Phil Harrison thinks DS is "last Gen"... uhh, what?

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#1 punkpunk
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Portable Video Gamer has a story on yesterday's keynote by Phil Harrison, and they make fun of sony for putting the DS under "gaming 2.0" while the PSP is an example of "gaming 3.0".  While I think it is silly of Sony to make up these lame comcepts, it is also wrong to say that the DS is last gen.  It does many things better than PSP, including internet multiplayer.

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#2 mitchconlin
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lol well whatever, he can call it first gen and its still the best handheld ever.
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"Maybe Sony is miffed about the EB games promotion that offered gamers the chance to earn $100 for trading in their old PSP for a “new” DS."

LOL.

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#4 marioraider
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People think what they wanna think, and sure, technically it isn't as outstanding as something like a PSP, but the DS has the games and the new ways to play a game. So IMO, it looks last-gen, but it plays like a true next-gen console.
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#5 StarFoxCOM
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LOL i love Sony but WTF.

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#6 lzorro
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Well someone got up on the wrong side of the bed :P Last Gen FTW!!
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#7 Yoshi_Hunter
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LOL whenever someone brings something up by phil harrison ill just say "and phil also said DS is last gen." that'll shut them up right there.
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#8 queenfan66
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wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wii
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#9 DiabeticDood
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Everything wise yes DS is last gen compared to what the PSP can do. But the DS is still a top of the line handheld. I don't think that the DS can compare in any possible way to the PSP. But thats just my opinion.
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#11 qwertville90
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well acuatrtly ds has an online its 30 buks and an mp3 player 50 bucks

ds 130 bucks

internet 30 buks

mp3 player 50 buks

210 buks total

still cheaper than the psp

ds rox its better than psp even though graphix not as good go out and get a ps2 spo ull have that and a ds ps2 100 buks +ds 130 buks=230 still cheaper than a psp wow psp stinks

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#12 payforaday
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well acuatrtly ds has an online its 30 buks and an mp3 player 50 bucks

ds 130 bucks

internet 30 buks

mp3 player 50 buks

210 buks total

still cheaper than the psp

ds rox its better than ps2 even though graphix not as good go out and get a ps2 spo ull have that and a ds ps2 100 buks +ds 130 buks=230 still cheaper than a psp wow psp stinks

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I dont like to post in threads like this but I would just like to say you need to learn how to spell correctly. The PSP is only $200 and (referring to punkpunk's post) PSPs online MP>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS's online MP .
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#13 qwertville90
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well payforday sorry i was rushin though u can get a ds 4 100 buks on gameseek.co.uk  ds 100 buks online browser 30 buks mp3 50 buks so that means it is only for 180 buks for the ds for all the things a psp can do and more

oo i dont care abot spelling as long as its readable

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#14 Advance_101
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He's half right and half wrong.

The hardware and graphics might be last gen, but touch screen games arent.
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#15 BenderUnit22
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it's not about how new the system is, it's about what it does. The DS plays games and has basic online functionality, that's what he refered to as Game 2.0. He didn't say it was last gen. Game 3.0 is what he calles systems that offer multi media experiences and/or online community services You fanboys have to stop with this half-assed quotes
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#16 DS_fan_atic
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companies still need to pretend that their products are better even when their not.
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#17 payforaday
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well payforday sorry i was rushin though u can get a ds 4 100 buks on gameseek.co.uk  ds 100 buks online browser 30 buks mp3 50 buks so that means it is only for 180 buks for the ds for all the things a psp can do and more

oo i dont care abot spelling as long as its readable

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And more? I'm not trying to start a heated arguement here but I believe the PSP atleast has more features than the DS (and IMO games but thats just opinion). Plus I could find a new PSP for $180 off of Ebay.com. But please explain to me the "and more".
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#18 medi_pack
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Phil Harrison is too much of a gfx whore to reliaze that the DS is not last gen/ Plus, who cares if it's last gen, at least it's fun. The DS is claiming the handheld throne, and won't be moving anytime soon. Gunpei Yokoi is smiling down at this invention, and Phil Harrison needs to be slapped acrossed for making a comment like that.
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wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wiiqueenfan66

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about. DS has the opera browser and the Play-Yan (MP3 and video player: MP4, avi, divx, ...).

