Skyward Sword Story/Help Thread/Discussion *SPOILERS*

No, he has nothing to do with the glitch, its Golo you have to worry about. And at the point in the game where it happens, you want to AVOID speaking to him more than once. As long as you don't speak to him a second time, your golden. Sepewrath

Any reason to speak to Golo more than once?..just curious..pass part that already...at the point where *Freeza* took Zelda away. :P

Nope, no reason at all.

i just beat this game and wow this is a great final act. BUT, isn't this a plot hole: after Demise is resurrected they let you go back to the present, presumably so that you can get your character ready, and yet there is no sign of Demise anywhere? He was resurrected in the past (in the thousands of years it takes for a Tree of Life to grow) and yet the world is just the same as if he was never resurrected at all. Separate timeline doesn't make sense either since the old lady is in the present and says that Demise has been resurrected, and like I pointed out you planted a tree of life in the past and the tree is in your timeline in the present. Shouldn't there be an OoT-styled apocalypse alternate present where Demise is king?GunSmith1_basic

No because he didn't do anything. He just waited there for you to come fight him, he wasn't even in the world, he went to some pocket galaxy or something. If he had defeated you in the past, then the future would have changed. But he didn't beat you in the past, hence why future exist at all. Remember, the events in the present, makes the ones in the past happen.

No because he didn't do anything. He just waited there for you to come fight him, he wasn't even in the world, he went to some pocket galaxy or something. If he had defeated you in the past, then the future would have changed. But he didn't beat you in the past, hence why future exist at all. Remember, the events in the present, makes the ones in the past happen.

Sepewrath

Lmao.

That is so...OoT!

:P

I can't believe you said it!

No because he didn't do anything. He just waited there for you to come fight him, he wasn't even in the world, he went to some pocket galaxy or something. If he had defeated you in the past, then the future would have changed. But he didn't beat you in the past, hence why future exist at all. Remember, the events in the present, makes the ones in the past happen.

Sepewrath

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Lmao.

That is so...OoT!

:P

I can't believe you said it!

GreekGameManiac

*reads previous posts*

Time travel is so confusing! :x

*reads previous posts*

Time travel is so confusing! :x

ANIMEguy10034

that... doesn't make sense. Why would he wait thousands of years for you to fight him? So, if Link wanted to he could just never fight Demise if he just lets Zelda die and he would never be released? I get why Link wouldn't let that happen but why would Demise risk it? GunSmith1_basic

^How could Link defeat him in the past, if the present never happened? You realize that's impossible right? Like I said, the events in the present, made the ones in the past happen. If Link doesn't go on the adventure in the future, then he can not beat him in the past, it would be impossible for him to do so. It makes perfect sense. The legend that Zelda was talking about at the beginning WAS Link and Zelda, they were talking about what they were about to do. Maybe this will clear it up, The Imprisoned was Demise, minus his mind. Sepewrath

Is anybody bothered by how Ganon was given an origin in the game?

Is anybody bothered by how Ganon was given an origin in the game?

GreekGameManiac

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Is anybody bothered by how Ganon was given an origin in the game?

meetroid8

Ganon is one of the reincarnations of Demise's evil/hatred, and everytime evil returns to the land a new Link and Zelda has to be born to defeat it, thus they are cursed as they are stuck in this eternal cycle.

There's still a lot of ambiguity around Demise so I am fine with the idea.

It is a really smart idea imo just because there have been so many Zelda games that it has become kind of ridiculous that this threat just keeps coming back. You could take the Mario route and just pretend that the plots were never important and just put hand-wave crap plots or you can embrace the problem and give it its own place in the series. They made the right move in SS.

There is a problem in that there was already an answer for all the events around Ganon. Take OoT for example: In OoT Ganondorf waited for Link to pull out the Master Sword because it opened a portal to the sacred realm, where the Triforce was held. He grabbed the triforce and it split into three because Ganondorf was not worthy. Ganondorf spends the rest of the game trying to assemble the other parts. The Triforce of Power eventually consumed him entirely and he transformed into Ganon (maybe once Link released Ganondorf from his physical form??).

So... where did Demise enter into this exactly?? Is Ganondorf Demise's reincarnation or did he just create or influence Ganondorf in some way? In SS they seem to imply that Demise was sealed inside the Master Sword. Was he released from the Master Sword when Link took it from the Temple of Time? If so then that is very different from what was implied in OoT. That would be when Demise's consciousness entered Ganondorf. I think Demise was released before OoT because his lust for the Triforce was present in Ganondorf well before Link took the sword, and Ganondorf is similar to Demise in so many other ways as well.

