This disappoints me greatly...

So then are you now thinking that they will do that: announce a game right before release?

clicketyclick

The same year of release, yes. Nintendo isn't attending anything this year and all they have for 09 so far is WSR. So unless they make their own conference for actuall announcements (usually it's for hands ons and such), the next Nintendo news will be at GDC and E3 09.

The same year of release, yes. Nintendo isn't attending anything this year and all they have for 09 so far is WSR. So unless they make their own conference for actuall announcements (usually it's for hands ons and such), the next Nintendo news will be at GDC and E3 09.

Wintry_Flutist

So you figure that Nintendo will announce it at GDC or E3 next year and release it within that year?

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

The same year of release, yes. Nintendo isn't attending anything this year and all they have for 09 so far is WSR. So unless they make their own conference for actuall announcements (usually it's for hands ons and such), the next Nintendo news will be at GDC and E3 09.

clicketyclick

So you figure that Nintendo will announce it at E3 next year and release it within that year?

Or 2010 - ain't Zelda without a delay. I can understand a four years development for a Zelda game supposed to refresh the series, but it won't be more. Galaxy, a proper Wii game that was a monster to pull out technically, needed four years, much of it spent in dead projects like Mario 128 (one half of it turned into Pikmin and the rest was put on hold). In other words, not the kind of thing happening with Zelda, since it got a team working on the same franchise non stop.

Or 2010 - ain't Zelda without a delay. I can understand a four years development for a Zelda game supposed to refresh the series, but it won't be more. Galaxy, a proper Wii game that was a monster to pull out technically, needed four years, much of it spent in dead projects like Mario 128 (one half of it turned into Pikmin and the rest was put on hold). In other words, not the kind of thing happening with Zelda, since it got a team working on the same franchise non stop.

Wintry_Flutist

Contrary to what you may think, I have no problem with waiting 4 years between installments in a franchise. In fact, as you might have ascertained from my sig, I'm a big Tomb Raider fan and have consequently developed a great antipathy towards publishers that push out installments only one year apart.

The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years...

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Or 2010 - ain't Zelda without a delay. I can understand a four years development for a Zelda game supposed to refresh the series, but it won't be more. Galaxy, a proper Wii game that was a monster to pull out technically, needed four years, much of it spent in dead projects like Mario 128 (one half of it turned into Pikmin and the rest was put on hold). In other words, not the kind of thing happening with Zelda, since it got a team working on the same franchise non stop.

clicketyclick

Contrary to what you may think, I have no problem with waiting 4 years between installments in a franchise. In fact, as you might have ascertained from my sig, I'm a big Tomb Raider fan and have consequently developed a great antipathy towards publishers that push out installments only one year apart.

The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years...

It's a Wii game with a full team dedicated to it, a Zelda expert as manager/producer, and a legendary designer supervising their work. When a beast like MGS4 four years to be done, I can accept a newly formed team to take as much time for Galaxy, the project went through a lot (there were actually only TWO years of proper development), but for Zelda, no excuse.

Nintendo was providing information on a weekly basis all before E3... to Japan. There is no NA date set. Yet another great example of Nintendo working hard to localise games like Fatal Frame IV quickly. clicketyclick

Wario Land was announced in May (correct me if I'm wrong) and it released in July in Japan and is coming in September in North America. Captain Rainbow was announced in July (correct me if I'm wrong) and it comes out next week in Japan. Animal Crossing was announced in July and comes in November. Nothing has been announced for 2009, so unless nothing is coming, all those games will be announced very close to release.

Wii Sports Resort was shown early to showcase Motion Plus to third parties. Reggie said that in an interview. He also said that right now they are focusing on showing off games in their playable forms. (If anyone can find this interview please send me a link. I forgot who he did it with.)

I'm presenting you with the facts. Make your own conclusions. Just don't say I'm wrong unless you can show evidence to support it.

Nintendo is more focused on the casual market in general. This could be the reason why Ninty devotes more time, attention, and advertising money to its casual titles. It's not that they've shifted policies; it's just that they've shifted focus. Hype up the casual titles, because that's what's important. Core market? ...ehhhh.... not so much.

