What was the best year for the Wii?
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2007 due to 1st party games.
2009 could become very good if coming 3rd party games turn out as good as Madworld and Little Kings Story ( seemingly ) already did.
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]Why is 2007 so great? Jaysonguy
2007 was the last year Nintendo's priority was making new software for the Wii, that's why it was so great
Kind of hard to say a year past that is better when the parent company doesn't want to push it forward
Nintendo has demonstrated that they're not the be-all-and-end-all of Wii gaming. Looking at the quantity of quality titles released in 2008, it easily overwhelms the 2007 releases, no matter how good those first-party titles were. 2008 was the year that third parties stepped up. And in 2009, Nintendo will be releasing some new games finally (Sin and punishment 2, Excitebots, Sports Resort, Punch-Out, Pikmin 3) to add to the increasing quantity of quality 3rd party titles.Why is 2007 so great? 2007: SMG, MP3, Z&W, RE4, SPM, RE:UC, Trauma Center: New Blood, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn... uh... 2008: World of Goo, SSBB, Rock Band 2, Okami, Guitar Hero World Tour, Bomberman Blast, Mega Man 9, de Blob, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing, Boom Blox, all the Strong Bad games, Call of Duty World at War, No More Heroes, Bully, Maboshi, Art Style games, Tetris Party, FFCC: MLaaK, LostWinds, Wario Land, Blast Works, Dokapon Kingdom And 2009 will only get better. ^_^clicketyclick
2007 had by far the best games.
I mean,i read your list of games in 2007 and i see 5 games that would make my Top 10 Wii Games...
Quality > Quantity even if i liked 2008.
is pikmin 3 confirmed for 2009? could you give me a link to ease my tension with nintendo?these_nutsI'll probably be able to give you one on June 4. ;) Honestly though, I can't figure out how people can claim that 2007 was the best year hands down no competition, let alone being the best year. They must be just thinking of one or two titles they really loved, because 2008 had a TON of great games. Would you rather be stranded in the desert with one bottle of pure filtered spring water infused with minerals, or would you rather have a freshwater lake? Because if you actually remember 2007, you'll remember people were so miserable with no good games out and having already beaten the ones released, and many people sold their Wiis, and everyone was wondering whether we were just in for a cavalcade of shovelware, interspersed with a Nintendo title every couple of years.
[QUOTE="these_nuts"]is pikmin 3 confirmed for 2009? could you give me a link to ease my tension with nintendo?clicketyclickI'll probably be able to give you one on June 4. ;) Honestly though, I can't figure out how people can claim that 2007 was the best year hands down no competition, let alone being the best year. They must be just thinking of one or two titles they really loved, because 2008 had a TON of great games. Would you rather be stranded in the desert with one bottle of pure filtered spring water infused with minerals, or would you rather have a freshwater lake? Because if you actually remember 2007, you'll remember people were so miserable with no good games out and having already beaten the ones released, and many people sold their Wiis, and everyone was wondering whether we were just in for a cavalcade of shovelware, interspersed with a Nintendo title every couple of years.Let's see here. I own:
-World of Goo, SSBB,Mega Man 9, MK Wii, Boom Blox, COD:WAW from your 2008 list you posted.
-Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 2, RE4 Wii Edition, SPM from your 2007 posts.
2007 stills wins (poll says it all). Yeah, it was pretty much SMG and MP3 pushing that notion, but that's the impact a few games can do. I'm not alone in this opinion.
I'll probably be able to give you one on June 4. ;) Honestly though, I can't figure out how people can claim that 2007 was the best year hands down no competition, let alone being the best year. They must be just thinking of one or two titles they really loved, because 2008 had a TON of great games. Would you rather be stranded in the desert with one bottle of pure filtered spring water infused with minerals, or would you rather have a freshwater lake? Because if you actually remember 2007, you'll remember people were so miserable with no good games out and having already beaten the ones released, and many people sold their Wiis, and everyone was wondering whether we were just in for a cavalcade of shovelware, interspersed with a Nintendo title every couple of years.Let's see here. I own:[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="these_nuts"]is pikmin 3 confirmed for 2009? could you give me a link to ease my tension with nintendo?FFCYAN
-World of Goo, SSBB,Mega Man 9, MK Wii, Boom Blox, COD:WAW from your 2008 list you posted.
-Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 2, RE4 Wii Edition, SPM from your 2007 posts.
2007 stills wins (poll says it all). Yeah, it was pretty much SMG and MP3 pushing that notion, but that's the impact a few games can do. I'm not alone in this opinion.
The clear conclusion is that you need to play more games. :P And you can't appeal to the poll to decide which year was better. That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong. And outside of the confines of this forum, I'm sure opinion would swing in the opposite way anyway. MP3 was and is my favourite game on Wii, but the sheer volume of non-stop great games in 2008 beats out a few excellent games in 2007 and lots of waiting.No, you pretty much named them all. I see 2009 gaining support! Hellz ya! Optimism and positive thinking! Down with the naysayers!2007. Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki and many other amazing games.
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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Let's see here. I own:[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] I'll probably be able to give you one on June 4. ;) Honestly though, I can't figure out how people can claim that 2007 was the best year hands down no competition, let alone being the best year. They must be just thinking of one or two titles they really loved, because 2008 had a TON of great games. Would you rather be stranded in the desert with one bottle of pure filtered spring water infused with minerals, or would you rather have a freshwater lake? Because if you actually remember 2007, you'll remember people were so miserable with no good games out and having already beaten the ones released, and many people sold their Wiis, and everyone was wondering whether we were just in for a cavalcade of shovelware, interspersed with a Nintendo title every couple of years.clicketyclick
-World of Goo, SSBB,Mega Man 9, MK Wii, Boom Blox, COD:WAW from your 2008 list you posted.
-Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 2, RE4 Wii Edition, SPM from your 2007 posts.
2007 stills wins (poll says it all). Yeah, it was pretty much SMG and MP3 pushing that notion, but that's the impact a few games can do. I'm not alone in this opinion.
The clear conclusion is that you need to play more games. :P And you can't appeal to the poll to decide which year was better. That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong. And outside of the confines of this forum, I'm sure opinion would swing in the opposite way anyway. MP3 was and is my favourite game on Wii, but the sheer volume of non-stop great games in 2008 beats out a few excellent games in 2007 and lots of waiting.I agree. Me saying 2007 is the best year is an opinion, just like you saying 2008 is the best year. As far as getting more games, it goes both ways. I could play some more great games from last year as well as games I have not yet played from 2007. I planned on getting Z&W, NMH, and Battalion Wars 2 (I liked the GC version). And I here too much good things about Okami and some other games from 2008. It all comes down to the impression that year had on me and 2007 was clearly superior to me. IMO.In 2008 Nintendo said they were stopping making new games and started the whole Gamecube remakes in 2009Jaysonguy
Really? Nintendo "said" that, huh? That's news to me and probably a lot of other people. Care to provide a link for that?
The clear conclusion is that you need to play more games. :PclicketyclickHmm yea,i have 35 games on the Wii (what about you?) and i still say 2007 win.
clicketyclick,
It doesnt matter if there were more games in 2008 than 2007. The fact is that 2007 games: SPM, RE4, Wii Play(great casual game to relax), MP3, and MP8 were great games. Like the other people said: Quality>Quantity. For my second vote it would be 2006 because of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.
