Why Do You Need Blood, Violence, Sex, And Cursing In Your Wii Games?

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[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

Oh my! The irony!

TaMuK711

Right.....

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] Just because I can argue with valid points doesn't mean I try to present what I say as fact, I'm not.

Haziqonfire

Right.....

And here we have my favorite aspect of your posts: Grossly generalized assumptions!

I'm not really sure where your getting the threatened about a game thing from, I only remember discussing on-rails and multiplayer stuff with you. Sorry I don't like the same games as you in any case, like many people I have an opinion:P

Also way to completely misquote me! At no point have I ever said a game has NO replay value without multiplayer, keep grasping at straws.

Eh, it's not to my taste, but I do recognize that some games are better off with that kind of thing done properly. I'm concerned at howgratuitous use of blood, etc.has become a marketing point by itself though.

Eh, it's not to my taste, but I do recognize that some games are better off with that kind of thing done properly. I'm concerned at howgratuitous use of blood, etc.has become a marketing point by itself though.

Boomarley

I'm all for violent games on the Wii. It's great, it gives people who are into that something to enjoy. That's fine.

But as you mention, for some games, blood and violence is the selling point. And people eat it up. That's what I don't understand.

People ignore "E" rated games that get less than 85%, yet here we have games like MadWorld and No More Heroes, getting an average of 81% and 83% (respectively) on Metacritic, and people praise the Hell out of them.

Then I ask why they love the violence, and people avoid the question and get defensive about it. It's just a question!

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[QUOTE="maxgil2"]

ArcticEdge has a point tho, why do they need to explain to you why they like what they like? ...it sounds like you don't like Blood, Violence, Sex, And Cursing in Wii game so you're never gonna agree with ppl who likes them. It will prolly end up being a mud slinging match.

Wii is suppose to appeal to everyone/family right? ..then why not teen/young adults/adults also who likes the above? or they don't count as in family?

bob_newman

Yeah, you read it right.

Lately, a number of Wii owners on these boards are crying "me too" when it comes to the content seen in "other" console's games. Some of you give off the impression that if a game is missing those elements (Blood, shooting, violence, sex, swearing, etc), if the game doesn't have an "M" rating, it's a waste of your time and money.

But I ask you, why? Why does content matter so much to you?

I mean, we're all just playing games here. No matter how "mature" you may think you are by playing them, they're still "games" (ie, what children play).

At this point, I can't figure it out. I have some theories, but I figure that maybe if I ask the people here who hold that mindset, they'll be able to fill me (and many others) in and finally reveal this mystery.

So again, why are these things so important to you?

Then I ask why they love the violence, and people avoid the question and get defensive about it.bob_newman

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]

Eh, it's not to my taste, but I do recognize that some games are better off with that kind of thing done properly. I'm concerned at howgratuitous use of blood, etc.has become a marketing point by itself though.

bob_newman

I'm all for violent games on the Wii. It's great, it gives people who are into that something to enjoy. That's fine.

But as you mention, for some games, blood and violence is the selling point. And people eat it up. That's what I don't understand.

People ignore "E" rated games that get less than 85%, yet here we have games like MadWorld and No More Heroes, getting an average of 81% and 83% (respectively) on Metacritic, and people praise the Hell out of them.

Eh, sometimes blood, violence, sex and cursing are cool. Not all Wii games need to have it, but some options would be nice. Just like movies, there are some great movies out there without any of that content, (Nightmare Before Christmas, Grave of the Fireflies to name a few favorites off the top of my head), but that doesn't mean sometimes I never want to justenjoy some fun loving alien busting Arnold in Predator. Recently I've been playing Rune Factory and Okami, both fantastic games. Today though, I was watching my housemate play GTAIV on PS3, and I thought to myself "You know, something like that would be fun for a change". Again, not required, but quality options should be there. What I personally find is strong about the Wii library is its diversity; there's great games across most genres with all kinds of different styles and quirks. But I feel truely mature content is something that is lacking (I'll leave the debate of what makes a game truely mature alone for now).

To answer moreso the question of "why", again I guess it's just personal preference. Some people enjoy the testosteron fueledass-kickery of 300 moreso then the charm of Pixar films. Not really much there to be explained. I also beleive that certain aspects of games, such as story telling, atmosphere, and themes may require mature content. Metal Gear Solid just wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid without its mature content. Horror atmosphere may call for violence and gore. Games with serious tones, messages and themes may require more realistic approaches, being toned down might just not cut it. And for people who are especially interested in those types of games, for whatever reason, might be dissapointed currently.