Nintendo devotes more time advertising to casuals, because the hardcore audience knows what is coming. Advertising to the hadcore audience is pointless.

[quote="clicketyclick"]Nintendo was providing information on a weekly basis all before E3... to Japan. There is no NA date set. Yet another great example of Nintendo working hard to localise games like Fatal Frame IV quickly. Rocky32189

Wario Land was announced in May (correct me if I'm wrong) and it released in July in Japan and is coming in September in North America. Captain Rainbow was announced in July (correct me if I'm wrong) and it comes out next week in Japan. Animal Crossing was announced in July and comes in November. Nothing has been announced for 2009, so unless nothing is coming, all those games will be announced very close to release.

Wii Sports Resort was shown early to showcase Motion Plus to third parties. Reggie said that in an interview. He also said that right now they are focusing on showing off games in their playable forms. (If anyone can find this interview please send me a link. I forgot who he did it with.)

I'm presenting you with the facts. Make your own conclusions. Just don't say I'm wrong unless you can show evidence to support it.

Nintendo is more focused on the casual market in general. This could be the reason why Ninty devotes more time, attention, and advertising money to its casual titles. It's not that they've shifted policies; it's just that they've shifted focus. Hype up the casual titles, because that's what's important. Core market? ...ehhhh.... not so much.click

Nintendo devotes more time advertising to casuals, because the hardcore audience knows what is coming. Advertising to the hadcore audience is pointless.

It's a Wii game with a full team dedicated to it, a Zelda expert as manager/producer, and a legendary designer supervising their work. When a beast like MGS4 four years to be done, I can accept a newly formed team to take as much time for Galaxy, the project went through a lot (there were actually only TWO years of proper development), but for Zelda, no excuse.

Wintry_Flutist

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying... you were just saying before how you can understand 4 years of dev. Well anyway, I think my point still stands?

[quote="clicketyclick"]Nintendo was providing information on a weekly basis all before E3... to Japan. There is no NA date set. Yet another great example of Nintendo working hard to localise games like Fatal Frame IV quickly. Rocky32189

Wario Land was announced in May (correct me if I'm wrong) and it released in July in Japan and is coming in September in North America. Captain Rainbow was announced in July (correct me if I'm wrong) and it comes out next week in Japan.

You're right about Rainbow. But so what? How does that prove your hypothesis to the exclusion of mine? Same goes for the rest of your post.

I'm presenting you with the facts. Make your own conclusions. Just don't say I'm wrong unless you can show evidence to support it.Rocky32189

No, that's not how it works. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to support it when challenged. You can't just assert that Nintendo has changed policies without an official announcement from Ninty saying they have. You're spreading false information. You absolutely cannot come to the conclusion you have from the evidence you presented. That they announce Rainbow only a month before release doesn't mean they'll also announce LoZ one month before release. You're jumping to conclusions.

Nintendo devotes more time advertising to casuals, because the hardcore audience knows what is coming. Advertising to the hadcore audience is pointless.

Rocky32189

However, they would do well to make a marketing campaign aimed at getting new customers more into gaming in order to make them regular consumers. Otherwise, third parties will continue to experience little success and the attached rate will remain low. Not to mention, the mass market is fickle and will move on to the next gadget.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

It's a Wii game with a full team dedicated to it, a Zelda expert as manager/producer, and a legendary designer supervising their work. When a beast like MGS4 four years to be done, I can accept a newly formed team to take as much time for Galaxy, the project went through a lot (there were actually only TWO years of proper development), but for Zelda, no excuse.

clicketyclick

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying... you were just saying before how you can understand 4 years of dev. Well anyway, I think my point still stands?

Four years, but no more.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

It's a Wii game with a full team dedicated to it, a Zelda expert as manager/producer, and a legendary designer supervising their work. When a beast like MGS4 four years to be done, I can accept a newly formed team to take as much time for Galaxy, the project went through a lot (there were actually only TWO years of proper development), but for Zelda, no excuse.

Wintry_Flutist

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying... you were just saying before how you can understand 4 years of dev. Well anyway, I think my point still stands?

Four years, but no more.

