Scizor moveset help?

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#1 DoubleRainb0w
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I need help on my moveset for scizor :\ I just can't decide between these two. It's EV trained for Att and HP if it helps o: And it's ability is technician -Roost OR Substitute -Swords Dance -X-Scissor (Bug bite wud be nice since it's base power will go to 90 after techinician, but unfortunately I'm playing Platinum so no Bug bite here D: ) OR Brick Break -Bullet Punch So yeah I need help on whether I shud use Roost or Substitute, and X-Scissor or Brick Break :\ Superpower sounds nice, but I just used up my 6 red shards for my salamence and have no more :\ Underground takes too long xD
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#2 Icare0
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Neither.

Adamant, Technician, EV:4HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPE

@Choice Band

Bullet Punch

U-turn

Superpower

Pursuit

This is the most used set in the entire 4th generation metagame for a reason. After you use it, you won't want other scizor for a looooong time.


Edit: Wait, you don't play platinum? And want a scizor? How the hell you will get Bullet Punch?

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#3 Soulreavercross
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Get an Adamant one with Technician

Bullet Punch
X-Scissor
Sword Dance
Baton Pass

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#4 Icare0
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Get an Adamant one with Technician

Bullet Punch
X-Scissor
Sword Dance
Baton Pass

Soulreavercross

Most of the time, scizor doesn't have the free turn to pass SD boost, because most of its counters kill it on a single fire attack AND outspeed, so Baton Pass isn't a good option. Roost is better, nulifying the damage taken on the turn you SD'ed.

Also, the lack of Brick Break make this set easy to be walled by any Stell pokemon.

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#5 lovetheblindone
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I am curious about this thread as I, myself, was looking for good move-set for my IN-GAME Scizor.

Scizor (W/ Swarm. Yes, I know Technician is better)
Nature: Adamant.
Item: Muscle Band (?).
Moves:
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Iron Head.
- Night Slash.
- Swords Dance.
- X-scissor.

EV: Atk 255 /Spe 255 (I also know that 252 / 252 / 6 is better).

After reading this thread; I plan on changing Night Slash to Break Brick, however, I don't plan on re-catching or even breeding for Technician (I just hit level 100 today, and since it's only for in-game use, it's not going to be much of an issue).

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#6 Icare0
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I am curious about this thread as I, myself, was looking for good move-set for my IN-GAME Scizor.

Scizor (W/ Swarm. Yes, I know Technician is better)
Nature: Adamant.
Item: Muscle Band (?).
Moves:
-
Iron Head.
- Night Slash.
- Swords Dance.
- X-scissor.

EV: Atk 255 /Spe 255 (I also know that 252 / 252 / 6 is better).

After reading this thread; I plan on changing Night Slash to Break Brick, however, I don't plan on re-catching or even breeding for Technician (I just hit level 100 today, and since it's only for in-game use, it's not going to be much of an issue).

lovetheblindone

In-game? Anything works, but if you really want to be a perfectionist just change N.Slash to Brick Break. B.Punch wouldn't work, because you don't have a technician scizor and at Lv100 you outspeed anything anyway.

But at Lv 100, with an Adamant, Ev'ed, Scizor you could kill an Empoleon with a x4 resisted B.Punch, even without technician.

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#7 DoubleRainb0w
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Neither.

Adamant, Technician, EV:4HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPE

@Choice Band

Bullet Punch

U-turn

Superpower

Pursuit

This is the most used set in the entire 4th generation metagame for a reason. After you use it, you won't want other scizor for a looooong time.

Edit: Wait, you don't play platinum? And want a scizor? How the hell you will get Bullet Punch?

Icare0
I have platinum o-o I said I was playing Platinum so I couldnt get Bug Bite, I thought it was a 5th gen move but by judging on ur reaction i guess it isnt xD i was unclear on that. And im thinking of him as a sweeper even tho it has a 4x weakness to fire since 3 SDs or less and a bullet punch should be able to OHKO most fire pokemon if not all.
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#8 Icare0
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[QUOTE="Icare0"]

Neither.

Adamant, Technician, EV:4HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPE

@Choice Band

Bullet Punch

U-turn

Superpower

Pursuit

This is the most used set in the entire 4th generation metagame for a reason. After you use it, you won't want other scizor for a looooong time.

Edit: Wait, you don't play platinum? And want a scizor? How the hell you will get Bullet Punch?

