Wii Music must fail . . .

The idea that all you have to do is wave your Wiimote around to make music is silly-Despacio-

Yes, it is silly, which is why millions of children are going to love this game. Fifteen years from now, internet forums are going to be loaded with people reminiscing about how awesome Wii Music was and how it got them into games, even though it wasn't really a game at all.

You just have to face the fact that what you once loved won't necessarily grow and change with you. You aren't complaining about how Fisher Price isn't making fully functioning orange cars with yellow tops to fit your current needs, are you? Nope, they're still making the same old toy cars with the hole in the bottom and the little red horn that makes a pathetic little squeak when you press it.

I know you're not going to like the comparison of Nintendo to Fisher Price, and obviously it's not a very fair one. Nintendo wants to cater to everyone from 5 to 95.... That's their slogan right now. Wii Music appeals to the five-year olds. Bottom line. They promised products like that, and they're delivering.

They also promised products for the ones who grew up with games. They've already delivered several, and it's going to take some time for Nintendo itself to churn out more of them. In the meantime, many people in this thread have brought up third-party games that appeal to us seasoned gamers.

Heck, if it were not for games like Sega's Mad World and High Voltage's The Conduit coming early next year, I'd put my Wii on eBay right now and just buy a Wii about a year from now when some devs could do some interesting things with Wiimotion+.

-Despacio-

I don't get it. For the first near 2 years or so of the Wii's life people go "where's third party, where's third party? where the **** is third party?!

Third party is here people. This post proves it. Yet instead of saying yes! third party games! I see "where's first party, where's first party? where the **** is first party?! screw it, I'm selling my wii"

can't you be satisfied?

Wii Sports and Wii Fit sold millions and millions of copies.. honestly do you really think Wii Music failing is going to stop Nintendo from making these types of games? I mean, they're already going to release Wii Sports Resort after which will easily sell through the roof.

hey, Jordan has a very good point here: there is such a thing as a children's game. But then again, why isn't Nintendo marketing this as a children's game?klarfis

I was actually thinking the same thing as I typed up my last response. The visual of the E3 demo popped into my head; rather than having a stage full of children, they used adults all of approximately the same age. Maybe there was a lack of available children, or maybe the kids just sounded too horrible to provide a good live demo (though the adults sucked any way).

The real advertising campaign hasn't started yet; my guess is that the trailers will show people of all ages enjoying the game. That's what all of Nintendo's trailers have been like so far.

Since you seem a bit worried, I thought it would be a good idea to share my possibly encouraging thoughts. Should Wii Music sell like hotcakes, which it probably will, Nintendo will go about doing what it would be doing if this game didn't succeed. The success and/or failure of this game has little chance to affect what other games will be released. If that was the case, the DS wouldn't have seen New Super Mario Bros., Star Fox Command, or Zelda: Phantom Hourglass when the Brain Ages and Nintendogs of the world sold like mad. Just because what you heard at E3 didn't tickle you fancy doesn't mean that this game will be terrible. If anything, history indicates that this game will actually do quite well for itself, even if the challenge level isn't that of other music games. Heck, considering how insanely crazy some music games can be, this might make Wii Music very appealing.

As for Nintendo's upcoming lineup, I think what you're seeing is the result of Nintendo using the majority of its biggest cards earlier than usual. When I saw how close games like Metroid, Mario, and SSB would be to each other, this is one of the things I feared the most. This incident is much bigger than Wii Music, and it's really unfair that's it's getting such a negative response right now. And for those getting a Wii, this shouldn't have much of an effect on them, as there are plenty of games already available that can be picked up and enjoyed. I suppose that is the advantage of doing what Nintendo did, and I highly doubt that people will hold off a few months just to see what's down the line when they can enjoy what's already there now.

On the contrary to your opinions, I hardly have any excitement at all in regards to most of the third party efforts and really not looking forward to many non-Nintendo efforts at all. A lot of people are going to kill me for this, but if I had to choose between preordering Wii Music or MadWorld/Conduit, I would put my money on Wii Music in a heartbeat. My faith in Nintendo is not shaken to the point where I've immeadiately disregarded this game as enjoyable, and my confidence in third party efforts of late have not been nearly encouraging enough to go nuts for any game I know little about. I'm all for new IPs, but when so many developers have struggled implimenting the system's interface the way they have, I can't help but associate the upcoming games as potential disappointments and shovelware that we've already seen to some degree. This is definitely not the way I envisioned the Wii from the get go, but it is what it is at this present moment (this does not include Capcom, though, who have done extremely well on the system to this point).

