#5 OreoMilkshake
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That's fine with me.
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#6 Icare0
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Just like not every DS game uses the touch screen.

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#7 Litchie
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Just like not every DS game uses the touch screen.

Icare0

You mean like the first sentence of this thread states?

But yeah, I don't care. If the game is good, I'm not going to dismiss it for not being in 3D.

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#8 YoungFlitz
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Thats okay with me, since the graphics have improved for the system.

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#9 LetsPlayer
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As long as improved graphics or lowered price are compensated for the missing 3d, it's all fine with me.
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However he makes it sound like it's difficult to develop 3D games for the 3DS, I would have thought it was all automatically done using the 3DS dev kit?SaltyMeatballs
Automatic? Nothings automatic, you have to put the work in. It has nothing to do with the difficulty, it just that forcing developers to work in things that may not mesh with their design ideas or allowing them to use extra processing power by not using the 3D effect. But I wouldn't be too concerned about most developers skipping it as its a good selling point, so most will likely use it even if its not good execution. I think its a good idea that their not forcing them, for the time being at least.
As long as improved graphics or lowered price are compensated for the missing 3d, it's all fine with me.LetsPlayer
I doubt the price will be lower as a game not using the 3D effect doesn't necessarily have an effect on development cost. They can get more out of the system by skipping the 3D, how noticeable of an effect that causes, we wont know until we see a non 3D game that pushes the system.
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]However he makes it sound like it's difficult to develop 3D games for the 3DS, I would have thought it was all automatically done using the 3DS dev kit?Sepewrath
Automatic? Nothings automatic, you have to put the work in. It has nothing to do with the difficulty, it just that forcing developers to work in things that may not mesh with their design ideas or allowing them to use extra processing power by not using the 3D effect. But I wouldn't be too concerned about most developers skipping it as its a good selling point, so most will likely use it even if its not good execution. I think its a good idea that their not forcing them, for the time being at least.

from what i read, the only improvement you can get is a better framerate, and it already runs at 30fps in 3D in most games.

what might be the tough part in the 3D thing is programming how it'll work. it's not just 3D modelling then pressing a magic button. you need to place things in relation to the screen, check the deadzone, what pops out and what stays "inside", how the effect will work, the focal point of the 3D, etc.

this is just me guessing at how it goes.

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#12 Articuno76
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To be honest I think what will really happen is we will see 3D features forced into most games even where simply using system resources for something else is more desirable. That trend will probably continue for most of the system's lifetime as well.

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#13 knightseason
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All that matters is if the games are good.

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#14 Ganados0
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They better not sit on it like motion plus.

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#15 spike6958
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Great so 3D is going to be another one of Nintendo's features that will be used by developers for a few months for good games, then it'll change to just been used for Shovel-Ware and Nintendo's own games only.
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#16 venomdeo
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Am I missing something is it not called the 3DS or is it called the DS maybe 3D? O well that's the way she goes sometimes lol.

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#17 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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This could bode well for us. the 3D is effectivly splitting resources, right? would not suprise me at all if the most technicly impressive titles end up in 2D
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[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]However he makes it sound like it's difficult to develop 3D games for the 3DS, I would have thought it was all automatically done using the 3DS dev kit?BrunoBRS

Automatic? Nothings automatic, you have to put the work in. It has nothing to do with the difficulty, it just that forcing developers to work in things that may not mesh with their design ideas or allowing them to use extra processing power by not using the 3D effect. But I wouldn't be too concerned about most developers skipping it as its a good selling point, so most will likely use it even if its not good execution. I think its a good idea that their not forcing them, for the time being at least.

from what i read, the only improvement you can get is a better framerate, and it already runs at 30fps in 3D in most games.

what might be the tough part in the 3D thing is programming how it'll work. it's not just 3D modelling then pressing a magic button. you need to place things in relation to the screen, check the deadzone, what pops out and what stays "inside", how the effect will work, the focal point of the 3D, etc.

this is just me guessing at how it goes.

Well, you realize what FPS is right? It's essentially their budget for processing power, etc. So you take 3D out and get a better framerate, they have more budget to utilize in the GFX department and maintain a 30FPS. Therefore, it could obviously lead to better looking games. I don't think it'll be too drastic, but there could be notable differences.
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#19 vgamefreak225
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Wow. Then I don't understand the point of making a game for the 3DS if you are not gonna use 3D.

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#20 lazyathew
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Wow. Then I don't understand the point of making a game for the 3DS if you are not gonna use 3D.