DoubleRainb0w

I have platinum o-o I said I was playing Platinum so I couldnt get Bug Bite, I thought it was a 5th gen move but by judging on ur reaction i guess it isnt xD i was unclear on that. And im thinking of him as a sweeper even tho it has a 4x weakness to fire since 3 SDs or less and a bullet punch should be able to OHKO most fire pokemon if not all.

Okay. Brick Break and Roost, then.

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#9 Soulreavercross
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[QUOTE="Soulreavercross"]

Get an Adamant one with Technician

Bullet Punch
X-Scissor
Sword Dance
Baton Pass

Icare0

Most of the time, scizor doesn't have the free turn to pass SD boost, because most of its counters kill it on a single fire attack AND outspeed, so Baton Pass isn't a good option. Roost is better, nulifying the damage taken on the turn you SD'ed.

Also, the lack of Brick Break make this set easy to be walled by any Stell pokemon.

Everyone has their own strategy, but this one never fails me. Once scizor holds the occa berry? (the one that cuts super effectiveness of fire), it should be okay...and many times you can predict if your opponent has a fire move and baton pass to freedom.

Many times, unless your opponent has a fire or fighting move, scizor can be hard to take down. Hence you can sword dance and baton pass to someone else, making them a powerful sweeping tank. If you're worried about being walled by a steel type, sword dance x3 and baton pass....even so, once sword dance is maxed out getting hit with a bullet punch is almost the equivalent of being hit with an explosion...and since it's always a first strike move, it's a win-win.

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#10 Icare0
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[QUOTE="Icare0"]

[QUOTE="Soulreavercross"]

Get an Adamant one with Technician

Bullet Punch
X-Scissor
Sword Dance
Baton Pass

Soulreavercross

Most of the time, scizor doesn't have the free turn to pass SD boost, because most of its counters kill it on a single fire attack AND outspeed, so Baton Pass isn't a good option. Roost is better, nulifying the damage taken on the turn you SD'ed.

Also, the lack of Brick Break make this set easy to be walled by any Stell pokemon.

Everyone has their own strategy, but this one never fails me. Once scizor holds the occa berry? (the one that cuts super effectiveness of fire), it should be okay...and many times you can predict if your opponent has a fire move and baton pass to freedom.

Many times, unless your opponent has a fire or fighting move, scizor can be hard to take down. Hence you can sword dance and baton pass to someone else, making them a powerful sweeping tank. If you're worried about being walled by a steel type, sword dance x3 and baton pass....even so, once sword dance is maxed out getting hit with a bullet punch is almost the equivalent of being hit with an explosion...and since it's always a first strike move, it's a win-win.

Well, you haven't said a thing before about occa berry. It could make the work as a passer, since dedicated BPasser Scizor is unheard of since platinum.

Edit: I've runs some calculations, on Smogon Damage Calculator and this is what I've found out:

Standard Heat Wave Zapdos VS 0/0 Occa Scizor 74.7% - 88.3%

Standard Heat Wave Zapdos VS Standard 248/0 BPasser Occa Scizor 61.2% - 72.3%

Standard HP(Fire) Magnezone VS 0/0 Occa Scizor = 65.5% - 77.6%

Standard HP(Fire) Magnezone VS Standard 248/0 BPasser Occa Scizor = 53.6% - 63.6%

Standard Fire Blast ScarfHeatran VS 0/0 Occa Scizoz = 168.7% - 198.6%

Standard Fire Blast ScarfHeatran VS Standard 248/0 BPasser Occa Scizor = 138.2% - 162.7%

Standard Fire Blast ScarfHeatran VS 252/252 Neutral Nature Occa Scizor = 103.5% - 122.7%

Standard Fire Blast ScarfHeatran VS 252/252 Careful Occa Scizor = 95% - 112.5%

252 Atk Adamant Scizor +2 Bullet Punch VS Standard ScarfHeatran = 20.4% - 24.1%

252 Atk Adamant Scizor +2 X-Scissor VS Standard ScarfHeatran = 27.2% - 32.2%

252 Atk Adamant Scizor +2 Bug Bite VS Standard ScarfHeatran = 30.7% - 36.2%

This means that the Scizor HAVE to run Occa Berry in order to dream about passing the SD boost against the textbook scizor counters, and even then, it still is OHKO by the standard Heatran, the most used poke this side of SS/HG. Hell, even with max defenses and positive nature it still have a good chance to be OHKO'd after Stealth Rock damage. Then again, the surprise factor *could* help it sweep/pass the SD.

Ah, and before I forget, Bug Bite does more damage than X-Scissor due to technician, so if possible, and you really want a bug STAB, get it.