A little less than 2 years ago, nintendo promised us a revolution..... they promised us a new way to play, a new experience that would blow us away, a system that would break the barrier to other non-gamers, but also not forgetting about the hardcore gamers.
Today, nintendo has kept there promise, they gave us a new way to play, and so far, nintendo has broken the non-gamer barrier. But, what about us? the hardcore gamers.... we're the ones that kept nintendo going, when times were tough for nintendo (n64, cube) we stuck to them like glue. And honestly nintendo's priorities are a little messed up, (for those of you that watch miyamoto's keynote, you'll understand), it should be US first, or at least, us being equal to the "new gamers".
what do i mean? well, with the gamecube, we were promised online play, however we never got it, and once nintendo finally released mario kart DS for the DS, we finally set foot into the online world. I loved it the first time i played it, i had many good races and fun ones throughout my time with MKDS. However it would also frustrate me when i could never add people i raced to a "friends list". i mean, we had friend codes, but we couldnt get peoples friends codes from people we played. Nintendo has repeatedly said, that the friend codes were to protect children and others from people. Here lies my problem.....
Kids/Children shouldn't even be playing online without parents permission (chances are anyway that they wont figure out how to connect it). It should be the parents responsiblity to know what games kids are playing in the first place. Now if nintendo wanted to really protect the kids, they should have some sort of "PARENTAL CONTROLS" to monitor the kids, and let us hardcore gamers enjoy the online experience. However, MKDS was nintendos first online gig, and i can understand.
But a year after MKDS, nintendo released the wii, and again we have another type of friend system that requires, wii codes. This time though nintendo did add parental controls, which they could make to ban kids from playing online without parental approval. Maybe nintendo is lazy? maybe nintendo just didnt think about it, (if they thought of the wii though, i cant imagine that they havent thought of this).
Nintendo must realize, that they need to do something for the hardcore gamers. simple things to do would be to, have a SECOND type of channel. A Mii Channel+, where people who are "of age" (up to nintendo to decide) can engage in a online community, where people can meet and add a "online friend list" seperate from the ACTUAL friends which use "wii codes". Simple little things like this, can satisfy not only new gamers, who im sure would also love the ability to meet people online, just like chat rooms, but for the hardcore gamer as well.
Nintendo has been given an amazing chance to do something special with Wii. They not only get the chance to expand the market, but they have a chance to change the face of gaming forever. Nintendo already seems to have expanded the market to all of our sisters, mothers, and father who would never before touch a controller. But Nintendo also needs to remember us, the people who are HELPING nintendo expand the market, by showing our friends and families what a great system the Wii really is. They can do this, by making sure that games such as metroid prime 3: corruption and super smash brawl, madden 08, and so on, go online. If they can do this, and satisfy both sides of the spectrum, the Wii and Nintendo can go down in history as the best gaming system EVER. and that if that is nintendos true goal, then they know what they must do...
Its not just Nintendo fans its hardcore gamers in general. I myself have owned all their consoles but wouldn`t actually call myself a ''Nintendo fan'', I`m just a gamer. To cut a long story short I agree (didn`t read everything), although with the Cube they actually said people didn`t want to play games online (roffles). If your first online experience was MKDS then you should go multiplat, you`ve missed out on a lot :P Its definitely more about the new gamers but its working wonders for them. Still needs another year like the DS there will be great games, but you should get something else in the meantime to satisfy your hunger.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Its not just Nintendo fans its hardcore gamers in general. I myself have owned all their consoles but wouldn`t actually call myself a ''Nintendo fan'', I`m just a gamer. To cut a long story short I agree (didn`t read everything), although with the Cube they actually said people didn`t want to play games online (roffles). If your first online experience was MKDS then you should go multiplat, you`ve missed out on a lot :P Its definitely more about the new gamers but its working wonders for them. Still needs another year like the DS there will be great games, but you should get something else in the meantime to satisfy your hunger. no MY first online experience was halo 2, mlb 06?, and madden 06, my first nintendo experience was MKDS though, and thats what i was referring to as the first online game
... If your first online experience was MKDS then you should go multiplat, you`ve missed out on a lot :Ptomarlyn
He said it was Nintendo's first experience with online... I have no doubt that since the topic creator is ragging on the incompetence of Nintendo's online system that he's well-experienced in what other systems have to offer. Though to respond to the topic, I completely agree. Nintendo really needs to step things up a notch.
