Why is Nintendo not allowing AO games on the system?

[QUOTE="kokopelli76"][QUOTE="born2runak"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="born2runak"]

I guess this is where we have different philosophies. I believe that the hardware should exist to serve the software, not the other way around.

born2runak

It's not about what you think or believe, it's how the world works and how much public image means in today's world

Look, i'm not saying that the world is perfect, I of all people know that the world is a horrible place, And i know that some fat cat business man is more concerned with his image to keep his pockets nice and full, but, I think this whole thing is just ridiculous. I honestly think it makes the whole rating system pointless. It like if a movie theater decided it was no longer going to show R rated flicks. Why? If it's R rated presumably that means that is is limited to the type of person that can see the movie. The film company knew this going in and making an R rated flick, knowing that they just limited possible ticket buyers excluding them based on their age. So why do I need the Movie Theater to take the Moral High Ground for me? Oh thats right, I'm an easily led automaton, without the ability to think for myself.

Except that movie theaters DO sometimes decide that they don't want to show certain titles. NC17 is refered to as the kiss of death for a movie as some people won't carry it.

This isn't about right or wrong or censorship or people making decisions about what you can see and can't see. What it is about is that there are many people who get just as pissed at seeing the theater carry the movie, or Nintendo carry the game that they refuse to buy the system or any other games for it as a result. It's simply not worth taking a far greater number of people who will be pissed and losing their business entirely than satisfying a much much smaller group of people and getting them to buy ONE game.

Except that it's usally a minority of people that actually take offense. Such as the Soccer moms who are far busier trying to bang the milkman than actulally paying attention to what their kids is listeningto/reading/playing/watching.

OK I really have to stop. I have"Adult" stuff to do. Love to tell you what it is but Im not so I dont offend you.

The only thing correct about what you said is that you have to stop. And I never said I was one of the ones offended. Personally I could care less if this game sells or does not sell. And despite what your FEELINGS on how many and who take offense to what, the numbers say different.

Since you seem to again miss the point, lets assume that the number of people who wish to purchase said game and the number of people offended by the game are equal (they are in fact not by a large margin). If this is the case and the offended people don't buy a system or any games or stop buying games for the system they have, how is that a better business decision? Answer, it's not.

When you are off doing your "Adult" things, remember that adults have to make money to provide for things like a roof over their heads, food, a car, insurance and other adult things. It's all well and good to babble about your rights, but when it comes down to a business decision about what puts food on your plate or not, you choose the one that does. This is reality, adapt or die.

There's people who didn't get it. Sony and Microsoft also don't want to have AO games. The more I hear about this game the more I hate it. Infact, I pratically hate Rockstar with their nonsense violent games. Maybe that's why I found GTA as a huge overrated game.

Don't call me a religious right wing guy. I'm not that type of guy. I can see freedom in expression but this is too much.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Same reason Sony isn't.

These companies have to deal with their public image and what they showcase on their systems reflects on them. Since both companies have been so popular with their mass appeal it makes perfect business sense to not sell the game.

It doesn't do either company any good to hurt their image to sell to a microscopic part of the gamer world. Rockstar will tone it down and each console will get an M rated game. No one will mind the M rated game compared to the AO version and the ones who don't aren't important because they don't reflect a large enough number of consumers.

Sonick54

Not to mention sales wil be non existant. Retail stores can't even sell it :?

I know, it would be just a waste of money.

[QUOTE="Banana03"]

Hurting the image? By just carrying a game. I wish these companies wouldn't give a s*** about what these nonsense religious groups or overprotective parents thought. If its AO it won't get to their sheltered kids. And it would sell well just for the fact that it is AO and all the controversy it is causing.

Dr_Corndog

It has nothing to do with "nonsense" religious groups or "overprotective" parents. It's the public at large that would be upset.

Public would be upset? That is the problem with people, they constantly find something that doesn't even concern them tob**** about. If you don't like the game, don't buy it. But don't make it so other people can't buy it.

The only thing correct about what you said is that you have to stop. And I never said I was one of the ones offended. Personally I could care less if this game sells or does not sell. And despite what your FEELINGS on how many and who take offense to what, the numbers say different.

Since you seem to again miss the point, lets assume that the number of people who wish to purchase said game and the number of people offended by the game are equal (they are in fact not by a large margin). If this is the case and the offended people don't buy a system or any games or stop buying games for the system they have, how is that a better business decision? Answer, it's not.

When you are off doing your "Adult" things, remember that adults have to make money to provide for things like a roof over their heads, food, a car, insurance and other adult things. It's all well and good to babble about your rights, but when it comes down to a business decision about what puts food on your plate or not, you choose the one that does. This is reality, adapt or die.

