Should Nintendo make its own first-person shooter for the Wii U?

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#51 Jaysonguy
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Metroid is a first person shooter, it's a first party game

They answered you many years ago, you just found out now

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#52 Jaysonguy
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fps games are a fad that needs to die offelbert_b_23

Let me guess, you also said things like "this HD stuff, just a fad"

"internet higher then 56k, in what lifetime would anyone need that?"

and let us not forget

"video games are just a fad, they'll go away soon"

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#53 famicommander
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Metroid is a first person shooter, it's a first party game

They answered you many years ago, you just found out now

Jaysonguy
Already been discussed more than once. Metroid controls like a first person shooter but shares little else in common with the genre. It's an action/adventure game first, a platforming game second, arguably a puzzle game third, and a shooter fourth. If the game was exactly the same as it is now but third person nobody would've called it a TPS, they'd call it an action adventure. Just like if it were first person with melee controls... little else about how you play the game and how you experience it would be different. It's like saying Mega Man is a third person shooter or Fallout 3 is a first person shooter.
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#54 Sepewrath
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[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]fps games are a fad that needs to die offJaysonguy

Let me guess, you also said things like "this HD stuff, just a fad"

"internet higher then 56k, in what lifetime would anyone need that?"

and let us not forget

"video games are just a fad, they'll go away soon"

I say this internet thing in general is a fad, people will get over it soon enough.
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#55 AutoPilotOn
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fps games are a fad that needs to die offelbert_b_23
Lol they have been around almost as long on video games have been around and it's a fad?
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#56 Jaysonguy
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Metroid is a first person shooter, it's a first party game

They answered you many years ago, you just found out now

famicommander

Already been discussed more than once. Metroid controls like a first person shooter but shares little else in common with the genre. It's an action/adventure game first, a platforming game second, arguably a puzzle game third, and a shooter fourth. If the game was exactly the same as it is now but third person nobody would've called it a TPS, they'd call it an action adventure. Just like if it were first person with melee controls... little else about how you play the game and how you experience it would be different. It's like saying Mega Man is a third person shooter or Fallout 3 is a first person shooter.

Mega Man is (depending what game you're playing) a 2D action adventure or a 3D action adventure, Fallout 3 is a FPS RPG

The idea that Metroid isn't a FPS is wrong, you're in a FPS and you do things that all other FPS games make you do.

If the game was in third person it would be a third person action adventure since that's the genre of games like that, FPS is what we call games like the last 3 (not that awful side scrolling one) Metroid games.

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#57 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]fps games are a fad that needs to die offAutoPilotOn
Lol they have been around almost as long on video games have been around and it's a fad?

Not really Video Games were around since the 1940s or 1950s But console gaming has been around since 1972. FPS genre was created in 1992 but it is still been around for 20 years already.

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#58 meetroid8
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Metroid is a first person shooter, it's a first party game

They answered you many years ago, you just found out now

Jaysonguy

Already been discussed more than once. Metroid controls like a first person shooter but shares little else in common with the genre. It's an action/adventure game first, a platforming game second, arguably a puzzle game third, and a shooter fourth. If the game was exactly the same as it is now but third person nobody would've called it a TPS, they'd call it an action adventure. Just like if it were first person with melee controls... little else about how you play the game and how you experience it would be different. It's like saying Mega Man is a third person shooter or Fallout 3 is a first person shooter.

Mega Man is (depending what game you're playing) a 2D action adventure or a 3D action adventure, Fallout 3 is a FPS RPG

The idea that Metroid isn't a FPS is wrong, you're in a FPS and you do things that all other FPS games make you do.

If the game was in third person it would be a third person action adventure since that's the genre of games like that, FPS is what we call games like the last 3 (not that awful side scrolling one) Metroid games.

It's not an FPS and it's not an action adventure. It's hybrid, though it does share more traits with adventure games than it does a traditional FPS.
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#59 AutoPilotOn
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The first fps were in the 70s. It was just in the 90s it took off with wolfenstein and doom stuff like that.
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#60 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]fps games are a fad that needs to die offJaysonguy

Let me guess, you also said things like "this HD stuff, just a fad"

"internet higher then 56k, in what lifetime would anyone need that?"

and let us not forget

"video games are just a fad, they'll go away soon"

What if he just doesn't like the amount of FPS games today or dislikes the genre in general?

