Suda 51 talks about wii third parties not selling and target audience

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For both of you read this.

"Look around and you'll find a jagged-edged world and a framerate which favours hovering around the twenties once you hit high speeds on Travis' bike, but the minor technical faults will be picked on by only the most joyless of non-gamers."

I'm glad that Suda let's this kind of subrate quality control make sure his game is just a technical joy.

BioShockOwnz

:roll::lol: Sorry, it's already been reviewed and it's a great game. That little quote doesn't mean squat. Mass Effect had technical issues out the whazoo and was still a great game. Anyways, you're just trolling and bashing, so it's not worth arguing. Go pick another fight.

Ummmm, you know that's from the review right?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For both of you read this.

"Look around and you'll find a jagged-edged world and a framerate which favours hovering around the twenties once you hit high speeds on Travis' bike, but the minor technical faults will be picked on by only the most joyless of non-gamers."

I'm glad that Suda let's this kind of subrate quality control make sure his game is just a technical joy.

Jaysonguy

:roll::lol: Sorry, it's already been reviewed and it's a great game. That little quote doesn't mean squat. Mass Effect had technical issues out the whazoo and was still a great game. Anyways, you're just trolling and bashing, so it's not worth arguing. Go pick another fight.

Ummmm, you know that's from the review right?

Post the whole review and the score.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For both of you read this.

"Look around and you'll find a jagged-edged world and a framerate which favours hovering around the twenties once you hit high speeds on Travis' bike, but the minor technical faults will be picked on by only the most joyless of non-gamers."

I'm glad that Suda let's this kind of subrate quality control make sure his game is just a technical joy.

BioShockOwnz

:roll::lol: Sorry, it's already been reviewed and it's a great game. That little quote doesn't mean squat. Mass Effect had technical issues out the whazoo and was still a great game. Anyways, you're just trolling and bashing, so it's not worth arguing. Go pick another fight.

Ummmm, you know that's from the review right?

Post the whole review and the score.

Yes the guy rates the game highly and it's almost 100% his opinion, not fact. (for the review please check the other Suda thread so we don't bring this one too off track)

The only part of the review that is fact based is the part I quoted and it's poor, technically it's poor.

I don't care about opinions when it comes to game reviews I care about if it's broken or not. This reviewer explains a very large flaw in the game but glosses right over it (in another thread I said like a honey glazed donut)

Suda wants to throw stones then Suda better make sure his game is the very best it can be. Depending on how this game plays this might be just another shoddy third party game Nintendo complains about.

Many points here are right. When a game is interesting, I'm looking on it 3rd party or not. I have more 3rd party on my wishlist. I can support 3rd party games on a Nintendo console. I don't buy crap.

Miyamoto is right. He said at 1 time. Nintendo gives their best teamtomakegames while the 3rd party clearly doesn't. He challenges the 3rd party developers to put their best teams on making games on Wii. But they didn't listnen. Then we have crap. We don't buy them and the 3rd party says we don't buy their games. I blame the 3rd party for that. Nintendo gives them an opportunity to shine with "real" games. But they don't want.

As for me, I'm done with the big 3rd party like Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix,... I'm looking to some games from them like Okami, Tales of Symphonia, Fragile,... but overall I'm sick of them. I boycotted Capcom last gen (I bought their Mega Man Collections) because I'm not a fan of Resident Evil and that's what Capcom was always making. That and Devil May Cry.I want the small developers to shineand beat them. I found their ideas better than the big 3rd party.

Also, I blame the consumers. In North America, it's simple if it's not violent it sucks. If it's not a FPS, it sucks. If it's not online, it sucks. Nintendo should stop making their games and makesrated M games. I'm hearing all overthat kind of garbage on all the forums I go:GameSpot, IGN andNeoGaf. It doesn't help at all Nintendo and their hardcore games library.Zack & Wiki sold bad because they were no ads but also the close-minding of the hardcore gamers. They say it's crap because it has kiddy graphics.

