Reggie calls out the Hardcore audience

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

GabuEx

agreed. we get what we get, get over it lol

Thank you to all who agree with me. You are clearly very intelligent individuals. ;)

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

No actually, the definition is the amount of time spent playing games. This is the definition that researchers and casual game companies like PopCap Games use. It's the most objective and the easiest. There is no problem with these words, except of course people's confusion over what they mean, but just because people don't use words correctly doesn't mean they should be thrown out entirely. Those words help describe what's going on in the industry, the trends that arise, and the different tastes and gaming patterns and preferences of the diverse audience.

97% of all teenagers play video games. But does that mean they all play the same way and the same kinds? If you rob the language of words to describe the differences within the population, then you're destroying our descriptive capacity, and with it, our ability to understand the differences - and similarities - between gamers.

garrett_duffman

ive got to say... i disagree. the "casuals" put more time into wii fit than hardcores, they played more wii sports and wii fit, they play games for longer than "hardcores" who rush to complete a game so they can complain about how fast they beat it and how they need "hardcore" games, when in all actuality, they should probably be doing other things.

That's actually a trait of casual gamers: playing more of a single game for more time. But I was talking about time spent EACH DAY playing games. The typical division is that core gamers are more likely to play every day, and for 3+ hours per day. Casual gamers are much more likely to game during breaks and for short bursts.

I've put waaaaay over 100 hours into Sims 1 and Sims 2. I've played them for YEARS, rather than the lifespan of most games being a few days or weeks. That still doesn't make Sims a core game, nor did it make me a core gamer. :P

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

GabuEx

Man, we could get a Star Fox Wii, a F-zero Wii, Punch-Out Wii, Pikmin 3, a new Zelda AND a new Mario all announced on the same day and we'd get many of these on the boards:

Where's my Luigi's Mansion 2? :cry: Where's my Kid Icarus? :cry: Where's my *insert title*? :cry::cry::cry:

Nintendo has a rather good balance between the casual and the hardcore gamers out now and still many 12 year old whiners say they're not pleased one single bit.

I mean yeah SSBB and Mario Kart Wii, they're keeping me occupied and they're going to for the next couple years :D Plus, the additions of more confirmed games already happening. All in all, it's all good 8)

wiifan001

These "core games" are for geeks like u who want a game so "hard" and "innovative"! These games are made to have fun!!! Nintendo targets people who can easily pick up these games and have fun! Not low-lives who want to play everyday, get tired of the game one day after purchase, and then get a new one and then the cycle goes on! Nintendo makes games for real people! Another thing is Nintendo uses the same mechanics so that people can be familiar with the games! What u want them to drastically change each series!? nelfer320

Permission to quote you for truth in my sig, sir?

[QUOTE="nelfer320"]These "core games" are for geeks like u who want a game so "hard" and "innovative"! These games are made to have fun!!! Nintendo targets people who can easily pick up these games and have fun! Not low-lives who want to play everyday, get tired of the game one day after purchase, and then get a new one and then the cycle goes on! Nintendo makes games for real people! Another thing is Nintendo uses the same mechanics so that people can be familiar with the games! What u want them to drastically change each series!? clicketyclick

Permission to quote you for truth in my sig, sir?

For the rest of this year I will be getting Animal Crossing (with wiispeak), Call of Duty, Guitar Hero and maybe wii music.

Next year I will be getting Madworld, The Conduit, Wii Sports Resort, Punch-Out!!, Sin & Punishment 2, The DSi, the New DS WarioWare, Mario & Luigi RPG 3 and some of the GameCube Remakes SO FAR AT THE VERY LEAST.

I consider myself hardcore but I'm pretty sorted until about june next year.

Does Reggie play Mario Kart Wii and Super Smash Bros. Brawl day after day? I played Brawl for about 2 hours each day for the first couple of months it came it, because I got it at midnight. After that, I still played it regularly and at friends houses. Now, SSBB is just a little old. What Nintendo should do is have downloadable content for these games, so it will be fresh and we will keep playing, because when we play the same game OVER AND OVER AND OVER, we get a little bit tired of it. And how could he even say Wii Fit's name? That's hardly a game at all, and is probably the least hardcore or "core" game on the Wii.