i know exactly what you mean, i have been dissapointed quit a bit with Miis and friend codes, and lack of good games and online. Though i think we are just going to have to wait and see what happens.
when i first purchased the wii i thought between the new controls, games, online, miis, and everything else, i was going to be OVERWHELMED with all the exciting stuff, that was shot down fast, with barleyanything to do after i bought and beat zelda and realised the VC collection was pretty lame, and couldnt even go online and have an online community.
I think i might buy a 360 to tie me over till next year
[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Its not just Nintendo fans its hardcore gamers in general. I myself have owned all their consoles but wouldn`t actually call myself a ''Nintendo fan'', I`m just a gamer. To cut a long story short I agree (didn`t read everything), although with the Cube they actually said people didn`t want to play games online (roffles). If your first online experience was MKDS then you should go multiplat, you`ve missed out on a lot :P Its definitely more about the new gamers but its working wonders for them. Still needs another year like the DS there will be great games, but you should get something else in the meantime to satisfy your hunger. no MY first online experience was halo 2, mlb 06?, and madden 06, my first nintendo experience was MKDS though, and thats what i was referring to as the first online game Ah, you just see the untapped potential in many of their games.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]... If your first online experience was MKDS then you should go multiplat, you`ve missed out on a lot :Prarefactory
He said it was Nintendo's first experience with online... I have no doubt that since the topic creator is ragging on the incompetence of Nintendo's online system that he's well-experienced in what other systems have to offer. Though to respond to the topic, I completely agree. Nintendo really needs to step things up a notch. well, thats partly true, i had played online games on my friends systems, (halo 2, madden 06, mlb 06), however the only systems ive owned, were from nintendo....
I think the friend code thing is really stupid and I agree with what you had said about the parental controls and stuff. If you are of a certain age you shouldn't have to put up with a stupid thing to protect kids, which is stupid anyway, because who is going to meet up with kids on a wii and molest them? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It should be up to the parents to moniter that stuff.
It seems that this is going to get in the way of online gaming. In order to have a good multiplayer game of brawl you will probably have to go online on forums like these, and look for random people who are interested in playing a game of it with you at that very time, then add them and get them to add you, and go into the game. To do that it will take an hour. Its so inconvenient.
My first (and so far last) online experience was with Xbox(1) and ncaa football. I could always find an opponent, but as soon as I started winning, we would lose connection.... EVERYTIME. I think friend codes, although lengthy and bothersome, keeps that kind of thing from happening so much.
I could always find an opponent, but as soon as I started winning, we would lose connection.... EVERYTIME.dilmos
Maybe the reason why you were losing connection as soon as you started winning was because your opponent didn't want to lose? Happens to me all the time in Mario Kart...
Well u sort agree with you, Nintendo has been lazy with online ( mostly because I think they never really wanted online anyways but they realized they have too) but I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I still have lot sof fun with these so called casual games.
Nintendo really needs to sort things out with Friend Codes. It doesn't make sense to have Friend Codes to 'protect' children when they offer parental controls, Internet Channel - GATEWAY TO PORN! lol -, and are giving the okay for games like Manhunt 2.
Wow... another online/friend codes/nothing will ever satisfy gamers/ thread. I myself was pretty happy with the DS' online system and I don't expect the Wii's to be that much different. I don't really want Nintendo's online system to be just like XBL (which apparently most of you do) because if I wanted that, I'd pay for it. I bought a Wii for the great new way of playing, and some of the online bonuses are nice too, but so far there aren't even any Wii games I care about playing online. I don't see why it's such a deal breaker for you, especially if you have a PC (which I can only assume most people here do) which is THE machine for online gaming, period.