Normal games take about 2-3 years to develop, so he is saying for the people over at kokatu to stop complaining because they cant make a game in 1 year.

Your saying zelda should be made in 2 years, or even three years.

But we know that it will not happen, every single zelda game gets delayed and delayed, but thats what makes them so good. He is saying that zelda is an exception but the other good games will start coming out next year, after the 3 year mark is up.

No, that's not how it works. If you make an assertion, it's up to you to support it when challenged. You can't just assert that Nintendo has changed policies without an official announcement from Ninty saying they have. You're spreading false information. You absolutely cannot come to the conclusion you have from the evidence you presented. That they announce Rainbow only a month before release doesn't mean they'll also announce LoZ one month before release. You're jumping to conclusions.

clicketyclick

I just provided you with all the facst. If you choose not to acknowledge them (because they support my point) than so be it. Although it may not be an official announcement, it did come right out of the mouth of the President of Nintendo of America when asked that very question. (I'll try to find the interview but I don't remember who he did it with. If someone could help, I'd appreciate it)

I never said that the next Zelda would be shown only a month before release. But it won't be shown two and a half years before like Twilight. Maybe six months before release? I don't know, only Nintendo does. But by looking at their actions over the past 6 months or so, it's obvious they've altered the way they announce games.

Holy non sequitur. I think you misinterpreted my post. Please do try again. I think if you understood what I was getting at, it could lead to interesting discussion.

I just provided you with all the facst. If you choose not to acknowledge them (because they support my point) than so be it.Rocky32189

The point is that the facts equally support both of our hypotheses, so you cannot conclude that they are definitive proof of your hypothesis, and conclude that Nintendo has changed their policy.

But by looking at their actions over the past 6 months or so, it's obvious they've altered the way they announce games.

Rocky32189

But that's only a descriptive statement about what they've done in the past. You can't use that to predict the future. And even if they continue to do it like this does not mean they're doing it because of some policy that's now in place.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

It's a Wii game with a full team dedicated to it, a Zelda expert as manager/producer, and a legendary designer supervising their work. When a beast like MGS4 four years to be done, I can accept a newly formed team to take as much time for Galaxy, the project went through a lot (there were actually only TWO years of proper development), but for Zelda, no excuse.

alexh_99

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying... you were just saying before how you can understand 4 years of dev. Well anyway, I think my point still stands?

Four years, but no more.

Normal games take about 2-3 years to develop, so he is saying for the people over at kokatu to stop complaining because they cant make a game in 1 year.

Your saying zelda should be made in 2 years, or even three years.

But we know that it will not happen, every single zelda game gets delayed and delayed, but thats what makes them so good. He is saying that zelda is an exception but the other good games will start coming out next year, after the 3 year mark is up.

I'm saying there's no damn way a game like Zelda takes more than four years to be made, when it's enough time to make a game as huge as MGS4, and the only Wii game to require such time to be made is SMG, and that's because almost half of it was spent working on something that was canned, and then fully redesigned.

I'm saying there's no damn way a game like Zelda takes more than four years to be made, when it's enough time to make a game as huge as MGS4, and the only Wii game to require such time to be made is SMG, and that's because almost half of it was spent working on something that was canned, and then fully redesigned.

Wintry_Flutist

And I'm not arguing against that, so why do you insist on it to me?

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

I'm saying there's no damn way a game like Zelda takes more than four years to be made, when it's enough time to make a game as huge as MGS4, and the only Wii game to require such time to be made is SMG, and that's because almost half of it was spent working on something that was canned, and then fully redesigned.

clicketyclick

And I'm not arguing against that, so why do you insist on it to me?

Are you alexh_99?

clicketyclick, I found the interview I was talking about: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37265.html

Go to 2;15. I tried to quote everything he said. This is coming from the mouth of the President of Nintendo of America.

"Our strategy really is to unveil these games close to when they are going to be launched, and that's when we can show them and have people try them and experience them... Our choice is to show it closer to when it's going to launch... When we have dates to announce, we'll announce them. When we have fantastic footage to share, we'll do it. Our difference is, we're going to show it when people can play it versus show it and say... *interrupted by Geoff Keighly*"

What other proof do you need?