Now, I'm happy they have Punch-Out!! Wii and Sin and Punishment 2 coming out, but are those really games to get extremely excited about? I guess Fire Emblem DS should be, even though I'm not much of a Fire Emblem person.

And why does Nintendo think e should still be passified by Mario Galaxy? THe game is one month away from being a YEAR OLD! Most of got all the stars, unlocked Luigi, then got all the stars with him months ago!

I'm not trying to complain, because Animal Crossing: City Folk comes out in a month, about the games, but I want to see some fresh stuff.

It's ridiculous to see some of the posts in here. I don't think many of you realize it takes a long time to make a title like Mario or Zelda, especially when a fantastic franchise like Zelda is starting to slip.

It sounds like many of you are asking for yearly additions of these franchises, and more! Metroid and Mario are not like Madden in that aspect.

As for new franchises, we just got several announcements on brand new titles from Nintendo as well as some awesome sequels.

Im not whinning (as mentioned by the nintendo fanboy above), i'm stating an honest opinion that doesn't involve me bending down and kissing a companies butt. Having been playing Nintendo consoles (own all of them) for 20+ years...I can honestly say Wii is the very first time i've been underwhelmed by what Wii has to offer. If people disagree with me, thats fine...I can handle 'flaming' (word used around these forums) but at least i'm not lying to myself saying otherwise.

chex81

I disagree with you, look at this

Zelda-Check

Mario-check

Mario Kart-check

smash brothers-check

paper mario-check

metroid-check

we know that a full Wii Zelda is in the works, possibly another Mario, Kid Icarus, Punch out, Pikmin 3 all within 3 years of the console coming out. The only thing were missing is Star Fox, and a true Donkey Kong game what more could people want? yet they say that Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore because they have the common sense to also produce things and actively market things like Wii Sports and Wii Fit for the audience who doesn't hang out on the message boards and visit IGN for their news everyday. Hardware wise Nintendo is scewing up with the storage thing, but software wise they have not abandoned hardcore gamers, quite the contrary they are performing well above par. Now for third party devs its another story, they give us what we call hardcore titles, but they just suck alot of the time.

[QUOTE="chex81"]

Im not whinning (as mentioned by the nintendo fanboy above), i'm stating an honest opinion that doesn't involve me bending down and kissing a companies butt. Having been playing Nintendo consoles (own all of them) for 20+ years...I can honestly say Wii is the very first time i've been underwhelmed by what Wii has to offer. If people disagree with me, thats fine...I can handle 'flaming' (word used around these forums) but at least i'm not lying to myself saying otherwise.

Sepewrath

I disagree with you, look at this

Zelda-Check

Mario-check

Mario Kart-check

smash brothers-check

paper mario-check

metroid-check

we know that a full Wii Zelda is in the works, possibly another Mario, Kid Icarus, Punch out, Pikmin 3 all within 3 years of the console coming out. The only thing were missing is Star Fox, and a true Donkey Kong game what more could people want? yet they say that Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore because they have the common sense to also produce things and actively market things like Wii Sports and Wii Fit for the audience who doesn't hang out on the message boards and visit IGN for their news everyday. Hardware wise Nintendo is scewing up with the storage thing, but software wise they have not abandoned hardcore gamers, quite the contrary they are performing well above par. Now for third party devs its another story, they give us what we call hardcore titles, but they just suck alot of the time.

How do we know Kid Icarus is coming out? I have never heard Nintendo confirm this at all :X

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="GodsPetFido"]

He's probably right. Yet I haven't received a Wii game in the past six months, so it's either myself or there's bug in Nintendo's industry. Oh well, more games on the way.

I laughed at the comment saying Mario Kart was hardcore. Personally, it isn't.

TX360

it's a shame your game score does not = good player.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

Man, we could get a Star Fox Wii, a F-zero Wii, Punch-Out Wii, Pikmin 3, a new Zelda AND a new Mario all announced on the same day and we'd get many of these on the boards:

Where's my Luigi's Mansion 2? :cry: Where's my Kid Icarus? :cry: Where's my *insert title*? :cry::cry::cry:

Nintendo has a rather good balance between the casual and the hardcore gamers out now and still many 12 year old whiners say they're not pleased one single bit.