Wow... another online/friend codes/nothing will ever satisfy gamers/ thread. I myself was pretty happy with the DS' online system and I don't expect the Wii's to be that much different. I don't really want Nintendo's online system to be just like XBL (which apparently most of you do) because if I wanted that, I'd pay for it. I bought a Wii for the great new way of playing, and some of the online bonuses are nice too, but so far there aren't even any Wii games I care about playing online. I don't see why it's such a deal breaker for you, especially if you have a PC (which I can only assume most people here do) which is THE machine for online gaming, period. secretagentx9
It's good to see there are a few people out there who agree with me. I'm not alone. [=^) Online, while not the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, is one of those things that has been somewhat negative. Too many people now days will not play a game if it doesn't have online play. You miss out on a lot of games because of that. You say, what about my friends who live across town or have moved away. Well then you have contact with those people 99 times out of 100 and you can exchange friend codes with them and you will be able to play online with them. Playing against random people in general lessens the fun to be had by playing online because they're only out to win. Too many people don't play games to have fun anymore, they play to get achievements or to better their leaderboard standings. that's not why you should be playing games. You should be playing to have fun. The best way to do this is to immerse yourself in the single player aspect of a game or to gather with a bunch of your friends to hang out....Playing online so you can say, "I'm better than you" isn't much fun.
I get most of my online gaming fixes from my pc and I have tired of that recently, besides which I do prefer playing my family of friends so online isn't what I am waiting for.Â
But I will agree that I feel that true gamers are being left out of the picture here while all effort seems to be going into getting Mrs Miyamoto to play games apparently, the whole touch gen annoyed the hell out of me on the DS and now it seems to be happening all over again on the Wii. Im glad they are attracting new gamers although my wife has been gaming for years anyway and even she is complaining about the lack of traditional games on the Wii, and the lack of any info to show they are coming.
One statement in the post above me confuses me. How do people think that you have to want online play to be a "true" gamer. I don't care about online play, but I consider myself a true gamer. I love playing games like Zelda, Call of Duty as well as Monkey Ball, Mario or Wario Ware. Anyone that plays games is considered a gamer, there's no such thing as a "true" gamer.
[QUOTE="secretagentx9"]Wow... another online/friend codes/nothing will ever satisfy gamers/ thread. I myself was pretty happy with the DS' online system and I don't expect the Wii's to be that much different. I don't really want Nintendo's online system to be just like XBL (which apparently most of you do) because if I wanted that, I'd pay for it. I bought a Wii for the great new way of playing, and some of the online bonuses are nice too, but so far there aren't even any Wii games I care about playing online. I don't see why it's such a deal breaker for you, especially if you have a PC (which I can only assume most people here do) which is THE machine for online gaming, period. smileyryder34
It's good to see there are a few people out there who agree with me. I'm not alone. [=^) Online, while not the worst thing to ever happen to gaming, is one of those things that has been somewhat negative. Too many people now days will not play a game if it doesn't have online play. You miss out on a lot of games because of that. You say, what about my friends who live across town or have moved away. Well then you have contact with those people 99 times out of 100 and you can exchange friend codes with them and you will be able to play online with them. Playing against random people in general lessens the fun to be had by playing online because they're only out to win. Too many people don't play games to have fun anymore, they play to get achievements or to better their leaderboard standings. that's not why you should be playing games. You should be playing to have fun. The best way to do this is to immerse yourself in the single player aspect of a game or to gather with a bunch of your friends to hang out....Playing online so you can say, "I'm better than you" isn't much fun.
I would say people nowadays won't play a game simply because its on another system more than online. I've seen so many people who refuse to play X game because its on Y system. Gotta love blind loyalty.