Are you alexh_99?

Wintry_Flutist

You responded to me too, remember? "Four years, but no more."

"Our strategy really is to unveil these games close to when they are going to be launched, and that's when we can show them and have people try them and experience them... Our choice is to show it closer to when it's going to launch... When we have dates to announce, we'll announce them. When we have fantastic footage to share, we'll do it.

Rocky32189

"Closer" does not mean they won't show it a year before release. This is in comparison to games like Spore and Duke Nukem Forever. Basically, the only thing you've proved is that they don't have footage to show. Or in other words, they are in very early development with LoZ. And if they're only in early dev with LoZ, they're not very far in with other franchises that have already seen Wii releases.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Are you alexh_99?

clicketyclick

You responded to me too, remember? "Four years, but no more."

Learn quote tags.

And what else do you want to know besides the fact I can't accept more than 4 years of development, specially for a Wii game?

"Closer" does not mean they won't show it a year before release. This is in comparison to games like Spore and Duke Nukem Forever. Basically, the only thing you've proved is that they don't have footage to show. Or in other words, they are in very early development with LoZ. And if they're only in early dev with LoZ, they're not very far in with other franchises that have already seen Wii releases.

clicketyclick

You said that Nintendo hasn't changed policies regarding announcing games. I just proved to you that they have. That is what this whole argument was about remember? Changing the subject isn't going to help your stance.

I also find it laughable that earlier you said to me, "You're asserting false information and starting rumours". Now you say that Nintendo is "in very early development with LoZ". Ironic, don't you think?

Learn quote tags. Wintry_Flutist

Learn to stop abusing that cookie monster icon, so there.

Besides, I had already quoted you saying that and didn't understand since it was such a non sequitur. It was only when you elaborated to alex that I understood your meaning. So I quoted you there, and figured you'd remember giving me a similar answer and me asking what on earth you meant by it.

And what else do you want to know besides the fact I can't accept more than 4 years of development, specially for a Wii game?

Wintry_Flutist

Not to respond with that when I say: "The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years..."

The point is that LoZ will be the first to get a second installment on Wii since it was released first. If all of Ninty's existing franchises that have had Wii releases are only going to get a second title on Wii in 2010 or after... well, first of all, that's a long wait with very little being thrown our way to tide us over. Second of all, it's likely that we won't see many of those franchises again until the next generation of consoles.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Learn quote tags. clicketyclick

Learn to stop abusing that cookie monster icon, so there.

Besides, I had already quoted you saying that and didn't understand since it was such a non sequitur. It was only when you elaborated to alex that I understood your meaning. So I quoted you there, and figured you'd remember giving me a similar answer and me asking what on earth you meant by it.

And what else do you want to know besides the fact I can't accept more than 4 years of development, specially for a Wii game?

Wintry_Flutist

Not to respond with that when I say: "The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years..."

The point is that LoZ will be the first to get a second installment on Wii since it was released first. If all of Ninty's existing franchises that have had Wii releases are only going to get a second title on Wii in 2010 or after... well, first of all, that's a long wait with very little being thrown our way to tide us over. Second of all, it's likely that we won't see many of those franchises again until the next generation of consoles.

NES = 8 years

SNES = 7 years

The Wii is the fastest selling console of all time, you can bet it'll last like the PS2.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Learn quote tags. clicketyclick

Learn to stop abusing that cookie monster icon, so there.

Besides, I had already quoted you saying that and didn't understand since it was such a non sequitur. It was only when you elaborated to alex that I understood your meaning. So I quoted you there, and figured you'd remember giving me a similar answer and me asking what on earth you meant by it.

And what else do you want to know besides the fact I can't accept more than 4 years of development, specially for a Wii game?

Wintry_Flutist

Not to respond with that when I say: "The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years..."

The point is that LoZ will be the first to get a second installment on Wii since it was released first. If all of Ninty's existing franchises that have had Wii releases are only going to get a second title on Wii in 2010 or after... well, first of all, that's a long wait with very little being thrown our way to tide us over. Second of all, it's likely that we won't see many of those franchises again until the next generation of consoles.

if it ocmes out in 2010, it does not mean 4 years. What if they started developing it in late 2007? then it would be 3 years.

If you own a Wii as your only console and you are a serious gamer...then I fell bad for you.

I mean come on people its true that nintendo makes great hardcore games but look at there last two "big announcements at E3" Wii fit, and Wii motion plus? Its kind of obvious what Nintendos main focus is right now. ($$$)

And you don't make that selling to minorities (hardcore gamers)

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

Learn quote tags. clicketyclick

Learn to stop abusing that cookie monster icon, so there.

Besides, I had already quoted you saying that and didn't understand since it was such a non sequitur. It was only when you elaborated to alex that I understood your meaning. So I quoted you there, and figured you'd remember giving me a similar answer and me asking what on earth you meant by it.

And what else do you want to know besides the fact I can't accept more than 4 years of development, specially for a Wii game?

Wintry_Flutist

Not to respond with that when I say: "The problem is this: LoZ was the first Ninty Wii title to come out. Logically, this would indicate that the next LoZ will be the first franchise to get a second Wii title. And if that's only coming out in 2010... well, as you said, that's four years after the first. That's also four years after the Wii was launched. And console lifespans (unless made by Sony) are only 5 years..."

The point is that LoZ will be the first to get a second installment on Wii since it was released first. If all of Ninty's existing franchises that have had Wii releases are only going to get a second title on Wii in 2010 or after... well, first of all, that's a long wait with very little being thrown our way to tide us over. Second of all, it's likely that we won't see many of those franchises again until the next generation of consoles.

If you own a Wii as your only console and you are a serious gamer...then I fell bad for you.

I mean come on people its true that nintendo makes great hardcore games but look at there last two "big announcements at E3" Wii fit, and Wii motion plus? Its kind of obvious what Nintendos main focus is right now. ($$$)

And you don't make that selling to minorities (hardcore gamers)

nintendogamer6

Just wait for Madworld and The Conduit

[QUOTE="nintendogamer6"]

If you own a Wii as your only console and you are a serious gamer...then I fell bad for you.

I mean come on people its true that nintendo makes great hardcore games but look at there last two "big announcements at E3" Wii fit, and Wii motion plus? Its kind of obvious what Nintendos main focus is right now. ($$$)

And you don't make that selling to minorities (hardcore gamers)

PhazonBlazer

Just wait for Madworld and The Conduit

NES = 8 years

SNES = 7 years

The Wii is the fastest selling console of all time, you can bet it'll last like the PS2.-Wheels-

Technology is moving at a faster rate nowadays than it was back in the S/NES era. Everyone expects a new console within five years of the last. Otherwise, the consoles just can't keep up. Each of Sony, Nintendo, and M$ released new consoles within five years of the last ones. My point isn't so much that we will never see another game in the franchises on Wii again, but that it will take a very long time to get one.

if it ocmes out in 2010, it does not mean 4 years. What if they started developing it in late 2007? then it would be 3 years.

alexh_99

You're missing the point. It's not how long it took them in development; it's that LoZ most likely will be the first to get another installment on Wii. Regardless of dev time, if it's coming out in 2010, that means that all the others are coming out after that.

[QUOTE="-Wheels-"]

NES = 8 years

SNES = 7 years

The Wii is the fastest selling console of all time, you can bet it'll last like the PS2.clicketyclick

Technology is moving at a faster rate nowadays than it was back in the S/NES era. Everyone expects a new console within five years of the last. Otherwise, the consoles just can't keep up. Each of Sony, Nintendo, and M$ released new consoles within five years of the last ones. My point isn't so much that we will never see another game in the franchises on Wii again, but that it will take a very long time to get one.

if it ocmes out in 2010, it does not mean 4 years. What if they started developing it in late 2007? then it would be 3 years.

alexh_99

You're missing the point. It's not how long it took them in development; it's that LoZ most likely will be the first to get another installment on Wii. Regardless of dev time, if it's coming out in 2010, that means that all the others are coming out after that.

so you are saying that each game takes the same amopunt of time to make? well no it doesnt.

especially if you use the same engine as the other game etc.

so just because zelda might come out in 2010 it doesnt mean sequels to other games will take as long

Technology is moving at a faster rate nowadays than it was back in the S/NES era. Everyone expects a new console within five years of the last. Otherwise, the consoles just can't keep up. Each of Sony, Nintendo, and M$ released new consoles within five years of the last ones. My point isn't so much that we will never see another game in the franchises on Wii again, but that it will take a very long time to get one.

