RE5 is a graphics monster and should stay on PS3/360 = FAIL.

The person that made that video intentionally left out some of the more impressive scenes. Here's a better look at the game.http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36226.htmlvoixco

Yeah, I think everyone here should watch that trailer. It shows just how impressive this game is and just how far away from the Wii's capabilities it is.

Why are you guys begging for a dumbed down port? Personally, I'd rather see a new exclusive RE game built from the ground up for Wii with the Wii controller in mind from the beginning.

[QUOTE="voixco"]The person that made that video intentionally left out some of the more impressive scenes. Here's a better look at the game.http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36226.htmlRocky32189

Yeah, I think everyone here should watch that trailer. It shows just how impressive this game is and just how far away from the Wii's capabilities it is.

Why are you guys begging for a dumbed down port? Personally, I'd rather see a new exclusive RE game built from the ground up for Wii with the Wii controller in mind from the beginning.

Lets face it....no one will ever be happy with anything that....graphics arent good......gameplay coulda been better...we all hear it. IF your TRUE RE fans, get the game.....if it comes out for wii...GET IT....we cannot base our thoughts on those of others....i wouldnt mind seeing it on wii....if it doesnt come...no big deal. NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...360/ps3 have the graphics....we get the controller and gameplay schemes. RE4 is by far my most played wii game. Simply because i enjoy the way the control via the nunchuk and wiimote make me feel like i am there doing it....why argue with others thoughts and opinions. thats why the are opinions.....

The body physics looks a little better in RE: 5 and there is more blood apparently but besides that. The only reason to want a port would be if the storyline is good.

same game but diffrent look and setting.

same game but diffrent look and setting.

i would like to see Resident evil 4.5 for the wii

Or forget about Resident Evil i want Street Fighter 4!!!!!

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

Jesteroflies

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

poolwatcher

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

NES WAS THE FIRST HOME CONSOLE DUMBASS. and by the time the snes came out the industry wasn't that large. and the gamecubes was short-lived as the highest graphics cause the XBOX came out with better graphics

why so serious?

but really, was the flame needed?

jason has a point though. it's only been with wii where they sacrificed hardware power for price advantage and profit gain

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

poolwatcher

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

NES WAS THE FIRST HOME CONSOLE

Yeah, about that...

Ummm

The Atari, Intellivision, Colecovision, etc all preceded (came before) the NES

Might want to brush up on the ol' gaming history when you get a chance.

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="poolwatcher"]EPIC FAIL!!! Who cares how good the graphics are anyways? If they went to lower graphics everyone would be happy. Also it isn't total rehash from RE4 there is a new storyline!dan543

yes, storyline obviously makes up for the game PLAYING almot the same as RE4 :|

OMFG, I cant believe this. It doesnt matter they have the same animations and mechanics or whatever, the game is completely different if you think about it. I mean, Megaman 1 through 6 are what you would say exactly the same (and now Megaman 9), same graphics, same gameplay, but they are freaking fun! All of them, it doesn't matter they are played the same way, with the same graphics or whatever. Heck, even OoT and MM are what you would say "identical", yet so different, completely different, and fun. That's all what matters. I can't believe people are saying this is a game is not worth playing because it is a rehash or whatever of RE4. Now, I have always believed that RE5 should have been developed for the Wii. It's not impossible! "OMG, Wii can't handle it", says who? They said exactly the same thing about FFXIII, and, OMFG, now there's a version for XBOX60. I mean, do we even know the capabilities, the full capabilities of every console??? No. "OMG, the Zombies are so smart". Has anyone played the game yet. Experienced it??? No. I don't think anyone here. I'm sure they could have made one version for the Wii

Mega Man 1-6 were on the same console... While RE5 is, or at least was, supposed to be "next bonanza".

NES WAS THE FIRST HOME CONSOLE DUMBASS. and by the time the snes came out the industry wasn't that large. and the gamecubes was short-lived as the highest graphics cause the XBOX came out with better graphicspoolwatcher

You will make Ralph Baer cry

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

poolwatcher

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

NES WAS THE FIRST HOME CONSOLE DUMBASS. and by the time the snes came out the industry wasn't that large. and the gamecubes was short-lived as the highest graphics cause the XBOX came out with better graphics

I guess you never heard of the Atari, Colecovision, or Intellivision.

EDIT: Dang, you guys beat me to it.

One thing I've read on the Wii board quite a bit is : "RE5 controls just like RE4, so Capcom sucks."