Even with Friend Codes, people are most often playing with people they don't know. Go look at a lot of forums and you'll see people just punching in Friend Code after Friend Code simply because its available on a list.
One statement in the post above me confuses me. How do people think that you have to want online play to be a "true" gamer. I don't care about online play, but I consider myself a true gamer. I love playing games like Zelda, Call of Duty as well as Monkey Ball, Mario or Wario Ware. Anyone that plays games is considered a gamer, there's no such thing as a "true" gamer. smileyryder34
Everybody has their own definition of 'True' gamer, which to me is absurd since once you play games... your gamer.Â
At the end of the day, it comes down to what you think a true game is.
The hardcore stuff is coming, just wait. Nintendo is trying to make a name for itself for being noob-friendly out of the gate to attract more costumers, then they will realese that hardcore stuff.Â
A game doesn’t have to have online to be hardcore at all IMO. Nintendo has been making some of the most rewarding games for hardcore players for a very long time now:
Mario Bros series- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J31klTM6q78&mode=related&search=
I have respect to gamers who have supported Nintendo for many years and I see where you are coming from, but the harsh reality is that the number of non-gamers outnumber the hardcore gamers by many folds. The industry has changed a lot over the years to a point where it cannot rely on a small group of hardcore gamers in order to survive. I sense that Nintendo's direction is strictly a wise business move, to broaden the audience by giving ways to non-gamers to enjoy the new system Wii (highlighted by Miyamoto's Wife-o-Meter example), at the same time, hardcore gamers felt disapointed due to lack of announcements.
There were no announcements made because legally they could not do so yesterday. Once their stock sale is taken care of you'll begin to hear more things from Nintendo. Until then you'll have to get by on little announcments and more of the same.
Yet again i see more people complaining about the Wii's flaws and i agree with them 100 % but the thing is that its not gonna get the atttention of Nintendo to change anything!!. You simply just have to post your complaints to the Official Nintendo Website cus theres no more need to discuss these problems cus it has already been addressed in the Wii forum for god knows how long now!
I agree with your post for the most part. It was well thought out and logical. I also believe that Nintendo needs to do something extra for the hardcore gamers and in return more hardcore's will promote their system to casual and non-gamers. Unfortunately Nintendo, like every other company, is in this business for the profits, and right now they're making a ton of money. So, they're just not thinking about us hardcore gamers because we're a minority in the market. I definitely hope though, that they improve their online experience and get out some better games for us in the near future.
The hardcore stuff is coming, just wait. Nintendo is trying to make a name for itself for being noob-friendly out of the gate to attract more costumers, then they will realese that hardcore stuff. FireEmblem24
they better do it fast.... or at least start to release more VC games, that are actually good, (Super metroid, super mario RPG, etc.)
I would say people nowadays won't play a game simply because its on another system more than online. I've seen so many people who refuse to play X game because its on Y system. Gotta love blind loyalty.
DarkMagik9
It's not blind loyalty. I own a Wii, I don't own a PS3 or a 360. There are games on those systems I would like, but I'm not going to go drop $600 on a PS3 just to try something out.
[QUOTE="DarkMagik9"] I would say people nowadays won't play a game simply because its on another system more than online. I've seen so many people who refuse to play X game because its on Y system. Gotta love blind loyalty.
aransom
It's not blind loyalty. I own a Wii, I don't own a PS3 or a 360. There are games on those systems I would like, but I'm not going to go drop $600 on a PS3 just to try something out.
Okay, that's fine. If it's a financial reason, I totally understand.
But when I hear people saying, 'I refuse to play Kingdom Hearts because its on the PlayStation 2' or 'Resident Evil 0-1 because its on GameCube' that annoys me. That type of reaction was everywhere last gen.
Hardcore gamer is another term for loser... video games have always been about an enjoyable, RECREATIONAL activity, not a way of life. Just look at Pong, Mario and pacman. Those games weren't about senseless violence, they were about having fun.
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