Really makes no sense at all. Asa 21 year old gamer planning on buying the game, it really pisses me off.
Why is Nintendo not allowing AO games on the system?
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Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
they are, manhunt 2 is coming to the wii
it's the BBFC that has banned it inUK NOT nintendo, and it's only banned across the british isles
plus there's RE4, and no more heroes coming to wii, which are both AO
Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Jaysonguy
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Sonick54
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
With the amount of press its been getting, it would sell massively. even with an AO rating. people would go out of their way to find a shop that does sell it, or go online to buy it.
Hurting the image? By just carrying a game. I wish these companies wouldn't give a s*** about what these nonsense religious groups or overprotective parents thought. If its AO it won't get to their sheltered kids. And it would sell well just for the fact that it is AO and all the controversy it is causing.
[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
mattyftm
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Sonick54
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
With the amount of press its been getting, it would sell massively. even with an AO rating. people would go out of their way to find a shop that does sell it, or go online to buy it.
Children can't buy this game nor can teenagers. Only adults. So already that's 2 thirds of the community of sales gone. And i just said retailers would not sell it.
With the amount of press its been getting, it would sell massively. even with an AO rating. people would go out of their way to find a shop that does sell it, or go online to buy it.
mattyftm
No, you don't give enough credit to stores and how much traffic pushes titles. There's a reason the Wii comes out in stores when they have games they want to push. That's the kind of support a title needs in order to justify any risk to the company.
Even rated M it would still sell better then if it was an AO game. Simply because more people could get their hands on it.
Children can't buy this game nor can teenagers. Only adults. So already that's 2 thirds of the community of sales gone. And i just said retailers would not sell it.
Sonick54
M is only 1 year diference, thats not allot of business lost compared to if it was rated M. And not all retailers refuse to sell it, just most, and with the amount of press its been getting, people would go out of their way to find one.
[QUOTE="Sonick54"]Children can't buy this game nor can teenagers. Only adults. So already that's 2 thirds of the community of sales gone. And i just said retailers would not sell it.
mattyftm
M is only 1 year diference, thats not allot of business lost compared to if it was rated M. And not all retailers refuse to sell it, just most, and with the amount of press its been getting, people would go out of their way to find one.
But it's not M rated. At least, not yet. UNless Rockstar doesn't like getting money.
[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Sonick54
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Sonick54
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
With the amount of press its been getting, it would sell massively. even with an AO rating. people would go out of their way to find a shop that does sell it, or go online to buy it.
Children can't buy this game nor can teenagers. Only adults. So already that's 2 thirds of the community of sales gone. And i just said retailers would not sell it.
Except that kids and teenagers aren't really 2/3 of the gaming community. Stats have shown that adults are the largest majority when it comes to gamers.
People seem to confuse what the majority of people on a small messageboard know with what the 'public' knows.
Most people- even limiting it to most Wii owners- don't know Manhunt from a hole in the wall. If it were AO, and never makes it to stores, they never would.
All a moot point anyway- no console game has been released in the states at an AO rating. An no console manufacturer will allow an AO game to be released.
People seem to confuse what the majority of people on a small messageboard know with what the 'public' knows.
Most people- even limiting it to most Wii owners- don't know Manhunt from a hole in the wall. If it were AO, and never makes it to stores, they never would.
All a moot point anyway- no console game has been released in the states at an AO rating. An no console manufacturer will allow an AO game to be released.
Spelunker
You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"
Except that kids and teenagers aren't really 2/3 of the gaming community. Stats have shown that adults are the largest majority when it comes to gamers.
Banana03
No they don't
Only 40% of adults play video games while over 60% of kids (18 and under) play daily
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You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"Banana03
It would also KILL the image for the Wii that is doing so well. You know the whole for everbody thing. If Nintendo allowed an AO game on their system it would do more harm to the system then good.
Besides I think well see an E rating on Manhunt 2 before Nintendo agrees to put anything above M on the WII.
[QUOTE="Banana03"]Except that kids and teenagers aren't really 2/3 of the gaming community. Stats have shown that adults are the largest majority when it comes to gamers.
Jaysonguy
No they don't
Only 40% of adults play video games while over 60% of kids (18 and under) play daily
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Hahaha, you can't go by percents. 40% of Adults while 60% of kids? Well the number of Adults is much larger than the number of kids, so 40% of Adults is much larger than 60% of kids.