Blood and gore, sex, and curse words should only be used in a game if it considerably increases the quality of the gaming experience.

I think that blood would kinda enhance the Metroid and Zelda franchises, as "combat" is part of the gameplay. As opposed to the Super Mario franchise that mainly has platforming as its main gameplay mechanic, so there is no need for any blood, and definitely no need for sex/cursing.

There are also games like Madworld which includes all of the above in the thread title. The blood and violence obviously is over the top, some people ocasionally curse, and there is sextual themes mainly from the commentators. The guys from platinum games managed to include it all in the game in a way that really boosts the gaming fun.

I look forward to some of the more mature games coming to Wii but also look forward to other games, like the recently anounced Rabbids Go Home (definitely will have no blood, unless they want to do something similar to Conker) and Red Steel 2 (may have blood, as long as it done in a way so that it fits in the visual style that they have chosen)

Yeah, you read it right.

Lately, a number of Wii owners on these boards are crying "me too" when it comes to the content seen in "other" console's games. Some of you give off the impression that if a game is missing those elements (Blood, shooting, violence, sex, swearing, etc), if the game doesn't have an "M" rating, it's a waste of your time and money.

But I ask you, why? Why does content matter so much to you?

I mean, we're all just playing games here. No matter how "mature" you may think you are by playing them, they're still "games" (ie, what children play).

At this point, I can't figure it out. I have some theories, but I figure that maybe if I ask the people here who hold that mindset, they'll be able to fill me (and many others) in and finally reveal this mystery.

So again, why are these things so important to you?

bob_newman

if i had to sum it up i would say i just feels right

if i shoot a guy in his noggan he just dies its fun but it lacks somting that feeling of violence

then i shoot the same guy in the head it explodes blood goes in all directions you see some brain fall to the ground, you alot of diffrent things from that first one is "It is dead" also its alot cooler it looks right you just shot him he should die not just fall to the ground in a lump that makes him seem asleep. its so much more satisfying if there is some blood or even some gore. it feels alot cooler when you kill the boss and he evaporates away right after the fight you say yay i won. or you can say hey see that red blob in the corner that used to be a two-hundred foot dragon i just killed him makes you feel more badass then jumping on a goombas head. but really for me it just feels right to see blood splatter on the walls or even a little red comes out we a bullet impacts.

swearing should never be added just because it can it has to serve a point. chars in the storry have personalitys meaning the big general who just told you save the world said hey would you mind killling those aliens for me? it wouldnt seem right well thats what it is like with swearing some chars need too swear. it wouldnt sound right if you bad ass marine buddywouldnt swear. i guess it comes down to the same thing as the first one it just feels right....although with some games that is not the case.

sex? well if its added smartly in with the storry then sure its welcomed just like if devs could add anything smartly to a storry it is welcomed

all of those things i like in a game it feels right like its soposed to be there but.......it doesNOT need it for me to be interested there are so many good games that dont have and blood,just look at most of nintendo titles alone. yet i cant say if zelda had blood i wouldnt be happy because it just would feel more right to see some blood when you are slicing thru everyone in you sights....not that it needs it zelda is one of my favorite series of all time

last thing some people said about the me 2 versions of games i agree want the same thing ported over makes no sense to me but when a dev puts the blood in one version but leaves it out in other thats a slap in the face to wii owners (i guess im talking about the new x-men game)

BOOM HEADSHOT!

I don't feel I NEED blood, violence, sex and cursing in my Wii games but to some people it's all a matter of taste. I own my fair share of "M" rated games, but there's also "E" and "T" rated games in my collection too. I guess people feel like there's not enough of the "mature" stuff on Wii. That there's only the "kiddie" stuff.