Wishing ill on a game that Nintendo seems to have put as much time in as the other "Wii" brand efforts doesn't sound like a very good idea, if you ask me. What it's saying is that it's better to see and assume than it is to play the game, and that's not oftentimes the best move. I hope that the game gets exactly the sales that it deserves, as that is the only way Nintendo can truly address what it's doing and where it can go from here.

[QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Let's go with my idea

Durhamster

Letting people play what they want is a bad idea?

Just tell me when you want to start.

It has everything to do with it

You're making yourself perfectly clear.

[QUOTE="Durhamster"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="randomguy15"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Let's go with my idea

gam3r3OOO

Letting people play what they want is a bad idea?

Just tell me when you want to start.

It has everything to do with it

You're making yourself perfectly clear.

Why Wii Music must SALE

Ok, so if Wii Music fails what do you think Nintendo would do. They would try new ways to get non-gamers to enjoy the Wii. They would keep trying new things and they might ignore the hardcore gamers even more.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

It's a just game. It reminds me of Mario Paint for the SNES. Just a toy. Nintendo isn't abandoning anything or anyone. In fact, I feel they are very well aware of all types of games. Reggie himself said he would like to see a GTA on the Wii, likes BioShock and hopes more games like that come out, and totally appreciates LBP and Halo.

But N always catered to family. They are just more successful with it than ever.

DaBrainz

Oh man I was just about to bring up Mario Paint!

The point is that if people really have been with Nintendo for a long time they would realize they were always like this. Rob, power pad, super scope, virtual boy, all things that were different, made by nintendo and didn't destroy gaming.

That's because they all failed hard so Nintendo moved on to better things. Wii Music will not fail hard. Not that it's even hardware...

[QUOTE="-Despacio-"]The idea that all you have to do is wave your Wiimote around to make music is sillyJordanElek

Yes, it is silly, which is why millions of children are going to love this game. Fifteen years from now, internet forums are going to be loaded with people reminiscing about how awesome Wii Music was and how it got them into games, even though it wasn't really a game at all.

You just have to face the fact that what you once loved won't necessarily grow and change with you. You aren't complaining about how Fisher Price isn't making fully functioning orange cars with yellow tops to fit your current needs, are you? Nope, they're still making the same old toy cars with the hole in the bottom and the little red horn that makes a pathetic little squeak when you press it.

I know you're not going to like the comparison of Nintendo to Fisher Price, and obviously it's not a very fair one. Nintendo wants to cater to everyone from 5 to 95.... That's their slogan right now. Wii Music appeals to the five-year olds. Bottom line. They promised products like that, and they're delivering.

They also promised products for the ones who grew up with games. They've already delivered several, and it's going to take some time for Nintendo itself to churn out more of them. In the meantime, many people in this thread have brought up third-party games that appeal to us seasoned gamers.

i dont agree with u....back in the nes days i fell in love with nintendo for games like mario,kid ikarus,donkey kong,zelda,castelvania,battletoads,metroid,contra,ninja gaiden,megaman.........and so on....not games that u just listen and look at......games that requires you to master before finishing them and get stuck in the mind of the gamer.

Casual games are the only reason Wii is the best selling system this gen. The people who buy them are casuals. Therefore, you are wrong.GamerBoy53

No, you're wrong

The advanced gamers is what pulled Nintendo ahead of everyone, the "casual" market (which is very small by the way, less then 10% of all sales in NA and Japan) are what adds extra distance.

I just hope that Wii Music is as versatile a tool as Mario Paint. I mean, Mario Paint had multiple modes, each with the ability to do pretty complex constructions. You could draw, create animations, or compose music, or play a few mouse mini-games. I mean, I was just a kid at the time, so maybe I'm overstating the "complexity" angle, but the fact is that it was a well rounded set of toolsthat you could use to create something. If Wii music doesn't give me the ability to create anything but an ever-so-slightly different version of the same old tunes...why would I care?klarfis

I agree. Keeping with Mario Paint styl, in Wii Music you should be able to make your own songs in the game or import your own. If you could do that Wii Music would be worth it.

Music/Ruythm game like Guitar Hero and Rock Band are "OK" games but i do agree that Nintendo has made a bad choice (for music) in most of their games.

[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"] Casual games are the only reason Wii is the best selling system this gen. The people who buy them are casuals. Therefore, you are wrong.Jaysonguy

No, you're wrong

The advanced gamers is what pulled Nintendo ahead of everyone, the "casual" market (which is very small by the way, less then 10% of all sales in NA and Japan) are what adds extra distance.

I never thought I'd say this, but I hope it does fail. Nintendo, and other developers, need to learn that the wii needs real games, not toys and minigame collections.

