Wii Plagued By Fan Service Requests, Remake Wishes Hurting Gaming

Enthusiasts are really intent on trying to use the Wii to damage overall gaming, how?

Remakes!

People want the developers to stop making games that are new and just focus on making games AGAIN. Enthusiasts want their favorite series' redone. Resident Evil fans want their games redone for a SECOND time in the last decade. Zelda fans want OOT and every other Zelda game under the sun redone with Wiimote controls. Metroid fans want the Prime series redone with Wiimote controls.

So instead of moving gaming ahead these fans are more then happy to complain that gaming isn't being held back enough. That the biggest shame with the Wii is that it's not being used to recreate games that were released in 1998.

You also have people saying "well I never played them before", then go get them. Go get Resident Evil 2 and play it with the Gamecube controller, the way everyone else did at the time. Want to learn the story? Go play Umbrella Chronicles and fill in the blanks with a fan site (which will probably be inundated with remake requests to) Want to experience OOT for the first time? Go right on the Virtual Console for ten bucks and there you go. Want a high res Zelda adventure? Play Twilight Princess again.

This isn't about ports either. I don't mind a port so let's not start on that tangent in here ok?

This is about the constant requests that say that we need a remake of a game that any of us can go and play right now. That in most cases would need major overhauls and development time. Time that could be used for new games that we haven't played before.

The Wii has done a great job of showing us what the future of gaming could be like, don't you think we should stop trying to remake the past?

That in most cases would need major overhauls and development time. Time that could be used for new games that we haven't played before.Jaysonguy

Totally agree. Even though, people like the nostalgic feel remakes give them and, while enjoying a fresh new gen experience, they can still feel the old games.

I think the Virtual Console really helped lately though. People can now easily find their games which before were too old to be found.

I'm not against remakes (actually, games like Pokemon LF/FR turned out pretty cool results), so as long as they give some time before starting to remake games (like 10 years), I'm fine with it.

very good point, i agree, its good to have remakes and a full of oldies VC, but its not good to set this as a primary goal instead of developping new games for the wii.

How do you feel about Trauma center? Second Opinion being a remake for the Wii... I think a remake can be a great idea in some case.

I agree with you on the rest, if the kids want to play RE, go retro and play them on the original consoles.

Yeah I overall agree. What about sequels of thoses requestd remakes?:Pm_machine024

Very seldom do I support remakes. A waste of energy in my opinion.

I agree with your point that it's usually better for developers to spend time on new games rather than remakes. That's hardly debatable.

However, I don't see how gamer's wishes are hurting gaming. Are developers listening to the fans? In some cases, they should; in other cases, such as this one, they shouldn't. And they aren't. I can't think of one full-fledged remake of an old game on the Wii. There have been sequels and ports, but no remakes.

This will only be harmful to gaming if developers decide to fulfill these scattered fan service requests. But the only way I see this happening is through the WiiWare service, and I don't think that would be harmful at all. We already know of a Dr. Mario game, but you can hardly complain about that taking up serious development time, and it'll have online play. That's definitely not harmful to gaming.

We don't need remakes of old games... we need new, original games. The last remake I bought was Super Mario All-Stars, but that included The Lost Levels.

I don't think Nintendo would stoop that low today.

I pretty much agree with you. I haven't came to the Wii boards for months because so many people were just requesting remakes.

I understand the nostalgia, but really, we would be better served with sequels to those games or new games in general. I'd easily pay $100 for a new Jet Set Radio game with Wii controls for spraypainting, but I don't think I'd want Sega to waste time remaking the original (or the Xbox sequel) because I've already experienced those.

[QUOTE="m_machine024"]Yeah I overall agree. What about sequels of thoses requestd remakes?:Pwhoozwah

You should tell that to Square-Enix that remakes every Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest on GBA and DS. Square-Enix doesn't care anymore to bring new franchises. Since Square-Enix said they want to bring more Wii softwares in the near future, I hope it's new franchises that we will have. Also, tell that to PS3 fanboys who want a remade Final Fantasy 7 in HD.

The only remake I'd like to see is a Chrono Trigger.

In the Nintendo franchises, the only remakes I bought were on GBA. It was Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros 3 and they suck compared to the original/VC games.

