TP: last of it's kind = ???

Ok, the creator of Twilight princess said that the game would be the last zelda of it's kind. In this thread, we shall try to decipher this cryptic message. Why is this important, because it could mean we have a fairly large change coming such as a zelda MMO. Now, considering that he chose his words accurately, we have to decide what jusifys a "Kind". Sometimes, a kind is a large group. Take animals, there are species of animals such as the diffrent species of wales, and then there is the whale kind. Now, taking this to be the meaning he was using, we could assume that Twilight princess would be the last zelda of it's genre, yet we know this to be false because Phantom hourglass was the same genre as TP. Now, my dictionary defines kind as a group of people or things having similiar characteristics. So, if TP was the last zelda that fit into a certain group, and PH came after TP, then we can use the major differences from TP and past games and PH to define what was meant. Ok, let's get started.

TP: Realistic graphics

PH: Cartoon graphics

TP: imprecise controls

PH: Precise controls

TP: Land adventure

PH: Sea adventure

TP: Considered harcore

PH: Considered less hardcore

TP: Console

PH: Handheld

TP: Single-player only

PH: Multiplayer

TP: Epic

PH: Not so epic

TP: Hyrule

PH: Elsewhere

TP: Gannondorf as villian

PH: Someone else

TP: The Master Sword

PH: A diffrent sword

TP: More heavy

PH: More light-hearted

TP: Triforce involved

PH: Triforce less involved

Ok, i think that's plenty. Make what you will of my list.

your thinking to much.

It will most likely be motion plus, or something like that

your thinking to much.

It will most likely be motion plus, or something like that

alexh_99

So you think that by "last of it's kind" they mean all future zeldas will have much more accurate controls? I'm not so sure that a change in controls justifies a diffrent kind. Still, it's possible. Or perhaps that is only part of the change.

Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Jaysonguy

TP

Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?nintendoboy16

Technically it was ported to wii and as such is not a full wii game. The discernible difference is the controls.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?KingBowser91

TP

They are bringing back the laser shooting function of the sword and turning it into a first person shooter.

You just wait and see...

Ok, I'm joking, but I just couldn't resist. Speaking of the laser shooting swords, I kind of miss that. I wonder why they got rid of that. (For those who didn't play the original Zelda games, when Link had full health, his sword attacks would shoot out a little magic sword projectile. In LttP, it only worked once you got the Master Sword, and the projectile was a spinning, sparkly deal, versus just a color-flashing copy of the sword like in the first 2,)

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Head_of_games

Technically it was ported to wii and as such is not a full wii game. The discernible difference is the controls.

[QUOTE="KingBowser91"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Jaysonguy

TP

A gamecube game in a white case just like Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn thats what you mean right?

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?nintendoboy16

Technically it was ported to wii and as such is not a full wii game. The discernible difference is the controls.

They are bringing back the laser shooting function of the sword and turning it into a first person shooter.

You just wait and see...

Mike1978Smith

Only if Bethesda takes over the reins.

Yes Both games were never designed with motion controls in mind. They were just added to tie into the whole Wii motion part of the console.Jaysonguy

So you can't say that a certain console has a game unless that game was designed specifically with that console's control scheme in mind? I must say, consoles have very few games then!

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Jaysonguy

Technically it was ported to wii and as such is not a full wii game. The discernible difference is the controls.

TP for wii was always going to have motion controls, thats why the whole world had to get flip-flopped so link could be right-handed

So you can't say that a certain console has a game unless that game was designed specifically with that console's control scheme in mind? I must say, consoles have very few games then!

clicketyclick

Not when the game was designed and built for the previous gen's hardware.

Twilgiht Princess was done almost a year before it was launched. The only reason it was held back was to meet the Wii's launch. It was never intended to have Wii controls at all, it was just something they tacked on later.

Both games were never designed with motion controls in mind. They were just added to tie into the whole Wii motion part of the console.Jaysonguy

Not when the game was designed and built for the previous gen's hardware.Jaysonguy

Well, which is it then? You entered this thread asserting that there is no Zelda on Wii because none have been built with "motion controls in mind". Now you're saying there's no Zelda on Wii because it wasn't built with the Wii's hardware in mind. Does a platform have a game when said game is built around the platform's control scheme or its hardware?