I mean yeah SSBB and Mario Kart Wii, they're keeping me occupied and they're going to for the next couple years :D Plus, the additions of more confirmed games already happening. All in all, it's all good 8)

AAwiidog

Hey whoa man I wasn't specifically aiming that toward you as an individual, just that age group. Come to think of it, actually the range of age is much greater than that in reality.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

He's right

Reggie's new stance should be giving everyone the finger and then telling everyone to screw.

Whatever new they come out with people aren't happy.

Jaysonguy

I have no idea what you're talking about

In the future please don't link me with stances I don't choose

i honestly don't see why you were making such a commotion back at the conference days when obviously there is a market for them in that area.

sure it might be one simple area, but a stupid complaint is still a stupid complaint.

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

GabuEx

That is the quote of the day :D I mean I almost thought of putting that in my sig.

I don't try nor consider myself one of the whiners it's just that Nintendo doesnt give me what I want. In all honesty I think they give the core what they want but just not me. I can live without Animal Crossing,Pikmin,Metroid,Zelda,Sin & Punishment,Punch-Out, and Battalion Wars. But I'd like atleast a F-zero,Star fox,Mario, and a Donkey Kong title at least every 6 or 7 months. In between I can careless what they release.SonicBalla

And this just proves Reggie's point. Those are ridiculous expectations.

Nintendo has been putting out the games to IP's that the core gamers love. It's the third parties that kept putting out garbage.

He's right

Reggie's new stance should be giving everyone the finger and then telling everyone to screw.

Whatever new they come out with people aren't happy.

Jaysonguy

That's pretty much what's going on already.

I'm not going to say that Nintendo has abandon the 'core' crowed by any means, but there is a serious issue concerning Nintendo's attitude towards the release of 'casual' style products and how they're overshadowing even Nintendo's own IPs (Metroid prime 3) to the extent that they may hinder the 'not-so-casual' titles (Mother 3, Captain Rainbow, Disaster) from even being released worldwide.

I want anyone who wants to play Wiifit or Wiimusic to have as much fun doing so as possible, but NOA is choosing to allow these types of titles to completely destroy the potential that the more serious Nintendo games might have.

You can't just hand pick a portion of your total product line up to release and then question why people aren't entirely happy. It's irrational. You're dangling around fantastic new hardware and software and saying, "Well, maybe we'll release it...We'll see." or "Maybe sometime late 2009" and then follow it up with "The people who want our products the most and want to empty their bank accounts for us are so hard to please."

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

wiifan001

That is the quote of the day :D I mean I almost thought of putting that in my sig.

Well, since people are agreeing with it, I'll point why what he said is wrong.

It misrepresents what people were saying. First, people were saying they want more GOOD third-party games, not just third-party games in general. Later, people weren't saying "forget the third party games"; they were saying something akin to: "third parties have stepped up, but Ninty has stepped down." There is nothing contradictory about what "everyone" (and those are scare-quotes because gamers aren't monolithic here as GabuEx presents them to be) was saying. They want a significant number of good third-party games AND some core games from Nintendo. First party, second party, and third party.

That's pretty much what's going on already.

I'm not going to say that Nintendo has abandon the 'core' crowed by any means, but there is a serious issue concerning Nintendo's attitude towards the release of 'casual' style products and how they're overshadowing even Nintendo's own IPs (Metroid prime 3) to the extent that they may hinder the 'not-so-casual' titles (Mother 3, Captain Rainbow, Disaster) from even being released worldwide.

I want anyone who wants to play Wiifit or Wiimusic to have as much fun doing so as possible, but NOA is choosing to allow these types of titles to completely destroy the potential that the more serious Nintendo games might have.

You can't just hand pick a portion of your total product line up to release and then question why people aren't entirely happy. It's irrational. You're dangling around fantastic new hardware and software and saying, "Well, maybe we'll release it...We'll see." or "Maybe sometime late 2009" and then follow it up with "The people who want our products the most and want to empty their bank accounts for us are so hard to please."

Hells_Hammer

Oh hecks ya. Exactly. Well put.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

clicketyclick

That is the quote of the day :D I mean I almost thought of putting that in my sig.

