What if the Wii was...

I am not trying to beat a dead horse here, but what if you had the option to pay $100 more on the Wii for better graphics, online and more, would you have done it? Personally I would have much preffered this. Hell I payed $380 for my Wii anyway, frikkin shortages :( lol.

You mean to have the same games but just better graphics? Nah. They look fine as they are honestly. I still play last gen games just as often as Wii, PS3 and 360. Last gen does not look bad to me, and current gen graphics are just a bonus. Not worth an extra $100, not even close.

Nintendo would be dead by nowJuarN18

That wasn't the question. I am asking YOU, not if the mass consumer would buy it.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]Nintendo would be dead by nowNaveedLife

That wasn't the question. I am asking YOU, not if the mass consumer would buy it.

Nintendo would be dead by nowJuarN18

Exagerrating much?

So what if Nintendo wouldn't have made as much as they would with the Wii. The games on the Wii are lack luster because of weak hardware and poor priority.

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[QUOTE="JuarN18"]Nintendo would be dead by nowJuarN18

That wasn't the question. I am asking YOU, not if the mass consumer would buy it.

Cause I really enjoyed wii fit, wii play, wii music, and more ;). lol in all seriousness I am purely talking about your money and what you are getting. Do not take into account the marketing and business aspect.

Do not take into account the marketing and business aspect.

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]Do not take into account the marketing and business aspect.

JuarN18

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]Do not take into account the marketing and business aspect.

JuarN18

The Wii has problems with third party support even now, so what makes you think a more powerful Wii won't have any support or less than it does now?

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]Do not take into account the marketing and business aspect.

lazyathew

From the release price of $250, I would have been willing to pay an extra $50 for better online, as long as it was free. I don't care about the graphics, but the online component to the Wii is, for the most part, garbage.

As long as it still had the games, hell yeah!

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]Nintendo would be dead by nowRECON64bit

Exagerrating much?

So what if Nintendo wouldn't have made as much as they would with the Wii. The games on the Wii are lack luster because of weak hardware and poor priority.

Which is why the Wii has more good scoring exclusives than any other platform? Go ahead on over to system wars, the list is over there, even the trolls in SW acknowledge it :P

No. I want a new Wii, or whatever Nintendo's next console will be named, not a Wii 1.5.

No. I want a new Wii, or whatever Nintendo's next console will be named, not a Wii 1.5.

TehOverkill

I meant at the time of buying a Wii would you have paid $100 more...not $100 more right now for an upgrade :P.

no, fakeboy.

that depends, would we also get lots of crappy FPS and JRPGs? Because i think the wii has enough shovelware already.

As long as it still had the games, hell yeah!

Wii4Fun

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

As long as it still had the games, hell yeah!

locopatho

Gameplay is a term used to describe the interactive aspects of game design. An alternative name for gameplay that is finding favor with academics is game mechanics. However, it can be argued that gameplay and game mechanics are different concepts.

Gameplay is what distinguishes a game from a non-interactive medium such as a book or film through the interaction with the game by the player. Often the game designer will seek to provide challenges for players through the design of game mechanics that it is hoped to be found entertaining by the player.

Arising alongside video game development in the 1980s, gameplay was used solely within the context of video or computer games, though now its popularity has begun to see use in the description of other, more traditional, game forms.

Generally, the term gameplay in video game terminology is used to describe the overall experience of playing the game excluding factors like graphics and sound. Game mechanics refers to sets of rules in a game that are intended to produce an enjoyable gaming experience. Often academic discussions tend to favor terms like game mechanics specifically to avoid 'gameplay'.

It'd depend what kind of games came out for the console. I would absolutely pay extra for stronger online support, but only if developers took advantage of it.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

As long as it still had the games, hell yeah!

Wii4Fun

Gameplay is a term used to describe the interactive aspects of game design. An alternative name for gameplay that is finding favor with academics is game mechanics. However, it can be argued that gameplay and game mechanics are different concepts.

Gameplay is what distinguishes a game from a non-interactive medium such as a book or film through the interaction with the game by the player. Often the game designer will seek to provide challenges for players through the design of game mechanics that it is hoped to be found entertaining by the player.

Arising alongside video game development in the 1980s, gameplay was used solely within the context of video or computer games, though now its popularity has begun to see use in the description of other, more traditional, game forms.

Generally, the term gameplay in video game terminology is used to describe the overall experience of playing the game excluding factors like graphics and sound. Game mechanics refers to sets of rules in a game that are intended to produce an enjoyable gaming experience. Often academic discussions tend to favor terms like game mechanics specifically to avoid 'gameplay'.

Hmmm let me see, shovelware and some great gems in HD.... eh NO. Its not worth it

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[QUOTE="locopatho"] AI and physics are a apart of gameplay, surely? And graphics too to be honest...locopatho

Gameplay is a term used to describe the interactive aspects of game design. An alternative name for gameplay that is finding favor with academics is game mechanics. However, it can be argued that gameplay and game mechanics are different concepts.