[QUOTE="alexh_99"]

if it ocmes out in 2010, it does not mean 4 years. What if they started developing it in late 2007? then it would be 3 years.

clicketyclick

You're missing the point. It's not how long it took them in development; it's that LoZ most likely will be the first to get another installment on Wii. Regardless of dev time, if it's coming out in 2010, that means that all the others are coming out after that.

So "everyone" is expecting 5 year life cycles starting with this gen? If I can remember correctly, the PS2 came out 8 years ago and is still seeing big releases (probably not much longer though). And in case you have forgotten, Nintendo hasn't released all their franchises yet. Kirby was being worked on a few years ago and we will likely see it within the next year. I'm sure there is more. You are right about the sequels, but Nintendo has more than Wii sequels for the core. So ya, no one knows when Nintendo is releasing what really. So do us all a favor and stop preaching assumptions like they are fact please.

so you are saying that each game takes the same amopunt of time to make? well no it doesnt.

especially if you use the same engine as the other game etc.

so just because zelda might come out in 2010 it doesnt mean sequels to other games will take as long

alexh_99

Fair enough. I do not accept that a Ninty game takes 1 year to make. Wintry does not accept that a Wii game takes more than 4 years to make and he's right, imnsho. So let's say 2-4 years. Does that agree with you?

If I can remember correctly, the PS2 came out 8 years ago and is still seeing big releases (probably not much longer though).-Wheels-

I already addressed that. My original post about it said "unless they're made by Sony," or something to that effect. Sony's business model is not the same as Ninty's/M$'s. The longevity of their consoles is deliberate planning. Sony has made a big fuss about how the PS3 will have a 10-year lifespan, and points to advanced tech that's not really required at the moment to prove that such a commitment is feasible. The Wii is already behind, technologically, and Ninty will need a new console within a few years or the Wii will become obsolete.

And in case you have forgotten, Nintendo hasn't released all their franchises yet.-Wheels-

I haven't forgotten. My very first post in this thread read: "what about the ones they started working on at or before the Wii's release, which haven't yet had a game on Wii? Granted, there aren't that many left, which only raises another question: why no new IP?"

Most of Ninty's franchises have been released already, and they'll most likely be getting second Wii installations after LoZ, since that was the first to be released. In between, there aren't many franchises up for Wii releases. Hmm... EarthBound? F-Zero? Kid Icarus? Kirby? Star Fox? Yoshi? We know a Wario and an AC are coming, you say Kirby, but that's three between now and 2010.

Nintendo is just slacking off and frankly, they don't care about their core base. From the abolishing of NSider to the lack of frequent first-party titles, it's clear that Nintendo is focusing solely on the casual market. bluej33

[QUOTE="bluej33"]Nintendo is just slacking off and frankly, they don't care about their core base. From the abolishing of NSider to the lack of frequent first-party titles, it's clear that Nintendo is focusing solely on the casual market. Canuck3000

Oh, teh horror!

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"][QUOTE="bluej33"]Nintendo is just slacking off and frankly, they don't care about their core base. From the abolishing of NSider to the lack of frequent first-party titles, it's clear that Nintendo is focusing solely on the casual market. Wintry_Flutist

Oh, teh horror!

Most of Ninty's franchises have been released already, and they'll most likely be getting second Wii installations after LoZ, since that was the first to be released. In between, there aren't many franchises up for Wii releases. Hmm... EarthBound? F-Zero? Kid Icarus? Kirby? Star Fox? Yoshi? We know a Wario and an AC are coming, you say Kirby, but that's three between now and 2010.

clicketyclick

Despite what you seem to believe, the Wii will have more than 3 great games in the next 2 years. Nintendo isn't the only company. Nintendo is supporting the Wii core just as much as the Gamecube. Take that for what it is.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

Most of Ninty's franchises have been released already, and they'll most likely be getting second Wii installations after LoZ, since that was the first to be released. In between, there aren't many franchises up for Wii releases. Hmm... EarthBound? F-Zero? Kid Icarus? Kirby? Star Fox? Yoshi? We know a Wario and an AC are coming, you say Kirby, but that's three between now and 2010.