But 2008 had quality AND quantity. Or are you trying to say that World of Goo, SSBB, Rock Band 2, Okami, Guitar Hero World Tour, Bomberman Blast, Mega Man 9, de Blob, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing, Boom Blox, all the Strong Bad games, Call of Duty World at War, No More Heroes, Bully, Maboshi, Art Style games, Tetris Party, FFCC: MLaaK, LostWinds, Wario Land, Blast Works, Dokapon Kingdom are all shovelware? So you're voting for 2007 on the basis of SPM, surely the worst in the series, RE4, an old game port, Wii Play, which barely qualifies as a game and most bought just to get the "free" wiimote, and MP8, a universally panned game and surely one of the worst in the series? And you're talking to me about quality over quantity? :D Irony? I do agree that MP3 was amazing though, and ditto TP. I just don't think that a couple amazing games accompanied by a ton of shovelware overwhelms a year chock full of great games.clicketyclick,
It doesnt matter if there were more games in 2008 than 2007. The fact is that 2007 games: SPM, RE4, Wii Play(great casual game to relax), MP3, and MP8 were great games. Like the other people said: Quality>Quantity.
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]Thank you!!! I was seriously thinking that I was alone and crazy. Now I know that I am crazy but not alone.AlexSaysYeah I don't understand. Everyone is talking about quality... nine out of Metacritic's top twenty Wii games came out in 08. Seven for 07. Heck, let's even use Gamespot. Seventeen 80+ rated games in 08, and thirteen 80+ rated games in 07. So Metacritic? 08 wins. Gamespot? 08 wins. Where exactly does 2007 win here? i also am at a loss here...im sure i bought more games on 2008, in raw numbers and quality.. Then again im not a ninty lover, i can enjoy a lot more third party games than ninty ones.If i were, 2007 maybe.Either case, they were close, with 2k8 being a bit improved.But even as ninty goes, Mario kart was better sold than Mario Galaxy or Mprime (together if you will), and Brawl sold like hell too.So software wise, they made better sales last year than in 2k7. But,im voting for 2k9.I mean, geez, is march and i already killed my vallet, with :Madworld, House of the Dead overkill,Tenchu 4, and ,stone me if you will, Dead rising. Seriously, i dont feel like wii no longer needs mommy ninty to show quality titles(as it did back in 2k6-early 2k7).So im confident this will be highest year for wii in quality titles, with ninty help or not.
What was the best year for the Wii?Brawl578Where did the TC mention the word opinion, Gamespot, or Metacritic?
Year breakdown on the games i have:
2006: 6
2007: 14
2008: 11
2009: 3
2008 had alot of decent games but nothing more really,nothing that stand out as one of the best.
Go watch any of the 2008 Game of the year award and it reflect perfectly that.
Pretty much every nominee excluding Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii were laughable tbh.
[QUOTE="Stephleref"]He asked our opinion not the opinion of Metacritic or GameSpot that nobody care about,what is so hard to understand?Geez...AlexSays
What was the best year for the Wii?Brawl578
If he wanted to know what was the best Wii year according to Metacritic he would have looked it up instead of making a thread.
This thread was obviously made to know the opinion of the GameSpot community and not Metacritic.
Can you be more biased? (I refuse to call Animal Crossing a new entry in the franchise,sorry) Anyway to refresh some of your memory,2007: Fire Emblem,Guitar Hero III,Medal of Honor Heroes 2,Metroid Prime 3,Resident Evil 4,Resident Evil: UC,Super Mario Galaxy,Super Paper Mario,The Godfather,Trauma Center: New Blood,WarioWare: Smooth Moves,Zack & Wiki,Geometry Wars: Galaxies, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games,NiGHTS,Mario Strikers Charged,Sonic and the Secret Rings,Lego Star Wars,Battalion Wars 2 and SSX Blur. (I'm sure i forgot many) So you can stop saying 2007 only had 4 great titles with nothing else.clicketyclick
Lol, firstly, I listed 8 2007 games on the first page of this thread in my first post, so I am baffled why I have to "stop saying" it only has four when I listed 8. You only have more on your list because you are scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to beef up the list.
Secondly, Okami and Bully weren't available for GC (i.e. you couldn't play them on your Wii already.)