You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"
Banana03
Not true, want to see how?
The game Postal sold 200,000 copies WORLDwide
63,000 members on Gamespot say they have Halo 2.
[QUOTE="Banana03"]You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"wulfgar31k
It would also KILL the image for the Wii that is doing so well. You know the whole for everbody thing. If Nintendo allowed an AO game on their system it would do more harm to the system then good.
Besides I think well see an E rating on Manhunt 2 before Nintendo agrees to put anything above M on the WII.
How would it kill the image? How would it kill the image that it is for everybody? That is such an absurd statement.
Nintendo isn't the only one notallowing an AO rated game on their systems. Microsoft and Sony both have a policy against the making of AO rated gamesfor theirgame systems. If you look for AO rated games, they will only be found on older consoles, before the rule was made, and on PC. They still might release Manhunt 2 on PS2 and Wii but with an M rating.
[QUOTE="wulfgar31k"][QUOTE="Banana03"]You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"Banana03
It would also KILL the image for the Wii that is doing so well. You know the whole for everbody thing. If Nintendo allowed an AO game on their system it would do more harm to the system then good.
Besides I think well see an E rating on Manhunt 2 before Nintendo agrees to put anything above M on the WII.
How would it kill the image? How would it kill the image that it is for everybody? That is such an absurd statement.
Don;t you get it?! Even if nintendo allowed it, retailers will not sell it.
Well i think it makes the rating system completely useless. If they arent even gonna let the public decide if they want to buy a game andthe hardware company is gonna make the decision for us then the hell with them. The whole rating system is there as a safeguard so parents can decide if they want there litle bundles of joy playing mature themed games. And as so many people are so eager to point out these days that the average gamer is not a kid but a 20-30 something adult, I think its a real slap in the face. If Sony or Nintendo dont want to develop AO rated titles but a third party wants to release it, so what? That doesnt reflect on Sony or Nintendo, but on the software company. And they would be the ones to take the financial loss, not the hardware company. So dont give me this crap about how Sony and Nintendo want to protect there image. This really grinds my gears. They can all goto hell. And I think the "mature gamers" should really voice their opinion about this. BULLS*ITborn2runak
It certainly does reflect on the console manufacturer: thinking otherwise is naive.
And they have every right to decide that software is available for their system.
Well i think it makes the rating system completely useless. If they arent even gonna let the public decide if they want to buy a game andthe hardware company is gonna make the decision for us then the hell with them. The whole rating system is there as a safeguard so parents can decide if they want there litle bundles of joy playing mature themed games. And as so many people are so eager to point out these days that the average gamer is not a kid but a 20-30 something adult, I think its a real slap in the face. If Sony or Nintendo dont want to develop AO rated titles but a third party wants to release it, so what? That doesnt reflect on Sony or Nintendo, but on the software company. And they would be the ones to take the financial loss, not the hardware company. So dont give me this crap about how Sony and Nintendo want to protect there image. This really grinds my gears. They can all goto hell. And I think the "mature gamers" should really voice their opinion about this. BULLS*ITborn2runak
I believe you should stop now while you're behind.
All that rant did was show that the console makers are right in their decision.
they are, manhunt 2 is coming to the wii
it's the BBFC that has banned it inUK NOT nintendo, and it's only banned across the british isles
plus there's RE4, and no more heroes coming to wii, which are both AO
monty_4256
You don't even know what you're talking about, do you? :P
[QUOTE="born2runak"]Well i think it makes the rating system completely useless. If they arent even gonna let the public decide if they want to buy a game andthe hardware company is gonna make the decision for us then the hell with them. The whole rating system is there as a safeguard so parents can decide if they want there litle bundles of joy playing mature themed games. And as so many people are so eager to point out these days that the average gamer is not a kid but a 20-30 something adult, I think its a real slap in the face. If Sony or Nintendo dont want to develop AO rated titles but a third party wants to release it, so what? That doesnt reflect on Sony or Nintendo, but on the software company. And they would be the ones to take the financial loss, not the hardware company. So dont give me this crap about how Sony and Nintendo want to protect there image. This really grinds my gears. They can all goto hell. And I think the "mature gamers" should really voice their opinion about this. BULLS*ITSpelunker
It certainly does reflect on the console manufacturer: thinking otherwise is naive.
And they have every right to decide that software is available for their system.