I agree with you. Nintendo needs to focus their time in new games, rather than remakes of old ones. If those old games were so good why don't you want to play them as they originally were? Remakes can also ruin classics. It's better to play the classics as they were originally.Thiago26792

i think people want remakes because they have a warm fuzzy feeling associated with certain titles, wwe no mercy was mine then iwent back and played it and realized one big thing games are better in our minds then they were actually. played one single match laughed and went back to smackdown, were im going with this is gaming in general is plagued by remakes whether its a good or a bad game developers are wasting times they could be using on new project doing remakes putting something new in,, or in the case of the wii, the awsome wii remote aiming , which is something to be said about the wiiremote that people are starting to prefer it to standard controller setups especially for games requiring aimingskhellitor

That's funny! My buddy and I were playing No Mercy, Wrestlemania 2000 and WCW/NWO Revenge for a couple hours like 2 weeks ago and we had a blast. It was like we never stopped playing them. Epic matches as always. It helps that we have lots of created wrestlers to use that are based on ourselves and other people we know, love or hate. We prefer WWE Day of Reckoning 2 for the cube or SVR 2008 for 360 for our modern grappling, but we love to go back to the N64 games that started the entire push for realistic wrestling games in the first place. No remakes necessary. The Day of Reckoning series and the Smackdown series pushed the genre along just fine. Would be nice if Day of Reckoning 3 would be made, but THQ has put all their eggs in the SVR basket now. Oh well.....

I like remakes. Resident Evil for the Gamecube is a perfect example of how remakes are made. I liked it. They made an improvement. The graphics, voice acting, and they added new puzzles. I like to see originals made as well, but I would like remakes too, if the demand is there, there will be remakes. Remakes are being done everywhere not just in games. How many times in movies do we see remakes????

Yeah I overall agree. What about sequels of thoses requestd remakes?:Pm_machine024

Sequels I'm cool with

Someone read Jordan's blog

This also means I'm forced to reply to him in the next 24 hours lol

Someone read Jordan's blog

This also means I'm forced to reply to him in the next 24 hours lol

Jaysonguy

Damn right.

This isn't about ports either. I don't mind a port so let's not start on that tangent in here ok?

Jaysonguy

Wow... You don't mind ports, but you hate the Idea of a remake...

I don't know what to say...

A remake is really just a port from an older console, but is generally upgraded with better graphics, gameplay, more difficulty options, etc. While the typical port is nothing more than the same game moved to a diffrent console with, maybe, a few unimportant bonuses. So, in my opinion, remakes > ports.

So, from my perspective, you just contradicted yourself...

"but th3'/ sh0uld rem4k3 t3h oth3r g4m3!!!" this is all i hear people talking about and its good that you brought the topic to light. people should shut up about remaking old games with new changes. they are obviously ignorant to the fact that in doing so, it changes the game. it is o longer that game you remember, but something else. what would super mario bros. be like if they removed "minus world" because they wanted to remove glitches and give it better graphics? idk about you, but that isn't super mario bros to me.

It's all about money, remakes are a sure thing because if the original sold well, the remake is bound to. There's room for both in the gaming world. Some of the classics need remaking because, even though the games were great, time moves on, and the visuals and controls get stale and archaic. Seriously, how long will it be before Nintendo remakes OOT? widely regarded as the best game of all time? having played it last week through to the end, it is suffering from slow responsive controls (compared to say, Twilight Princess) and slowly degrading graphics (I mean Link is just UGLY to watch now)

So are you guys saying that if OOT was remade with modern tech, and added content (say the two temples they never added to the original) no one here would buy it? yeah right :P

[QUOTE="Thiago26792"]I agree with you. Nintendo needs to focus their time in new games, rather than remakes of old ones. If those old games were so good why don't you want to play them as they originally were? Remakes can also ruin classics. It's better to play the classics as they were originally.DaLegendKilla92

Well put. 100% agree. Just play the original. just because you swing your arm to slash or point at something to shoot does not make the game better. I was disappointed with how easy RE4 Wii Edition had been on professional mode because of the controls. Its still a great game but it was MUCH harder on the Gamecube and PS2.

I like remakes, REmake make (duh) playable Resident evil 1 and Final Fantasy V and VI in the GBA are really good games even 15 years later after the original release

I pray to the gaming gods for an Eternal Darkness remake!!

