So how about HD for Rev, any news ?

lets see who would buy it,hmmm...lets see who would be in their right minds to pass up a deal of a $150 console, tons of great games including old schools, and new ways to play them, and a system to own all FPS genre type games,hmmm...yep i guess your right i'd pass all this up just for a better looking game anyday i mean afterall it is about looks and how high the price is right, i mean you just can't get a good game without it's sytem being $600, hmmm....now that you metion it i guess no one will buy it SARCASM^^^^^^^fiercedeity901

Under 300$ means 150$. SINCE WHEN ? By the way, do you have a pc. You would know then that setting any game on 640x480 res look like crap compaing to 1024x768 one. So do we want more crap looking BLURRY games ? NO WAY.

EDIT: By the way, a good HDTV 32'' costs a bit more than 1000$, xbox 360 can show HD on PC screens too, and HDTV will be in every house in some years. Anyway, i am a gamer, i want the best, who cares if some gamers do not have HDTV, i have and would like to see amazing graphics not blurry stuff as with GC and xbox, is that clear ? I can't support a console that will give blurry graphics in this generation, i want choice to enable high res ones too. By the way you do realise xbox 360 plays on normal tv's too, right ?

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]lets see who would buy it,hmmm...lets see who would be in their right minds to pass up a deal of a $150 console, tons of great games including old schools, and new ways to play them, and a system to own all FPS genre type games,hmmm...yep i guess your right i'd pass all this up just for a better looking game anyday i mean afterall it is about looks and how high the price is right, i mean you just can't get a good game without it's sytem being $600, hmmm....now that you metion it i guess no one will buy it SARCASM^^^^^^^nasos_333_basic

Under 300$ means 150$. SINCE WHEN ? By the way, do you have a pc. You would know then that setting any game on 640x480 res look like crap compaing to 1024x768 one. So do we want more crap looking BLURRY games ? NO WAY.

Who said anything about it being blurry? I don't have HDTV, but all my games are fine and not blurry at all. Besides, why don't they have the simple solution that is most games (don't know if it woul work, but possibly...please don't flame): Give you the choice of 50Hz, 60Hz, or HD. As I said no flaming. It is just an idea...

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[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]lets see who would buy it,hmmm...lets see who would be in their right minds to pass up a deal of a $150 console, tons of great games including old schools, and new ways to play them, and a system to own all FPS genre type games,hmmm...yep i guess your right i'd pass all this up just for a better looking game anyday i mean afterall it is about looks and how high the price is right, i mean you just can't get a good game without it's sytem being $600, hmmm....now that you metion it i guess no one will buy it SARCASM^^^^^^^fiercedeity901

Under 300$ means 150$. SINCE WHEN ? By the way, do you have a pc. You would know then that setting any game on 640x480 res look like crap compaing to 1024x768 one. So do we want more crap looking BLURRY games ? NO WAY.

if you compare ANY GC  game to ANY xbox 360 game, they look BLYRRY AS HELL. Come on, it is 3 times more pixels, can't your IQ support and decrypt that claim of mine ?

Some Oblivion high res pics, only on 720p (it will support 1080p too, imagine that)

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

And you just HAVE to see some of the news pics/scans from Gameinformer/PCgamer, the vistas are BREATTAKING, huge lifelike mountains, huge lakes with rippling reflecting water, waterfalls, rivers etc etc

I will find some GC pics now to compare, just wait there ...

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[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]lets see who would buy it,hmmm...lets see who would be in their right minds to pass up a deal of a $150 console, tons of great games including old schools, and new ways to play them, and a system to own all FPS genre type games,hmmm...yep i guess your right i'd pass all this up just for a better looking game anyday i mean afterall it is about looks and how high the price is right, i mean you just can't get a good game without it's sytem being $600, hmmm....now that you metion it i guess no one will buy it SARCASM^^^^^^^nasos_333_basic

Under 300$ means 150$. SINCE WHEN ? By the way, do you have a pc. You would know then that setting any game on 640x480 res look like crap compaing to 1024x768 one. So do we want more crap looking BLURRY games ? NO WAY.

if you compare ANY GC  game to ANY xbox 360 game, they look BLYRRY AS HELL. Come on, it is 3 times more pixels, can't your IQ support and decrypt that claim of mine ?

i dont care about graphics. if i can notice the graphics while im playing the gameplay sucks to much to be even worth my time.chairguru22

If noone cared for graphics as some hypocrits here suggest, then why would they make more powerfull machines all the time, AND pc users buy video cards often to keep to date. Would you play Far Cry in 640x480 ??? NO WAY AGAIN.