The non-gamers and casual gamers don't give a crap on that. That's why their games are selling. I'm hearing on IGN that many posters there said that casual gaming is killing the industry.I'm not surprised at all that in Japan they don't care anymore on "hardcore games". The "hardcore" games for people here aremature, violent, dark games. In Japan, it's the RPG. The industry really goes nowhere.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]He is correct, though. Most 3rd party games have horrible sales on the Wii, while 3rd parties find success on that other console. It's quite a shame when I see one of the best selling 3rd party titles is Carnival Games.:|pppjjj

TOP 10 GAME SOFTWARE TITLES, NOVEMBER 2007 1) Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) - Activision (Corp) - Nov 2007 - 1.57 million 2) Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - Nintendo - Nov 2007 - 1.12 million 3) Assassin's Creed (360) - Ubisoft - Nov 2007 - 980,000 4) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) - Activision - Oct 2007 - 967,000 5) Wii Play (with remote) (Wii) - Nintendo - Feb 2007 - 564,000 6) Mass Effect (360) - Microsoft - Nov 2007 - 473,000 7) Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3) - Activision - Nov 2007 - 444,000 8) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) - Activision - Oct 2007 - 426,000 9) Halo 3 (360) - Microsoft - Sep 2007 - 387,000 10) Assassin's Creed (PS3) - Ubisoft - Nov 2007 - 377,000

and to back up my claims even further, here are November NPD sales

As you can see, i can not spot a third party wii title here (other than GH3, which is multiplatform).

Sonick54

I think one of the things is that on the other consoles, they have less first and second party support. On the Xbox, Bioshock and Mass Effect, two of the biggest games on Xbox 360, were both third party. Assasin's Creed was huge on PS3 and Xbox, a third party game. The Xbox had really only one other big game I can think of Halo, which is second party, while PS3 had a bunch, Heavenly sword, Uncharted, and Ratchet & Clank. Now, look at the Wii. It didn't have one really BIG third party game. Maybe that new Resident Evil, but honestly, most of the third parties were either smaller titles that won't sell on any console, or crap.

Nintendo has to provide its own hits, because the 3rd parties just aren't showing love.

He is correct, though. Most 3rd party games have horrible sales on the Wii, while 3rd parties find success on that other console. It's quite a shame when I see one of the best selling 3rd party titles is Carnival Games.:|BioShockOwnz

Alot of them its there own fault, when they keep sticking us with ports of PS2 games that dont take advantage of hardware, shovelware, and multiplat titles that come from development B teams. What do they expect in terms of sells? No More Heroes wont sell as much as it should because it isnt a big budget big hype game. However it will sell better than Killer 7 because it has more of a mainstream appeal, and has Ubisoft slapped on the cover, which should also help.

Also its not up to us to change 3rd party sells, if all 3rd party devs worked as hard as Suda did on NMH, or Capcom with Zack & Wiki then 3rd party games would be selling just as well as Nintendo titles. Like take the upcoming Star Wars game, so much potential to be great, an amazing experience. However it will probaly end up a slapped together PS2 port in order to cash in with the least amount of effort.

Heres a word to devs, we are tired of the second rate effort. MORE EFFORT=BETTER SALES, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]He is correct, though. Most 3rd party games have horrible sales on the Wii, while 3rd parties find success on that other console. It's quite a shame when I see one of the best selling 3rd party titles is Carnival Games.:|Sepewrath

Alot of them its there own fault, when they keep sticking us with ports of PS2 games that dont take advantage of hardware, shovelware, and multiplat titles that come from development B teams. What do they expect in terms of sells? No More Heroes wont sell as much as it should because it isnt a big budget big hype game. However it will sell better than Killer 7 because it has more of a mainstream appeal, and has Ubisoft slapped on the cover, which should also help.

Also its not up to us to change 3rd party sells, if all 3rd party devs worked as hard as Suda did on NMH, or Capcom with Zack & Wiki then 3rd party games would be selling just as well as Nintendo titles. Like take the upcoming Star Wars game, so much potential to be great, an amazing experience. However it will probaly end up a slapped together PS2 port in order to cash in with the least amount of effort.