Gameplay is what distinguishes a game from a non-interactive medium such as a book or film through the interaction with the game by the player. Often the game designer will seek to provide challenges for players through the design of game mechanics that it is hoped to be found entertaining by the player.

Arising alongside video game development in the 1980s, gameplay was used solely within the context of video or computer games, though now its popularity has begun to see use in the description of other, more traditional, game forms.

Generally, the term gameplay in video game terminology is used to describe the overall experience of playing the game excluding factors like graphics and sound. Game mechanics refers to sets of rules in a game that are intended to produce an enjoyable gaming experience. Often academic discussions tend to favor terms like game mechanics specifically to avoid 'gameplay'.

Point is gameplay is the building block of it all. Those are things that enhance the gameplay. :x

Point is gameplay is the building block of it all. Those are things that enhance the gameplay. :x

Wii4Fun

No, forget paying extra. The Wii should have had (at least some of) that stuff already for the price I bought it for, 250 euros.locopatho

lol yeah it should have been a bit better, but we know Nintendo likes to make a profit, so with $100 more I think it could have been something similar to PS3 and 360 in terms of tech and features.

no, fakeboy.

KBFloYd

I am confused by this post....hmmm trying to understand what you mean by fakeboy :P.

Ha, yeah I have access to Wikipedia too. You can't really seperate physics and AI from gameplay is what I'm saying. locopatho

Of course you can. D&D and White Wolf games have different gameplay mechanics and, by definition, none of those have graphics, physics or AI because they are pen and paper RPGs. You could also say the same thing about Risk and Axis and Allies, or Diplomacy and the Civilization board game.

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Ha, yeah I have access to Wikipedia too. You can't really seperate physics and AI from gameplay is what I'm saying. LordQuorthon

Of course you can. D&D and White Wolf games have different gameplay mechanics and, by definition, none of those have graphics, physics or AI because they are pen and paper RPGs. You could also say the same thing about Risk and Axis and Allies, or Diplomacy and the Civilization board game.

Yeah, I think I would pay more for a Nintendo system with those additions. Nintendo made glaring mistakes with the Wii's graphics and online features (with the exception of Virtual Console, although that could use more games, particularly for the N64).

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

no, fakeboy.

NaveedLife

I am confused by this post....hmmm trying to understand what you mean by fakeboy :P.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

no, fakeboy.

meetroid8

I am confused by this post....hmmm trying to understand what you mean by fakeboy :P.

Haha I see. Well Skyward Sword is easily one of my most anticipated titles, so that is not the case :P. I really wish Nintendo would give us more info! :evil:

Anyway, back on topic lol. IMO I just feel the Wii was a compromise for the audience that isnt really into the deeper titles like Metroid, which was smart from a business standpoint, but I would certainly have paid more to have the better graphics, online, and more. That said I am happy the system is durable and backwards compatible :).

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Ha, yeah I have access to Wikipedia too. You can't really seperate physics and AI from gameplay is what I'm saying. LordQuorthon

Of course you can. D&D and White Wolf games have different gameplay mechanics and, by definition, none of those have graphics, physics or AI because they are pen and paper RPGs. You could also say the same thing about Risk and Axis and Allies, or Diplomacy and the Civilization board game.

This is a VIDEO GAMES website, not roleplaying or board games or card games. locopatho

Gameplay is a fairly broad term, champ. Games have gameplay, regardless of the lack of electronic components. They always have. Back in the day, when TEH GRAPHX were not that good and video games required the player to use his/her imagination, they had big, colorful manuals that complemented the experience and were as important as the software itself. And those games had gameplay. Some of them had better gameplay than others, but the gameplay was still there.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

Gameplay is a term used to describe the interactive aspects of game design. An alternative name for gameplay that is finding favor with academics is game mechanics. However, it can be argued that gameplay and game mechanics are different concepts.

Gameplay is what distinguishes a game from a non-interactive medium such as a book or film through the interaction with the game by the player. Often the game designer will seek to provide challenges for players through the design of game mechanics that it is hoped to be found entertaining by the player.

Arising alongside video game development in the 1980s, gameplay was used solely within the context of video or computer games, though now its popularity has begun to see use in the description of other, more traditional, game forms.

Generally, the term gameplay in video game terminology is used to describe the overall experience of playing the game excluding factors like graphics and sound. Game mechanics refers to sets of rules in a game that are intended to produce an enjoyable gaming experience. Often academic discussions tend to favor terms like game mechanics specifically to avoid 'gameplay'.

Wii4Fun

Point is gameplay is the building block of it all. Those are things that enhance the gameplay. :x

Are you being serious? Without Ai or physics there wouldn't be "gameplay". If you removed physics and ai from a game, it wouldn't be a game anymore. Nomore jumping, no more moving, no more block stacking, no more any type of game. You can't even make a game without physics or ai, and graphics.