I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
born2runak
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
[QUOTE="born2runak"]Well i think it makes the rating system completely useless. If they arent even gonna let the public decide if they want to buy a game andthe hardware company is gonna make the decision for us then the hell with them. The whole rating system is there as a safeguard so parents can decide if they want there litle bundles of joy playing mature themed games. And as so many people are so eager to point out these days that the average gamer is not a kid but a 20-30 something adult, I think its a real slap in the face. If Sony or Nintendo dont want to develop AO rated titles but a third party wants to release it, so what? That doesnt reflect on Sony or Nintendo, but on the software company. And they would be the ones to take the financial loss, not the hardware company. So dont give me this crap about how Sony and Nintendo want to protect there image. This really grinds my gears. They can all goto hell. And I think the "mature gamers" should really voice their opinion about this. BULLS*ITJaysonguy
I believe you should stop now while you're behind.
All that rant did was show that the console makers are right in their decision.
Yes , my being PO'ed exactly shows why an AO game should not be released, you're absolultey right. Sure, if I was addressing congress, i might have used better words, but, oh yes yes , you're absolutley right..... Oh, and see my previous post.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Same reason Sony isn't.
These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.
It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.
Sonick54
Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?
This pretty much sums it up, these two qoutes explain it all.
[QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
Jaysonguy
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
born2runak
Let me just ask you one question
Why is it wrong for them to decide not to release the game but right for you to decide you want to play it?
Hurting the image? By just carrying a game. I wish these companies wouldn't give a s*** about what these nonsense religious groups or overprotective parents thought. If its AO it won't get to their sheltered kids. And it would sell well just for the fact that it is AO and all the controversy it is causing.
Banana03
It has nothing to do with "nonsense" religious groups or "overprotective" parents. It's the public at large that would be upset.
[QUOTE="Banana03"]You can bet your ass that if by the crazy chance Nintendo grew some balls and this game was released with an AO rating, it would get major press by news outlets with thier "outrage"wulfgar31k
It would also KILL the image for the Wii that is doing so well. You know the whole for everbody thing. If Nintendo allowed an AO game on their system it would do more harm to the system then good.
Besides I think well see an E rating on Manhunt 2 before Nintendo agrees to put anything above M on the WII.
I Believe that Nintendo will agree for the M rating after the previous failure with the M market that they let go on the GC console, so we can expect the M rating for PS3 also XBOX360 but no AO games for consoles.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
born2runak
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
Except that movie theaters DO sometimes decide that they don't want to show certain titles. NC17 is refered to as the kiss of death for a movie as some people won't carry it.
This isn't about right or wrong or censorship or people making decisions about what you can see and can't see. What it is about is that there are many people who get just as pissed at seeing the theater carry the movie, or Nintendo carry the game that they refuse to buy the system or any other games for it as a result. It's simply not worth taking a far greater number of people who will be pissed and losing their business entirely than satisfying a much much smaller group of people and getting them to buy ONE game.
[QUOTE="born2runak"]Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
Jaysonguy
Let me just ask you one question
Why is it wrong for them to decide not to release the game but right for you to decide you want to play it?
LMAO.. I'll let you slap yourself for asking a question like that. I'm gonna bet 20 bucks that youre one of those christian crusader types. But ok, I'll bite. I'm the consumer. As such, I pay the salaries for the game industry (overgeneralization, Iknow, but seeing as you are a....Ill be nice.....misguided individual, I will state that since I know you want to tell me how I dont really pay the salaries of the people in the gaming industry) it should be left to the consumer to decide if they want an AO title or not. SORRY Hillary and Lieberman, I can actually decide on morality for myself.
Look, I'm concedingon the point that the Company has a right to protect their reputation. All I'm saying is that it's a ridicuolus reason. For reasons I've already stated. And since I have better things to do than argue with a....misguided individual... I am going to go and support the company that I morally and ethically disagree with, by buying one of their video games.
P.S. No offense intended on any of my rants. look, You can play devils advocate all you want, but I dont like censorship. I feel its demeaning and quite frankly offensive. I'm just giving my 2 cents worth;)
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
born2runak
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Here, Ill use your own argument against you. Most movie theaters will NOT show NC-17 rated flix. Why do you think movie companies don't make them? Because they will NOT get shown. If they do get that rating, they usually go back and edit it so that it will get a R rating.