Heres a word to devs, we are tired of the second rate effort. MORE EFFORT=BETTER SALES, plain and simple.

I didn't buya Wii because I wanted to play 3rd party titles, I bought it for Nintendo's games. That being said, if a great 3rd party game comes along I'll consider buying it. I'm not, however,going to buy a crummy 3rd party game in hopes that thedevelopers will make a better game next time. Buying crappy games onlyencourages developers to make more crappy games.aransom

You made a good point there.

the way I look at it, I buy any games that are good third party or nintendo made. I cant say that ive seen any third party games worth buying to my interest and the few I have bought were not worth buying so that right there is a big problemJeffNipples

Wouldn't the problem be your problems researching games that you'll like?

He's more or less right, since the Wii has a majority of non-gamers, most of them aren't really going to get into No More Heroes. The game should be selling well, it got great reviews all around, it's a brand new title in a sea of ports and there are quite a few gamers who have been wanting a game for the Wii that'll appeal to the gamer that made them buy a Gamecube, Ps2, Xbox, or whatever they bought in the past.

He never complained about the sales of Killer 7, he never complained about the sales of Contact. He (like me) was just suprised that the Wii was going for a casual audience instead of trying to appeal to a gamer, the system is spending alot more time on appealing everyone but the gamer.

the Wii has a majority of non-gamers

forgot_it

No that's completely false.

The majority of Wii owners are gamers, the novice gamer is in the minority.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"]

the Wii has a majority of non-gamers

Jaysonguy

No that's completely false.

The majority of Wii owners are gamers, the novice gamer is in the minority.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="forgot_it"]

the Wii has a majority of non-gamers

forgot_it

No that's completely false.

The majority of Wii owners are gamers, the novice gamer is in the minority.

They're still making the makers money

Wii games are vastly cheaper to make and have a much larger return then the "other" games.

It's the fault of the consumers. They only buy first party titles and then wonder why third party support is so bad. It won't matter that Wii is the top selling console if third party titles don't sell. Right now the PS3 and 360 third party software is the outselling the Wii in America. If this doesn't change, third parties are just going to drop the Wii just like they did to the Gamecube and N64. It's up to Wii owners to change this.

Rocky32189

Wow someone with a brain were did you come from? lol

They're still making the makers money

Wii games are vastly cheaper to make and have a much larger return then the "other" games.

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="forgot_it"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="forgot_it"]

the Wii has a majority of non-gamers

Jaysonguy

No that's completely false.

The majority of Wii owners are gamers, the novice gamer is in the minority.

They're still making the makers money

Wii games are vastly cheaper to make and have a much larger return then the "other" games.

Top selling Wii games are Wii sports and Wii play end of topic. The hardcore third party games are way way down the list.

Developers are making more money off ps3-360 ported games then any Wii game. This is because they profit off two systems not just one. Also the ps3 and 360 have way higher selling 3rd party games. The Wii is going down GCs path right now.

Top selling Wii games are Wii sports and Wii play end of topic. The hardcore third party games are way way down the list.

Developers are making more money off ps3-360 ported games then any Wii game. This is because they profit off two systems not just one. Also the ps3 and 360 have way higher selling 3rd party games. The Wii is going down GCs path right now.

zaku101

The two top selling games for the "other" two consoles are also first party. Also what are you doing bringing up Wii Sports that's a pack in in most cases when the Wii leads all hardware and Wii Play that is the best deal to get a Wiimote (the whole most hardware sold again)

Devs still don't make as much selling on two consoles as they do on the Wii unless it's a smash success.

Devs will go where the money is. When you can sell 25 copies of the Wii game and make more money then if you sold 100 copies on "other" hardware.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="forgot_it"]

the Wii has a majority of non-gamers

forgot_it

No that's completely false.

The majority of Wii owners are gamers, the novice gamer is in the minority.