First off, i didnt miss the point. I gave my opinion that i think it should be released. Second if all the "offended " people dont buy it, so what. I find it highly unlikely that that every system owner owns a particular game. A game comes out, some are popular, some arent. Certainly a publisher knows if they have a crappy game coming out. The fact that it may not sell a ton of copies doesnt stop the fact that it is relesed. Controversy sells. If a game were to be released as an AO (and especially if it was an awesome game) It would sell like hot cakes. My movie analogy people took out of context. - Making the point that there arenc 17 movies available much like there should AO titles. Sure some suck - the only thing good about Show girls was the strip club. Bad Lieutentant , however, IMO was a good flick. Im not saying that an AO title makes for a great release, just that it should be available. And give me a break about putting food on plates. Trust me, the game designers and publishers are not starving. Games are over priced as it is. You wanna feel sorry for them, go to africa, find a village of people starving and suffering from disease because rich peolple making games for your system dont want to make a sacrifice to help fellow human beings out. thats reality my friend, your silver spoon is just a deception.

[QUOTE="Dr_Corndog"][QUOTE="Banana03"]

Hurting the image? By just carrying a game. I wish these companies wouldn't give a s*** about what these nonsense religious groups or overprotective parents thought. If its AO it won't get to their sheltered kids. And it would sell well just for the fact that it is AO and all the controversy it is causing.

Banana03

It has nothing to do with "nonsense" religious groups or "overprotective" parents. It's the public at large that would be upset.

Public would be upset? That is the problem with people, they constantly find something that doesn't even concern them tob**** about. If you don't like the game, don't buy it. But don't make it so other people can't buy it.

Thank you, that all im trying to say, sheesh

There's people who didn't get it. Sony and Microsoft also don't want to have AO games. The more I hear about this game the more I hate it. Infact, I pratically hate Rockstar with their nonsense violent games. Maybe that's why I found GTA as a huge overrated game.

Don't call me a religious right wing guy. I'm not that type of guy. I can see freedom in expression but this is too much.

chris3116

ya i agree, ive always hated rockstar games, none of their games have a real story behind it, its just kill people the most brutal way possible

Really makes no sense at all. Asa 21 year old gamer planning on buying the game, it really pisses me off.

Banana03

[QUOTE="Banana03"]

Really makes no sense at all. Asa 21 year old gamer planning on buying the game, it really pisses me off.

FearNeutron

Excellent point

First off, i didnt miss the point. I gave my opinion that i think it should be released. Second if all the "offended " people dont buy it, so what. I find it highly unlikely that that every system owner owns a particular game. A game comes out, some are popular, some arent. Certainly a publisher knows if they have a crappy game coming out. The fact that it may not sell a ton of copies doesnt stop the fact that it is relesed. Controversy sells. If a game were to be released as an AO (and especially if it was an awesome game) It would sell like hot cakes. My movie analogy people took out of context. - Making the point that there arenc 17 movies available much like there should AO titles. Sure some suck - the only thing good about Show girls was the strip club. Bad Lieutentant , however, IMO was a good flick. Im not saying that an AO title makes for a great release, just that it should be available. And give me a break about putting food on plates. Trust me, the game designers and publishers are not starving. Games are over priced as it is. You wanna feel sorry for them, go to africa, find a village of people starving and suffering from disease because rich peolple making games for your system dont want to make a sacrifice to help fellow human beings out. thats reality my friend, your silver spoon is just a deception.

born2runak

Could you try again, only this time translate your rant about starving children in Africa into a series of english sentences that makes sense? Silver spoon? What?

You want the answer to your original question? It's money. Nintendo (you know the one making all this money) doesn't want to stop making money. Stockholders, investors, and the executives like to make money. The surest way to do this is to not do things that offend large groups of people. All your analogies aside, this game offends people.

The crutial difference between this game and a movie is that a movie does not require a particular brand of player to display it. There are tons of different theaters, some of which don't mind associating themselves with things like this. Many different brands of DVD players for playback of DVD's. When the game comes out for "Nintendo Wii" there isn't much choice in that matter. In that way they tie themselves to that other company.

Parents don't want the console that's associated with that kind of thing for their children. This cuts off part of the intended audience, and does not fit with Nintendo's phillosophy of a broad market. They are not willing to take the risk of satisfying a small minority (and the people that are interested in this game are just that) with the potential to alienate a much larger majority or even portion thereof.

You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but the answer is pretty simple. It happens in far more areas than you would think, there are many things in this world that a small minority likes, but the principles of capitalism dictate that the majority and the money win.