Because people might have different taste in games? Derp. I thought it would've been obvious to you, but no.

ok heres the problem i dont like

i own all 3 freakin consoles and the 3 handhelds,

heres how 360 started- it had an awsome line up of a variety of titles dead rising test drive unlimited pgr 3 gears , ,

kameo , cod2 , , and each one you played it was different

then since 07 its been fps fest you cant get a break from it

the ps3 is so so , it startted very slow but now it has that variety , , plus those fpses,

the wii has always delivered a variety , ,

and the games dont need to be violent lol ,

my library consist of many games from many generes across all my consoles bu t the fact that my 360 is plagued with dull fpses every single month,

is so out ragious , n64 wasnt even half as bad,

because they were actually good, ones not ones rushed out like-prey pd0 moh airborne turok- what a way to end a good series ,, ruin it actually i ve seen this done before- top gear - the last game i played of it was on ps2 and boy was that a disgraceful end ,

makes me look back and say kemco what the heck , ,

so ya here the wii is actually doing somthing about this mess of fpses-

people sit here and complain , heres the thing ,, they can go out and get a 360 and play these fpses , they want and still should be able to enjoy a wii or a ps3 ,,, if you can then you can call your self a true gamer if you cant then its just like they say ,

once spoiled -your spoiled

fpses will always be your thing ,, boy it wont be any fun by the time this gens over with

I really don't care either way, but I do like Mature content, it adds a touch of some realism to the game for me. Besides, a nice pair of bouncing you know whats does help to make a game rock, but doesn't need to be in every game.

sometimes... you just get the urge to blow someone's head of, just for the hell of it... as for sex and cursing, i couldnt care less.

but i certainly dont want that stuff in every game. just in some of them

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So again, why are these things so important to you?

Jaysonguy

Just talking for myself if I do not have sex, violence, blood, and cursing in my games I feel like a child

If my main hobby does not have things that only an adult can do then I might as well be playing with blocks

My self esteem is such that I don't know if I'm really an adult. When I go look on my shelf if I have too many "E" rated games I feel like a baby, but when I see so many game cases with "M" on them then I know I'm a real man.

I'm not sure what the TC is talking about. I dont know anyone who NEEDS blood, violence and mature content in EVERY game they play. Nobody is that narrow minded.Sports games, racing games, platforming games, rpg's, puzzel games come to mind. If someone bought a Wii expecting hardcore GTA type games 24/7, then they have a problem.

TC, when people say they want mature content on the Wii, they are not just refering to blood and violence. They would just like to see, for examplea racing game that does not involve shooting turtle shells or racing animal robots, or a puzzle game like Boom Blox that does not use animals with squeeky voices, or a adventure game like Zak and Wikki where the main character is not a little kid and a monkey.

I don't need sex in my games.
I don't need violence in my games.
I don't need cursing in my games either.

As for blood, there's a place for blood in videogames and it depends on the type of game. Look at Red Steel, you SHOOT people, you SLICE up people but there's no blood? Cmon! There has to be blood even if it's just a little bit. I don't need blood in my games and I don't need violence but if a game is violent and involves killing people then I expect some blood.

I wrote a huge post, but I'm not even going to bother. I know only a minute amount of you will actually read it.

Bob, I think this can be compared to movies, or even books. It just depends on what people want. Some people love watching horror flicks (RE5)vs Disney movies (Punch-Out)

2 completely opposite types of films (both great), but it just depends on what their going for with theparticular product. (which the Wii does seem to be lacking up until now.

different strokes, for different folks is all I can think of....

I need fun in my games. If these games have blood violence sex and cursing, and because of this, it enhances the gaming experience, then sure it will be good in those games. Do i need it in Mario Galaxy? No Depends on the game and it's style. Look at HotD Overkill. Quality game, has TONS of swearing and blood, but its supposed to be like a grindhouse movie type game. And for that, it makes it more enjoyable and i like the style. If it didn't have the swearing and blood, it would still be a great game, but would have no charm and be like the old ones.

Yeah, you read it right.

Lately, a number of Wii owners on these boards are crying "me too" when it comes to the content seen in "other" console's games. Some of you give off the impression that if a game is missing those elements (Blood, shooting, violence, sex, swearing, etc), if the game doesn't have an "M" rating, it's a waste of your time and money.

But I ask you, why? Why does content matter so much to you?

I mean, we're all just playing games here. No matter how "mature" you may think you are by playing them, they're still "games" (ie, what children play).

At this point, I can't figure it out. I have some theories, but I figure that maybe if I ask the people here who hold that mindset, they'll be able to fill me (and many others) in and finally reveal this mystery.

So again, why are these things so important to you?

I don't want that. I want more games like LKS, and less things like Wii sports resort.

While it's true I need my blood, violence, sex, and cursing, I don't turn to video games (of any platform) to get them.Mike1978Smith

Yeah, you read it right.

