Uh-oh... (IGN's review of Sonic and the Black Knight)

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#101 Pikminmaniac
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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"]Is anyone really surprised? Sega has been making bad game after bad game for nearly a decade and yet they still sell. What reason do they have to make a good Sonic game?tktomo01
Nope, Sonic will suck until the end of time

Not True. Both Sonic Rush games are among the most well designed and hardcore DS games ever made. It's the Console Sonic games that tend to blow it.

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#102 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I can't say I trust this review. IGN just has this hatred of Sonic that I don't really understand. Okay, I kind of understand it. There are some real sonic stinkers out there. But Matt seems to go into a lot of games with a predetermined score in mind. His Wii Music review, for example. There are just some games that IGN doesn't give a fair, unbiased chance. I think this is one I'll have to rent and maybe look at some player reviews. Those are pretty much always more reliable.

I think the problem with Sonic these days is that Sega seems to think that they have to smack a deep plot on these games. Sonic is a blue hedgehog that can run really fast. There's really no reason to try to give it a story is there? Mario platformers are all brilliant because it focuses on gameplay rather than story and gimmicks. Donkey Kong is the same way. Plus, all the Sonic characters are really annoying. They're all self indulgent jerks. Why would you want a story centralized around such mindless characters? Sorry, I like Sonic, I just don't like all the little side characters and silly plot that goes along with it.

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Sonic games are terrible because the developers put out half assed mess of a games on the shelf. and mindless consumers scarf them up like gold on a stick. A as a developer why would they put out a quality product when **** will sell just a well? Blame the consumer for the state of the Sonic franchise

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#103 KudoS17
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Wow wasn't expecting it to score that low oh well i'm still renting it

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#104 doomsoth
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Seriously? Were people thinking that Sonic in 3D was going to change? Sega sucks now and they haven't brought out a good game in a long time. I was looking forward to the Aliens games, but they canceled the only possible good games that would have come out of them this generation. They are a complete failure. I'm sorry, but I use to love Sega and they have gone so far down hill. Their only hope now is just to sell all of their licenses to better developers/publishers.
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#105 sicteliko
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I can't say I'm surprised. I've been skeptical since the moment I saw the first screenshots. It really is a shame though, Sonic needs a good new game. A 3.9 is very low though....
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#106 g1rldraco7
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the reasons why certain games get bad grades is because most of the critics are hardcore gamers. Since they couldn't get a rush from playing it, they have to ruin it for everyone who either bought or rented the game
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#107 dylanmcc
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Does that pretty much make Sonic dead now?

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#108 sicteliko
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Does that pretty much make Sonic dead now?

dylanmcc

:shock: He was still alive?!?

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#109 King-gamer
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For me, this wasn't a disappointment, because I expected failure anyway. I just didn't think IGN would give such a low score because IGN is usually quite generous, 3.9??? Didn't expect the game to fail so much, I guess I overestimated the game.

Does that pretty much make Sonic dead now?

dylanmcc
No, as long as there are people who still buys his extremely horrible games, Sonic won't die.
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#110 Hayabusa-Chaff
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Who cares what the losers at IGN say, there a bunch of idiots who write pointless and dumb articles and either underate or overate their games with bad reviews. Thats why i joined gamespot, and its great so far.

TO IGN: good riddance

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#111 Pices
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They miscalculated, if you do the math, you'll get 6.1
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#112 starfox15
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How did nobody see this coming? Was anybody honestly surprised by this? Really?

I'm not saying im some amazing game review seer, but I knew this was garbage the moment I saw it.

It's Sonic (Mild Alarm) with a sword in the dark ages (Avoid like a sickness).

Sonic isn't coming back people. He's done.

To put this in sad perspective, if they made an adequate 2D or 2D on 3D Sonic game akin to his first 3 outings, he'd sell a million copies in a week. I know I'd buy a copy.

Yes, I know they put a few copies like this on DS. I want one for the consoles. They need some love.

