Why is it that when trying to give us a mature game, companies do the opposite?

I'm getting a little confused by everyone's definition of maturity, but I consider MadWorld to be immature because the violence appears to be self serving. The gore isn't a means to an end, it is the end - violence for the sake of violence. It may still be fun, but it doesn't interest me.

As to the original question, I would wager that most developers of self proclaimed 'mature' games are really trying to market to a teenage audience that is still trying to define what mature means to them. I think that audience is more interested in new and exciting experiences, rather than what an adult might consider to be mature.

Read between the lines. I think it's perfectly clear.psychobrew

So until the TC explains himself, there's nothing to talk about... AlexSays

I'll rephrase the question then, just for discussion's sake, not meaning any insult to the TC or implying that this is necessarily what he was trying to say (though I think it probably is.)

REPHRASE:

As we all know, the Wii's library is full of shovelware such as the Petz games. We don't like this of course, and some devs take notice and decide to attempt what they describe as a "hardcore" game that isn't like those shovelware titles.

Now, though many are succeeding on the "hardcore" front, many of them (in my opinion) failing miserably at making the games unlike these shovelware titles. Instead of making games with deep, imaginative thoughts and realistic attributes, they give us games that, though no doubt fun, are shallow and have laughable/unbelievable plots and aspects of gameplay.

Do you really consider over-the-top gore, over-the-top cursing, inclusion of hypersexualised eye candy, etc., to be something that appeals to us? Though they are no doubt enjoyable "hardcore" games, No More Heroes, Madworld, Animals De La Muerte, etc are only that, not all of what we were promised. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Discuss.

The games like No More Heroes and Madworld are aimed for the children who still think that's cool

Where poop jokes are the funniest things you can think of

Jaysonguy

For a general idea, go out and do a poll at your local mall. Ask if someone would rather play madworld or Mario. I bet that the majority of the teens would say Madworld and the majority of adults would say Mario. Also, I don't really care if they're mature either. I can have just as much fun with immature games as mature ones. However, It's gotten annoying how people refer to such games as mature.Head_of_games

This doesn't have anything to do with maturity. It's simply what games the userbase, based on age demographic, is more familiar with. Even if you put the games side by side and asked which they would rather play, it's not telling as Mario has instant recognition.

Games are considered mature or not based on the ESRB. It's based on how age appropriate the content is. Sex, violence, language and drugs are considered mature whether or not the context is mature. So, it's not inaccurate at all to call these games mature especially when you consider the packaging ends up labeled with an "M for Mature".

If fact, and I hate to be a dictionary person, but that is one of the definitions of mature...

intended for or restricted to adults, esp. by reason of explicit sexual content or the inclusion of violence or obscene language

Now, maybe it'd be more accurate if games used a system closer to the MPAA as G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17, and X. It's a more familiar system which is beneficial to buyers, and it would eliminate these "mature games aren't mature" threads.

But, since mature is utilized by the ESRB and is appropriate by the very definition of the word, how about instead of complaining you simply use a more appropriate word...
sophisticated
cultured
intellectual
enlightened

I would venture that games that are sophisticated, cultured, intellectual, and/or elightening are in far fewer numbers than mature games.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]Saying an inanimate object is immature is wrong.bob_newman

And go look up the definition, chief. The word immature can be used to describe inanimate objects, just not in the context I used.

As for the word hardcore, that is a make-believe word with no actual definition where as immature is an actual word that be used to describe a video game - not in the context I used - so that was not a good comparison.

That was exactly my point, you were using the word "immature" improperly, just like people use the word "hardcore" improperly. That's why I made the connection between the two.

I realize that one can apply the word "immature" to a video game, but it would have nothing to do with the subject matter in the game.