Same thing happens with R rated movies. The movie companies know they can hit a larger audience if it was PG-13. Which is why you see a lot of movies PG-13 and then a "Director's Cut" version come out on DVD. They edit down to get that rating, to make more money. This happens 99% of the time, unless the director or studio doesnt want to "water-down" their movie.
The rating system is good. The game companies KNOW that Nintendo, Sony, and Mircosoft will not allow an AO rated game. Rockstar thought it would get an M, Im sure. Im sure, too, that they will edit and try to get that M rating.
You can think for yourself, no one said you couldn't, but without some type of restrictions, people that shouldnt get games like that, will wind up with them.
Geez...your arguments areso bad, Im having a hard time arguing against them!
You are comparing apples to oranges when comparing a AO rating to a movie R rating. It should be more like comparing a M rated game with a R rated movie. and a AO rated game to a NC-17 or X rated movie. You see both R rated and M rated movies and games all the time, but you will never see a AO rated game sold or a NC-17 or X rated movie in the theater (with a few exceptions...Showgirls comes to mind...lol)
[QUOTE="born2runak"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
kokopelli76
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
Except that movie theaters DO sometimes decide that they don't want to show certain titles. NC17 is refered to as the kiss of death for a movie as some people won't carry it.
This isn't about right or wrong or censorship or people making decisions about what you can see and can't see. What it is about is that there are many people who get just as pissed at seeing the theater carry the movie, or Nintendo carry the game that they refuse to buy the system or any other games for it as a result. It's simply not worth taking a far greater number of people who will be pissed and losing their business entirely than satisfying a much much smaller group of people and getting them to buy ONE game.
Except that it's usally a minority of people that actually take offense. Such as the Soccer moms who are far busier trying to bang the milkman than actulally paying attention to what their kids is listeningto/reading/playing/watching.
OK I really have to stop. I have"Adult" stuff to do. Love to tell you what it is but Im not so I dont offend you.
LMAO.. I'll let you slap yourself for asking a question like that. I'm gonna bet 20 bucks that youre one of those christian crusader types. But ok, I'll bite. I'm the consumer. As such, I pay the salaries for the game industry (overgeneralization, Iknow, but seeing as you are a....Ill be nice.....misguided individual, I will state that since I know you want to tell me how I dont really pay the salaries of the people in the gaming industry) it should be left to the consumer to decide if they want an AO title or not. SORRY Hillary and Lieberman, I can actually decide on morality for myself.
Look, I'm concedingon the point that the Company has a right to protect their reputation. All I'm saying is that it's a ridicuolus reason. For reasons I've already stated. And since I have better things to do than argue with a....misguided individual... I am going to go and support the company that I morally and ethically disagree with, by buying one of their video games.
P.S. No offense intended on any of my rants. look, You can play devils advocate all you want, but I dont like censorship. I feel its demeaning and quite frankly offensive. I'm just giving my 2 cents worth;)
born2runak
No, not a religious right winger of any sort lol
Remember that all three console makers are multi BILLION dollar businesses and their grasp on the market share changes day by day. When you buck the system like you're suggesting you risk the chance of losing millions of customers and you'll NEVER make it up in that risk.
You bring up the theater and that's a good one but I'll throw this one out too. Let's say you have the average family theater that has 20 viewing areas in it. They carry movies from G to R. Now someone like you suggest that they buck the system and start showing triple X movies in some of the areas. Do you think that's going to hurt the sales in the rest of the theater?
Will people only look at the makers of the film or will they also link the theater in it too as far as what theater they're going to go to?
[QUOTE="born2runak"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
cpaschal
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Here, Ill use your own argument against you. Most movie theaters will NOT show NC-17 rated flix. Why do you think movie companies don't make them? Because they will NOT get shown. If they do get that rating, they usually go back and edit it so that it will get a R rating.
Same thing happens with R rated movies. The movie companies know they can hit a larger audience if it was PG-13. Which is why you see a lot of movies PG-13 and then a "Director's Cut" version come out on DVD. They edit down to get that rating, to make more money. This happens 99% of the time, unless the director or studio doesnt want to "water-down" their movie.
The rating system is good. The game companies KNOW that Nintendo, Sony, and Mircosoft will not allow an AO rated game. Rockstar thought it would get an M, Im sure. Im sure, too, that they will edit and try to get that M rating.
You can think for yourself, no one said you couldn't, but without some type of restrictions, people that shouldnt get games like that, will wind up with them.