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#61 WreckEm711
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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]fps games are a fad that needs to die offnameless12345

Let me guess, you also said things like "this HD stuff, just a fad"

"internet higher then 56k, in what lifetime would anyone need that?"

and let us not forget

"video games are just a fad, they'll go away soon"

What if he just doesn't like the amount of FPS games today or dislikes the genre in general?

Then thats a stupid reason to want other people to miss out on what they enjoy

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#62 goblaa
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Don't make this a jasonguy thread...

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#63 nini200
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The Fad ... is a Fad :P
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#64 norm41x
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Peoples complaints are usually a fad. I think thats what he may have meant? IMO the complaints you have now usually go away once the console is released and have had the experience of using it. FPS are in a fad right now though definitely. I call it the COD fad lol.

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#65 meetroid8
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Peoples complaints are usually a fad. I think thats what he may have meant? IMO the complaints you have now usually go away once the console is released and have had the experience of using it. FPS are in a fad right now though definitely. I call it the COD fad lol.

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A fad that has lasted over 20 years?
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#66 norm41x
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Yes.

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#67 meetroid8
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Your logic is undeniable.
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#68 Kenny789
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I immediately thought of "Metroid Prime Hunters U".
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#69 norm41x
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Your logic is undeniable. meetroid8
It will soon pass once (if) Nintendo introduces something new to the FPS genre. If it stays after the next gen of consoles are released then I will admit my defeat. Next episode of this conversation = Wii U release date.
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#70 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Your logic is undeniable. norm41x
It will soon pass once (if) Nintendo introduces something new to the FPS genre. If it stays after the next gen of consoles are released then I will admit my defeat. Next episode of this conversation = Wii U release date.

If they do make a FPS game, I hope they'll innovate the genre because it really needs it.

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#71 D4W1L4H
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I think they should include a multiplayer in Metriod.

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#72 meetroid8
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I think they should include a multiplayer in Metriod.

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Maybe, multiplayer in Echoes was terrible. Multiplayer in Hunters was fun, but it was coupled with a terrible singleplayer.
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#73 norm41x
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Maybe a Metroid Prime Hunters for the Wii U, kind of like Quake 3. Metroid Prime... Arena???

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#74 nini200
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As long as it's a Futuristic shooter of some kind, even if it's a strange take on futuristic weapons in the past. For instance, if Laser Weapons, Pulse Rifles, EMP Emitters, Hover Suits etc, were put in the 1800's, it should be fine and I believe Nintendo can pull off an idea like that very successfully.
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#75 nameless12345
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Maybe a Metroid Prime Hunters for the Wii U, kind of like Quake 3. Metroid Prime... Arena???

norm41x

That actually isn't a bad idea. It should just be priced accordingly to it's content.

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#76 nini200
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I think they should include a multiplayer in Metriod.

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I must say, I think Meetroid has some competition with the ponies now.
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#77 PSWiiU
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Hopefully if they make an FPS it's innovative like Portal or Metroid Prime (which are both FPS. You are in a first person point of view shooting things as the main gameplay. they both just also have adventure/puzzle elements)

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#78 meetroid8
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[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

I think they should include a multiplayer in Metriod.

nini200
I must say, I think Meetroid has some competition with the ponies now.

What? D4W1L4H lost a bet, I lost all of my shame. :P

Hopefully if they make an FPS it's innovative like Portal or Metroid Prime (which are both FPS. You are in a first person point of view shooting things as the main gameplay. they both just also have adventure/puzzle elements)

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Portal is not an FPS, it isn't about shooting anything, it's a puzzle game.
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#79 norm41x
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Meetroid8 is right, Portal is a puzzle game with FPS view. FPS stands for First Person Shooter. Games in First Person that are not shooters are not FPS games, they are whichever adventure, action, puzzle, etc. games. Metroid Prime is a First Person Adventure. Adventures have shooting and jumping, good example is Tomb Raider which is a Third Person View game. Major differences guys. The camera view does not equal game genre.