Well, since people are agreeing with it, I'll point why what he said is wrong.

It misrepresents what people were saying. First, people were saying they want more GOOD third-party games, not just third-party games in general. Later, people weren't saying "forget the third party games"; they were saying something akin to: "third parties have stepped up, but Ninty has stepped down." There is nothing contradictory about what "everyone" (and those are scare-quotes because gamers aren't monolithic here as GabuEx presents them to be) was saying. They want a significant number of good third-party games AND some core games from Nintendo. First party, second party, and third party.

Well maybe the 3rd party companies had a better chance to step up whenever Nintendo decided to step down for a moment and let the 3rd party titles shine for the Wii.

In the mean time, Nintendo is working heavily on the DSi and then they'll go back to Wii. A possibility it is.

"The gaming enthusiast that buys a tremendous amount of games is truly insatiable," Fils-Aime says. "As an example, in March, we launched Super Smash Bros. Brawl. In April, we launched Mario Kart. In later April, we launched Wii Fit. Then, in July, at E3, they say, 'where are the games?' They say they want the next Mario game. Super Mario Galaxy isn't even a year old yet."

So true. I swear, half the people here complain about lack of games. Heres some advice.
1. Look at games that are already out
2. Look at games that are coming out soon
3. Look at games that are on the way
4. Think about possible games to come
5. Go to the VC to buy some retro titles
6. Look at WiiWare

Christ, so much content yet all I hear is people complaining. As bob said, I know who is going to complain, the usuals.

[QUOTE="Hells_Hammer"]

That's pretty much what's going on already.

I'm not going to say that Nintendo has abandon the 'core' crowed by any means, but there is a serious issue concerning Nintendo's attitude towards the release of 'casual' style products and how they're overshadowing even Nintendo's own IPs (Metroid prime 3) to the extent that they may hinder the 'not-so-casual' titles (Mother 3, Captain Rainbow, Disaster) from even being released worldwide.

I want anyone who wants to play Wiifit or Wiimusic to have as much fun doing so as possible, but NOA is choosing to allow these types of titles to completely destroy the potential that the more serious Nintendo games might have.

You can't just hand pick a portion of your total product line up to release and then question why people aren't entirely happy. It's irrational. You're dangling around fantastic new hardware and software and saying, "Well, maybe we'll release it...We'll see." or "Maybe sometime late 2009" and then follow it up with "The people who want our products the most and want to empty their bank accounts for us are so hard to please."

clicketyclick

Oh hecks ya. Exactly. Well put.

Heh, thanks man. I'm just going to go over it, as it's giving me a headache.

"The gaming enthusiast that buys a tremendous amount of games is truly insatiable," Fils-Aime says.

I'll start here. It's a terribly bad idea to complain about or criticize your customers who are so dedicated to keeping your company afloat and making you rich. A gaming enthusiast is the long term customer...if they're insatiable, you're company can always rely on them for sales. How is that a bad thing?

"As an example, in March, we launched Super Smash Bros. Brawl. In April, we launched Mario Kart. In later April, we launched Wii Fit. Then, in July, at E3, they say, 'where are the games?' They say they want the next Mario game. Super Mario Galaxy isn't even a year old yet." "

But then you announce Captain Rainbow and Fatal Frame 4 for Japan!

And Disaster Day of Crisis for Japan and Europe.

And that the DSi is coming to Japan in a month.

And that America and Europe, or anyone else for that matter, will be waiting for months or indefinitely.

The real question is: "Where are THESE games, Reggie? Where are the games you made, BESIDES Mario, Zelda, Wiifit, WiiPlay, Wiisports, and Wiimusic?"

As far as I'm concerned I have already gotten my moneys worth out of the wii. TP, and Galaxy both were mind-blowingly awesome. Brawl and MP 3 were fantastic. Mario Kart, Super Paper Mario, were also good. And the soft-core games weren't that bad eather- wii sports, wii fit, wario ware.

Nintendo Put out some great 1st party games and I am content with what I got.

I think to stop people whining they should space out their game releases more. Say, Brawl, Wii Fit and Mario Kart all came out within 2 months of each other.