-Wheels-

Despite what you seem to believe, the Wii will have more than 3 great games in the next 2 years. Nintendo isn't the only company. Nintendo is supporting the Wii core just as much as the Gamecube. Take that for what it is.

Well, if that's what it seems I believe to you, then you haven't been following what I've been saying. We're talking about Nintendo titles. This whole thread has been Nintendo titles. And I've been talking about when these Nintendo titles will be released. I don't know why you're talking about third parties now. I suppose it's because you concede my point that we won't be seeing much from Nintendo for a while?

Third parties are really picking up their acts right now. Nintendo's stepping back to work on whatever they're doing and letting third parties bring on the epic games.Dark_Link142

You know it's not necessary for Nintendo to not release stuff in order for third parties to make games...

But in any case, it's a bit disingenuous. Nintendo WILL be releasing new games. They will just be along the lines of Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, Wii Sing, Wii Dance, Wii Bake, Wii Sew, etc.

Nintendo WILL be releasing new games. They will just be along the lines of Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, Wii Sing, Wii Dance, Wii Bake, Wii Sew, etc.

clicketyclick

Yeah, because Nintendo isn't releasing Wario Land or Animal Crossing this year. They didn't already announce Zelda, Mario, and Pikmin. Factor 5 isn't working on a Nintendo franchise. Retro studios is on vacation. Kid Icarus and Punch-Out aren't rumored to be revived. Star Fox, F-Zero, and Metroid will never receive a sequel. All that's left is casual games.

/sarcasm

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

Nintendo WILL be releasing new games. They will just be along the lines of Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, Wii Sing, Wii Dance, Wii Bake, Wii Sew, etc.

Rocky32189

Yeah, because Nintendo isn't releasing Wario Land or Animal Crossing this year. They didn't already announce Zelda, Mario, and Pikmin. Factor 5 isn't working on a Nintendo franchise. Retro studios is on vacation. Kid Icarus and Punch-Out aren't rumored to be revived. Star Fox, F-Zero, and Metroid will never receive a sequel. All that's left is casual games.

/sarcasm

Please try to follow the line of convo. We've already dealt with those. Check out what Wheels quoted me saying, above.

fan boy site lol ,, the wii has alot of good games for the hardcore they just ignore em , simple as that they think for it to be hard core it has to have violence which is false then bc half of ps2s games were e rated and such , eg gt nfs etc

mario galaxy metroid prime 3 zelda tp red steel far cry vengance medal of honor vanguard medal of honor heroes 2 no more heroes zack and wiki mario kart wii excite truck house of the dead 2/3 resident evil 4 wii edition re uc manhunt 2 driver paralel lines the godfather bully se house of the dead overkill-coming mad world -coming sadness-coming timesplitters 4-coming wario land wii -coming quatim of the solace -coming and some other games like chrysler classic racing budget title but is not for a non gamer , ,or casual its a racing game as is nfs classic british motor racing , cars and cruisn

see many of the complainers fail to get out of bed and look lol they look at reviews then run before even renting these also nintendo is working on its 3rd game that was announced at e3 06- disaster day of crisis plus iwata said mario and zelda teams are working on an unannounced title , this excludes what nintendo is already working on which are

animal crossing , disaster day of crisis mario sluggers 2 , wario land wii ,

wii sports 2 wii music, thats only 2 casual titles out of 4 gamer oriented titles, so aDD THE MARIO./ZELDA TITLES to it , and 09 has not started ,

Third parties are really picking up their acts right now. Nintendo's stepping back to work on whatever they're doing and letting third parties bring on the epic games.Dark_Link142

Yeah -- third party line up from now till early 2009 is great.
- De Blob
- Little Kings Story
- MadWorld
- Megaman 9
- Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World

I'll be one happy gamer with that line up.