Maturity and hardcoreness are two completely different subjects. If I saw a five year old decapitate ninjas and poop on them, it would be pretty hardcore, yet at the same time immature.TheSmitto

I'd say this is probably the best comment I've seen so far:

The difference between a mature game like say, Gears of War, and a mature game like No More Heroes or Madworld is that the latter group is self-aware that they have a childish take on the violence, where Gears of War (sorry Gears of War fans, just using it as an example) has a childish take on violence in order to look genuinely cool. In an ironic twist this in turn makes the latter group more cool. In a contest between big burly men with chainsaw weapons, the one which doesn't take itself serious is the victor._BlueDuck_

If you listen to the commentary in MadWorld, you'll recognize pretty quickly that it's basically a satire of violent entertainment. I'm wondering if the game in its entirety plays with that concept, but we'll see. No More Heroes is pretty much the same way. We can call it cultural discourse. One part of culture (books, movies, games, etc.) creatively comments on another part (or the whole), which usually incites comment back from whatever is being commented on. This has the potential for opening up good conversations about important topics, but unfortunately videogames aren't really to the point yet where this can happen on a broad scale. Critics are only expected to write basic reviews, and the mass media doesn't really care at all unless it could harm the childrens.

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Just like I did with No More Heroes. Well I also had to look past it being broken there. lol

Jaysonguy

No More Heroes isn't broken.

Just saying.

Please stop covering for it

The controls do not respond the way they're intended to

We've been over this, I have standards and others don't. If anyone else thinks broken is good that's fine, if you want to join that group that's fine too but stop trying to pretend that not all controls working 100% of the time is fine because it's not.

I'm speaking for the people who have standards

It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH?Pices

It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH? Pices

Obviously,any game with violence is automatically immature.Or at least that's what I'd assume,considering some of the comments I've seen in this thread and on this board.

[QUOTE="Pices"]It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH? VGobbsesser

Obviously,any game with violence is automatically immature.Or at least that's what I'd assume,considering some of the comments I've seen in this thread and on this board.

Then I think its safe to say that any animal with wings can breath under water.[QUOTE="VGobbsesser"]

[QUOTE="Pices"]It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH? Pices

Obviously,any game with violence is automatically immature.Or at least that's what I'd assume,considering some of the comments I've seen in this thread and on this board.

It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH? NMH has great controls (no waggle) with a great story and it is a great step in the right direction. NMH 2 would be vastly improved. Madworld cannot be judged since its not released, and come on, it had perfect hands-on. Be sensible and realistic, people.Pices

I honestly love senseless violence and gore. Isn't that what makes games fun?

Manhunt 2 was poorly received but remains my favorite Wii game to date simply because you **** people right up with **** like bricks and syringes.

DOOM and Gears of War 2 are also favorites of mine.

I think if you're looking for something REALLY mature, you shut put your wii remote down and pick up a book with a really deep and moving plot just like you're looking for in your kiddy system.

Don't get me wrong, the Wii is fantastic and I always have fun when I play one of my 36 games for it, but I don't play video games to immerse myself in the storyline.

Hmm some ppl here need sense of humour, being waay too serious. Ever thought that most games aren't actually mature - if you really want to use the actual meaning of being mature?

Being mature means you'd be stuck with driving sims -> real life, puzzle & sports games ..why? because shooting ppl or zombies is not mature, slash & fight games not mature either..even RPGs NOT mature or any of the RTS not mature.

But as a mature adult you'd know that...& realise that games like NMH, HotD Overkill is set-up that way -> sense of humour. Its SO ridiculous that it couldn't possibly be real.

Show me a list of games besides driving sims, puzzle & sports games that's actually accorsding to the meaning mature?

[QUOTE="Pices"]It just gets on my nerves when unintelligent people look at a MATURE game and say its for children. Well for a child, I would say "Good luck" because he's gonna need it when he's gonna buy it from a store. Games like NMH and MadWorld have violence, blood, gore, strong language, alcohol and sexual references. HOW CAN THAT BE CHILDISH? NMH has great controls (no waggle) with a great story and it is a great step in the right direction. NMH 2 would be vastly improved. Madworld cannot be judged since its not released, and come on, it had perfect hands-on. Be sensible and realistic, people.Head_of_games

Ever thought that most games aren't actually mature - if you really want to use the actual meaning of being mature?

Being mature means you'd be stuck with driving sims -> real life, puzzle & sports games ..why? because shooting ppl or zombies is not mature, slash & fight games not mature either..even RPGs NOT mature or any of the RTS not mature.

But as a mature adult you'd know that...& realise that games like NMH, HotD Overkill is set-up that way -> sense of humour. Its SO ridiculous that it couldn't possibly be real.

Show me a list of games besides driving sims, puzzle & sports games that's actually accorsding to the meaning mature?

maxgil2