But think again, all these things are gimmicks like the Blu-Ray or the Wii Internet/news/forecast Channel.

 

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#20 lite_ds
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wtf? how can a touch screen be last gen? SNES was last gen lol
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[QUOTE="queenfan66"]wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wiichris3116

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about. DS has the opera browser and the Play-Yan (MP3 and video player: MP4, avi, divx, ...).

But think again, all these things are gimmicks like the Blu-Ray or the Wii Internet/news/forecast Channel.

 

who is this person? The last thing the wii is, is last gen.
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#22 lite_ds
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[QUOTE="chris3116"]

[QUOTE="queenfan66"]wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wiilite_ds

Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about. DS has the opera browser and the Play-Yan (MP3 and video player: MP4, avi, divx, ...).

But think again, all these things are gimmicks like the Blu-Ray or the Wii Internet/news/forecast Channel.

 

who is this person? The last thing the wii is, is last gen.

oh ya. And im not a wii fan
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#23 fore_runner
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At least Sony admitted that the Xbox 360 and Wii are in the same league as the PS3....I'm pretty happy over the improvment.
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#24 joshff8
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who cares if the DS is "last gen".  It's games are more fun than PSP's, and that is the important thing, right?
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#25 medi_pack
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[QUOTE="qwertville90"]

well payforday sorry i was rushin though u can get a ds 4 100 buks on gameseek.co.uk ds 100 buks online browser 30 buks mp3 50 buks so that means it is only for 180 buks for the ds for all the things a psp can do and more

oo i dont care abot spelling as long as its readable

payforaday
And more? I'm not trying to start a heated arguement here but I believe the PSP atleast has more features than the DS (and IMO games but thats just opinion). Plus I could find a new PSP for $180 off of Ebay.com. But please explain to me the "and more".

The PSP is more of a multimedia system that a video game system. More features dosen';t make a system better. It's the games that matters. The PSP always had, and seems like it always will, ported games. At first, it was cool to see GTA on the PSP, but now it's getting old. The only original game they probably had was LocoRoco. The only games good on my watch for the PSP is Ratchet and Clank, MGS:Portable Ops, and Socom: Fireteam Bravo 2. Also queenfan, you are delusional. You are the typical Sony fanboy. "ZOMG, t3h PSP can g0 0n int3rn3t, /\nd h/\s b3tt3r gfx!!" You need to go and play some old skool games...
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#26 gibbon1618
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wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer. PSP has that also. Can your ds surf the web? no. Can it play movies? no. Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now. Can it play games with as good grafixs as the PSP? no. see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that. DS is last gen along with the wiiqueenfan66
Sure the PSP can double as an MP3 player or a movie player but we all know that the DS doesn't need any add-on crap because it's a gaming system, not a multi-media system. I already have an iPod and I'm sure most PSP owners do too. And we all know the UMDs were a failure. no one's going to pay 30 dollars for a movie you can only watch on a PSP screen. To me this sounds like sony's tacking on all these extras as a last resort. enough ranting. DS is outselling the PSP and the WII is outselling the PS3. the numbers don't lie.
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#27 payforaday
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[QUOTE="payforaday"][QUOTE="qwertville90"]

well payforday sorry i was rushin though u can get a ds 4 100 buks on gameseek.co.uk ds 100 buks online browser 30 buks mp3 50 buks so that means it is only for 180 buks for the ds for all the things a psp can do and more

oo i dont care abot spelling as long as its readable

medi_pack
And more? I'm not trying to start a heated arguement here but I believe the PSP atleast has more features than the DS (and IMO games but thats just opinion). Plus I could find a new PSP for $180 off of Ebay.com. But please explain to me the "and more".