So... where did Demise enter into this exactly?? Is Ganondorf Demise's reincarnation or did he just create or influence Ganondorf in some way? In SS they seem to imply that Demise was sealed inside the Master Sword. Was he released from the Master Sword when Link took it from the Temple of Time? If so then that is very different from what was implied in OoT. That would be when Demise's consciousness entered Ganondorf. I think Demise was released before OoT because his lust for the Triforce was present in Ganondorf well before Link took the sword, and Ganondorf is similar to Demise in so many other ways as well.

GunSmith1_basic

And therein lies the problem of the timeline. There is so little information to go on, and what's there is so vague that it could be interpreted a dozen different ways. There isn't naything to suggest he was ever released from the Master Sword, or that he ever posessed Ganondorf, or that ganondorf's lust for power was ever anything but the result of his own personal desires.

^Exactly, they are intentionally ambiguous, never making direct connections. Demise's "curse" has nothing to do specifically with Ganon, it is justification of the status quo. It is a nod to fans for the trinity setup and nothing more. Timeline enthusiast blow it out of proportion and start making direct links where no such information exist and when they do that, they just create more holes. Sepewrath

The way I see it is that time does matter and there IS a timeline, BUT its not really THAT important. As they pretty much say in SS, its a legend that is told over and over again. The three people will keep being reincarnated and do it all over basically :P. Although I guess the evil one changes, basically is the source of Demise, while Zelda and Link are constant. But indeed SS takes place first, and MM is rigth after OoT, with WW being last.

Well no one is reincarnated, Zelda and Link just (roughly) look the same, you know because its a series and they have an iconic look. By all accounts they could make the Zelda role a guy and the Link role a woman etc etc. The point is just two people are going to have a really bad day, because they are stuck in ongoing fate with some jerk who wants power. If you draw the short straw and are get stuck in Demise's spot, your day will probably end with a sword lodged somewhere in your body, but at least you get to have fun for awhile :P Sepewrath

Ok will I maybe should not say that that specific person is brought back. It is just as Demise says, "Those like you...those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero...they are eternally bound to this curse"

Which basically means that when link and Zelda's bloodline pop up, they get the task of taking out the evil threat :P. Which Demis says is "An incarnation of my hatred".

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

So... where did Demise enter into this exactly?? Is Ganondorf Demise's reincarnation or did he just create or influence Ganondorf in some way? In SS they seem to imply that Demise was sealed inside the Master Sword. Was he released from the Master Sword when Link took it from the Temple of Time? If so then that is very different from what was implied in OoT. That would be when Demise's consciousness entered Ganondorf. I think Demise was released before OoT because his lust for the Triforce was present in Ganondorf well before Link took the sword, and Ganondorf is similar to Demise in so many other ways as well.

meetroid8

And therein lies the problem of the timeline. There is so little information to go on, and what's there is so vague that it could be interpreted a dozen different ways. There isn't naything to suggest he was ever released from the Master Sword, or that he ever posessed Ganondorf, or that ganondorf's lust for power was ever anything but the result of his own personal desires.

*Sigh*

It was clearly stated.

Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice.

the "incarnation of his hatred" is none other than him.

And there's a confirmed timeline which some games fit,i'm sure you know it.

OH,and i'm certain his "essense" in the Master Sword totally dissolved over time.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

So... where did Demise enter into this exactly?? Is Ganondorf Demise's reincarnation or did he just create or influence Ganondorf in some way? In SS they seem to imply that Demise was sealed inside the Master Sword. Was he released from the Master Sword when Link took it from the Temple of Time? If so then that is very different from what was implied in OoT. That would be when Demise's consciousness entered Ganondorf. I think Demise was released before OoT because his lust for the Triforce was present in Ganondorf well before Link took the sword, and Ganondorf is similar to Demise in so many other ways as well.

None other? Really? What about Majora and Vaati? I think any of the major enemies could be his incarnation. Maybe not though. I do agree that gannon definitely is though.

GreekGameManiac

And therein lies the problem of the timeline. There is so little information to go on, and what's there is so vague that it could be interpreted a dozen different ways. There isn't naything to suggest he was ever released from the Master Sword, or that he ever posessed Ganondorf, or that ganondorf's lust for power was ever anything but the result of his own personal desires.

*Sigh*

It was clearly stated.

Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice.

the "incarnation of his hatred" is none other than him.

And there's a confirmed timeline which some games fit,i'm sure you know it.

OH,and i'm certain his "essense" in the Master Sword totally dissolved over time.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

So... where did Demise enter into this exactly?? Is Ganondorf Demise's reincarnation or did he just create or influence Ganondorf in some way? In SS they seem to imply that Demise was sealed inside the Master Sword. Was he released from the Master Sword when Link took it from the Temple of Time? If so then that is very different from what was implied in OoT. That would be when Demise's consciousness entered Ganondorf. I think Demise was released before OoT because his lust for the Triforce was present in Ganondorf well before Link took the sword, and Ganondorf is similar to Demise in so many other ways as well.