I can't believe people are complaining so much about this supposed fact. RE4 was not only the best RE gameplay-wise, but one of the best games period based on the gameplay. Why the hell are so many people complaining about this? Has the world gone completely mad? Seriously. I mean...wha?

[QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

Jaysonguy

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

famicommander

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

Actually, I was going to mention that too. I'm not 100% sure on the SMS, but I know the Genesis had quite a few advantages over the SNES in the hardware department. The SNES was just used better by devs, and by the Big N.

Needs more ragdoll...Ospov

Needs more cowbell too.

Seriously though, RE5 just isn't going to be on the wii...even though I'd much rather play it with the wiimote.

[QUOTE="dan543"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="poolwatcher"]EPIC FAIL!!! Who cares how good the graphics are anyways? If they went to lower graphics everyone would be happy. Also it isn't total rehash from RE4 there is a new storyline!Wintry_Flutist

yes, storyline obviously makes up for the game PLAYING almot the same as RE4 :|

OMFG, I cant believe this. It doesnt matter they have the same animations and mechanics or whatever, the game is completely different if you think about it. I mean, Megaman 1 through 6 are what you would say exactly the same (and now Megaman 9), same graphics, same gameplay, but they are freaking fun! All of them, it doesn't matter they are played the same way, with the same graphics or whatever. Heck, even OoT and MM are what you would say "identical", yet so different, completely different, and fun. That's all what matters. I can't believe people are saying this is a game is not worth playing because it is a rehash or whatever of RE4. Now, I have always believed that RE5 should have been developed for the Wii. It's not impossible! "OMG, Wii can't handle it", says who? They said exactly the same thing about FFXIII, and, OMFG, now there's a version for XBOX60. I mean, do we even know the capabilities, the full capabilities of every console??? No. "OMG, the Zombies are so smart". Has anyone played the game yet. Experienced it??? No. I don't think anyone here. I'm sure they could have made one version for the Wii

Mega Man 1-6 were on the same console... While RE5 is, or at least was, supposed to be "next bonanza".

LOL. Ok. Other examples??? Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They just look different, basically the same gameplay, but from different generations. Well, TP is pretty much late GC.

EDIT. Oh, thats not the point. The point is that the game can be equally enyoable with the same animation, etc. I mean, no one had complaints in the NES era, why now?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The Wii can't handle the AI

The added power allows the zombies to act like never before in the series.

Wintry_Flutist

Yeah, the zombies are really smart in RE5, look at their super strategies, never before experienced gameplay. :|

Since when have zombies been intelligent, thinking creatures capable of strategizing? Maybe some other creatures could be, but I want my zombies to be mindless drones that stagger towards you whose only intent is to get at your flesh.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="dan543"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="poolwatcher"]EPIC FAIL!!! Who cares how good the graphics are anyways? If they went to lower graphics everyone would be happy. Also it isn't total rehash from RE4 there is a new storyline!dan543

yes, storyline obviously makes up for the game PLAYING almot the same as RE4 :|

OMFG, I cant believe this. It doesnt matter they have the same animations and mechanics or whatever, the game is completely different if you think about it. I mean, Megaman 1 through 6 are what you would say exactly the same (and now Megaman 9), same graphics, same gameplay, but they are freaking fun! All of them, it doesn't matter they are played the same way, with the same graphics or whatever. Heck, even OoT and MM are what you would say "identical", yet so different, completely different, and fun. That's all what matters. I can't believe people are saying this is a game is not worth playing because it is a rehash or whatever of RE4. Now, I have always believed that RE5 should have been developed for the Wii. It's not impossible! "OMG, Wii can't handle it", says who? They said exactly the same thing about FFXIII, and, OMFG, now there's a version for XBOX60. I mean, do we even know the capabilities, the full capabilities of every console??? No. "OMG, the Zombies are so smart". Has anyone played the game yet. Experienced it??? No. I don't think anyone here. I'm sure they could have made one version for the Wii

Mega Man 1-6 were on the same console... While RE5 is, or at least was, supposed to be "next bonanza".

LOL. Ok. Other examples??? Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They just look different, basically the same gameplay, but from different generations. Well, TP is pretty much late GC.

EDIT. Oh, thats not the point. The point is that the game can be equally enyoable with the same animation, etc. I mean, no one had complaints in the NES era, why now?

you missed his point. RE5 being the same wouldn't be that much of a problem if it were on the GC and ps2 again. with next gen, we usually expect something new in our franchises. of course gameplay remains the same, it's a sequel. but would mixing it up be such a problem though?

online co op is awesome but capcom needs to give us something a little bit more fresh here. no one is saying it won't be enjoyable, it's just that it probably won't be as enjoyable because we played a very similiar game in 2005.