Geez...your arguments areso bad, Im having a hard time arguing against them!
I can name several NC17 movies that, believe it or not, were shown in theaters. And Isaid Im conceding the issue, But I dont agree with it. Geez, last time I ever give an opinion here, The video game Nazis jump all over you.
[QUOTE="born2runak"]LMAO.. I'll let you slap yourself for asking a question like that. I'm gonna bet 20 bucks that youre one of those christian crusader types. But ok, I'll bite. I'm the consumer. As such, I pay the salaries for the game industry (overgeneralization, Iknow, but seeing as you are a....Ill be nice.....misguided individual, I will state that since I know you want to tell me how I dont really pay the salaries of the people in the gaming industry) it should be left to the consumer to decide if they want an AO title or not. SORRY Hillary and Lieberman, I can actually decide on morality for myself.
Look, I'm concedingon the point that the Company has a right to protect their reputation. All I'm saying is that it's a ridicuolus reason. For reasons I've already stated. And since I have better things to do than argue with a....misguided individual... I am going to go and support the company that I morally and ethically disagree with, by buying one of their video games.
P.S. No offense intended on any of my rants. look, You can play devils advocate all you want, but I dont like censorship. I feel its demeaning and quite frankly offensive. I'm just giving my 2 cents worth;)
Jaysonguy
No, not a religious right winger of any sort lol
Remember that all three console makers are multi BILLION dollar businesses and their grasp on the market share changes day by day. When you buck the system like you're suggesting you risk the chance of losing millions of customers and you'll NEVER make it up in that risk.
You bring up the theater and that's a good one but I'll throw this one out too. Let's say you have the average family theater that has 20 viewing areas in it. They carry movies from G to R. Now someone like you suggest that they buck the system and start showing triple X movies in some of the areas. Do you think that's going to hurt the sales in the rest of the theater?
Will people only look at the makers of the film or will they also link the theater in it too as far as what theater they're going to go to?
Well, 1. thats quita a jump from R to NC17 to XXX. Unless Manhunt has some hardcore porn that I dont know about, I'd say the analogy is slightyl off.
2. Personally, if i was to get offended , then yes it would be at the makers of the film, the makers of the game. Let me put it this way. Have you ever seen that computer game that re enacts the shooting of JFK? Or that White supremacist Comp. game where the character shoots Minority groups? Based off of those 2 games, should the computer makers stop making computers to play software because some moron might develop an offensive game. Last i checked , Computers were still being made to play software.
And , No, I dont think that one AO game is gonna cause The video game stock market crash of 2007. People might be offended, sure, Everyone is always offended at something. But people arent gonna cause any long term ramifications for the same reason that I wont boycott games, because they ARE a multibillion dollar industry and we like to play video games.
Ok, i really do have stuff to do, so Ill check back later.
[QUOTE="cpaschal"][QUOTE="born2runak"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.
born2runak
It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world
Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.
You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole. Here, Ill use your own argument against you. Most movie theaters will NOT show NC-17 rated flix. Why do you think movie companies don't make them? Because they will NOT get shown. If they do get that rating, they usually go back and edit it so that it will get a R rating.
Same thing happens with R rated movies. The movie companies know they can hit a larger audience if it was PG-13. Which is why you see a lot of movies PG-13 and then a "Director's Cut" version come out on DVD. They edit down to get that rating, to make more money. This happens 99% of the time, unless the director or studio doesnt want to "water-down" their movie.
The rating system is good. The game companies KNOW that Nintendo, Sony, and Mircosoft will not allow an AO rated game. Rockstar thought it would get an M, Im sure. Im sure, too, that they will edit and try to get that M rating.
You can think for yourself, no one said you couldn't, but without some type of restrictions, people that shouldnt get games like that, will wind up with them.
Geez...your arguments areso bad, Im having a hard time arguing against them!
I can name several NC17 movies that, believe it or not, were shown in theaters. And Isaid Im conceding the issue, But I dont agree with it. Geez, last time I ever give an opinion here, The video game Nazis jump all over you.
You are correct, but these movies were all flops, the studios lost a lot of cash and took a huge hit with their reputation. Most movies that got a NC-17 rating were edited to get an R, examples: American Pie, Saw, Boondock Saints, ... Only one NC-17 movie was ever opened to a wide release...and that was Showgirls. And we know how that turned out.
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