Developers now know their target audience and that is casual gamers. casual gamers don't nearly buy as many games as real gamers. They may buy just one game for a few months and stick with it. Most adults just buy it for Wii sports and that's it.

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

Top selling Wii games are Wii sports and Wii play end of topic. The hardcore third party games are way way down the list.

Developers are making more money off ps3-360 ported games then any Wii game. This is because they profit off two systems not just one. Also the ps3 and 360 have way higher selling 3rd party games. The Wii is going down GCs path right now.

Jaysonguy

The two top selling games for the "other" two consoles are also first party. Also what are you doing bringing up Wii Sports that's a pack in in most cases when the Wii leads all hardware and Wii Play that is the best deal to get a Wiimote (the whole most hardware sold again)

Devs still don't make as much selling on two consoles as they do on the Wii unless it's a smash success.

Devs will go where the money is. When you can sell 25 copies of the Wii game and make more money then if you sold 100 copies on "other" hardware.

Look at call of duty 4.

It's on the PC ported to the PS3+360 with very little hardware changes and in game changes. There is no way a developer would profit off just a Wii when they can tackle 3 markets at once. Also from the 3rd party sales on the Wii I can't see this happening at all.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="zaku101"]

Top selling Wii games are Wii sports and Wii play end of topic. The hardcore third party games are way way down the list.

Developers are making more money off ps3-360 ported games then any Wii game. This is because they profit off two systems not just one. Also the ps3 and 360 have way higher selling 3rd party games. The Wii is going down GCs path right now.

zaku101

The two top selling games for the "other" two consoles are also first party. Also what are you doing bringing up Wii Sports that's a pack in in most cases when the Wii leads all hardware and Wii Play that is the best deal to get a Wiimote (the whole most hardware sold again)

Devs still don't make as much selling on two consoles as they do on the Wii unless it's a smash success.

Devs will go where the money is. When you can sell 25 copies of the Wii game and make more money then if you sold 100 copies on "other" hardware.

Look at call of duty 4.

It's on the PC ported to the PS3+360 with very little hardware changes and in game changes. There is no way a developer would profit off just a Wii when they can tackle 3 markets at once. Also from the 3rd party sales on the Wii I can't see this happening at all.

That's the "smash success" I was talking about.

You have to outsell on the "other" hardware by a 5 to 1 margin or better to see a better profit then on the Wii.

[QUOTE="zaku101"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="zaku101"]

Top selling Wii games are Wii sports and Wii play end of topic. The hardcore third party games are way way down the list.

Developers are making more money off ps3-360 ported games then any Wii game. This is because they profit off two systems not just one. Also the ps3 and 360 have way higher selling 3rd party games. The Wii is going down GCs path right now.

Jaysonguy

The two top selling games for the "other" two consoles are also first party. Also what are you doing bringing up Wii Sports that's a pack in in most cases when the Wii leads all hardware and Wii Play that is the best deal to get a Wiimote (the whole most hardware sold again)

Devs still don't make as much selling on two consoles as they do on the Wii unless it's a smash success.

Devs will go where the money is. When you can sell 25 copies of the Wii game and make more money then if you sold 100 copies on "other" hardware.

Look at call of duty 4.

It's on the PC ported to the PS3+360 with very little hardware changes and in game changes. There is no way a developer would profit off just a Wii when they can tackle 3 markets at once. Also from the 3rd party sales on the Wii I can't see this happening at all.

That's the "smash success" I was talking about.

You have to outsell on the "other" hardware by a 5 to 1 margin or better to see a better profit then on the Wii.

What about Guitar hero 3? Try compairing ps3+360 sales to the Wii version.

The Wii version is almost a completely different game.

More cost may have went into making the ps3+360 version but this is countered with the $60 price tag.

Now it all depends on which one sells more.

What about Guitar hero 3? Try compairing ps3+360 sales to the Wii version.

zaku101

1.29 million on the Wii

2.39 million on "other" hardware

The dev is making more money on the Wii versions

There's no doubt that Guitar Hero will always be on the Wii now, it's making them too much money to ever stop.