[QUOTE="-Skeletor-"]Even Fatal Frame IV looks decent on the Wii.. RE5 is doable.. the controls make the game..Dark_Knight6

You say that as if the controls will suck. They were fantastic on a standard gamepad in RE4.

No, fantastic is an incorrect term. The controls were passable, decent at best, but NOT fantastic. The Wii is the only home console that has good controls for its games. That's why RE5 will only be fun on the Wii.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="-Skeletor-"]Even Fatal Frame IV looks decent on the Wii.. RE5 is doable.. the controls make the game..santiagochile

You say that as if the controls will suck. They were fantastic on a standard gamepad in RE4.

No, fantastic is an incorrect term. The controls were passable, decent at best, but NOT fantastic. The Wii is the only home console that has good controls for its games. That's why RE5 will only be fun on the Wii.

:|

So wait, you mean to tell me that ur complaining about how RE4 and RE5 are the exact same thing in terms of game mechanics and physics? Clearly you can see that RE5 has and will (since there is still time to improve till its ships) improve over RE4.

this thread = FAIL

So wait, you mean to tell me that ur complaining about how RE4 and RE5 are the exact same thing in terms of game mechanics and physics? Clearly you can see that RE5 has and will (since there is still time to improve till its ships) improve over RE4.

this thread = FAIL

WR_Platinum

are you implying they'll drastically change it from what we've seen so far? Be serious here....This isn't early stages of the game here.we've known about RE5 for a good while.

I'd like to welcome those who are troubled by the similarities between this sequel and its immediate predecessor to the brand new and exciting world of videogames! :P

Anyway, to answer the OP:

Could the Wii handle RE5? No.

Could a special, significantly gimped version be built for it from RE4's engine? Yes.

Would I like to see this happen? That's between Capcom and the consumers.

AFTER SEEING THE VIDEO RE5 IS DOABLE ON THE WII JUST MAKE THE GRAPHICS A LITTLE LESS DETAILED OR BETTER YET LEAVE LIKE THIS BUT DO MULTI-DISC LIKE 2 OR 3 LIKE THE ONE ON GAMCUBEDavidRswii

having multidiscs doesn't compensate for the graphics :|

also, why did you type in caps?

this issue really has to stop going on. if you want RE5, buy a goddamn 360 or ps3. why some want a crummy port is beyond me.

now *takes deep breath and calms down*

LOL. Ok. Other examples??? Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They just look different, basically the same gameplay, but from different generations. Well, TP is pretty much late GC.

EDIT. Oh, thats not the point. The point is that the game can be equally enyoable with the same animation, etc. I mean, no one had complaints in the NES era, why now?

dan543

Look dude, I see where you're coming from, but I just want you to consider those two points so we stay on topic:

1. RE5 was expected to be one of the "next generation showcases". We can clearly see it isn't the case, and we'll have to live with it, whether we like it or not.

2. Now since it isn't doing anything ZOMGBBQ tech wise, there's no excuse for not having a Wii version, which is the point of this topic. Everything shown in the RE5 videos was done on GC/Wii, graphics aside. The bodies even disappear, something they managed to fix on the PS2 version!

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="dan543"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="poolwatcher"]EPIC FAIL!!! Who cares how good the graphics are anyways? If they went to lower graphics everyone would be happy. Also it isn't total rehash from RE4 there is a new storyline!dan543

yes, storyline obviously makes up for the game PLAYING almot the same as RE4 :|

OMFG, I cant believe this. It doesnt matter they have the same animations and mechanics or whatever, the game is completely different if you think about it. I mean, Megaman 1 through 6 are what you would say exactly the same (and now Megaman 9), same graphics, same gameplay, but they are freaking fun! All of them, it doesn't matter they are played the same way, with the same graphics or whatever. Heck, even OoT and MM are what you would say "identical", yet so different, completely different, and fun. That's all what matters. I can't believe people are saying this is a game is not worth playing because it is a rehash or whatever of RE4. Now, I have always believed that RE5 should have been developed for the Wii. It's not impossible! "OMG, Wii can't handle it", says who? They said exactly the same thing about FFXIII, and, OMFG, now there's a version for XBOX60. I mean, do we even know the capabilities, the full capabilities of every console??? No. "OMG, the Zombies are so smart". Has anyone played the game yet. Experienced it??? No. I don't think anyone here. I'm sure they could have made one version for the Wii

Mega Man 1-6 were on the same console... While RE5 is, or at least was, supposed to be "next bonanza".