Addedto the fact that it's going to retail for full price, i can't call wii music anything other than a rip off

i dont agree with u....back in the nes days i fell in love with nintendo for games like mario,kid ikarus,donkey kong,zelda,castelvania,battletoads,metroid,contra,ninja gaiden,megaman.........and so on....not games that u just listen and look at......games that requires you to master before finishing them and get stuck in the mind of the gamer. fyor

We didn't have something like Wii Music in the NES days. Plus, the games you mentioned are all incredibly simplistic. They're difficult, they provide a challenge, but a five-year old could pick them up and play. Look at the games these days of the same franchises you mentioned. Could your average five-year old pick up any of them and be able to master them as we did the originals? Maybe Mario.... that's about it. Look at Metroid, for example. A little kid might wander around for a long time and have fun, but he won't master it.

Most of the games made for small children these days are apparently terrible. None of us would really know, though, since we don't play them. Nintendo still makes its games widely appealing enough for small children to enjoy, but kids can't be the primary target any more, since gaming has evolved to a complexity that doesn't allow such simplicity. Nintendo, however, realized this and created the Wii in response to this problem (they even experimented with this with the Gamecube... the giant A button was to provide simplicity), and Wii Music is one of the most blatant attempts to achieve a simplicity that everyone can enjoy. Not that everyone will enjoy, but that everyone can enjoy.

I seriously hope that one of my little cousins gets this game once it comes out so I can play it with them on holidays. I guarantee it will be an absolute blast.

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="-Despacio-"]The idea that all you have to do is wave your Wiimote around to make music is sillyfyor

Yes, it is silly, which is why millions of children are going to love this game. Fifteen years from now, internet forums are going to be loaded with people reminiscing about how awesome Wii Music was and how it got them into games, even though it wasn't really a game at all.

You just have to face the fact that what you once loved won't necessarily grow and change with you. You aren't complaining about how Fisher Price isn't making fully functioning orange cars with yellow tops to fit your current needs, are you? Nope, they're still making the same old toy cars with the hole in the bottom and the little red horn that makes a pathetic little squeak when you press it.

I know you're not going to like the comparison of Nintendo to Fisher Price, and obviously it's not a very fair one. Nintendo wants to cater to everyone from 5 to 95.... That's their slogan right now. Wii Music appeals to the five-year olds. Bottom line. They promised products like that, and they're delivering.

They also promised products for the ones who grew up with games. They've already delivered several, and it's going to take some time for Nintendo itself to churn out more of them. In the meantime, many people in this thread have brought up third-party games that appeal to us seasoned gamers.

i dont agree with u....back in the nes days i fell in love with nintendo for games like mario,kid ikarus,donkey kong,zelda,castelvania,battletoads,metroid,contra,ninja gaiden,megaman.........and so on....not games that u just listen and look at......games that requires you to master before finishing them and get stuck in the mind of the gamer.

yeah kids will probably love it, but I don't see any kid above 4 years old playing it, my cousin is 3 and he plays new super mario bros. I could only play mario bros decently at the age of 7 I think u should challenge nowadays kids not just make them press random buttons

Yes. It's very likely to fail. I mean, with Rock Band and Guitar Hero as the competition, they are destined to fail. Seriously. I don't see a reason to buy it, unless you are a Nintendo fanboy or you really like the saxophone and those kind of instruments. Thiago26792

I bet that Wii music will out sell the wii versions of guitar hero and rock band

seriously there have been like 40 threads like this....its getting old

nintendo sucks e3 sucked....there are no new good games coming soon, get over it

seriously there have been like 40 threads like this....its getting old

nintendo sucks e3 sucked....there are no new good games coming soon, get over it

TheBeast789

yeah kids will probably love it, but I don't see any kid above 4 years old playing it, my cousin is 3 and he plays new super mario bros. I could only play mario bros decently at the age of 7 I think u should challenge nowadays kids not just make them press random buttonsLisandro_v22

What's the problem here? Young kids will play it, and older people can enjoy it with them. Wii Music isn't the only thing that Nintendo is offering for kids. Like I said, most of Nintendo's first party stuff can be enjoyed by little kids at least at some level, and they can be challenged by Mario and Zelda. Wii Music is meant to be a fun distraction that little kids can pick up and understand and annoy their parents with, until their parents show them how to do it right and probably have fun in the process.

The idea of Wii Music only makes sense if you put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's fine to say that you're not going to buy it; it's fine to say that you find nothing interesting about it; it's fine to say that you'd rather have another traditional game from Nintendo right now. But it's not fine to say that Wii Music is a terrible idea that no one will enjoy, because that's simply and obviously not true. See past yourself with an open mind and you'll see why Nintendo is pushing this game as something great.