The PSP is more of a multimedia system that a video game system. More features dosen';t make a system better. It's the games that matters. The PSP always had, and seems like it always will, ported games. At first, it was cool to see GTA on the PSP, but now it's getting old. The only original game they probably had was LocoRoco. The only games good on my watch for the PSP is Ratchet and Clank, MGS:Portable Ops, and Socom: Fireteam Bravo 2. Also queenfan, you are delusional. You are the typical Sony fanboy. "ZOMG, t3h PSP can g0 0n int3rn3t, /\nd h/\s b3tt3r gfx!!" You need to go and play some old skool games...

I see. Some people prefer the games on DS and some prefer the ones on PSP. But the ports thing is a little overblown and the PSP is getting many more original games. To each his own.
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#28 medi_pack
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O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
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#29 thewwwyzzerdd
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i dont know what anyone means by "last gen" the psp is next gen if being next gen has more to do with multimedia concepts that actual gaming.... i mean ok it plays mp3s movies, but where are the actual games? i thought next gen was talking about the video gaming market... if you put the psp against any other multimedia device, such as mp3 players ect, it would lose in quality, when you compare psp to ds as a GAMING machine, it loses every time.
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#30 payforaday
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O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
medi_pack
Also you're a total fanboy. :lol: Oh, and Gamespot agrees that PSP>DS in games. PSP has more than twice as many AAs and the same amount of AAAs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for trying to have a friendly conversation. DS fanboys are the worst fanboys.
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[QUOTE="medi_pack"]O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
payforaday
Also you're a total fanboy. :lol: Oh, and Gamespot agrees that PSP>DS in games. PSP has more than twice as many AAs and the same amount of AAAs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for trying to have a friendly conversation. DS fanboys are the worst fanboys.

are we really gonna trust the gamespot mods on whether the psp is better that the ds... come on.... they are all such graphics whores its disturbing, its t0 the point now where i read all there reviews and add 1 point, because they always mark down for graphics...
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#32 payforaday
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[QUOTE="payforaday"][QUOTE="medi_pack"]O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
thewwwyzzerdd
Also you're a total fanboy. :lol: Oh, and Gamespot agrees that PSP>DS in games. PSP has more than twice as many AAs and the same amount of AAAs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for trying to have a friendly conversation. DS fanboys are the worst fanboys.

are we really gonna trust the gamespot mods on whether the psp is better that the ds... come on.... they are all such graphics whores its disturbing, its t0 the point now where i read all there reviews and add 1 point, because they always mark down for graphics...

Wow that just shows how pathetic the DS's line of games is. Gamespot knows what they're talking about and they wont reduce the score just because of the graphics because they know the DS isn't capable of awesome graphics. If anything they are harder on the PSP when they review it's games.
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wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer. PSP has that also. Can your ds surf the web? no. Can it play movies? no. Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now. Can it play games with as good grafixs as the PSP? no. see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that. DS is last gen along with the wiiqueenfan66
umm ur sig says ur NOT a fanboy but ur post just made you the biggest cow in this forum.
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#34 thewwwyzzerdd
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im sorry, but the psp is a portable ps2 complete with the endless line up of mediocre games. its like they try to produce as many games as possible, and hope you like one, then make a slightly better sequel, or 5....
if thats not last gen i dont know what is...
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#35 KevinCamp24
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"Maybe Sony is miffed about the EB games promotion that offered gamers the chance to earn $100 for trading in their old PSP for a “new” DS."

LOL.

brujagio

Just goes to show the DS is awesome.

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#36 medi_pack
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[QUOTE="medi_pack"]O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
payforaday
Also you're a total fanboy. :lol: Oh, and Gamespot agrees that PSP>DS in games. PSP has more than twice as many AAs and the same amount of AAAs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for trying to have a friendly conversation. DS fanboys are the worst fanboys.