LOL. Ok. Other examples??? Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They just look different, basically the same gameplay, but from different generations. Well, TP is pretty much late GC.

EDIT. Oh, thats not the point. The point is that the game can be equally enyoable with the same animation, etc. I mean, no one had complaints in the NES era, why now?

The Wii is the only home console that has good controls for its games.

santiagochile

You are completely right. What was I thinking? Call of Duty 4 controls terribly on a ps3. MGS4's controls? Trash; they would be so much better for the Wii, and don't get me started on the 360...

/sarcasm

[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]

So wait, you mean to tell me that ur complaining about how RE4 and RE5 are the exact same thing in terms of game mechanics and physics? Clearly you can see that RE5 has and will (since there is still time to improve till its ships) improve over RE4.

this thread = FAIL

Sonick54

are you implying they'll drastically change it from what we've seen so far? Be serious here....This isn't early stages of the game here.we've known about RE5 for a good while.

No, as you have seen in most of the vids shown, RE5 is lookin great, but since we still have awhile till this game comes out, it will be more polished in the end. It looks amazing already and yet its not 100% yet. No wii-Port? How can you even imagine that when it was announced for the PS3 for the first time? Same gameplay? A HUGE improvment from the original gameplay mechanics imo.

Face it, this thread is an excuse to talk giberish because it not comin to Wii.

[QUOTE="dan543"]

LOL. Ok. Other examples??? Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. They just look different, basically the same gameplay, but from different generations. Well, TP is pretty much late GC.

EDIT. Oh, thats not the point. The point is that the game can be equally enyoable with the same animation, etc. I mean, no one had complaints in the NES era, why now?

Wintry_Flutist

Look dude, I see where you're coming from, but I just want you to consider those two points so we stay on topic:

1. RE5 was expected to be one of the "next generation showcases". We can clearly see it isn't the case, and we'll have to live with it, whether we like it or not.

2. Now since it isn't doing anything ZOMGBBQ tech wise, there's no excuse for not having a Wii version, which is the point of this topic. Everything shown in the RE5 videos was done on GC/Wii, graphics aside. The bodies even disappear, something they managed to fix on the PS2 version!

1. No we cannot clearly see that. :|

2. Those are not GC/Wii grahpics. :|

No, as you have seen in most of the vids shown, RE5 is lookin great, but since we still have awhile till this game comes out, it will be more polished in the end. It looks amazing already and yet its not 100% yet. No wii-Port? How can you even imagine that when it was announced for the PS3 for the first time? Same gameplay? A HUGE improvment from the original gameplay mechanics imo.

Face it, this thread is an excuse to talk giberish because it not comin to Wii.WR_Platinum

And this is bait for me to say my threads are serious business.

1. No we cannot clearly see that. :|

2. Those are not GC/Wii grahpics. :|Englando_IV

1. So you're willing to admit RE5 features never before experienced gameplay? With accurate ragdoll physics, new animations, new aiming system, weapons never imagined in RE, and the whole lot of amazing next gen features?

2. You're right. This is GC gameplay. Not even on Wii level.

Put this in SW and see what happens :Dair_wolf_cubed

I allow anyone willing to do it to copy my thread word by word including the title. I'm afraid of doing it because handling the Wii board is already troublesome, imagine now the whole PS3/360 army flooding your thread with hate.

[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]No, as you have seen in most of the vids shown, RE5 is lookin great, but since we still have awhile till this game comes out, it will be more polished in the end. It looks amazing already and yet its not 100% yet. No wii-Port? How can you even imagine that when it was announced for the PS3 for the first time? Same gameplay? A HUGE improvment from the original gameplay mechanics imo.

Face it, this thread is an excuse to talk giberish because it not comin to Wii.Wintry_Flutist

And this is bait for me to say my threads are serious business.

1. No we cannot clearly see that. :|

2. Those are not GC/Wii grahpics. :|Englando_IV

1. So you're willing to admit RE5 features never before experienced gameplay? With accurate ragdoll physics, new animations, new aiming system, weapons never imagined in RE, and the whole lot of amazing next gen features?

2. You're right. This is GC gameplay. Not even on Wii level.

Was I wrong in gathering from the topic title that this thread was about the technical aspect of the game and not the creative aspect?

Was I wrong in gathering from the topic title that this thread was about the technical aspect of the game and not the creative aspect?

Englando_IV

No, because they're tied. The only thing RE5 is doing right now that can't be done on Wii is graphics and still, it's nothing I wouldn't trade for Wii controls. A half brained monkey knows that, shall RE5 be ported to Wii, a graphical downgrade to RE4 level (hopefully something better looking) would be needed. But the gameplay isn't benefiting from the current gen hardware.