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Ha, yeah I have access to Wikipedia too. You can't really seperate physics and AI from gameplay is what I'm saying. Like how in a modern FPS game such as Halo, a destroyed vehicle won't just disappear/be replaced with a wreck like in an older game, instead it will deform into different parts of debris and fly away in different directions. These pieces can go at different speeds, ricochet, damage/kill other players, or knock over other stuff such as crates and turrets. That's physics as a core part of gameplay. Even the momentum of Mario running in NES games is physics like... And of course how enemies react to the player, whether a Goomba following a simple back and forth pattern, or cop car relentlessy hounding the player in GTA, has a massive impact and gameplay too. Random aside, it's just your sig jumped out at me :P Jelley0

Point is gameplay is the building block of it all. Those are things that enhance the gameplay. :x

Are you being serious? Without Ai or physics there wouldn't be "gameplay". If you removed physics and ai from a game, it wouldn't be a game anymore. Nomore jumping, no more moving, no more block stacking, no more any type of game. You can't even make a game without physics or ai, and graphics.

There is gameplay and there is game mechanics.

Basic gameplay defines what a game is, while game mechanics determine what the entire game consists of.

However, from a programming or overall design perspective, basic gameplay can be deconstructed further to reveal constituent game mechanics. For example, the basic gameplay of fighting game can be deconstructed to attack and defense, or punch, kick, block, dodge and throw which can be further deconstructed to strong/weak punch/kick. For this reason, game mechanics is more of an engineering concept while gameplay is more of a design concept.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]This is a VIDEO GAMES website, not roleplaying or board games or card games. LordQuorthon

Gameplay is a fairly broad term, champ. Games have gameplay, regardless of the lack of electronic components. They always have. Back in the day, when TEH GRAPHX were not that good and video games required the player to use his/her imagination, they had big, colorful manuals that complemented the experience and were as important as the software itself. And those games had gameplay. Some of them had better gameplay than others, but the gameplay was still there.

[QUOTE="Jelley0"]

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

Point is gameplay is the building block of it all. Those are things that enhance the gameplay. :x

Wii4Fun

Are you being serious? Without Ai or physics there wouldn't be "gameplay". If you removed physics and ai from a game, it wouldn't be a game anymore. Nomore jumping, no more moving, no more block stacking, no more any type of game. You can't even make a game without physics or ai, and graphics.

There is gameplay and there is game mechanics.

Basic gameplay defines what a game is, while game mechanics determine what the entire game consists of.

However, from a programming or overall design perspective, basic gameplay can be deconstructed further to reveal constituent game mechanics. For example, the basic gameplay of fighting game can be deconstructed to attack and defense, or punch, kick, block, dodge and throw which can be further deconstructed to strong/weak punch/kick. For this reason, game mechanics is more of an engineering concept while gameplay is more of a design concept.

Good luck making a design conept or game mechanics without physics or ai or even graphics :roll:

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[QUOTE="Jelley0"]

Are you being serious? Without Ai or physics there wouldn't be "gameplay". If you removed physics and ai from a game, it wouldn't be a game anymore. Nomore jumping, no more moving, no more block stacking, no more any type of game. You can't even make a game without physics or ai, and graphics.

Jelley0

There is gameplay and there is game mechanics.

Basic gameplay defines what a game is, while game mechanics determine what the entire game consists of.

However, from a programming or overall design perspective, basic gameplay can be deconstructed further to reveal constituent game mechanics. For example, the basic gameplay of fighting game can be deconstructed to attack and defense, or punch, kick, block, dodge and throw which can be further deconstructed to strong/weak punch/kick. For this reason, game mechanics is more of an engineering concept while gameplay is more of a design concept.

Good luck making a design conept or game mechanics without physics or ai or even graphics :roll:

It's okay if you can't read and understand. It is a little hard to grasp.

Well pardon me for assuming people would be talking about VIDEO GAMES on a VIDEO GAMES website. When TEH GRAPHIX were not as good and TEH MANUAL was importent, guess what? Games still had AI and physics, even 1985 Mario running and 1980 Pacman ghost enemies are obvious examples.locopatho

Ultima, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest had no physics. Hell, their recent iteration still DON'T have physics.

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]Nintendo would be dead by nowRECON64bit

Exagerrating much?

So what if Nintendo wouldn't have made as much as they would with the Wii. The games on the Wii are lack luster because of weak hardware and poor priority.

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

[QUOTE="Jelley0"]

Are you being serious? Without Ai or physics there wouldn't be "gameplay". If you removed physics and ai from a game, it wouldn't be a game anymore. Nomore jumping, no more moving, no more block stacking, no more any type of game. You can't even make a game without physics or ai, and graphics.

Jelley0

There is gameplay and there is game mechanics.

Basic gameplay defines what a game is, while game mechanics determine what the entire game consists of.

However, from a programming or overall design perspective, basic gameplay can be deconstructed further to reveal constituent game mechanics. For example, the basic gameplay of fighting game can be deconstructed to attack and defense, or punch, kick, block, dodge and throw which can be further deconstructed to strong/weak punch/kick. For this reason, game mechanics is more of an engineering concept while gameplay is more of a design concept.

Good luck making a design conept or game mechanics without physics or ai or even graphics :roll: