Where are we all headed?

Violence is a part of life, no amount of protection given to a child will keep this factor from him/her. Its natural and the kids can only learn from it after experiencing it.

The kids eat their precious Mcdonald hamburgers and those are produced through extreme violence.... I....don't know what they hope to accomplish through censoring.

well we know who to blame these problems on.... The politicians because they have so much experience in the gaming industry, man these people need to mind their own buisness this is nothing but a travesty and i for one cant believe the hanosity of politicians they make me sick

well we know who to blame these problems on.... The politicians because they have so much experience in the gaming industry, man these people need to mind their own buisness this is nothing but a travesty and i for one cant believe the hanosity of politicians they make me sick

adio2190

I think the cell shading should save it from getting the dreaded AO but it'll probably get banned in the UK

'Death,taxes and tables'

Yeah, TNA pwns.

Enough with crying over a rating system.

This is about two things

1. Ratings which are needed

2. A company not wanting to give itself a black eye by releasing something to such a small number of people who care about it.

A game doesn't need to push itself into the obscene just to be mature enough and the idea that "We're almost there" is beyond childish.

Enough with crying over a rating system.

This is about two things

1. Ratings which are needed

2. A company not wanting to give itself a black eye by releasing something to such a small number of people who care about it.

A game doesn't need to push itself into the obscene just to be mature enough and the idea that "We're almost there" is beyond childish

Ur wrong completely because if only a small number care y are their so many posts then tell me that

Ur wrong completely because if only a small number care y are their so many posts then tell me that

adio2190

Yes, posts on Gamespot which (while I love the site) is a tiny section of gamers worldwide.

MOST of the people upset about this game have no place playing the game because they can't get it legally. All of this fake outrage is exactly that, fake. People are acting like this is an issue even worth debating like it had world shaking issues involved. They also think that games don't reflect on the console they're on and that Nintendo and Sony should just put it out and not care what people say.

Failing to understand that when you run a billion dollar worldwide company you don't have the luxury of saying "screw you" and putting whatever you want on your system. People want to keep on crying about mature? Mature is understanding that a company's bottom line and keeping your public image is important because your company employs thousands of families and if you take a game and lose it'll be them losing their jobs.

I swear people on here want to rant that it isn't fair because that's what THEY think and that's what THEY choose. Well that's not how the world works. It's a two way street. While people WANT to play the game as is Nintendo and Sony don't WANT to hurt their image releasing the game.

The world wont be held back because of it and we're not going to lose any rights because of this game coming out as a mature game.

u r somewhat rite Jasonguy i agree the only point is that their are more people then u think that will be complaining so thats my point but ur rite on what u said

u r somewhat rite Jasonguy i agree the only point is that their are more people then u think that will be complaining so thats my point but ur rite on what u said

adio2190

Yes people will complain but there's not enough to merit any sort of outcome different then the one that's laid out now which is changing the game to mature or not releasing it (or asking for a chance to defend the game to the ESRB board)

The public isn't interested in adult games with the options they have with mature titles these days.

I said this earlier today but it needs repeating

The game Postal (super adult killing game) sold 200,000 units worldwide

Over 60,000 people on Gamespot say they have Halo 2 in their collection

[QUOTE="adio2190"]

u r somewhat rite Jasonguy i agree the only point is that their are more people then u think that will be complaining so thats my point but ur rite on what u said

Jaysonguy

Yes people will complain but there's not enough to merit any sort of outcome different then the one that's laid out now which is changing the game to mature or not releasing it (or asking for a chance to defend the game to the ESRB board)

The public isn't interested in adult games with the options they have with mature titles these days.

I said this earlier today but it needs repeating

The game Postal (super adult killing game) sold 200,000 units worldwide

Over 60,000 people on Gamespot say they have Halo 2 in their collection

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="adio2190"]

u r somewhat rite Jasonguy i agree the only point is that their are more people then u think that will be complaining so thats my point but ur rite on what u said

tomarlyn

Yes people will complain but there's not enough to merit any sort of outcome different then the one that's laid out now which is changing the game to mature or not releasing it (or asking for a chance to defend the game to the ESRB board)

The public isn't interested in adult games with the options they have with mature titles these days.

I said this earlier today but it needs repeating

The game Postal (super adult killing game) sold 200,000 units worldwide

Over 60,000 people on Gamespot say they have Halo 2 in their collection

That only helps prove my point though.

So there could even be MORE people with Halo 2, yet the sales number for Postal is still at 200,000.

There will always be a market for games like this but it's so small that it's not worth the bad pub. Sure computer games are easier to get games out for because there's no real brand name that can be linked with the hardware since it can be played on various platforms.

Consoles don't have it as easy, if a game comes out that can play on a Nintendo system that means that Nintendo specifically makes it possible for that to play on ONLY it's system.

say tomarlyn pn 03 was for the GC right? how long ahve you had that avatar and sig? i never played the game btw, also both look great, especially that butt.grafkhun

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="adio2190"]

u r somewhat rite Jasonguy i agree the only point is that their are more people then u think that will be complaining so thats my point but ur rite on what u said

Jaysonguy

Yes people will complain but there's not enough to merit any sort of outcome different then the one that's laid out now which is changing the game to mature or not releasing it (or asking for a chance to defend the game to the ESRB board)

The public isn't interested in adult games with the options they have with mature titles these days.

I said this earlier today but it needs repeating

The game Postal (super adult killing game) sold 200,000 units worldwide

Over 60,000 people on Gamespot say they have Halo 2 in their collection

That only helps prove my point though.

So there could even be MORE people with Halo 2, yet the sales number for Postal is still at 200,000.

There will always be a market for games like this but it's so small that it's not worth the bad pub. Sure computer games are easier to get games out for because there's no real brand name that can be linked with the hardware since it can be played on various platforms.

Consoles don't have it as easy, if a game comes out that can play on a Nintendo system that means that Nintendo specifically makes it possible for that to play on ONLY it's system.

okay when the hot coffee hit the net what did rockstar do they changed it to an adult rating so shut it if u dont know what ur talkin bout adio2190

Should be noted retailers all pulled GTA during the period it had an AO rating. Do your research before flaming.

You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.tomarlyn

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.Jaysonguy

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

Violence is a part of life, no amount of protection given to a child will keep this factor from him/her. Its natural and the kids can only learn from it after experiencing it.

The kids eat their precious Mcdonald hamburgers and those are produced through extreme violence.... I....don't know what they hope to accomplish through censoring.

flclempire

Yeah but it's not like they slaughter the cow right in front of the kid, when you were young and were eating hamburgers did you really know/care/invision where it came from and how it was made? No, you were just happy that you were eating McDonald's and you had a small toy. Unless where you come from cows being slaughtered in front of children is a regular thing. :S

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.tomarlyn

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

No I mean here, I was comparing how Halo 2 did here to how Manhunt did here

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.Jaysonguy

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

No I mean here, I was comparing how Halo 2 did here to how Manhunt did here

You know, you're really starting to not make any sense.

I know you think MH2 is just pointless violence and gore, but you've never played the game.
Here's a quote from someone who has:

Based on what we played, Manhunt 2 is shaping up to be a solid, intriguing follow-up to the original. The game's violence and gore, which have become the mother of all lightning rods for the title, are in full effect. But, while they've been ramped up from the original game, they're not exactly going to wreck Western civilization any more than, say, the Saw and Hostel movies--or just about any other of the slasher flicks that come in and out of vogue. What we saw was graphic for sure, and given a slightly unsettling twist by the interactivity offered by the Wii game, but ultimately it's nothing we haven't seen before in other games, movies, or even some television. We're curious to see the form Manhunt 2 ends up taking should Rockstar make changes to get a more retail-friendly rating. The game's violence is part of the dark story it's telling, not an element tossed in for shock value. If films such as Seven or Reservoir Dogs had been toned down, they arguably wouldn't have told the same stories. Hopefully Rockstar can figure something out and keep the game's dark vision intact. We'll keep you posted as Manhunt 2 is prepared for release. -Gamespot.com

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.Conjuration

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

No I mean here, I was comparing how Halo 2 did here to how Manhunt did here

You know, you're really starting to not make any sense.

I know you think MH2 is just pointless violence and gore, but you've never played the game.
Here's a quote from someone who has:

Based on what we played, Manhunt 2 is shaping up to be a solid, intriguing follow-up to the original. The game's violence and gore, which have become the mother of all lightning rods for the title, are in full effect. But, while they've been ramped up from the original game, they're not exactly going to wreck Western civilization any more than, say, the Saw and Hostel movies--or just about any other of the slasher flicks that come in and out of vogue. What we saw was graphic for sure, and given a slightly unsettling twist by the interactivity offered by the Wii game, but ultimately it's nothing we haven't seen before in other games, movies, or even some television. We're curious to see the form Manhunt 2 ends up taking should Rockstar make changes to get a more retail-friendly rating. The game's violence is part of the dark story it's telling, not an element tossed in for shock value. If films such as Seven or Reservoir Dogs had been toned down, they arguably wouldn't have told the same stories. Hopefully Rockstar can figure something out and keep the game's dark vision intact. We'll keep you posted as Manhunt 2 is prepared for release. -Gamespot.com

No, actually you just shot your entire argument in the foot.

So what you're saying by posting that is that there's an entire game there and the violence isn't the main draw. Well then there wont be any problem with them toning down the violence because the main game will still stay intact.

i didnt understand a word you just saidshroomario

Which person?

[QUOTE="Conjuration"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You'd have to check how much Manhunt sold really.Jaysonguy

If you add up the first Manhunt game for the PS2, XBOX, and PC you end up with just around 10,000

This is what I mean about the worth of the game compared to what they'll lose in the public's eyes

No I mean here, I was comparing how Halo 2 did here to how Manhunt did here

You know, you're really starting to not make any sense.

I know you think MH2 is just pointless violence and gore, but you've never played the game.
Here's a quote from someone who has:

Based on what we played, Manhunt 2 is shaping up to be a solid, intriguing follow-up to the original. The game's violence and gore, which have become the mother of all lightning rods for the title, are in full effect. But, while they've been ramped up from the original game, they're not exactly going to wreck Western civilization any more than, say, the Saw and Hostel movies--or just about any other of the slasher flicks that come in and out of vogue. What we saw was graphic for sure, and given a slightly unsettling twist by the interactivity offered by the Wii game, but ultimately it's nothing we haven't seen before in other games, movies, or even some television.We're curious to see the form Manhunt 2 ends up taking should Rockstar make changes to get a more retail-friendly rating. The game's violence is part of the dark story it's telling, not an element tossed in for shock value. If films such as Seven or Reservoir Dogs had been toned down, they arguably wouldn't have told the same stories. Hopefully Rockstar can figure something out and keep the game's dark vision intact. We'll keep you posted as Manhunt 2 is prepared for release. -Gamespot.com

No, actually you just shot your entire argument in the foot.

So what you're saying by posting that is that there's an entire game there and the violence isn't the main draw. Well then there wont be any problem with them toning down the violence because the main game will still stay intact.

The part in bold is what you were supposed to read. That's one of the main points, if not THE main point of this entire controversy.
I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion, but I just don't see how defending bans on adult themed games is a good thing.
I think we'd both defend our points of view until we're blue in the face (or fingers). And at the end of it all neither of us will have changed our minds.
I'm not calling you out, but what is you're main point here?

Edit: I increased the font size on the main part of the quote.

The part in bold is what you were supposed to read. That's one of the main points, if not THE main point of this entire controversy.
I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion, but I just don't see how defending bans on adult themed games is a good thing.
I think we'd both defend our points of view until we're blue in the face (or fingers). And at the end of it all neither of us will have changed our minds.
I'm not calling you out, but what is you're main point here?

Conjuration

I'm not defending the ban on the game I'm defending each company that chooses not to put the game on their console.

They want to, but they wont - so far, the worst we've seen of NMH's is beheadings.. which.. happens in many M+ games.

Plus, im old enough for M+ now :)

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]

The part in bold is what you were supposed to read. That's one of the main points, if not THE main point of this entire controversy.
I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion, but I just don't see how defending bans on adult themed games is a good thing.
I think we'd both defend our points of view until we're blue in the face (or fingers). And at the end of it all neither of us will have changed our minds.
I'm not calling you out, but what is you're main point here?

Jaysonguy

I'm not defending the ban on the game I'm defending each company that chooses not to put the game on their console.

Sobasically you're supporting, well... a ban on the game then, right?

[QUOTE="adio2190"]

Ur wrong completely because if only a small number care y are their so many posts then tell me that

Jaysonguy

Yes, posts on Gamespot which (while I love the site) is a tiny section of gamers worldwide.

MOST of the people upset about this game have no place playing the game because they can't get it legally. All of this fake outrage is exactly that, fake. People are acting like this is an issue even worth debating like it had world shaking issues involved. They also think that games don't reflect on the console they're on and that Nintendo and Sony should just put it out and not care what people say.

Failing to understand that when you run a billion dollar worldwide company you don't have the luxury of saying "screw you" and putting whatever you want on your system. People want to keep on crying about mature? Mature is understanding that a company's bottom line and keeping your public image is important because your company employs thousands of families and if you take a game and lose it'll be them losing their jobs.

I swear people on here want to rant that it isn't fair because that's what THEY think and that's what THEY choose. Well that's not how the world works. It's a two way street. While people WANT to play the game as is Nintendo and Sony don't WANT to hurt their image releasing the game.

The world wont be held back because of it and we're not going to lose any rights because of this game coming out as a mature game.

/clap

www.filibustercartoons.com/Nintendo.php

That's how it used to be, so this isn't too bad.

These bad boy games are huge. Take a look at the GTA series. They didn't mind releasing those, this just sounds like the next step. What's wrong with stepping up? Especially if it's all been done before in other similarforms of entertainment.

AO is the next step. It can't just stop here.Conjuration

Once again, there's no reason to "step it up"

Rockstar wants to say that this is art and that's just plain crap (pardon)

Like I said before you're dealing with public image and that's something you can't play with. How the public sees your company is a huge part of your sales and there's no reason to push the envelope right now. Especially with the world we live in now. With the Trade Towers right to the Virginia Tech shootings this society is not ready to become numb to graphic violence of any kind.

If pushing the envelope means a negative reaction from the majority of the public that's not only a risk they can't make but if they DID make that risk they should be fired. Mature titles have become somewhat mainstream in the last half decade but even they get flak when they're released depending on the content.

I'll also add this. The people crying about their rights are also against the ESRB and their "dictatorship" by making rules and regulations. They're also going off on politicians who want to make laws concerning video games. Well if they got more support and actually had a nationwide set of rules and regulations maybe you'd see games like this released. If the public knew there was a way to stop the people who shouldn't be playing this game from playing it there's a good chance they'd soften their stance.

Past that games like this with their current content aren't popular. There's a reason why most of the most graphic movies have always been either "B" movies back in the day or straight to video release these days.

The people crying about their rights are also against the ESRB and their "dictatorship" by making rules and regulations. They're also going off on politicians who want to make laws concerning video games. Well if they got more support and actually had a nationwide set of rules and regulations maybe you'd see games like this released. If the public knew there was a way to stop the people who shouldn't be playing this game from playing it there's a good chance they'd soften their stance.

Past that games like this with their current content aren't popular. There's a reason why most of the most graphic movies have always been either "B" movies back in the day or straight to video release these days.

Jaysonguy

The first paragraph is certainly something I agree with, and something I've thought about before. It's true. If there was a stronger (more serious) set of rules and regulations in place, we would be seeing games like these released. It would be what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would need to allow this sort of game to be on their consoles.

And about the 2nd paragraph:
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "games like this with their current content aren't popular." If you mean violent games and movies, then I strongly disagree with that statement. Very strongly. That simply isn't true.