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#113 Stephleref
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How did nobody see this coming? Was anybody honestly surprised by this? Really?starfox15

Ok every 5 seconds there is smart-ass entering this thread to say something like this.

Yes we expected the game to be bad and get a low score from IGN but No we never expected something like a 3.9 and YOU DIDNT EXPECT A 3.9 EITHER! SO YOU CAN STOP PRETENDING YOU DID.

Alright,we're good? thanks.

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#114 starfox15
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You're right. I couldn't have possibly fathomed something so low. From a developer that hasn't made a decent console Sonic game in over a decade. Point taken. I've been pwned.

Out of curiosity, what were YOU expecting? A return to form from an old developer who has lost everyone who really cared in the first place?

Sonic is a footnote in the history of fantastic video games. Just let him die already.

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#115 starfox15
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[QUOTE="DaLegendKilla92"] By the Way....................... WHEN HAS SONIC EVER BEEN ABOUT FULL BLOWN SPEED?TAKE_IT_BACK
Exactly! Everyone has this weird idea that old Sonic games were focused on speed, when in reality going fast usually just got you killed.

Sonic 1

Sonic 2

Sonic 3

Sonic and Knuckles

and to a much lesser extent: Sonic R.

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#116 Stephleref
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From a developer that hasn't made a decent console Sonic game in over a decade. Point taken. I've been pwned.starfox15

Indeed because the last Sonic game got a 7.2 and Secret Rings got a 6.9.

Like i said i did expect this to be bad but not "Imagine: Babyz" kind of bad.

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#117 Litchie
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Weird. A new Sonic game that sucks. Who would've thunk? Let's hype the next one! Right, Sonic fans?

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#118 nelfer320
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Chojuto"] You're playing Sonic Rush while you're at home and could be playing Secret Rings instead? Why don't you just save Sonic Rush for on the go and play Secret Rings at home?Chojuto
secret rings DESERVES to be ignored. it is a bastardization of a good series and deserves to live in the basement, locked away, eating our food scraps after we've finished out dinners.

Have you even played the game for more than 5 minutes? There are even some reviewers who said the game was good! And you guys were always asking for a Sonic game with no gimmicks and Secret Rings is IT! It has no freaking gimmicks!

REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS
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#119 Erebyssial
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[QUOTE="Chojuto"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] secret rings DESERVES to be ignored. it is a bastardization of a good series and deserves to live in the basement, locked away, eating our food scraps after we've finished out dinners. nelfer320
Have you even played the game for more than 5 minutes? There are even some reviewers who said the game was good! And you guys were always asking for a Sonic game with no gimmicks and Secret Rings is IT! It has no freaking gimmicks!

REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

If they gave the game a 10.0, you wouldn't be saying that. Yes, reviews are opinions but giving a 3.9 is basically saying it sucks. And it's been said before, the same reviewer gave Secret Rings and Unleashed decent scores so can we stop with the "IGN hates Sonic :cry:" argument..

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#120 starfox15
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Let's say, just for kicks, that the guys at Nintendo, a little over 12 years ago, decided to make Mario 64. They didn't put any effort into the camera, they added unnecessary elements both storyline and gameplay wise, that added nothing to the game, and they rushed it out the door as fast as possible to slug it out with competitors. The game was considered "decent" by most people, but it didn't add anything, and was overshadowed by Sonic Adventure which just launched with the Sega Saturn. A truly revolutionary title that pushed the boundaries of 3D gameplay and placed standards that have yet to be improved with modern technology.

Now, a year later, everybody who had faith in Nintendo and Mario that was involved with it from the beginning leaves Nintendo and heads to a different developer or retires.

Nintendo comes up with the Gamecube and makes mostly mediocre 1st party titles and relies on its name and small 3rd party support to garner a profit.

In it's twilight, Nintendo gives up the console race and becomes a devoted developer and sells its games to the current competition, Sega, Sony, and to a smaller portion, Xbox.