GreekGameManiac

And therein lies the problem of the timeline. There is so little information to go on, and what's there is so vague that it could be interpreted a dozen different ways. There isn't naything to suggest he was ever released from the Master Sword, or that he ever posessed Ganondorf, or that ganondorf's lust for power was ever anything but the result of his own personal desires.

*Sigh*

It was clearly stated.

Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice.

the "incarnation of his hatred" is none other than him.

And there's a confirmed timeline which some games fit,i'm sure you know it.

OH,and i'm certain his "essense" in the Master Sword totally dissolved over time.

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

And therein lies the problem of the timeline. There is so little information to go on, and what's there is so vague that it could be interpreted a dozen different ways. There isn't naything to suggest he was ever released from the Master Sword, or that he ever posessed Ganondorf, or that ganondorf's lust for power was ever anything but the result of his own personal desires.

meetroid8

*Sigh*

It was clearly stated.

Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice.

the "incarnation of his hatred" is none other than him.

And there's a confirmed timeline which some games fit,i'm sure you know it.

OH,and i'm certain his "essense" in the Master Sword totally dissolved over time.

Really...NO connection? Like the master sword, Eldin, the origins of it all, Impa, the temple of time, and more. I would say there is a lot of connections to the other games. Linking Ganon to Demise is impossible though, but I believe he is indeed the, or one of the incarnations.

Oh really? Please link me the video when it explicitly states "Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice." Because until you can, that is nothing but your interpretation of it's meaning. Some games do fit into a timeline, but I see no connection between SS and any other Zelda, so it must not be included. meetroid8

Are you kidding me???

You played the game,and you know it's a prequel to OoT.

And Demise said it himself.>_> learn to read.

What SS did was make connections to the background lore of the series, the Master Sword, the Sheikah, the trinity format etc. It does not directly connect to games, like say Gears of War 1 directly connects to Gears of War 2. The Zelda series rarely does that and Skyward Sword doesn't, it hints and nods at things for the long time fans and that's about it. Sepewrath

I pretty much agree with you on this, although it is connected, its just that Zelda takes place over MANY MANY years, but games like Gears and Uncharted are back to back more or less. It is a LEGEND for a reason :P.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

Really...NO connection? Like the master sword, Eldin, the origins of it all, Impa, the temple of time, and more. I would say there is a lot of connections to the other games. Linking Ganon to Demise is impossible though, but I believe he is indeed the, or one of the incarnations.

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

Oh really? Please link me the video when it explicitly states "Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice." Because until you can, that is nothing but your interpretation of it's meaning. Some games do fit into a timeline, but I see no connection between SS and any other Zelda, so it must not be included. GreekGameManiac

Are you kidding me???

You played the game,and you know it's a prequel to OoT.

And Demise said it himself.>_> learn to read.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

Oh really? Please link me the video when it explicitly states "Ganon is the physical manifestation of his malice." Because until you can, that is nothing but your interpretation of it's meaning. Some games do fit into a timeline, but I see no connection between SS and any other Zelda, so it must not be included. meetroid8

Are you kidding me???

You played the game,and you know it's a prequel to OoT.

And Demise said it himself.>_> learn to read.

Just look at him! Ganondorf looks like Demise had a child (With Akuma :P). Sorta picking obviously.

NOt saying this is necessarily correct (although this is how i take it), but Zelda Wiki has this posted:

"In Skyward Sword, Ganon is revealed to be a manifestation of Demise's hatred with which he cursed Link, Zelda, and their descendants. This curse is eternal, so like Link and Zelda, Ganon is destined to reincarnate when he dies"

That statement, people will take it however they want, for example this is what is says on Zeldapedia "Demise's prophecy of the incarnation of hatred seems to signify the reasons for Ganon's existence and the tribulations that he causes for Link and Zelda's various descendants. It could also indicate connections with other beings of hatred throughout the series."Sepewrath

I agree with this, although Gannon is the only one in the console Zelda's (aside from Majora's mask).

Majora really has nothing to do with SS. That game has no mention of Zelda and Majora doesn't really care about Link at all. Minish Cap seems to predate the events of SS and so Ganon is really the only one it could apply toGunSmith1_basic

This sounds reasonable, although why does Minish Cap predate SS? I dont remember why this would be. Isnt MM supposed to be a sidequest link takes after getting put back to a kid by Zelda in OoT, or is that WW? I mean you ride Epona right into the world MM is in, and all that good stuff. And it references Zelda giving you the Ocarina in the same way. So yeah I would say its MM. WW probably is seperate people but in the future.