Why ? Because it plainly SUCKS.

The HD stuff is not a gimmick, it is actully a FAR better looking picture, 3 times more detail in it, which is MUCH more detail. So aside from blurryness, with SD tv you get less visual info too, i hate to repeat myself, anyone above 15 years old could very well understand what i say.

If you can't, i can only feel sorry for you ...

[QUOTE="chairguru22"]i dont care about graphics. if i can notice the graphics while im playing the gameplay sucks to much to be even worth my time.nasos_333_basic

If noone cared for graphics as some hypocrits here suggest, then why would they make more powerfull machines all the time, AND pc users buy video cards often to keep to date. Would you play Far Cry in 640x480 ??? NO WAY AGAIN.

Why ? Because it plainly SUCKS.

The HD stuff is not a gimmick, it is actully a FAR better looking picture, 3 times more detail in it, which is MUCH more detail. So aside from blurryness, with SD tv you get less visual info too, i hate to repeat myself, anyone above 15 years old could very well understand what i say.

If you can't, i can only feel sorry for you ...

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="nasos_333_basic"]

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]lets see who would buy it,hmmm...lets see who would be in their right minds to pass up a deal of a $150 console, tons of great games including old schools, and new ways to play them, and a system to own all FPS genre type games,hmmm...yep i guess your right i'd pass all this up just for a better looking game anyday i mean afterall it is about looks and how high the price is right, i mean you just can't get a good game without it's sytem being $600, hmmm....now that you metion it i guess no one will buy it SARCASM^^^^^^^nasos_333_basic

Under 300$ means 150$. SINCE WHEN ? By the way, do you have a pc. You would know then that setting any game on 640x480 res look like crap compaing to 1024x768 one. So do we want more crap looking BLURRY games ? NO WAY.

if you compare ANY GC game to ANY xbox 360 game, they look BLYRRY AS HELL. Come on, it is 3 times more pixels, can't your IQ support and decrypt that claim of mine ?

Some Oblivion high res pics, only on 720p (it will support 1080p too, imagine that)

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

And you just HAVE to see some of the news pics/scans from Gameinformer/PCgamer, the vistas are BREATTAKING, huge lifelike mountains, huge lakes with rippling reflecting water, waterfalls, rivers etc etc

I will find some GC pics now to compare, just wait there ...

I've seen the difference, and it is NOT huge, in fact unless you put the images next to each other you wouldn't realise since the image doesn't actually look sharper until you compare it.

>>No, everything looks sharper CLEARLY, and hugly more detailed, maybe your tv is not very good, or not real 720p ? Textures look 100times better too

Now if you compare optimised versions of each resolution the difference will be smaller.

The MAIN difference the jump is so big is because

1.scaling
2.they are not optimised
3.most games of last gen dont run in full SD

Oh, and get it into your head that no HD is a better for Nintendo since it means a larger market.

>> Most stupid thing i have ever read. Xbox 360 outputs SD signal as well, so it covers both SD users AND HD users. So you are 1000% wrong and Microsoft gets to every gamer possible

It means they can get into places the others can't, it also means more developer support. Something Nintendo needs.

>> No HD means that HD tv owners will not be able to enjoy the huge image difference their investment supports, which will make many not buy it

Look, HD is ONE, and ONE only advantage, it looks better:

>> Yes, this is the main idea, i wonder would YOU play Far Cry on pc in 640x480 and enjoy it equal to playing 1280x720? I can tell you that i would vomit as the sight of that terrible undetailed graphics, i have seen them. Of course you are right, if you do not compare you may not know that 720 is the best, but that argument is simply STUPID.

With it are these problems

1.Longer dev times and\or shorter games
2.more expensive games, for you, the publisher and the developer
3.Will potentially turn smaller developers away
4.price of entry for hardware means outpricing in some markets (China for instance).

>> PC games are made in HD for a hell lot of years now, i see no all games are made smaller\shorter\much more expensive\turn small developers away etc etc. All in all, what are you talking about ??

So look at the big picture.

Oh and another thing, those oblivion pics have NOTHING to do with res (well maybe a little) the reason it looks as good it due to other things.  Can't you imagine a smaller frame with the same or better detail? I could, for instance the RE5 trailers I've seen on my DVD player, were SD, and worse scaled down SD,it would look even better optimised.

>> Totally wrong. Well i can't really argue with you, since you make no sense. Indeed if you have a huge picture, you could IMAGINE that you view a smaller part as detailed. But there is a problem with that logic, beeing the fact that when you magnify that 640x480 part of the 720p image, you get a really terrible looking undetailed thing. Well you do not have to be a genious to understand that.Then why not have 160x120 screens, what difference would that make by your logic ?