Just to clear up the arguments:

1. You can't compare Wii Music to Mario Paint. Mario Paint relied on creativity. Wii Music relies on shaking the Wii remote to get the game to play music. You didn't waggle the mouse around and pretend to draw as you watched a picture get painted in Mario Paint. You drew the picture yourself.

2. Yes, this game will appeal to 5 year olds. But when I was 5, the games I found appealing included not only Mario Paint, but also games such as Super Mario World, Super Mario Kart, F-zero, Uniracers, Star Fox, and I even played Sim City with my older brother and dad.

3. This game is not comparable to rhythm games. Rhythm games are actually games in which you can win or lose based on your performance. As far as I know, you can't win or lose in Wii Music (but if you could I believe the E3 performance would have been a loss).

4. And to musicians who claim music based rhythm games are pointless and say that you should learn a real instrument instead, you have the right to feel this way. But many people find them to be extremely fun and satisfying experiences. And yes I am a huge fan of rhythm games and yes I also play drums in real life. And I can also clear most heavy songs in DDR with AAA scores but know I can't dance in real life. If a dancer gets offended that I play DDR I could care less. The same goes for people who play guitar versus those who play guitar hero.

[QUOTE="Lisandro_v22"]yeah kids will probably love it, but I don't see any kid above 4 years old playing it, my cousin is 3 and he plays new super mario bros. I could only play mario bros decently at the age of 7 I think u should challenge nowadays kids not just make them press random buttonsJordanElek

What's the problem here? Young kids will play it, and older people can enjoy it with them. Wii Music isn't the only thing that Nintendo is offering for kids. Like I said, most of Nintendo's first party stuff can be enjoyed by little kids at least at some level, and they can be challenged by Mario and Zelda. Wii Music is meant to be a fun distraction that little kids can pick up and understand and annoy their parents with, until their parents show them how to do it right and probably have fun in the process.

The idea of Wii Music only makes sense if you put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's fine to say that you're not going to buy it; it's fine to say that you find nothing interesting about it; it's fine to say that you'd rather have another traditional game from Nintendo right now. But it's not fine to say that Wii Music is a terrible idea that no one will enjoy, because that's simply and obviously not true. See past yourself with an open mind and you'll see why Nintendo is pushing this game as something great.

thinking about it....this isnt even a game.....beacuse u cant even play it.....u just watch listen and if u happen to be in the mood....move ur hand a little...but with no control.....so this is not a game.

thinking about it....this isnt even a game.....beacuse u cant even play it.....u just watch listen and if u happen to be in the mood....move ur hand a little...but with no control.....so this is not a game.fyor

Semantics. Doesn't change a thing about what this product actually is.

Honestly, I don't even see it appealing to small children all that much. Most children are already exposed to gaming, it's not like they're an untapped market. They're also not stupid, they can figure out when they're actually controlling something and when it's pretend. Children's minds are even more hungry for stimulation than an adult's mind, and I think they'll get frustrated when they realize it's all fake. I would expect my five year old nephew to play this for maybe a day or 2. Then the novelty of a new game will wear off and he'll go back to ninja turtles and mario galaxy.

That being said, I still expect it to be successful, but not as successful as other Nintendo titles.

EDIT: The drums may have some lasting value.

Honestly, I don't even see it appealing to small children all that much. Most children are already exposed to gaming, it's not like they're an untapped market. They're also not stupid, they can figure out when they're actually controlling something and when it's pretend. Children's minds are even more hungry for stimulation than an adult's mind, and I think they'll get frustrated when they realize it's all fake. I would expect my five year old nephew to play this for maybe a day or 2. Then the novelty of a new game will wear off and he'll go back to ninja turtles and mario galaxy.

That being said, I still expect it to be successful, but not as successful as other Nintendo titles.

EDIT: The drums may have some lasting value.

presto7640

yeah i agree

Core gamers started abandoning Nintendo during the N64 days. This is why Nintendo had to do what they are doing. They couldn't survive on making these so-called "hard core" games alone. Lauckluster sales of GameCubes, GameCube games, and just about most other things made it self evident that most of these gamers have moved to other companies for whatever reason. Again, if that is all that Nintendo made, they would be out of business. Even some of the big Wii "core titles" have sold pathetically (Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki). Quite frankly, I am glad for it. Now I have a system that actually offers something new. I'm glad I am not playing using the same methods for the last ten years.TheLordMagnus

Are you serious? You're actually glad that some of the greatest games for the Wii sold badly? Also, are you saying that you're glad that the Wii mostly has shovelware games (Wii play, Majorleague eating, Dogz, etc)?