Thirdly, I am the least biased here. Looking at GameRankings and Metacritic offers the most unbiased way of assessing the general (or average) enjoyability of a game. 2008 had a greater quantity and variety of enjoyable games than 2007 and fewer dry spells. Meaning, objectively and unbiasedly speaking, 2008 was the best year for Wii overall and for gamers in general.
Hey,i guess im gonna go sell my Wii.
After all Metacritic has proved that the HD consoles have by far the best games of this generation right?
Everybody should too because after all you can't like something over another even if it may look weaker for some.
Because that's pretty much what you tell me right now i can't like 2007 more because Metacritic say 2008 is the best.
Before i go i just want to remind you of what you said:
That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong.clicketyclick
I agree. If we are going to be statistical about this, the Wii is an inferior system and nobody in their right minds would choose it over a PS3/360/PC. According to just GS. The Wii trails all platforms in A/AA/AAA/AAAA catagories. There is no reason I should love the Wii as much as I do. But as it happens, I love the Wii far more than my PS3 and even DS (which I want so many games for). I also happen to think 2007 was the best year for the Wii. SMG, MP3, and RE4 (which are my favorite Wii games) were enough to make me feel that way about it and that just might not change until maybe this year perhaps.Hey,i guess im gonna go sell my Wii.
After all Metacritic has proved that the HD consoles have by far the best games of this generation right?
Everybody should too because after all you can't like something over another even if it may look weaker for some.
Because that's pretty much what you tell me right now i can't like 2007 more because Metacritic say 2008 is the best.
Before i go i just want to remind you of what you said:
[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong.Stephleref
Before i go i just want to remind you of what you said:[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong.Stephleref
And before you go, let me remind you of what I said it in response to: "2007 stills wins (poll says it all)". It's official name is "the bandwagon fallacy". But calling the bandwagon fallacy on someone isn't akin to an admission that there is no fact or truth in the matter. It just means that the reasoning used to get to it in that instance is faulty.
You can like whatever you want to like, but if you're going to assess what is "the best year for the Wii" and you want to do it in the least biased and least subjective manner, you'll end up declaring 2008 the winner so far, because it has the most enjoyable games, the fewest dry spells, the greatest balance of 1st to 3rd party quality titles, and was the year that broke 2006 and 2007 sales records. More quality games, fastest increase in installed base, healthier balance of developer support, and the introduction of WiiWare make 2008 the best year yet.
So it is a fact that 2008 was the best year so far. However, it's just my opinion that 2009 will top it. I can't state that as fact though.
Also, please try to stick to talking about the Wii only on this forum or you'll end up getting the thread locked by turning this into SW. (And besides, if you really think that the Wii peaked in 2007 and it's only been downhill from there on out, I'd argue you already have ample motivation to sell your Wii for something else, and I wonder why you haven't yet if that's really how you feel.)
all of wiis years were great its a shame no ones sees it that way, thats because their to o choosy , , oh this game looks better on that, bla bla bla quantum of solace 007 cod5 any one, , marikart wii , ssbb , deblob all 2008 titles , that have been over looked ,
and its the same sad story for 09 , madworld dead rising house of the dead ok come to mind
if any 1 is dissapointed in any year in gaming general , id say 2000 , would be the worst for any console 2002 for nintendo in particular, they had little to nothing that interiste me sure they were ok games-wave race and luigi mansion mario party 4 but come on now,
wake up and smell the coffie wii has done the imposible,
1 mario party game
1 mario kart game
1 zelda main title 1 spim off ,
2 masrio games 1 is like nsmb
4 mario sports titles
1 metroid 1 ssbb ,
4 new series or continued series ,
that would be excitbots trick and excit truck wii series, and disaster day of crisis,
and punchout also we will see sin and punishment 2 , ,
it is safe to say nintendos at its best, you think just for one second their only working on ports,
lol
there not , reggie just announced a secret title., wonder what itll be ,kirby kid icaris, fzeo-i hope marioparty 9 -i can do for another,
mario kart wii 2- that woulkd be the biggest bombshell or another mario /zelda title or the one game ive been asking for since 1994s stunt raCE FX LOL a 1080-3 or wave rac3 all are welcome,
i bet e3s roof is gonna blow o ff, seriously,
[QUOTE="Stephleref"]Before i go i just want to remind you of what you said:[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]That's just opinion, not fact. You may not be alone in the opinion, but you could still be wrong.clicketyclick
And before you go, let me remind you of what I said it in response to: "2007 stills wins (poll says it all)". It's official name is "the bandwagon fallacy". But calling the bandwagon fallacy on someone isn't akin to an admission that there is no fact or truth in the matter. It just means that the reasoning used to get to it in that instance is faulty.