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

What about Guitar hero 3? Try compairing ps3+360 sales to the Wii version.

Jaysonguy

1.29 million on the Wii

2.39 million on "other" hardware

The dev is making more money on the Wii versions

There's no doubt that Guitar Hero will always be on the Wii now, it's making them too much money to ever stop.

I am not going to take the time to even ask you were you got those numbers. But how could the Wii version bring more money to developers? The price tag of $60 makes up for the longer production time. Also the Wii version would have to be made with a brand new graphics engine were the ps3 and 360 have the same graphics and no changes were needed to be made to the game.

I am not going to take the time to even ask you were you got those numbers. But how could the Wii version bring more money to developers? The price tag of $60 makes up for the longer production time. Also the Wii version would have to be made with a brand new graphics engine were the ps3 and 360 have the same graphics and no changes were needed to be made to the game.

zaku101

It costs more to make games for that "other" hardware, like I said before for every dollar you spend in production on the Wii you need to spend 5 or more for the others.

The ten dollars per game doesn't even come close to evening the gap.

(we're just going to do this with US numbers to make it easier because I'm not converting for each region's sales lol)

The Wii version is making 64.49 million

The "other" versions are making 143.38

That's barely above the 2 to 1 ratio

The Wii version doesn't need a brand new engine. The Wii is built upon the existing framework of the last game. That's just one reason why it's so cheap to develop for the Wii. You don't start over, you pick up from the last step and keep going and making it better. It's not even that they have to pick up from the last Guitar Hero game, they pick up from whatever game did the best whatever they need in the new game.

The Wii's costs to develop is a plus for the console when dealing with third party devs.

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

I am not going to take the time to even ask you were you got those numbers. But how could the Wii version bring more money to developers? The price tag of $60 makes up for the longer production time. Also the Wii version would have to be made with a brand new graphics engine were the ps3 and 360 have the same graphics and no changes were needed to be made to the game.

Jaysonguy

It costs more to make games for that "other" hardware, like I said before for every dollar you spend in production on the Wii you need to spend 5 or more for the others.

The ten dollars per game doesn't even come close to evening the gap.

(we're just going to do this with US numbers to make it easier because I'm not converting for each region's sales lol)

The Wii version is making 64.49 million

The "other" versions are making 143.38

That's barely above the 2 to 1 ratio

The Wii version doesn't need a brand new engine. The Wii is built upon the existing framework of the last game. That's just one reason why it's so cheap to develop for the Wii. You don't start over, you pick up from the last step and keep going and making it better. It's not even that they have to pick up from the last Guitar Hero game, they pick up from whatever game did the best whatever they need in the new game.

The Wii's costs to develop is a plus for the console when dealing with third party devs.

Dude Ps3+360 is the same game with no changes made to the software. Maybe small changes like controls. Wii version is only for the Wii. Why profit off 1 when you can profit off 2 systems with no major changes made to your game?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="zaku101"]

I am not going to take the time to even ask you were you got those numbers. But how could the Wii version bring more money to developers? The price tag of $60 makes up for the longer production time. Also the Wii version would have to be made with a brand new graphics engine were the ps3 and 360 have the same graphics and no changes were needed to be made to the game.

zaku101

It costs more to make games for that "other" hardware, like I said before for every dollar you spend in production on the Wii you need to spend 5 or more for the others.

The ten dollars per game doesn't even come close to evening the gap.

(we're just going to do this with US numbers to make it easier because I'm not converting for each region's sales lol)

The Wii version is making 64.49 million

The "other" versions are making 143.38

That's barely above the 2 to 1 ratio

The Wii version doesn't need a brand new engine. The Wii is built upon the existing framework of the last game. That's just one reason why it's so cheap to develop for the Wii. You don't start over, you pick up from the last step and keep going and making it better. It's not even that they have to pick up from the last Guitar Hero game, they pick up from whatever game did the best whatever they need in the new game.

The Wii's costs to develop is a plus for the console when dealing with third party devs.