No, I don't think he's right. I'm not an insatiable gamer, I don't have that much time for games lately and I can go months without getting a new game and be just fine. But when I look at the Wii, there just isn't that much available as of this moment. Yes, I agree there's some big things coming up, but if I went to the store right now, the only game I'd be interested in is De Blob.

Brawl? Yeah it's fun. But the majority of the time I need to play online if I'm going to play with people, and it just isn't worth the hassle. I thought Mario Kart sucked, and WiiFit is not the kind of game that hardcore fans are generally referring to.

As far as I'm concerned, Galaxy and WiiFit are the only two 'next-gen' offerings we've had from Nintendo, and I'm not sure if WiiFit is really a game.

I'm not whining, or demanding more from them, I really couldn't care less right now. But I think Reggie claiming they've done enough for hardcore gamers is preposterous.

i am not satisfied cause the last good game nintendo made for single player is galaxy and its 10 months old,my wii collects dust those last 8-9 months .yes good games need many years development but you can finish everything in a month and you will need something else to play ....

i dont want a new mario each month but a good single player game every 2-3 months isnt alot to ask

I largely agree with Reggie. I distinctly remember last year when everyone was saying, "The Wii only has first-party games! There should be more third-party games!" Now that we have substantially more third-party games coming, everyone's saying, "Forget the third party games, I want the next Mario and Zelda!"

Quite frankly I'm glad that Nintendo has basically made their strategy to blatantly ignore everything their fans say.

GabuEx

Reggie is always right. Us gamers ALWAYS want more....but within three months, I had Brawl, Kart, and Fit to keep my time occupied....and STILL continue to play those to this day. I am currently playing Brawl, Kart, Fit, Dr Mario, Galaxy (great replay value, especially if you haven't beaten it 100%), Lego Star Wars: Complete Saga, Lego Indiana Jones, and MLB Power Pros.....and those are just games on the Wii. I am about to buy Boom Blox (since the price finally came down), and am about to get Lego Batman.

To make a long story short....Nintendo is doing a great job with the games they are giving us, and a great job spreading out the classic titles. If we had a new Mario game right now, it would be mediocre at best because they would have rushed it to come out.

Yea, would I love to see a Star Fox game? a Kid Icirus game? a new Zelda? a new Mario adventure? SURE....BUT give them time. They haven't disappointed yet, and they won't in the future.

holy ****. i posted this yesterday. didnt think there'd be this many hits, and this is only my second time looking at this topic.

oh well, keep up the good work:lol:

let me try to make this point as clear as possible, concidering that i have to run to my next class in just a few min...

first of all, after E3, ive lost confidence in reguard to PR and presidents like reggie. the blond chick (he name escapes me) is obviously wet behind the ears as she just came from working for yahoo. as for reggie, i lost all respect for him as he stated, "...left out? how could the hardcore feel left out?weve got GTA chinatown and Animal crossing coming out. how could they feel left out."

im sorry, but that just insulted me as a gamer, and as a semi intelligent person. GTA chinatown, a DS game, and Animal crossing? that just shows how disconnected reggie is from dedicated consumers.

let me try to make another point looking back at what ign asked at the end of the article, "is brawl and mario kart (no more heroes ill add) enough to hold over the hardcore audience?" my answer is absolutely not. TRADITIONAL core gamers wont get fixated on only a handful of games thoughout the year. they want more. now, referring to ign's question, i think its flawed. there are more hardcore games that are coming out later in the year other than brawl and MK uncluding deBlob which just came out, deadly creatures, Dokapon Kingdom, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution 2 if ur into that, SPRay, Monster Lab, Call of Duty: World at War, Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars, Animal Crossing: City Folk, Need for Speed Undercover, Castlevania Judgment, Sonic Unleashed, and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World.

i personally wont be buying every game, but gamers... u will have choices by the end of the year. if u want to complain to Nintendo, thats fine. im not too happy with them either, but they ARE just one company and they're doing A LOT. support third parties as best u can. (soapbox: what pisses me off is when gamers complain that there are no games, then a game comes out and they say thing like "its generic or it sucks. then when the third party isnt too happy of their sales on wii, they turn away and the whole damn cycle starts again) if the line up for the remainder of the year, and the games revealed at nintendo's recent conference doesnt satisfy u...

well... just by another system. i dont see how owning only a Wii can satisfy TRADITIONAL hardcore gamers. i own all three, and the only thing im complaining about it where am i gonna get the time to play all these damn games.