Lately, a number of Wii owners on these boards are crying "me too" when it comes to the content seen in "other" console's games. Some of you give off the impression that if a game is missing those elements (Blood, shooting, violence, sex, swearing, etc), if the game doesn't have an "M" rating, it's a waste of your time and money.

But I ask you, why? Why does content matter so much to you?

I mean, we're all just playing games here. No matter how "mature" you may think you are by playing them, they're still "games" (ie, what children play).

At this point, I can't figure it out. I have some theories, but I figure that maybe if I ask the people here who hold that mindset, they'll be able to fill me (and many others) in and finally reveal this mystery.

So again, why are these things so important to you?

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Yeah, you read it right.

Lately, a number of Wii owners on these boards are crying "me too" when it comes to the content seen in "other" console's games. Some of you give off the impression that if a game is missing those elements (Blood, shooting, violence, sex, swearing, etc), if the game doesn't have an "M" rating, it's a waste of your time and money.

But I ask you, why? Why does content matter so much to you?

I mean, we're all just playing games here. No matter how "mature" you may think you are by playing them, they're still "games" (ie, what children play).

At this point, I can't figure it out. I have some theories, but I figure that maybe if I ask the people here who hold that mindset, they'll be able to fill me (and many others) in and finally reveal this mystery.

So again, why are these things so important to you?

nintendoboy16

Exactly a good story line makes a game A GAME!! GamePlay is great in Zelda Twilight Princess! Very interactive

Well there is plenty of violence but blood and cursing are unnecessary and there is NO sex in Wii games. That's the problem.

Well there is plenty of violence but blood and cursing are unnecessary and there is NO sex in Wii games. That's the problem.

firefox59

If zelda had more blood, violence, and drama the story would be much better. The game is stuck between trying to be kiddy and trying to be serious.

If zelda had more blood, violence, and drama the story would be much better. The game is stuck between trying to be kiddy and trying to be serious.

Hungry_Jello

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If zelda had more blood, violence, and drama the story would be much better. The game is stuck between trying to be kiddy and trying to be serious.

Pyro767

They make it more real. Since when is more real a bad a thing? Wouldn't it be kinda cool to seeZelda take theseriousness of MGS?That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

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If zelda had more blood, violence, and drama the story would be much better. The game is stuck between trying to be kiddy and trying to be serious.

Hungry_Jello

They make it more real. Since when is more real a bad a thing? Wouldn't it be kinda cool to seeZelda take theseriousness of MGS?That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

Cause it makes gamez HARDCOREZ!1!!

Well there is plenty of violence but blood and cursing are unnecessary and there is NO sex in Wii games. That's the problem.

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[QUOTE="Pyro767"] Since when did blood and violence have any effect on a game's storyline? That was horrible, horrible reasoning.Pyro767

They make it more real. Since when is more real a bad a thing? Wouldn't it be kinda cool to seeZelda take theseriousness of MGS?That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

Less realism isn't required to make a game better. That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

I agree with you totally, bob. I guess (and no offence here) some people just feel like: REAL LIFE = blood, sex, violence, cursing. Personally, I believe a great game doesn't need these things to be good. Now you can argue how GTA is so cool and awesome, and in a sense it is. But only if you like that kind of thing. Only if you think all life is about is blood, sex, cursing, and senseless violence.

If you do, poor you.

because people want to look mature in front of their friends.themagicbum9720

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

If zelda had more blood, violence, and drama the story would be much better. The game is stuck between trying to be kiddy and trying to be serious.

Hungry_Jello

They make it more real. Since when is more real a bad a thing? Wouldn't it be kinda cool to seeZelda take theseriousness of MGS?That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

Madworld had lots of blood and over the top violencce, did that somehow make it a serious game??? And if you want to keep realism how much more violent can zelda get. I mean its not anymore realistic to have enemies that explode blood than it is for them to simply disappear. And violence and blood don't affect the storyline much if at all.

[QUOTE="Pyro767"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

They make it more real. Since when is more real a bad a thing? Wouldn't it be kinda cool to seeZelda take theseriousness of MGS?That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

Less realism isn't required to make a game better. That was horrible, horrible reasoning.

And violence and blood don't affect the storyline much if at all.

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When utilized properly,violence can be part of or enhance a story.No More Heroes did it well.

And more games need sex,the way I see it.

This argument has never seen the light of day.NeoFalconHavok