Dude Ps3+360 is the same game with no changes made to the software. Maybe small changes like controls. Wii version is only for the Wii. Why profit off 1 when you can profit off 2 systems with no major changes made to your game?

What are you not following here?

You have to sell 5 or more times the number of units until you see a larger profit on that "other" hardware because the cost it takes to develop for them.

It costs more to develop for the "other" hardware then it takes to develop for the Wii.

The cost effectiveness of the Wii is always going to attract devs.

Its all about advertising, everything these days sells if advertised well and a lot of 3rd partys are lazy and cheap were this is concerned, why do you think Red steel sold so well? it wasn't because of what critics said about it...With an ad campaign like Red steel had I would imagine NMH would shift a few more units, as would something like Zack and Wiki.csliney

I like how Suda blames the Wii for the failure of his niche game. A good game, but a niche game.

Third party developers put the blame on the consumers een though decent third party games are few and far between. Kinda hard for people to buy things that don't exist. Also, jerkoff employees at retailers such as Gamestop/EB Games who are more than willing to clear out the over-priced two-bit games instead of actually helping the consumer find things that suit their tastes only add to the problem.

I like how Suda blames the Wii for the failure of his niche game. A good game, but a niche game.

Third party developers put the blame on the consumers een though decent third party games are few and far between. Kinda hard for people to buy things that don't exist. Also, jerkoff employees at retailers such as Gamestop/EB Games who are more than willing to clear out the over-priced two-bit games instead of actually helping the consumer find things that suit their tastes only add to the problem.

ArtRat

TOP 10 GAME SOFTWARE TITLES, NOVEMBER 2007 1) Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) - Activision (Corp) - Nov 2007 - 1.57 million 2) Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - Nintendo - Nov 2007 - 1.12 million 3) Assassin's Creed (360) - Ubisoft - Nov 2007 - 980,000 4) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) - Activision - Oct 2007 - 967,000 5) Wii Play (with remote) (Wii) - Nintendo - Feb 2007 - 564,000 6) Mass Effect (360) - Microsoft - Nov 2007 - 473,000 7) Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3) - Activision - Nov 2007 - 444,000 8) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) - Activision - Oct 2007 - 426,000 9) Halo 3 (360) - Microsoft - Sep 2007 - 387,000 10) Assassin's Creed (PS3) - Ubisoft - Nov 2007 - 377,000

and to back up my claims even further, here are November NPD sales

As you can see, i can not spot a third party wii title here (other than GH3, which is multiplatform).

Sonick54

CoD4,Bioshock and Assasin's creed are all epics and received very positive reviews, plus they actually had a solid amount of advertising...Where can you find that on wii..Where are the 3rd party "epics" that show effort,where is the advertising..

Big fan of Suda 51 i am, i've already preodered NMH and piad fullprice for it, $54.50 complete...All i have to do is pick it up launch day.. But really Suda should have forced his publishers to advertise..NMH seems like a game he put some effort into and i really want him to do well..He needs to get the word out, i dont even know if its known outside forums..

[QUOTE="zaku101"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="zaku101"]

I am not going to take the time to even ask you were you got those numbers. But how could the Wii version bring more money to developers? The price tag of $60 makes up for the longer production time. Also the Wii version would have to be made with a brand new graphics engine were the ps3 and 360 have the same graphics and no changes were needed to be made to the game.

Jaysonguy

It costs more to make games for that "other" hardware, like I said before for every dollar you spend in production on the Wii you need to spend 5 or more for the others.

The ten dollars per game doesn't even come close to evening the gap.

(we're just going to do this with US numbers to make it easier because I'm not converting for each region's sales lol)

The Wii version is making 64.49 million

The "other" versions are making 143.38

That's barely above the 2 to 1 ratio

The Wii version doesn't need a brand new engine. The Wii is built upon the existing framework of the last game. That's just one reason why it's so cheap to develop for the Wii. You don't start over, you pick up from the last step and keep going and making it better. It's not even that they have to pick up from the last Guitar Hero game, they pick up from whatever game did the best whatever they need in the new game.