Mario is sold out for every gimmick in the game, adding guns, swords, strange and unnecessary comrades, and the kitchen sink.

Through all of this there is still an idiotic following of diehards that have been supporting Mario since his early years, and a group of younger people who don't know any better that still push Mario's titles towards the magical 500k copies sold mark, hoping in vain for that lost gem that's coming their way.

Thank whatever video game gods there are that this DID NOT HAPPEN. This is a generalized outlook of a mirror negative outcome happening to Nintendo instead of Sega. Not every Mario game that comes out is gold. That's outrageous. Many Mario titles are made by third party developers and sold by Nintendo that don't have a shred of ingenuity or fun involved. The first party Mario titles are the ones everyone wants. They have been a constant source of light for the Nintendo followers.

Somewhere along the line, Sega lost its heart.

There. That's it. I'm done. No more justifying what I've said. I can't do it anymore.

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#121 Stephleref
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REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTSnelfer320

I guess Anubis II is not terrible,it's only opinion.

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#122 Nomad0404
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Ok so Famitsu gave Sonic and the Black Knight  7,6,7,6(26/40)

It you do a litteral calculation of that, it's 6.5 which is much closer to what I expected.

I also trust Famitsu more than IGN.

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#123 umcommon
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A lot of those complaints are kind of stupid. Waggle motion is in many good Wii games (Galaxy and Twilight Princess), did they really expect Sonic to have a lot of speed in this game... you can tell that the devs simply didn't want to go with a racing platformer (like Unleashed). I'd honestly rather play a Sonic platformer that moves a bit slower and allows me to explore a bit. It seems that they're bashing this game just because they didn't like the idea of it, a bit unfair.
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#124 pmpmn11
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Wow don't buy this game, and support terrible developers. Thats a really funny review though. Hopefully madworld will be good.

actually terrible is a harsh word , they used to make good games.

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#125 Pices
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You people should not take an opinion from 1 source (IGN), you should see what the game got AVERAGE-WISE. For example, search for a game in Wikipedia, and go it's "reception" section. It'll display big names (like Gamespot, Eurogamer etc) and their reviews. If the majority of the scores are positive, then its a good game. So far, we've got 1 negative review and 2 positive ones.
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#126 Head_of_games
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You people should not take an opinion from 1 source (IGN), you should see what the game got AVERAGE-WISE. For example, search for a game in Wikipedia, and go it's "reception" section. It'll display big names (like Gamespot, Eurogamer etc) and their reviews. If the majority of the scores are positive, then its a good game. So far, we've got 1 negative review and 2 positive ones.Pices
2?
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#127 livinitup01
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hmm thats a shame, but most of us saw it coming, sorry sonic maybe next time.

Gohansephiroth

Yeah. Honestly though, I became a Sonic fan since Sonic the Hedgehog 2 back in the day. I didn't play Sonic again until Sonic Adventure some 5 years later. I loved it!! The last great Sonic game for me was Sonic Adventure 2. All the other ones just seemed rushed and they didn't check certain areas for bugs or slowed down frame rates or non-continuity (Like in Sonic the Hedgehog 360). Maybe 2D is just their strong point. Nothing will ever replace Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 for me though.

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#128 Pices
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[QUOTE="Pices"]You people should not take an opinion from 1 source (IGN), you should see what the game got AVERAGE-WISE. For example, search for a game in Wikipedia, and go it's "reception" section. It'll display big names (like Gamespot, Eurogamer etc) and their reviews. If the majority of the scores are positive, then its a good game. So far, we've got 1 negative review and 2 positive ones.Head_of_games
2?

Ya, Famitsu and Nintendo Power. Hopefully the number of positive ones increase......
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#129 MKID232
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I cannot believe this. You guys complain easily because "Sonic" is in the title. Most Sonic games this day and age are actually pretty good IMO, but you can go right ahead and buy something else. Personally I enjoyed Sonic 2006, despite the princess having serious love issues, and Silver was my favorite character(Despite what anyone says.) It is all a matter of opinion, and I don't care about opinions. Unless the game(Not Black Knight) is a glitched up mess that renders it unplayable, then it stays as far away from me as possible.
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#130 pmpmn11
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there are so many better games out there, why even bother with this one. You guys are reaching, on a sub par game.