You can like whatever you want to like, but if you're going to assess what is "the best year for the Wii" and you want to do it in the least biased and least subjective manner, you'll end up declaring 2008 the winner so far, because it has the most enjoyable games, the fewest dry spells, the greatest balance of 1st to 3rd party quality titles, and was the year that broke 2006 and 2007 sales records. More quality games, fastest increase in installed base, healthier balance of developer support, and the introduction of WiiWare make 2008 the best year yet.
So it is a fact that 2008 was the best year so far. However, it's just my opinion that 2009 will top it. I can't state that as fact though.
Also, please try to stick to talking about the Wii only on this forum or you'll end up getting the thread locked by turning this into SW. (And besides, if you really think that the Wii peaked in 2007 and it's only been downhill from there on out, I'd argue you already have ample motivation to sell your Wii for something else, and I wonder why you haven't yet if that's really how you feel.)
What's the point of polls if your just going todenounce them as bandwagon choices? I agree with your assesment of the Wii having a healthier year in last year. You really cannot state that 2008 was the best year followed by saying it was a fact. Was 2008 a better year overall than 2007? In many aspects, yes it was. Was it better than than 2007 for games? That my friend, is OPINION and purely subjective. I don't think anyone here posted 2007 in the poll because everyone else is selecting it. I feel strongly that people on these forums just say what they feel like saying despite what other think, especially on the Wii forum (that why I'm in here so often I guess). Choose any subject and your bound to get many views on it. I'm not just saying "look at the polls!", I still remember a lot of "where are all the good games" threadsfrom last year and you don't really see them as often now do you? Just saying.:PWhat's the point of polls if your just going todenounce them as bandwagon choices?FFCYAN
No, that's not what I meant. The bandwagon fallacy is an appeal to popularity to determine what is true/good/right/just. i.e. Such-and-such religion is the true religion. How do I know? Because billions of people believe in it, and billions of people can't be wrong.
A poll is not a "bandwagon choice", whatever that would be. It just measures how people feel on a subject, which is an interesting thing in itself (i.e. isn't it interesting to know how many people still think the world is flat, even though you know it isn't true?). I just can't refer to polls representing people's feelings about which year is best to determine which year actually was best. I hope I have stated my thoughts more clearly.
Was 2008 a better year overall than 2007? In many aspects, yes it was. Was it better than than 2007 for games? That my friend, is OPINION and purely subjective.FFCYAN
Not really. Instead of going by what I liked and didn't like, I'm going by what games are enjoyable - literally, which games have a high likelihood that they are able to be enjoyed.
The former (like and dislike) just amounts to listing off the games in each year and going "hooray!" or "yuck!" in reaction to each, totaling up your hoorays and yucks, and determining which year was the least yucky. That is purely subjective. (This is analogous to the "Boo-Hooray Theory" of Ethics, which states that there's no such thing as moral laws and whatnot; it's all just gut reaction and preference and there's no right or wrong.) This approach actually doesn't answer the question, because the question it's actually answering is: "Which year had the most games you like?" or "In what year were your favourite Wii games published?" rather than "What was the best year for the Wii?"
The latter (enjoyability) ignores personal dislikes and likes in order to better accommodate the ability of others to enjoy the game. It involves a statistical cutoff and analysis based on comparison on similar terms. Not subjective. Not at all like saying "hooray" and "yuck" to games.