And what of a console like the Wii which really doesn't provide much of a significant step up from the GameCube in terms of hardware capabilities - can the distinction even be made about whether it was built for the GameCube or Wii?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Both games were never designed with motion controls in mind. They were just added to tie into the whole Wii motion part of the console.clicketyclick

Not when the game was designed and built for the previous gen's hardware.Jaysonguy

Well, which is it then? You entered this thread asserting that there is no Zelda on Wii because none have been built with "motion controls in mind". Now you're saying there's no Zelda on Wii because it wasn't built with the Wii's hardware in mind. Does a platform have a game when said game is built around the platform's control scheme or its hardware?

And what of a console like the Wii which really doesn't provide much of a significant step up from the GameCube in terms of hardware capabilities - can the distinction even be made about whether it was built for the GameCube or Wii?

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Both games were never designed with motion controls in mind. They were just added to tie into the whole Wii motion part of the console.Jaysonguy

Not when the game was designed and built for the previous gen's hardware.Jaysonguy

Well, which is it then? You entered this thread asserting that there is no Zelda on Wii because none have been built with "motion controls in mind". Now you're saying there's no Zelda on Wii because it wasn't built with the Wii's hardware in mind. Does a platform have a game when said game is built around the platform's control scheme or its hardware?

And what of a console like the Wii which really doesn't provide much of a significant step up from the GameCube in terms of hardware capabilities - can the distinction even be made about whether it was built for the GameCube or Wii?

I'm not thinking that it was made for the Wii. I'm just saying that, because there is so little to distinguish between the Wii's and the GC's hardware capabilities, there is also little to distinguish between a game built for GC and one built for Wii in terms of how they use the hardware, and certainly not enough of a distinction to support your conclusion that it downright isn't a Wii game at all.

Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?Jaysonguy

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?alphamale1989

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

[QUOTE="alphamale1989"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?alexh_99

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

...RE4 is a wii game...

[QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="alphamale1989"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?garrett_duffman

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

...RE4 is a wii game...

its a port from PS2.

I meant a game that was made for the wii.

RE4 is like TP, they were made for another console, and then were ported to the wii with added on controls. There for they are not games made ground up for the wii. This is what Jaysonguy is saying. the next zelda game will have motion controls made for the wii, and not tacked on controls. This is what they might mean by all new zelda

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="alphamale1989"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?alexh_99

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

...RE4 is a wii game...

its a port from PS2.

I meant a game that was made for the wii.

RE4 is like TP, they were made for another console, and then were ported to the wii with added on controls. There for they are not games made ground up for the wii. This is what Jaysonguy is saying. the next zelda game will have motion controls made for the wii, and not tacked on controls. This is what they might mean by all new zelda

... no, its a gamecube game. it has the GC RE4's upped graphics, mixed with the PS2's added features, its a wii game.

So Oblivion isn't an XBOX or PS3 game, it's a PC Game.. I see where you're going. That makes all multiplatform games fall into some abyss where they're not really games on either console, just floating in the void of nothingness? ok..

As for the actual topic. I took that statement to mean that the Zelda franchise would undergo a major redesign on consoles. The formula for temples and puzzles would be changed around, some of the gameplay aspects would be revolutionised, I don't think it just meant add motion controls either. Most of the complainers target the fact that Zelda games are now too easy because they re-use the same puzzle strategies over and over, I think that will change.

So Oblivion isn't an XBOX or PS3 game, it's a PC Game.. I see where you're going. That makes all multiplatform games fall into some abyss where they're not really games on either console, just floating in the void of nothingness? ok..

As for the actual topic. I took that statement to mean that the Zelda franchise would undergo a major redesign on consoles. The formula for temples and puzzles would be changed around, some of the gameplay aspects would be revolutionised, I don't think it just meant add motion controls either. Most of the complainers target the fact that Zelda games are now too easy because they re-use the same puzzle strategies over and over, I think that will change.

SolemnJedi79

Were talking about ports from different generations of consoles, not multiplats.

Also at Garret_Duffan, whats the difference between The PS2 version of Re4, and the wii version besides the controls and graphics?

[QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="alphamale1989"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Well the Wii doesn't have a Zelda yet Maybe they think that this will be the first Zelda with motion hardware?garrett_duffman

Your being way to "black and white" (per usual). It is a wii game, just not built from the ground up. Even some of Galaxy began on the cube. You would call that a wii game, right?

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

...RE4 is a wii game...

its a port from PS2.

I meant a game that was made for the wii.

RE4 is like TP, they were made for another console, and then were ported to the wii with added on controls. There for they are not games made ground up for the wii. This is what Jaysonguy is saying. the next zelda game will have motion controls made for the wii, and not tacked on controls. This is what they might mean by all new zelda

... no, its a gamecube game. it has the GC RE4's upped graphics, mixed with the PS2's added features, its a wii game.