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#80 feryl06
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I like the idea of a Mario World FPS with all the characters and then some in the Nintendo Universe. :) Sort of like a Smash Brothers but with a FPS or even third person POV. Or if not, I'd like to see nintendo come up with a flagship original FPS, like Halo is to Xbox and Killzone is to PS3. One can dream... :)

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#81 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Metroid is a first person shooter, it's a first party game

They answered you many years ago, you just found out now

Jaysonguy

Already been discussed more than once. Metroid controls like a first person shooter but shares little else in common with the genre. It's an action/adventure game first, a platforming game second, arguably a puzzle game third, and a shooter fourth. If the game was exactly the same as it is now but third person nobody would've called it a TPS, they'd call it an action adventure. Just like if it were first person with melee controls... little else about how you play the game and how you experience it would be different. It's like saying Mega Man is a third person shooter or Fallout 3 is a first person shooter.

Mega Man is (depending what game you're playing) a 2D action adventure or a 3D action adventure, Fallout 3 is a FPS RPG

The idea that Metroid isn't a FPS is wrong, you're in a FPS and you do things that all other FPS games make you do.

If the game was in third person it would be a third person action adventure since that's the genre of games like that, FPS is what we call games like the last 3 (not that awful side scrolling one) Metroid games.

Your reply is completely inconsistent. The perspective does not determine the genre. If a game goes from third person/action adventure to first person then it is obviously a first person action/adventure game. Now, let's take a game like Halo. I think we'd all agree that it's a first person shooter. If you changed the perspective to third person, shooting would still be the core mechanic. The genre hasn't changed, just the perspective, so it's a third person shooter. Saying Metroid Prime is a first person shooter because you're in first person and you shoot things is absolutely no different than saying Metroid Fusion is a third person shooter because it's a third person perspective and you shoot things. Fusion is still obviously an action/adventure game, as perspective doesn't determine genre. Gunstar Heroes is a game which shares the same perspective as Metroid Fusion (2D, third person, sidescrolling) but it obviously isn't the same type of game. Here's shot of God of War. It's a 3D game, and I see some platforms:  3D+platforms=3D platformer, right? So God of War is the same genre as Mario Galaxy? See how that mentality doesn't work? When you are categorizing a game by genre the first step is to identify the core mechanic of the game. The one aspect of the game that sets it apart from other games. In Metroid, it's definitely the exploration. I don't think that's arguable whether you're talking Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, or Super Metroid. Exploration is a core mechanic of the action/adventure genre. Games like Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and Deus Ex are clearly more similar to games like Fable, Elder Scrolls, and Witcher than they are games like Duke Nukem, Halo, or Call of Duty. And Metroid Prime shares more in common with games like Castlevania than Killzone.
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#82 Nfan89
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Any new IP from Nintendo sounds good. The FPS market is so saturated and dull now days I would kill myself if it's another CS, Battlefield, COD knock off though.
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#83 Philokalia
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Nintendo could make a fun multiplayer based FPS Mii experience. Customize custumes and look. A range of whacky guns and weapons. Levels Set in some standard Nintendo franchises. I could get into that.

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#84 Los9090
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Nintendo could make a fun multiplayer based FPS Mii experience. Customize custumes and look. A range of whacky guns and weapons. Levels Set in some standard Nintendo franchises. I could get into that.

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That would be pretty funny. I'd like to see an unlockable Mario or Luigi too in a game like that
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#85 irspasten
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obviously matriot is a fps they need to do some of these
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#86 meetroid8
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obviously matriot is a fps they need to do some of theseirspasten
What?
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#87 Audacitron
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While the market is pretty much flooded with FPS games, I think Nintendo should do one for the WiiU specifically taylored to take advantage of its unique capabilities and add variety to gameplay in ways other consoles can't match.

I envision things like holding the tablet infront of the tv to act as a scope for sniping.

Another idea might be using it as a mirror to check for enemies sneaking up on you.

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#88 bjvill
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I envision things like holding the tablet infront of the tv to act as a scope for sniping.

Another idea might be using it as a mirror to check for enemies sneaking up on you.

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In the E3 trailer last year, one of the concepts was showing the controller mounted on some sort of wii zapper, like a scope. Like you said, if Nintendo can use a FPS to use its system's new features in a good way, it'd probably do really good. And if it did good, 3rd party developers would want to copy/improve upon those mechanics in their own Wiiu FPS games. It has to be fun and top quality before any of that though.