You called Dokapon Kingdom a hardcore game.

I think my work here is done.

soapbox: what pisses me off is when gamers complain that there are no games, then a game comes out and they say thing like "its generic or it sucks". then when the third party isnt too happy of their sales on wii, they turn away and the whole damn cycle starts againmrjam0

No, I don't think he's right. I'm not an insatiable gamer, I don't have that much time for games lately and I can go months without getting a new game and be just fine. But when I look at the Wii, there just isn't that much available as of this moment.
presto7640

Not much available? There is tons available. Just because you don't like the software doesn't mean there is a lack of software.

[QUOTE="presto7640"]

No, I don't think he's right. I'm not an insatiable gamer, I don't have that much time for games lately and I can go months without getting a new game and be just fine. But when I look at the Wii, there just isn't that much available as of this moment.
Haziqonfire

Not much available? There is tons available. Just because you don't like the software doesn't mean there is a lack of software.

[QUOTE="presto7640"]

No, I don't think he's right. I'm not an insatiable gamer, I don't have that much time for games lately and I can go months without getting a new game and be just fine. But when I look at the Wii, there just isn't that much available as of this moment.
Haziqonfire

Not much available? There is tons available. Just because you don't like the software doesn't mean there is a lack of software.

well yes, that's not really what i meant, i guess i could've been clearer. obviously if i go to the wii section it's filled with games, but most i don't want. so, i didn't actually mean to say there are few actual, physical, wii games in existence, just few that appeal to me.

Man, we could get a Star Fox Wii, a F-zero Wii, Punch-Out Wii, Pikmin 3, a new Zelda AND a new Mario all announced on the same day and we'd get many of these on the boards:

Where's my Luigi's Mansion 2? :cry: Where's my Kid Icarus? :cry: Where's my *insert title*? :cry::cry::cry:

Nintendo has a rather good balance between the casual and the hardcore gamers out now and still many 12 year old whiners say they're not pleased one single bit.

I mean yeah SSBB and Mario Kart Wii, they're keeping me occupied and they're going to for the next couple years :D Plus, the additions of more confirmed games already happening. All in all, it's all good 8)

wiifan001

... you're one of the people hes talking about..... Mario Galaxy still isn't even a year old.. and people are asking for another one ? thats just... no... just no...

I agree with him. If we're so needy, just go out and either go build a PC for PC gaming, or buy another console. I finally finished building my PC and I'm playing games like Spore, CoD 2, and Need for Speed.

Though maybe it isn't that we just don't have games. Maybe we're frustrated that the Wii's full potential has STILL not been met yet. EVERYONE immediately thought about Star Wars and lightsabers when we saw the Wiimote, that really hasn't happened yet. What about a kickass baseball game? Still hasn't happened. What happened to more Wii channels? The list just goes on and on, and I think we're frustrated that while the 360 and PS3 consoles get updated frequently with new things, our Wii has essentially remained the same for the last 2 years.

... and I think we're frustrated that while the 360 and PS3 consoles get updated frequently with new things, our Wii has essentially remained the same for the last 2 years.

remmbermytitans

You're statement is true, but doesn't defend the point at all. If we don't like what is available, then of course there is a lack of games available... from our point of view.raahsnavj

The only thing there is that "there are no games I'm interested in" is entirely different from "there are no games". Quite frankly I think that if there are no games out that someone's interested in that that's that person's problem. Personally, I find it more than a little selfish when people act as if it's Nintendo's problem that they're not riveted to their TV with awesome Nintendo games every single day. I think people have a tendency to forget that Nintendo is just one single developer. They're a big developer to be sure, but people seem to have this impression that there should be Nintendo games and third-party games in roughly equal quantities on the Wii, as if Nintendo should be able to make as many games as every other developer combined.

If there's a lull in games for a bit, sure, people will get angry. Then they'll come back and all will be forgiven when the next game is released that they want. I have no doubt that Nintendo is fully aware of that, and it makes all of this drama rather tedious.