Woah, your treating Gamespot like god here? Remember, their were the ones who gave Twilight Princess a 8. And if I was a DS fanboy, why would I know all the upcoming games for the PSP. :P Plus, any fanboy is the worse. Plus you shouldn't be even talking about DS line of games. Just look at PSP's. Burnout, Full Auto, 300, Crazy Taxi, GRAW 2, Smackdown Vs. Raw 08, and MLB 2K7. Talk about original. :P
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#37 Philosopher08
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Actually the DS can do all of that.So check your facts before you speak.And Gameplay over graphics anyday.
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#38 thewwwyzzerdd
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damn talk about fanboys.... payforaday has every psp game hes reviewed at a solid 10.... yeah i bet you hate fanboys....:wink: 
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#39 medi_pack
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Don't forget about Virtua Tennis 3. :lol:
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#40 StEaMRoLL3r
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I can see what he means by "last gen". But the success of the DS was way to high for Nintendo to make another handheld at this time, but i would not be surprised at all if they released another redesign of the handheld.
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#41 AznKid
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wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wiiqueenfan66

The NDS can surf the web with the browser pack... It can play media, just not legally. Can it play games with good "grafix?" Yes, ASH, FFXII: RW, and FFIII proves that it can. Does it match the PSP in "grafix?" Well no, it's technically impossible. But does the PSP match the NDS in loading time? No... not really...

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#42 RedLobsterpwns
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Let me get this straight. okay so DS is last gen? and psp is current gen?
it must be sad that sony's current gen handheld is selling less than nintendo's last generation handheld.
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#43 BenderUnit22
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[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]it's not about how new the system is, it's about what it does. The DS plays games and has basic online functionality, that's what he refered to as Game 2.0. He didn't say it was last gen. Game 3.0 is what he calles systems that offer multi media experiences and/or online community services You fanboys have to stop with this half-assed quotes

Sorry, but I feel the need to quote myself on this, because you're starting a war here based on some fanboy making stuff up that Phil Harrison never said or implicated. Game 2.0 to Game 3.0 is not about next-gen, it's about integrating community and multi media functionality into systems (not via add-ons)
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[QUOTE="medi_pack"]O rly? The only original game I heard was coming out was Crush. The rest is ports like Call of duty, Burnout, and Full Auto 2. :P

Also the movie game 300. :lol:

Crazy Taxi maybe? :lol:
payforaday
Also you're a total fanboy. :lol: Oh, and Gamespot agrees that PSP>DS in games. PSP has more than twice as many AAs and the same amount of AAAs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for trying to have a friendly conversation. DS fanboys are the worst fanboys.

And theres NO WAY that ANY reviewer could show a biased against Nintendo. GameSpot is never biased against Nintendo, ignoring the fact that LoZ: TP, FFVI, and more were scored 8.9, just .1 point off from Editors Choice. But thats just all coincidence. Or Pokemon Emerald getting a 7.5. No way they could have been biased though.

wow all you can mentin is the internet multiplayer.  PSP has that also.  Can your ds surf the web?  no.  Can it play movies? no.  Can it play MP3s? uhhhh...n ot right now.  Can it play games with  as good grafixs as the PSP? no.  see all those things the ds cant do and the PSP can do even more than that.  DS is last gen along with the wiiqueenfan66

All those things are accesories. The way they should be. Graphics =/= Gameplay, Innovation, Fun.

'Oh. Lets spend $200 on a mediocre gaming device, MP3 Player, and Video player. Never mind the fact I have a DVD player and an iPod. And lets use the awkward analog Nub to move around, neverminding the fact that heres one, not two.'

Neither are last gen. But the PSP isnt that great of a system. When we buy a console, we want something for Gaming. We want something small that fits in out pockets, and something that protects the console. Sonys failing right now because there all about Multimedia, not games. We want to use the internet, we'll use a computer. We wanna watch a movie? A DVD player. Music. An iPod. With the exception of Music, you dont need any of those on the road. If you do, then by all means, but one.