Also: many publications gave it "wii game of the year". others gave it "game of the year" and went on to describe the wii version.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"]

No, because Galaxy was never on the cube.

So your saying with your logic RE4 is a wii game?

alphamale1989

...RE4 is a wii game...

its a port from PS2.

I meant a game that was made for the wii.

RE4 is like TP, they were made for another console, and then were ported to the wii with added on controls. There for they are not games made ground up for the wii. This is what Jaysonguy is saying. the next zelda game will have motion controls made for the wii, and not tacked on controls. This is what they might mean by all new zelda

... no, its a gamecube game. it has the GC RE4's upped graphics, mixed with the PS2's added features, its a wii game.

Also: many publications gave it "wii game of the year". others gave it "game of the year" and went on to describe the wii version.

We are saying, the next game will be new because it will use the controls fully, unlike TP, because TP, was just the GC version with tacked on controls.

[QUOTE="SolemnJedi79"]

So Oblivion isn't an XBOX or PS3 game, it's a PC Game.. I see where you're going. That makes all multiplatform games fall into some abyss where they're not really games on either console, just floating in the void of nothingness? ok..

As for the actual topic. I took that statement to mean that the Zelda franchise would undergo a major redesign on consoles. The formula for temples and puzzles would be changed around, some of the gameplay aspects would be revolutionised, I don't think it just meant add motion controls either. Most of the complainers target the fact that Zelda games are now too easy because they re-use the same puzzle strategies over and over, I think that will change.

alexh_99

Were talking about ports from different generations of consoles, not multiplats.

The principle applies, and it's the very reason why I said this to Jaysonguy:

i mean come on its kinda demeaning to say that tp shows the true capabilities of the wii or that TP was specificaly made for the wii. painguy1

No-one is saying that.

I agree with jasonguy. TP rly didnt take advantage of wii hardware. it was basically a port ...tp doesnt rly qualify as a wii game in my opinionpainguy1

If it wasn't a Wii game, then what was it a port to? A port from GC to... to... well, it can't be Wii since it isn't a Wii game!

you guys have too much time on your hands...

"TP is a wii game"

"No no no...it's a GC game"

"Oh yeah? RE4 is a PS2 game"

lol

(i'm also wondering why jaysonguy is still lurking on the wii forums, since he swore not to buy any new wii games anymore, why bother right? is it so he can spread more hate posts/complains for no reason at all?)

you guys have too much time on your hands...

"TP is a wii game"

"No no no...it's a GC game"

"Oh yeah? RE4 is a PS2 game"

lol

(i'm also wondering why jaysonguy is still lurking on the wii forums, since he swore not to buy any new wii games anymore, why bother right? is it so he can spread more hate posts/complains for no reason at all?)

nomadph

... yes. thats exactly why

I think he had no no idea what he was talking about when he said that TP was the last Zelda of its kind. He was just saying they'll have to make some major changes.

But in reality, these major changes will be very minute.

What if TP on GC was a Wii game with tacked on GC controls? :shock:

What if TP on GC was a Wii game with tacked on GC controls? :shock:

Mike1978Smith

thats a bad comparison

and obviously some of the plot stuff like sword would be different

games are in different time periods

What if TP on GC was a Wii game with tacked on GC controls? :shock:

Mike1978Smith

I agree with jasonguy.TP rly didnt take advantage of wii hardware. it was basically a port. i mean come on its kinda demeaning to say that tp shows the true capabilities of the wii or that TP was specificaly made for the wii. tp doesnt rly qualify as a wii game in my opinionpainguy1

By that logic, games like Geometry Wars: Galaxies aren't really wii games because they don't take advantage of the wii's hardware.

TP is a wii game. It was released before the gamecube version. It doesn't matter what it began development as; it's the final product that matters. It's like how Star Fox Adventures is a star fox game, even though it started as another game.

[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]

What if TP on GC was a Wii game with tacked on GC controls? :shock:

Wild_Card

Too Human was being developed long before the 360. I guess xbots can relax now, cuz their console didn't actually get a flop of an exclusive game. The PSX did! :P

By that logic, games like Geometry Wars: Galaxies aren't really wii games because they don't take advantage of the wii's hardware.

AdRock92

What do you mean, "by that logic"? If there's one thing that those who insist that these games aren't wii games can't be accused of, it's having logic in their argument. ;)

[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"]

What if TP on GC was a Wii game with tacked on GC controls? :shock:

Wild_Card

you dont know how long the wii has been around before it was announced