People who are banging on about hd looking 3 trillion times better a deluded, if you optimise both resolutions you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference initially unless you looked at the two side by side. Unoptimised the difference is plain.

>> Again wrong, do not make me post Far Cry 640x480 pics, they look like ass, as all games in that res. the only thing saving consoles in SD is the tv bluring that works as a BAD antialiasing method.

Articuno76

Finally, PLEASE stop the nonsense and stupid arguments. Seeing 3 times more stuff at once on a given screen size, is 3 times better experience than seeing the SD images. End of story. Not to mension how bad SD signal will look on most LCD/Plasma HDTV's. For my tv (and million of others), Rev will simply look terrible from the upscale.

Also, i see pc gamers fight over powerfull video cards to get 1600x1200 res, i suppose they do it for a reason, right ? 1600x1200 is the ideal resolution for 20-21'' monitors, so if you have a 32'' tv you had better have a 720p resolution, or anything will look bad. If the screen is bigger, then any 480p game would look really terrible

But i have some good news for you, if you plan to play on a 14-15 inch screen, Rev will indeed look as Xbox 360 on a 32 inch one.

EDIT: To the funny poster above. You make me laugh HARD. You know what the problem is, when you put my pics and your pics on the same 40'' tv, then you may notice that YOUR screens will look 1000 times worst than MY pics. If you want to try better, resmaple those pics you have to 1280x720, and see what happens

Here is the real deal. First on is 1024x700 and the other in 640x380 upscaled. See the blurryness now ? Textures loose all detail too, grass seems less individual.

The 360 does not output SD as well, it has a switch on the back, but it actually downscales the image, you don't thing devs are gonna make the game in 2 resolutions do you? Articuno76

Eeeeee, so how what you say above prevents xbox 360 from beeing used on a normal tv ??????????????????????????

Again for the slow in mind, xbox can be played on HD and SD tv's. Rev NOT in HD. So xbox offers everything, rev low res only. So the argument that Rev gets to more customers is idiotic.

Because if they keep it non HD, i wonder who would buy it without a zelda game backing it up ? I mean, the difference between 480p and 720p is HUGE, let aside between 1080 resolutions. It is just stupid to release a machine that will not be able to even come remotly close to resolutions PC's have been doing for YEARS and years now. I wonder if it will be that underpowered, otherwise why not support HD, no reason at all. Costs ? Maybe, but for HD experience i would gladly pay more, than have a semi-great cosnolenasos_333_basic

Here is the real deal. First on is 1024x700 and the other in 640x380 upscaled. See the blurryness now ? Textures loose all detail too, grass seems less individual.

nasos_333_basic

[QUOTE="nasos_333_basic"]Because if they keep it non HD, i wonder who would buy it without a zelda game backing it up ? I mean, the difference between 480p and 720p is HUGE, let aside between 1080 resolutions. It is just stupid to release a machine that will not be able to even come remotly close to resolutions PC's have been doing for YEARS and years now. I wonder if it will be that underpowered, otherwise why not support HD, no reason at all. Costs ? Maybe, but for HD experience i would gladly pay more, than have a semi-great cosnoleRampanterage

I would gladly pay 100$ more to play Oblivion like games in high res, than low res Rev ones. Oblivion BELIEVE me, does NOT look anything like any xbox 1.5 game, just post the xbox game pics you think look as good as Oblivion's.

By the way, how the hell can you suggest xbox 360 graphics are xbox 1.5 like, when it can run a game like Oblvivion in 720p (and 1080 if i recall). It would take 10 xboxes to run that, so it is more like xbox 10x

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Here is the real deal. First on is 1024x700 and the other in 640x380 upscaled. See the blurryness now ? Textures loose all detail too, grass seems less individual.

Rampanterage

[QUOTE="Articuno76"]The 360 does not output SD as well, it has a switch on the back, but it actually downscales the image, you don't thing devs are gonna make the game in 2 resolutions do you? nasos_333_basic

Eeeeee, so how what you say above prevents xbox 360 from beeing used on a normal tv ??????????????????????????

Again for the slow in mind, xbox can be played on HD and SD tv's. Rev NOT in HD. So xbox offers everything, rev low res only. So the argument that Rev gets to more customers is idiotic.

Because if they keep it non HD, i wonder who would buy it without a zelda game backing it up ? I mean, the difference between 480p and 720p is HUGE, let aside between 1080 resolutions. It is just stupid to release a machine that will not be able to even come remotly close to resolutions PC's have been doing for YEARS and years now. I wonder if it will be that underpowered, otherwise why not support HD, no reason at all. Costs ? Maybe, but for HD experience i would gladly pay more, than have a semi-great cosnolenasos_333_basic

I have an HDTV as well. But you know what's more important than having HDTV? Knowing the consumers. Consumers will readily buy the Revolution. Why? Because it is targeted at a friendly price. You're logic is based on your standards. Therefore, you can't dictate how everyone should be or what direction a company should go.

The difference between 480p and 720p IS huge. But I don't think you get at what Nintendo is trying to offer. And I think you should read up on that. Nintendo specifically said that its machine is targeted at a consumer friendly price. It will be small, compact, and quiet. Do you think you can fit enough RAM and CPU/GPU power in a small box like that? That can produce HD visuals? Logically, NO.

Nintendo is offering an amazing machine that goes beyond the limits of a 2D space and lets you explore the virtual world by actually being able to manipulate the videogame with your own movements. On top of that, Nintendo has promised that the visuals will be on par with their competition. Why should you care about HD? Also, even though I have an HDTV, I am going to buy Revolution first because it is cheap and Nintendo is promising revolutionary aspects to the system. And I think many consumers are very reasonable with their money. Whether they have and HDTV or not, they are going to buy the more logical decision.

Also, if a game is made poorly on HDTV, it looks even worse. So there is a huge gamble based on the developers decision on whether or not their games will be top notch or rushed/ported.

So, don't talk about how Nintendo should be using their money. Nor consumers. It just makes you look ignorant. Nintendo promises amazing visuals with revolutionary aspects. So don't be wishfully thinking on Nintendo with their decision to have the "MOST POWERFUL HARDWARE".

Here is the real deal. First on is 1024x700 and the other in 640x380 upscaled. See the blurryness now ? Textures loose all detail too, grass seems less individual.

nasos_333_basic

Because HD isn't standard yet and alot of people don't have HDTV at this point and i mean ALOT like 90% of the world's popullation.Moto19

What? Is that it? That's the big difference that HD offers? Unless you intend to spend the entire game zoomed in on some tree bark, you're never going to notice anything once the game is in motion. So the grass looks "slightly less individual"? What kind of difference is that going to make to the gameplay experience? Why does it matter?gaggle64

The majority of the population does not have an HD-TV so HD support is definitely not a requirement. James00715

Exactly, I don't have an HDTV, I got a new SDTV last Year so i won't be buying a $1000 hdtv just to play games on. I have said this before and a couple people say that," But you can get a nice 23" HDTV for around $400!", Woopde-Freekin'-Doo! It Doesn't make any sense to spend $400 on a New HDTV or more, Then Around $299-499 for a game console that outputs an HD signal, then most likely $60 a game. ADD that up and and the cheapest you get is around over $700 just to play ONE game in HD resolution.

Now if you can buy a REV at around $200, most likely $50 a game, on the tv you have now. Now Add that up and you get $250 to play one game at a slightly lower res. but close to hd visuals NOT HD-Quality, But close. The differnce is $450! Imagine what you could buy to upgrade everything with. Besides once you start playing you will never notice the visual differnce, just that your pockets won't be as light as before you sat down.

Because if they keep it non HD, i wonder who would buy it without a zelda game backing it up ? I mean, the difference between 480p and 720p is HUGE, let aside between 1080 resolutions. It is just stupid to release a machine that will not be able to even come remotly close to resolutions PC's have been doing for YEARS and years now. I wonder if it will be that underpowered, otherwise why not support HD, no reason at all. Costs ? Maybe, but for HD experience i would gladly pay more, than have a semi-great cosnolenasos_333_basic

I know what the topic creator means. I have been playing video games with a blindfold on for the last 15years just so that I don't see the horrible resolution that TVs have. Back then I was about to gouge out my eyes just to keep me from pain, when I realized that MS and Sony will eventually bring out HD consoles for half a grand. HDTV, you complete me.

Yes, this is also sarcasm.

I know what the topic creator means. I have been playing video games with a blindfold on for the last 15years just so that I don't see the horrible resolution that TVs have. Back then I was about to gouge out my eyes just to keep me from pain, when I realized that MS and Sony will eventually bring out HD consoles for half a grand. HDTV, you complete me.

Yes, this is also sarcasm.

CelicaCrazed

:P

Well.. if Revolution is going to be a souped up Xbox or so they say... Playing Splinter Cell Chaos Theory doesn't make me worry much, because those graphics are amazing. SonicWind

i dont really believe that whole souped Xbox crap