I agree with your point that it's usually better for developers to spend time on new games rather than remakes. That's hardly debatable.

However, I don't see how gamer's wishes are hurting gaming. Are developers listening to the fans? In some cases, they should; in other cases, such as this one, they shouldn't. And they aren't. I can't think of one full-fledged remake of an old game on the Wii. There have been sequels and ports, but no remakes.

This will only be harmful to gaming if developers decide to fulfill these scattered fan service requests. But the only way I see this happening is through the WiiWare service, and I don't think that would be harmful at all. We already know of a Dr. Mario game, but you can hardly complain about that taking up serious development time, and it'll have online play. That's definitely not harmful to gaming.

JordanElek

I am here to continue the thread, just to go totally off point for a sec I had no idea this thread was only a week old. See I get so many good ideas for topics but I don't use them at once so I may wait a week or two before I use them. Well anyhow people saw the blog and now I'm here to continue the discussion lol

Ok, back to the topic now. While my title just said "gaming" the post said "overall gaming". I didn't have enough room for "overall" in the title. By overall gaming I mean the games themselves, public perception, and the industry as a whole.

Look at how many petitions there are (which by the way never work and only mean to annoy people, you'd think after all this time someone would learn and stop it)

Look at not only this forum but IGN's forums and see how many remake threads there are. Not only that but it's not even just confined to game sites. The tech forums I visit has them and even sports forums have them.

Resident Evil 4 was a remake but it was a very slight one. They didn't have to remake the entire game, just the PS2 content to make it meet the specs of the Gamecube's version. The controls are tacked on but they work great, it just happened that way.

Dr Mario for WiiWare seems more like a sequel then a remake. Just another entry in the series.

Back to the remake wishes. Devs wont ignore this forever. Now that the Wii allows new ways to play games someone is going to say "There's people everywhere saying we need to do a remake" and they'll throw one out and it'll sell incredibly well and then other devs will see this and that begins the collapse of only new and interesting gaming on the Wii.

I mean look at Dragon Quest Swords. There's a genre that just started because of the Wii. Now they could have just carried over an older game redone but then we'd lose out on the birth of a new genre.

Plus some of these are absurd. Someone likes Resident Evil 4 so they want all the Resident Evils done like that? What's the point of that? It just kills the franchise with lack of imagination and innovation. Zelda redone? That's like asking why not take the Super Mario Bros games on the NES and remake them in the style of Galaxy on the Wii?

You kill the soul of the game.

That's what all these requests want to do and sooner or later someone is going to listen and then we're all screwed.

I dont agree that RE4 controls were "tacked on" I think they dynamically added another shade to the game.

But I do agree, Ive even heard people rather wanting them to REmake all the RE games AGAIN even the ones that were already REmade over a completely original RE game. So they would be a re REmake.

I dont agree that RE4 controls were "tacked on" I think they dynamically added another shade to the game.

But I do agree, Ive even heard people rather wanting them to REmake all the RE games AGAIN even the ones that were already REmade over a completely original RE game. So they would be a re REmake.

Cyber-

By tacked on I mean that they weren't planned for the game and nothing in the game had a need for them to be a great game the first time around.

It just so happened that the control scheme ALSO worked with the Wiimote and chuck.

[QUOTE="Cyber-"]

I dont agree that RE4 controls were "tacked on" I think they dynamically added another shade to the game.

But I do agree, Ive even heard people rather wanting them to REmake all the RE games AGAIN even the ones that were already REmade over a completely original RE game. So they would be a re REmake.

Jaysonguy

By tacked on I mean that they weren't planned for the game and nothing in the game had a need for them to be a great game the first time around.

It just so happened that the control scheme ALSO worked with the Wiimote and chuck.

Ya but it was the best marriage Ive seen bewteen a port and Wiis control. headshots were seemless and accuracy and spped were at a pinnacle that wasnt there before evn the best of players.

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]Amazing points.Jaysonguy

Thanks, Jason. You didn't convince me, but at least you didn't ignore it. :P

So your intended thread title might've been, "Wii Plagued by Fan Service Requests, Remake Wishes Will Hurt Overall Gaming." Emphasis on will. That makes more sense than the present tense, since the Wii (or any current console, really) hasn't been barraged with remakes at this point. And I don't think it ever will be, at least not to the point of actually harming the overall library.