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Same reason they make games for regular DS now. It still has 2 screens and a touch screen. And it's portable.

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Great so 3D is going to be another one of Nintendo's features that will be used by developers for a few months for good games, then it'll change to just been used for Shovel-Ware and Nintendo's own games only.spike6958
I doubt that, the only question is will 3D be a visual aid for the system's lifetime or will it one day become intertwined in the game mechanics.
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#22 painguy1
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I actually look forward to this. Imagine how good the games will look like without 3D. Heck they might use te max rez of 800x240

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#23 BrunoBRS
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I actually look forward to this. Imagine how good the games will look like without 3D. Heck they might use te max rez of 800x240

painguy1
then it would be out of proportion... try to squish a 1920x768 wallpaper on a 1024x768 resolution monitor. so no. the games without 3D would be in 400x240 just like the others.
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#24 painguy1
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dang it i keep forgetting that. stinkin 3DS & its gosh darn parralax barrier :P

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#25 Rod90
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I thought that was obvious? Not all wii games use motion control.
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#26 Alx1231
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I'm not sure if anyone asked this already but does that mean that games without 3D will have better graphics?

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#27 OreoMilkshake
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I'm not sure if anyone asked this already but does that mean that games without 3D will have better graphics?

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What we're learning from DoA is better framerate.
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#28 Alx1231
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[QUOTE="Alx1231"]

I'm not sure if anyone asked this already but does that mean that games without 3D will have better graphics?

OreoMilkshake
What we're learning from DoA is better framerate.

DOA isn't using 3D???
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#29 Aquat1cF1sh
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Personally I care more about the better graphics than the actual 3D feature.

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Yeah, me too. I also care more about the larger memory that the game cards will have.
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[QUOTE="DealRogers"]

Personally I care more about the better graphics than the actual 3D feature.

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Yeah, me too. I also care more about the larger memory that the game cards will have.

Isn't it 8gb????? That's as big as a duel layered DVD. That's pretty good.
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#31 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Alx1231"]

I'm not sure if anyone asked this already but does that mean that games without 3D will have better graphics?

Alx1231
What we're learning from DoA is better framerate.

DOA isn't using 3D???

it is. but if you turn it off, the framerate goes from 30fps to 60fps. which isn't that much of a big deal, considering we already play most of our games at 30fps.
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[QUOTE="Alx1231"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]What we're learning from DoA is better framerate.BrunoBRS
DOA isn't using 3D???

it is. but if you turn it off, the framerate goes from 30fps to 60fps. which isn't that much of a big deal, considering we already play most of our games at 30fps.

For most genres this is true I'd imagine. For some fighting and racing games it might well be beneficial to have 60 though. Having said that I can't pretend that I know enough about DOA to discern whether fans consider 60FPS a necessity and whether it is that strict with timing.
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[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Alx1231"] DOA isn't using 3D???

it is. but if you turn it off, the framerate goes from 30fps to 60fps. which isn't that much of a big deal, considering we already play most of our games at 30fps.

For most genres this is true I'd imagine. For some fighting and racing games it might well be beneficial to have 60 though. Having said that I can't pretend that I know enough about DOA to discern whether fans consider 60FPS a necessity and whether it is that strict with timing.

i don't think anyone plays fighting games seriously enough on a handheld to require a 60fps framerate.
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#34 MrDziekuje
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I'd like to see what the 3DS can do without running 3D. Because that's theoretically twice the processing power.

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#35 ultraking
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meh, who cares.. the games look awesome

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ign said dead or alive's graphics get very choppy in 3D but look great with the 3d slider off. so if we get good looking quality games, then who cares?
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#37 superbuuman
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Wouldn't mind Yugi-Oh card games in 3D to be honest :)

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#38 Rod90
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Wouldn't mind Yugi-Oh card games in 3D to be honest :)

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That would be cool for the fans. In my case, I couldn't care less about Yugi-Oh.
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#39 Blake135
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Err I thought this was obvious..makers will continue tomake normal DS games while some will make them 3D able. Doesnt seem like a big deal to me?

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#40 superbuuman
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DOA is Dead of Alive correct?...so does this mean 3D bouncing boobies :P

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#41 BrunoBRS
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Err I thought this was obvious..makers will continue tomake normal DS games while some will make them 3D able. Doesnt seem like a big deal to me?

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it's not "some will make gamecube games while some will make wii games". it's "some will make PS3 games in HD, some won't".