RE5's AI looks no more sophisticated then Goldeneye on the N64. As for sophisticated physics, if it's just bloom effects, real time shadows, explosions and heat haze they are way behind - again.

Wow. I have to say, until now I've been one of those, "No RE5 on the Wii because it will ruin the gameplay" people. But now, I just don't know.

[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]

No, as you have seen in most of the vids shown, RE5 is lookin great, but since we still have awhile till this game comes out, it will be more polished in the end. It looks amazing already and yet its not 100% yet. No wii-Port? How can you even imagine that when it was announced for the PS3 for the first time? Same gameplay? A HUGE improvment from the original gameplay mechanics imo.

Face it, this thread is an excuse to talk giberish because it not comin to Wii.Wintry_Flutist

And this is bait for me to say my threads are serious business.

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Jesteroflies"]

NINTENDO has never been about graphics....always about solid gameplay...

Conjuration

Really?

So the NES being better then the current hardware was what then?
Or the SNES having the best hardware?
Heck even the Gamecube had better hardware then what was already out

The Wii is the first time Nintendo has placed priority in something other then graphics.

Actually, I was going to mention that too. I'm not 100% sure on the SMS, but I know the Genesis had quite a few advantages over the SNES in the hardware department. The SNES was just used better by devs, and by the Big N.

The SMS was theoretically more powerful than the NES, but it never really got pushed hard enough in its life cycle. As for SNES VS Genesis both consoles had their strengths. Genesis was good at fast-paced arcade games thanks to its superior processor, but thats pretty much the only advantage it had. The SNES had double the RAM, could support up to 256 colours and had built in mode-7. Its soundcard was also better at digitized music (listen to the Donkey Kong Country soundtrack and you'll see what I mean) and the SuperFX chip enabled graphical effects way ahead of their time.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]

No, as you have seen in most of the vids shown, RE5 is lookin great, but since we still have awhile till this game comes out, it will be more polished in the end. It looks amazing already and yet its not 100% yet. No wii-Port? How can you even imagine that when it was announced for the PS3 for the first time? Same gameplay? A HUGE improvment from the original gameplay mechanics imo.

Face it, this thread is an excuse to talk giberish because it not comin to Wii.WR_Platinum

And this is bait for me to say my threads are serious business.

Don't know what you mean exactly, but I don't see what's the problem with this thread. I show a video that proves RE5 engine is not improved from RE4, hence RE5 is feasible on Wii with no losses in gameplay (only gains, if you consider the Wiimote).

um ya wii can handle that im sorry but timesplitters future perfect any one , that has better visuals then re4 does as does burnout revenge, and wii is as powerful if not a slight more powerful then the original xbox, and we know what it can handle,

dont judge sonys or microsofts console by the cover yes on paper its more powerful, but to answer your question or state

very few times have i seen 360 pushed to its limits, pass wiis limits, ridge racer 6 , hour of victory nfs , wwe 2008 etc all look like they can well some already are , can or are on wii,

they do not look realistic enough even gta iv can ,

driver paralel lines any one, thats where rockstar used its crashes and stuff, right from the main competitor,

jus a tad down on graphics for gta make it look like burnout revenge or better,

there youll have a wii port

sad but true the third party are just lazy ,, they aint using sonys cell or microsofts and as silly as it sound they dont even wanna tap into wiis potential , re4 galaxy mariokart, ssbb driver paralel lines manhunt 2 and nfs also wwe is the only ones ive seen push the envelope even then there is more,

simply put it, re5 according to the videos ive seen can be done on wii if dead rising can im sure as heck possitive re5 can come , , who said wii couldnt handle these games, that 360 has, ok name one,

you cant because any developer can tone their games to last gen or a lil over last gen graphics and keep the core gameplay, add wii controls, there ya go ,,

as easy as 123 , look at ds it got call of duty 4 , lol and that is 64 graphics

The Wii can't handle the AI

The added power allows the zombies to act like never before in the series.

Jaysonguy

They look dumber than the ones in 4 in some of the videos I've seen. I've seen them walk into walls and stuff, plus when the chainsaw guy was attacking in one vid all the other infected seem to just ignore you.

I would actually prefer it if they made a new Resi which is like 4/5 but the infected actually run rather than do a slight jog like they do in 4/5. The only reason they did it in 4 was because the controls are too inacurate to target quick enough, but with Wii's controls in RE4 it'd be perfect if they made a new RE where there are scarier faster zombie. Or just make a different game like that since it'd be hard to work that as a sidestory.