The Wii's costs to develop is a plus for the console when dealing with third party devs.

Dude Ps3+360 is the same game with no changes made to the software. Maybe small changes like controls. Wii version is only for the Wii. Why profit off 1 when you can profit off 2 systems with no major changes made to your game?

What are you not following here?

You have to sell 5 or more times the number of units until you see a larger profit on that "other" hardware because the cost it takes to develop for them.

It costs more to develop for the "other" hardware then it takes to develop for the Wii.

The cost effectiveness of the Wii is always going to attract devs.

Dude that's why they have the extra $10 on there. I am pretty sure they don't charge you $60 for a game for the "lols".

Off topic: I bought Killer 7 on the GC...But Suda shouldnt complain about that..It was released on PS2's 110million userbase and i wonder if it even reached anywhere near 100K,let alone a million..I hear it even did better on the GC..fitzokoli

I remember GC users loved it, but then again they didn't really have many games to choose from. Burnt the game on my ps2 played it for an hour turned it off. I found it to be pretty boring compared to the games out at the time. So yes I think that it could have sold more on the GC.

Dude Ps3+360 is the same game with no changes made to the software. Maybe small changes like controls. Wii version is only for the Wii. Why profit off 1 when you can profit off 2 systems with no major changes made to your game?

zaku101

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

Dude Ps3+360 is the same game with no changes made to the software. Maybe small changes like controls. Wii version is only for the Wii. Why profit off 1 when you can profit off 2 systems with no major changes made to your game?

aransom

70-80% of 3rd party games are on both. I said small changes not just controls. Still its not like they had to completely make a new game from scratch.

I don't think it's the fault of the consumer at all. If third parties make a great game and actually advertise it to the intended audience, it will sell. Guitar Hero is a great game. It had a great TV commercial; people knew about it, it attracted both the casual audience (which is the majority of wii owners) and the hard-core. It sold like crazy. Third parties need to find the sweet spot, they need to make games that appeal to both the hard-core and the casual, and for the love of god they need to advertise their products on something other then gaming websites. If Zack and Wiki had a cool TV commercial, Capcom would've sold more copies. And of course, third parties need to make quality games. I don't buy crap.

[QUOTE="fitzokoli"]Off topic: I bought Killer 7 on the GC...But Suda shouldnt complain about that..It was released on PS2's 110million userbase and i wonder if it even reached anywhere near 100K,let alone a million..I hear it even did better on the GC..zaku101

I remember GC users loved it, but then again they didn't really have many games to choose from. Burnt the game on my ps2 played it for an hour turned it off. I found it to be pretty boring compared to the games out at the time. So yes I think that it could have sold more on the GC.

Actually not really...Thats a rubbish excuse to be honest :p why is it always excuses, its one after another...The Wii doesnt have a huge library of games you know so if anything your logicimplies NMH should have done way better...GC version did better than PS2 even though PS2 had a way larger userbase plain and simple,no excuses..I have a PS2 and GC but i got the GC version of K7 solely because i prefer the GC controller's feel not because i had tons of other good games on my PS2..Still the fact that it didnt break any ground at all on a 110million userbase is kinda sad...Are you saying it wasnt good enough?if thats the case devs should make better games and not complain...

SMG isnt the 2nd best rated game on GR by pure luck or chance, Nintendo made a solid game...More 3rd party devs should follow in their footsteps...I really applaud Suda for making a solid wii title and i'm a big fan of his thats why i'm not bashing him as i want to but i just feel he shouldnt blame nintendo...In Suda's case he has a solid game all he needs is to advertise...CoD4, Assasin's creed,Bioshock all these solid 3rd party games had a solid amount of hype and advertising, we need more of that from 3rd party's beofre they start complaining..How many 3rd party devs have put in as much effort in making a game and advertising as done for CoD4 and the rest?

I haven't seen one bit of advertisement for this game. If I wasn't on game sites the only way I would buy this game was if I picked it up at a game store and looked at the cover!