As for the PSP having better online, why do you say that? The DS has better controls, a built in microphone, fun online games. The PSP is... meh...

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#45 thisisjosh
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...yes DS is last gen compared to what the PSP can do. But the DS is still a top of the line handheld...DiabeticDood
actually, yeah, i agree. technically.
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#46 thisisjosh
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[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]it's not about how new the system is, it's about what it does. The DS plays games and has basic online functionality, that's what he refered to as Game 2.0. He didn't say it was last gen. Game 3.0 is what he calles systems that offer multi media experiences and/or online community services You fanboys have to stop with this half-assed quotesBenderUnit22
Sorry, but I feel the need to quote myself on this, because you're starting a war here based on some fanboy making stuff up that Phil Harrison never said or implicated. Game 2.0 to Game 3.0 is not about next-gen, it's about integrating community and multi media functionality into systems (not via add-ons)

and i feel the need to quote you quoting yourself, because you're way too right.
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People think what they wanna think, and sure, technically it isn't as outstanding as something like a PSP, but the DS has the games and the new ways to play a game. So IMO, it looks last-gen, but it plays like a true next-gen console.marioraider
An NDS is not a friggin' console.


PS. I thought this wasn't a PSP vs. DS forum, all of these fanboys are straying from the point here. In my opinion, it is not biased, mind you. I think that the DS is more fun to play with, though the PSP has it's upsides, GFX and uhm...uhum. Anywho stop straying from the topic.
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     I disagree with Phil for a different reason, and that is about calling the PSP a 3.0 console.  While the strict guidelines to being a 3.0 are hazy, at best the PSP is a 2.3 for incorporating media, entertainment, and retro gaming in one sweet package.   These features are selling points, and with recent advances in Memory stick building (hint: expect 40 GB sticks before christmas) Sony looks set in continuing their stride in advancing their vision of the PSP to gamers.  While the bigger hard drive will need to be offset with greater RAM, the PSP should be able to accomdate this increase in stride, as the updating capability is actually pain-free and has little hassle.
     The DS, on the other hand, is more like a Nintendo 2.0.  In a sense, it is the first time Nintendo has innovated since the original Game Boy in 1989 (Sega had color first and the GBA was always seen as just a portable SNES).  All games for the DS generally get updated in a way that makes the experience more enjoyable for the user.  Consumer interest over the DS and Wii has skyrocketed thanks to games like Nintendogs and Rayman's Raving Rabbids.  That being said, the DS only feels last gen because the user is supposed to physically touch the screen, unlike the Wii's point and interact functionality.  Updating the DS all but impossible (as the newer model will replace the old) and the lack of portable entertainment implies that multimedia fanboys will look down on such a device to keep all their interests satisfied.
     All in all, the PSP and DS will continue fighting because in essence, the only simularity they share is that they play games on the go!  The PSP is what the next iteneration of the DS will strive to be, and the PSP will innovate to be more like the DS is now.  As long as gamers make the right decisions, these two handhelds can co-exist in a very open-yet-niche market, but if one tries to do what Nintendont then the balance will be lost and a winner will probably be obvious.
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I think that according to Harrison's criteria for "gaming 3.0" the DS is a great example.  It allows for user interactions and customizability through the touch-screen, and it is fully wireless allowing for multiplayer in games like Animal crossing. 

The PSP may be more powerful, but I thought it was funny that phil kind of mised the point of his presentation and didn't take the DS seriously.  since, it is kicking his ass in sales.

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#50 stiker71
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Portable Video Gamer has a story on yesterday's keynote by Phil Harrison, and they make fun of sony for putting the DS under "gaming 2.0" while the PSP is an example of "gaming 3.0".  While I think it is silly of Sony to make up these lame comcepts, it is also wrong to say that the DS is last gen.  It does many things better than PSP, including internet multiplayer.

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Yeah psp just stinks.....So idk what hes talking about the only good game for Psp is lumies......Thats lame.