If you believe in the timeline, it is impossible for Minish Cap to predate SS. Hyrule did not exist in SS, there was nothing down there but the few species hanging out. At the end of SS, Link and Zelda were staying to establish the surface i.e. Hyrule. If MC came before SS, then Hyrule would already be there. Sepewrath

But there was people down there before SS. The goddess Hylia moved all her people (humans) to the sky in skyloft if I am not mistaken. For example, the Sheikah. As far as I can tell, SS could be between MC and OoT. but MAYBE I misunderstood.

Are you blind,or having a brain fart? see the video after the final battle!!!!

He says an incarnation of his hatred will haunt all incarnations of Link & Zelda! :S

YOU HAVE THE GAME!

And GS doesn't let me post YT links,but wtf is wrong with you?

You have the game,see for yourself!

Btw,you quoted me as saying something,but it was another user that said it.

If you believe in the timeline, it is impossible for Minish Cap to predate SS. Hyrule did not exist in SS, there was nothing down there but the few species hanging out. At the end of SS, Link and Zelda were staying to establish the surface i.e. Hyrule. If MC came before SS, then Hyrule would already be there. Sepewrath

Yeah but MC has the origin of Link's Hat :P

Also there's the Picori Blade and the Four Sword, which seem to come before the Master Sword, but I suppose that was just assumption. You do use the Four Sword to fight Ganon at one point so... wow.

As for Hyrule and Link/Zelda coming after I suppose that is troubling as well, but you could imagine that Hyrule could have existed before the events of SS and simply continued to exist or get ressurected through the ages. They do speak of Goddess and Hero stuff before the events of SS and Demise says that the SS Link and Zelda are reincarnations of them.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]If you believe in the timeline, it is impossible for Minish Cap to predate SS. Hyrule did not exist in SS, there was nothing down there but the few species hanging out. At the end of SS, Link and Zelda were staying to establish the surface i.e. Hyrule. If MC came before SS, then Hyrule would already be there. GunSmith1_basic

Yeah but MC has the origin of Link's Hat :P

Also there's the Picori Blade and the Four Sword, which seem to come before the Master Sword, but I suppose that was just assumption. You do use the Four Sword to fight Ganon at one point so... wow.

As for Hyrule and Link/Zelda coming after I suppose that is troubling as well, but you could imagine that Hyrule could have existed before the events of SS and simply continued to exist or get ressurected through the ages. They do speak of Goddess and Hero stuff before the events of SS and Demise says that the SS Link and Zelda are reincarnations of them.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]If you believe in the timeline, it is impossible for Minish Cap to predate SS. Hyrule did not exist in SS, there was nothing down there but the few species hanging out. At the end of SS, Link and Zelda were staying to establish the surface i.e. Hyrule. If MC came before SS, then Hyrule would already be there. meetroid8

Yeah but MC has the origin of Link's Hat :P

Also there's the Picori Blade and the Four Sword, which seem to come before the Master Sword, but I suppose that was just assumption. You do use the Four Sword to fight Ganon at one point so... wow.

As for Hyrule and Link/Zelda coming after I suppose that is troubling as well, but you could imagine that Hyrule could have existed before the events of SS and simply continued to exist or get ressurected through the ages. They do speak of Goddess and Hero stuff before the events of SS and Demise says that the SS Link and Zelda are reincarnations of them.

I am so glad groose got better halfway through the game, because he was so darn annoying in the beginning :P.

All of your arguments are invalid because the surface in SS was Grooseland, not Hyrule. meetroid8

Lol,exactly!!! m,wahahaha.

Hey,sorry i blew up.:(

I just got pissed you insisted on something that i already told you is true.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]All of your arguments are invalid because the surface in SS was Grooseland, not Hyrule. GreekGameManiac

Lol,exactly!!! m,wahahaha.

Hey,sorry i blew up.:(

I just got pissed you insisted on something that i already told you is true.

Eh, we've both stated our sides of the argument, I don't think either of us is going to change our minds. Might as well move on. meetroid8

Right.

Sorry again though.

So,tell me,how do you interpret Demise's last words?

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Eh, we've both stated our sides of the argument, I don't think either of us is going to change our minds. Might as well move on. GreekGameManiac

Right.

Sorry again though.

So,tell me,how do you interpret Demise's last words?

I don't really have an interpretation TBH, just the last words of a dying man desperate to leave a legacy I suppose. I don't see how he could ever will his hatred into being for eternity, but then again I don't see how he was able to create an alternate dimension unaffected by the normal progression of time either and he managed that. *shrug*meetroid8

I think it's pretty obvious.

That's what he said,isn't it?

There's no other way to interpret it,appaently he makes an allusion to Ganondorf.

Eiji Aonuma promised us an origin for Ganon,so there it is.

I really can't unserstand you.:/

It's rather clear.