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#131 J_Ford
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It doesn't really matter what score it gets, I'm still buying it. Every other Sonic game on the Wii so far has been really fun, I don't see this one being any different.

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#132 07pops07
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It doesn't really matter what score it gets, I'm still buying it. Every other Sonic game on the Wii so far has been really fun, I don't see this one being any different.

J_Ford

its peole like this that are suporting these bad games why not buy a game you will enjoy instead of oh look it has sonic on the cover 49.99$ who cares

what i find funny is you guys are saying ign is biased at sonic games but you haven't even played this stop hating ign for there personal opinion on a game. you guys are mad because it got 3.9 and your saying on i didn't expect that low well your basing it off screen shots and some trailers..game spot gave tenchu shadow assassins a pretty low score no one complains about that because its a opinion.

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#133 J_Ford
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[QUOTE="J_Ford"]

It doesn't really matter what score it gets, I'm still buying it. Every other Sonic game on the Wii so far has been really fun, I don't see this one being any different.

07pops07

its peole like this that are suporting these bad games why not buy a game you will enjoy instead of oh look it has sonic on the cover 49.99$ who cares

what i find funny is you guys are saying ign is biased at sonic games but you haven't even played this stop hating ign for there personal opinion on a game. you guys are mad because it got 3.9 and your saying on i didn't expect that low well your basing it off screen shots and some trailers..game spot gave tenchu shadow assassins a pretty low score no one complains about that because its a opinion.

What do you mean exactly, "people like this"? I don't support bad games, I support games and franchises that I like and enjoy. Who are you to say my choices are bad?

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#134 helium_flash
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Holy crap a 3.9?? Was it THAT bad?

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#135 Pices
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People don't seem to get this at all.....read my earlier post to know what I'm talking about.
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#136 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Pices"]You people should not take an opinion from 1 source (IGN), you should see what the game got AVERAGE-WISE. For example, search for a game in Wikipedia, and go it's "reception" section. It'll display big names (like Gamespot, Eurogamer etc) and their reviews. If the majority of the scores are positive, then its a good game. So far, we've got 1 negative review and 2 positive ones.Pices
2?

Ya, Famitsu and Nintendo Power. Hopefully the number of positive ones increase......

famistu gave it a 26/40 :? that's less than unleash

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#137 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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They miscalculated, if you do the math, you'll get 6.1Pices

IGN doesn't average the individual scores they give to each game.

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#138 nelfer320
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If they gave the game a 10.0, you wouldn't be saying that. Yes, reviews are opinions but giving a 3.9 is basically saying it sucks. And it's been said before, the same reviewer gave Secret Rings and Unleashed decent scores so can we stop with the "IGN hates Sonic argument..Chojuto
No. There r people who would enjoy a game that got a 3 or a 10. It doesn't matter. I'm playing the game now and personally, its not THAT bad. more like a 6 for me. See I have an opinion as well. Everyone does. Games like GTA IV got a 10 but is it a FACT that its a perfect game? No. That game too has flaws and there r people who don't like those kind of games at all.
[QUOTE="nelfer320"]REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTSStephleref
I guess Anubis II is not terrible,it's only opinion.

If u think its terrible then yes. Its an opinion. U don't like it but there r people who do. REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS
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#139 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="nelfer320"][QUOTE="Chojuto"] No. There r people who would enjoy a game that got a 3 or a 10. It doesn't matter. I'm playing the game now and personally, its not THAT bad. more like a 6 for me. See I have an opinion as well. Everyone does. Games like GTA IV got a 10 but is it a FACT that its a perfect game? No. That game too has flaws and there r people who don't like those kind of games at all.
[QUOTE="nelfer320"]REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTSStephleref
I guess Anubis II is not terrible,it's only opinion.