We can't really argue the future, so I'm not going to try. Well, maybe I'll try with Nintendo and use the past to back me up. Remember during the Gamecube years when fans were yelling about everything? We want this, we want that, blah blah blah. Nintendo listened to some things and not to others. For the most part, they listened where it counted (online, games going back to their roots), but they didn't listen to everything. People wanted photorealistic graphics, virtual reality, more "mature" stuff. Nintendo answered with the Wii, something that no one was asking for. And it worked out pretty well, I'd say.

So at least in Nintendo's case, I don't think they're going to listen to their fans unless they see that it's actually a wise decision.

Moving forward is a great idea that I wish most game companies followed. But it's not the fans wishes that are hurting gaming, it's the money spent on purchasing games that are nothing more than a brand new production line experience. This only encourages the publishers to push more and more quick release junk.

I don't think you can say that a fan's wishes dictate their purchases either. How many times has there been a lull in the well developed games market when something like Madden Football sneaks in and takes the money prize. Just because people bought the game doesn't mean that's what they wanted to buy. Sometimes it means that that game was their only option.

more then half the wiis catalog isnt remakes lol and yet people complain ,, its pathetic, this is another wasteful topic.. what remakes are we talkin about i ve only came across 2 and they are re 4 wii edition and driver paralel lines the rest are from this gen so give me an excuse for making this topic i will so rightfully disregard it ,

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="JordanElek"]Amazing points.JordanElek

Thanks, Jason. You didn't convince me, but at least you didn't ignore it. :P

So your intended thread title might've been, "Wii Plagued by Fan Service Requests, Remake Wishes Will Hurt Overall Gaming." Emphasis on will. That makes more sense than the present tense, since the Wii (or any current console, really) hasn't been barraged with remakes at this point. And I don't think it ever will be, at least not to the point of actually harming the overall library.

We can't really argue the future, so I'm not going to try. Well, maybe I'll try with Nintendo and use the past to back me up. Remember during the Gamecube years when fans were yelling about everything? We want this, we want that, blah blah blah. Nintendo listened to some things and not to others. For the most part, they listened where it counted (online, games going back to their roots), but they didn't listen to everything. People wanted photorealistic graphics, virtual reality, more "mature" stuff. Nintendo answered with the Wii, something that no one was asking for. And it worked out pretty well, I'd say.

So at least in Nintendo's case, I don't think they're going to listen to their fans unless they see that it's actually a wise decision.

it only makes since ,and this comes to no suprise

Can you imagine Mario Kart 64 with tilt steering, online, and better graphics?? That would be awesome. santiagochile

Yes. It's Mario Kart Wii. It has some classic tracks and plenty of new ones, with tilt steering, online, and better graphics. And it probably won't suffer from the cheating AI and glitch shortcuts (though those were awesome) from Mario Kart 64.

It's a perfect example of why new games are preferred over remakes. Why would we want all the same tracks and characters when we can get new tracks and characters in addition to some of the old ones?

I can see your point about Bionic Commando, though. Some of the 8- or even 16-bit games would be pretty cool remade, especially the franchises that have since gone under. But I would only want remakes like that in addition to the originals on the VC. Remakes could be on WiiWare. I'd be pretty pissed, for example, if a remake of the original Contra completely replaced the original, since the sound and graphics have nostalgic value.

more then half the wiis catalog isnt remakes lol and yet people complain ,, its pathetic, this is another wasteful topic.. what remakes are we talkin about i ve only came across 2 and they are re 4 wii edition and driver paralel lines the rest are from this gen so give me an excuse for making this topic i will so rightfully disregard it ,

mariokart64fan

I agree, Jasonguy does make a lot of wasteful topics. You are right, there are very few remakes, and those are just ports with some motion controls put in. The only thing that makes me mad are cheap ports. I never bought Zelda because it was a Gamecube port with very little done to it. I also can't believe that Bully, which only cost $40 on the PS2, will now cost $50 on the Wii. PoP was also way overpriced. If Nintendo can release remakes for a decent price, $30, than I would be happy. I see no evidence of this hurting gaming at all.