[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]What's the point of polls if your just going todenounce them as bandwagon choices?clicketyclick
No, that's not what I meant. The bandwagon fallacy is an appeal to popularity to determine what is true/good/right/just. i.e. Such-and-such religion is the true religion. How do I know? Because billions of people believe in it, and billions of people can't be wrong.
A poll is not a "bandwagon choice", whatever that would be. It just measures how people feel on a subject, which is an interesting thing in itself (i.e. isn't it interesting to know how many people still think the world is flat, even though you know it isn't true?). I just can't refer to polls representing people's feelings about which year is best to determine which year actually was best. I hope I have stated my thoughts more clearly.
Was 2008 a better year overall than 2007? In many aspects, yes it was. Was it better than than 2007 for games? That my friend, is OPINION and purely subjective.FFCYAN
Not really. Instead of going by what I liked and didn't like, I'm going by what games are enjoyable - literally, which games have a high likelihood that they are able to be enjoyed.
The former (like and dislike) just amounts to listing off the games in each year and going "hooray!" or "yuck!" in reaction to each, totaling up your hoorays and yucks, and determining which year was the least yucky. That is purely subjective. (This is analogous to the "Boo-Hooray Theory" of Ethics, which states that there's no such thing as moral laws and whatnot; it's all just gut reaction and preference and there's no right or wrong.) This approach actually doesn't answer the question, because the question it's actually answering is: "Which year had the most games you like?" or "In what year were your favourite Wii games published?" rather than "What was the best year for the Wii?"
The latter (enjoyability) ignores personal dislikes and likes in order to better accommodate the ability of others to enjoy the game. It involves a statistical cutoff and analysis based on comparison on similar terms. Not subjective. Not at all like saying "hooray" and "yuck" to games.
So basically this bandwagon fallacy is like everyone thinking on the lines that murder, rape, stealing, adultery, lying is wrong because most people believe that it is (some don't obviously). You can't refer to polls because of this phenomenon, right? There would never truly be a right and wrong in other words.As far as your second statement. Your saying that in fact, based upon your view as to why 2008 was better, that it is indeed better than 2007 but I don't know it yet because I'm not using a statistical cutoff and analysis based on comparisions on similar terms. This I would have to agree with.That would definitely change my vote and view on it. However, because I do not analyse games this way, I still insist 2007 was better. This in no way mean I did not like 2008. I loved it in fact. I believe 2007 was better though and will leave it at that.;)
i think 2007 is best because it had 1st party titles Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3.
I believe that most people chose 2007 due to 1st party games, thats my theory.8)
Sorry for double posting but in my theory, I believe people want more 1st party titles because most gamers are hardcore gamers and want mario, samus, link, and all the other nintendo cast. I know not all gamers are hardcore and just want to play party games like guitar hero or something else. So it mostly depends on what you liked the best.
Hey,i guess im gonna go sell my Wii.StephlerefIf you truly believe 2007 was the Wii's strongest year and the number of quality titles have since decreased, despite countless credible sources saying how great 2008 was, you should have sold your Wii a long time ago. [QUOTE="Stephleref"]If he wanted to know what was the best Wii year according to Metacritic he would have looked it up instead of making a thread. This thread was obviously made to know the opinion of the GameSpot community and not Metacritic. Thank you for telling me what the TC intended. That is very helpful. Unfortunately this is a case of a popular opinion being wrong, so the TC is much better off analyzing each year with credible sources, rather than believing an easily swayed audience on this site.
Good job guys 66% for 2007. ;)
Glad to see the majority of people on this site actually know their stuff. :P
Are you kidding me? It's 2007 by miles! The majority of the system's best games came out in that year, and top it off with the fact that they came out in a way that you never heard of the complaints that you hear now. 2008 would be a distant second, though, and it can thank games like SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, and Wii Fit for that.
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