If u think its terrible then yes. Its an opinion. U don't like it but there r people who do. REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

GS's 10 ratings now don't mean "perfect"
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#140 nelfer320
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[QUOTE="nelfer320"][QUOTE="Chojuto"]I guess Anubis II is not terrible,it's only opinion.Sonick54
If u think its terrible then yes. Its an opinion. U don't like it but there r people who do. REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

GS's 10 ratings now don't mean "perfect"

Ratings don't mean anything period except an opinion! When will anyone understand what I mean!? REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS
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#141 garrett_duffman
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[QUOTE="nelfer320"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="nelfer320"] If u think its terrible then yes. Its an opinion. U don't like it but there r people who do. REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

GS's 10 ratings now don't mean "perfect"

Ratings don't mean anything period except an opinion! When will anyone understand what I mean!? REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

saying they dont mean anything is far from correct. reviews are supposed to sway/warn people from buying games, due to flaws/good things about the game. a review CAN be opinion, but they contain facts inside of it. you dont seem to have much of a grasp on how reviews actually work, do you?
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#142 ramboturd72
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I can't say I'm surprised. Sonic has been plagued by a chain of horrible games for years now, so I didn't see this game breaking that pattern.

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#143 deactivated-5b2b34c3a42a1
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What did anyone expect? Nintendo Power generally has very bad reviews, just look at the 9.5 they gave Fire Emblem on the Wii.

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#144 _LiquidFlame_
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I saw this coming, good thing I didn't preorder or anything.

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#146 nelfer320
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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="nelfer320"][QUOTE="Sonick54"] Ratings don't mean anything period except an opinion! When will anyone understand what I mean!? REVIEWS = OPINIONS OPINIONS =/= FACTS

saying they dont mean anything is far from correct. reviews are supposed to sway/warn people from buying games, due to flaws/good things about the game. a review CAN be opinion, but they contain facts inside of it. you dont seem to have much of a grasp on how reviews actually work, do you?

Yes I do. I just don't read or listen to them. I play whatever game I feel like playing.

I saw this coming, good thing I didn't preorder or anything.

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I did. It was worth it for me.
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#147 -Oath
Member since 2008 • 8014 Posts

It may be a garbage game overall but it sure did look good.

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#148 snipe12388
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"Sonic Team included a robust online leader board ranking system, accessed through Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, in which players can compete against each others times and scores. There's even a treasury mode that holds upward of 100 items that can be traded online with your favorite Sonic-loving pals -- of course, you'll need to swap friend codes first. And there's also a full-blown gallery that features dozens of unlockable character bios, movies, and illustrations, both from development team members and franchise devotees. Black Knight is overrun with welcomed fan service that diehards will undoubtedly appreciate. " No lasting appeal huh?DaLegendKilla92

Lasting Appeal is different than replayability. I can play Call of Duty, and play the online infinitely, but the lasting appeal will wear thin considering you do roughly the same thing each round.

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#149 Chojuto
Member since 2007 • 2914 Posts

[QUOTE="J_Ford"]

It doesn't really matter what score it gets, I'm still buying it. Every other Sonic game on the Wii so far has been really fun, I don't see this one being any different.

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its peole like this that are suporting these bad games why not buy a game you will enjoy instead of oh look it has sonic on the cover 49.99$ who cares

Just because YOU didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it's a bad game. In fact, PLENTY of reviewers enjoyed Sonic and the Secret Rings. I honestly think that any reviewer who gave Sonic and the Secret Rings under a 70 weren't playing the game properly. And it's people like YOU who're not giving Secret Rings the credit it deserves.

*Oh and on page 7 I noticed that I've been misquoted a few times, as in my name appears on quotes that weren't said by me >.>

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#150 sman3579
Member since 2008 • 21174 Posts

WOW! Thats a terrible score.