I cant believe you people are still talking about soccer moms and stuff, I'll say it again, she does not work one day a year. She is not some poster child for soccer moms either, she is just doing one particular duty of her job, that believe it or not does not revolve around being on stage at E3. And she is not a terrible public speaker, she is actually quite a good one, which is probably one reason she has her job. She is simply not entertaining, but guess what, she's a suit and generally suit's, especially when on the clock are no fun. Its a rarity to find one that has a fun vibe about them, she is your typical corporate suit, she does her job well, but she has no style. And a word to the wise, the large bulk of people who make up the corporate side of the industry are not gamers. They are there because they have M.B.A's in Business not because they beat Mario World in 20 minutes.
I cant believe you people are still talking about soccer moms and stuff, I'll say it again, she does not work one day a year. She is not some poster child for soccer moms either, she is just doing one particular duty of her job, that believe it or not does not revolve around being on stage at E3. And she is not a terrible public speaker, she is actually quite a good one, which is probably one reason she has her job. She is simply not entertaining, but guess what, she's a suit and generally suit's, especially when on the clock are no fun. Its a rarity to find one that has a fun vibe about them, she is your typical corporate suit, she does her job well, but she has no style. And a word to the wise, the large bulk of people who make up the corporate side of the industry are not gamers. They are there because they have M.B.A's in Business not because they beat Mario World in 20 minutes. Sepewrath
if Cammie does whatever she does offstage well than whatever but why do they have to let her speak? Can't they just let her play Wizard of Oz and stay behind the curtain? and zuma I have clicked your stupid sig like 50 times now. I fall for it every time
i'm the king of games, i've never lost to a mom or any female for that matter -_____-
shoryuken_
I'm not saying that I've taken the beatings recently, but I grew up with a couple of female cousins that were darn good gamers. While I might be leaps and bounds better than them now, I'm not about to stand here and say that I haven't taken my losses by females over the years. In fact, I see gaming as one of those things where it doesn't matter if you're male or female; your game will speak far more than your gender will. ;)
i'm the king of games, i've never lost to a mom or any female for that matter -_____-
Madmangamer364
I'm not saying that I've taken the beatings recently, but I grew up with a couple of female cousins that were darn good gamers. While I might be leaps and bounds better than them now, I'm not about to stand here and say that I haven't taken my losses by females over the years. In fact, I see gaming as one of those things where it doesn't matter if you're male or female; your game will speak far more than your gender will. ;)
I think the last time I lost to a girl was my sister at brawl with severe handicaps. Like she had 3 more lives than me and I had to be like Bowser or someone terribad. If I was game and watch though, no chance
I'm not saying that I've taken the beatings recently, but I grew up with a couple of female cousins that were darn good gamers. While I might be leaps and bounds better than them now, I'm not about to stand here and say that I haven't taken my losses by females over the years. In fact, I see gaming as one of those things where it doesn't matter if you're male or female; your game will speak far more than your gender will. ;)
Madmangamer364
like i said, im called the king of games for a reason ;)
im not saying you have to be male to be good at games, im just saying ive never lost to a girl before lol
While someone had to come last at NSMBWii.. anyone who walks head on into the first goomba in mario.. deserves a lynching. Also don't take forumgoers word for granted.. just listen to the crowd when she came on stage!.. oh wait.. you can't.. they were dead silent. On the subject of girl gamers.. I am beaten by my niece on a semi regular basis (anyone who can beat a Level 9 CPU on Smash Bros Melee only using their feet on the controller... I'm not lying here O_O) and I've been playing games hardcore for about 22 years. The gender doesn't matter, it's how passionately you play them, it's just most females don't have much of a passion for gaming.
if Cammie does whatever she does offstage well than whatever but why do they have to let her speak? Can't they just let her play Wizard of Oz and stay behind the curtain? and zuma I have clicked your stupid sig like 50 times now. I fall for it every timesnowman6251
Because its part of her job, remember E3 isn't a public event, this isn;t TGS where your trying to wow the crowd. Recent years once they started doing things like airing it online and on TV, they have attempted to make it more entertaining, but first and foremost its about business. I'm sure when it comes to meetings with retailers and publishers, network execs etc.(basically other suits) she is there dong the talking. So she is there talking to them again, they aren't going to send up some developer with wild hair and shaggy clothes making wise cracks, while that may be amusing to watch, its not a good way to do business. E3 is about business, especially the conferences, we simply get to watch them, but they are not directly for us. Thats where many of you go wrong on here, you think because they let in camera's that E3 is a sitcom.
I'm not saying we should fire her, I'm saying we should let someone do the talking at major events. She has no personality, and never seems particularly interested in what she's talking about. Nintendo needs someone hip, cool, and fun to promote their games, not this lady. She's bringing them down.
I've noticed a striking correlation between people who claim they've never been beaten by a female gamer and people who have never played against me. Hm.
I've noticed a striking correlation between people who claim they've never been beaten by a female gamer and people who have never played against me. Hm.clicketyclick
If you're good at games then you're no longer female. :x
I've noticed a striking correlation between people who claim they've never been beaten by a female gamer and people who have never played against me. Hm.clicketyclick
Cammie bugs me a bit but its not that big a deal considering I care more about the games then who is presenting them. And I couldn't help but laugh at that picture its great lol.
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]I've noticed a striking correlation between people who claim they've never been beaten by a female gamer and people who have never played against me. Hm.shoryuken_
no.
No what? It wasn't a yes or no question. In fact, it wasn't a question at all.
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]I've noticed a striking correlation between people who claim they've never been beaten by a female gamer and people who have never played against me. Hm.clicketyclick
no.
No what? It wasn't a yes or no question. In fact, it wasn't a question at all.
No as in I completely dismissed what you just said. To me, you just sound like some angry girl who's trying really hard to prove she's better than all the boys on a forum..
No what? It wasn't a yes or no question. In fact, it wasn't a question at all.
No as in I completely dismissed what you just said. To me, you just sound like some angry girl who's trying really hard to prove she's better than all the boys on a forum..
btw gabu owned you
Where did he allegedly do such a thing?
Anyways, I'm not the one going around dubbing myself queen of games, am i...? ;)
No what? It wasn't a yes or no question. In fact, it wasn't a question at all.
No as in I completely dismissed what you just said. To me, you just sound like some angry girl who's trying really hard to prove she's better than all the boys on a forum..
she was clearly trying to instigate an argument/fight for no reason. anyways, we were all obviously joking about the female gamer thing before. i didnt think that needed to be spelled out for you.
i am eric813 and i approve this thread. but yeah seriously they should fire cammie, they gave her pretty much all of e3 when reggie should have been up there. did you see how much she sucked at new super mario bros wii she totaly bombed. we need gamers representing gamers not soccer moms who only played a couple of games in their life
we need gamers representing gamers not soccer moms who only played a couple of games in their lifeeric813
She's the VP of Sales and Marketing. You don't need to come in first place in a stage demo of NSMB to be a good executive businessperson about sales and marketing. Additionally, I challenge anyone here to swear honestly that they have never ever accidentally been hit by a goomba while playing a Mario game.
[QUOTE="eric813"] we need gamers representing gamers not soccer moms who only played a couple of games in their lifeclicketyclick
She's the VP of Sales and Marketing. You don't need to come in first place in a stage demo of NSMB to be a good executive businessperson about sales and marketing. Additionally, I challenge anyone here to swear honestly that they have never ever accidentally been hit by a goomba while playing a Mario game. What does it has to do with anything? I fail to make a relation between goombas, soccer moms, and Camie.
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="eric813"] we need gamers representing gamers not soccer moms who only played a couple of games in their lifeThiago26792
She's the VP of Sales and Marketing. You don't need to come in first place in a stage demo of NSMB to be a good executive businessperson about sales and marketing. Additionally, I challenge anyone here to swear honestly that they have never ever accidentally been hit by a goomba while playing a Mario game. What does it has to do with anything? I fail to make a relation between goombas, soccer moms, and Camie. Why are you telling me that? :cry: I agree.
A Goomba yes, the very first goomba in the first level without even attempting a jump? No, well, maybe when I was 7 and never played the game. Look no one is saying she's not a good businesswoman, or a good employee whatever, just that she really is not a very good public speaker and lacks the stage presence to properly lead the E3 conference. Actually clicketyclick didn't instigate anything, technically whoever first voiced the apparent myth that girls are bad at game sin this thread instigated it, it's only natural for others to refute the point.
She wasn't that bad this year. Besides, she's not meant to appeal to us, she's meant to appeal to moms.
snowman6251
How many moms watch E3 or would actually have any idea who this is? not many I'm willing to bet. Their kids and people like us are the ones watching E3 and we're the ones they should try and appeal to. The mainstream media is at E3 and reporting to the "casuals" out there. Nintendo needs someone like her, she isn't going anywhere that soon.
I don't think Nintendo are trying to appeal to any demographic by having her at E3, I think it is as simple as Dunaway took Reggie's position, end of. I personally find her to be very bland and uninteresting and she completely brought down my levels of excitement over the press conference. What could have been very fun was turned into a very bland occasion considering some of the announcements that were made!
She wasn't that bad this year. Besides, she's not meant to appeal to us, she's meant to appeal to moms.
snowman6251
How many moms watch E3 or would actually have any idea who this is? not many I'm willing to bet. Their kids and people like us are the ones watching E3 and we're the ones they should try and appeal to. E3 is not for kids, it's for the media.
Shes not appealing to the core fanbase. They hired her to relate to the older, female audience. Plus, she isn't bad - and yeah, she probably doesn't play games often - just like Reggie.
@TC: I don't entirely agree. Like many others have said, she can keep her job, just get off the stage. The only people she could ever possibly appeal to DO NOT EVEN WATCH THE CONFERENCE. Just let Reggie and Iwata speak the whole time. @Snowman: King of games? *Points to own name* @Clickety: Holy crap you're a girl? :P
She did a good job at E3 this year actually, well content had more to do with that than anything. Anyone ever stop to think of the fact that she is good at her job and Nintendo products are selling like crazy in North America?
My initial response to when I first saw her was: Burn the witch! and then I checked the comments below, and they resembled something similar: Get off the stage! My eyes, it burns! Oh crap not her!
I personally don't think that firing Dunaway is the answer. I don't have a personal view to the everyday workings of the Nintendo corporation myself but chances are if Dunaway is really that bad at her job then a company like Nintendo will have her sacked and replaced in no time. I did however find her presentation of this years press conference at E3 very lackluster, Nintendo could have done with a better speaker to really animate things.
A Goomba yes, the very first goomba in the first level without even attempting a jump? No, well, maybe when I was 7 and never played the game. Look no one is saying she's not a good businesswoman, or a good employee whatever, just that she really is not a very good public speaker and lacks the stage presence to properly lead the E3 conference.SolemnJedi79
A goomba is a goomba is a goomba. Doesn't matter where you tripped on him. We've all stupidly run into one or another at some point, and we didn't have the excuse of being on stage and in the middle of a large press conference like she does.
And yes, many people are saying she's not good at her job. They think she should be fired... for running into a goomba. This apparently demonstrates that she's incompetent in many people's eyes here. But her job is not to jump over goombas and come in first place. It's sales and marketing. It seems many people have a very naïve view of how businesses work if they think that Sales and Marketing VPs need to demonstrate gamer cred to be good at their jobs.
@TC: I don't entirely agree. Like many others have said, she can keep her job, just get off the stage. The only people she could ever possibly appeal to DO NOT EVEN WATCH THE CONFERENCE. Just let Reggie and Iwata speak the whole time.Head_of_games
Because Iwata was so riveting at E3 this year, was he? :roll:
Cammie's sections were the better parts this year.
[QUOTE="eric813"] we need gamers representing gamers not soccer moms who only played a couple of games in their lifeclicketyclick
She's the VP of Sales and Marketing. You don't need to come in first place in a stage demo of NSMB to be a good executive businessperson about sales and marketing. Additionally, I challenge anyone here to swear honestly that they have never ever accidentally been hit by a goomba while playing a Mario game.
^^ Iam the god so a king is only poop for me.
And about goomba , yeah i was hit thousend of times by them...but im immortal.
Because Iwata was so riveting at E3 this year, was he? :roll:
Cammie's sections were the better parts this year.
Haziqonfire
Yeah, Iwata was boring this year.
Cammy was fine this year. Last year she seemed kind of nervous, this year she was better.
Let's not be so negative. Thanks to the WiiHospital Pulse Sensor Plus he presented, next year, we can empirically prove that Cammie's speaking parts are better and that everyone falls asleep when Iwata takes the stage. :P
I have no problems with Cammie. VP of Marketing at a major company like Nintendo? Shes already accomplished more than most people that creep around these forums ever will.
Can she be a bit boring while speaking? Yes....but who isn't. I watched all 5 press conferences this year and the only one that had any personality was the guy with the bug glasses showing of Natal. And all that guy did was come off as trying too hard to be cool for the kids. 8) Every other person that spoke, including Iwata and Reggie were boring. Heck, even a funny man like Joel McHale couldn't save the Ubisoft conference.:o
So give it a rest, guys. Cammie might not be the best gamer out there but she must be doing a good job with the whole marketing thing. Last I checked, Nintendo products still sell like hotcakes. ;)
I don't really have a big problem with her.. she just doesn't seem like the kind of person to be in PR/Marketing... she isn't charismatic, she isn't a particularly skilled speaker, and shes rather average. Nothing wrong, just seems like she would be better suited in an office behind the scenes, not the face of marketing...
I don't really have a big problem with her.. she just doesn't seem like the kind of person to be in PR/Marketing... she isn't charismatic, she isn't a particularly skilled speaker, and shes rather average. Nothing wrong, just seems like she would be better suited in an office behind the scenes, not the face of marketing...
TaMuK711
She isn't "the face" of marketing. She makes executive decisions about how Nintendo products are to be marketed in North America, and whether she makes those decisions charismatically or with the dourest of faces makes no difference. And no, she is no mere PR rep - the bottom of the totem pole. She holds an executive position within the company. With the addition of that, everything that SiK99 said. ;)
She wasn't that bad this year. Besides, she's not meant to appeal to us, she's meant to appeal to moms.
nintendofreak_2
I agree, she was a lot better this year. Her eyes were bulging last year and I just felt bad for her. This year she was more in control and that's where she did well. Last year I think she tried too hard to have fun while on stage that she scared many of us. Give her some time, she'll find her element at Nintendo eventually. She's only been there for a year. Who cares really, she makes more money than you complainers.
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