Wii Sports Bowling; is adding spin broken?

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#1 dirktu
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Hi guys,

I did a little search on the internet and some people seem to confirm what I'm thinking, however others are just saying they have 'total' spin control in Wii Sports Bowling. I'd like to have your opinions on the matter...

The hypothesis I have is that the amount of spin can be controlled by wrist motion, but the direction of the spin cannot. Could some of you guys perhaps try the following and see if it does work at your place...

1) Start a regular right-handed game of bowling with all the pins present.

2) Choose a straight line near the left gutter with the D pad (i.e. parallel to the gutter)

3) Try to spin the ball to the left, inside the gutter

No matter how hard I try, the ball will spin away from the gutter (i.e. to the right). The same thing happens when you line up to the right gutter and try to spin it right; it will then spin to the left. The dividing line seems to be the center line at which spin always seems to go to the left. At least this seems true for situations in which all pins are still standing.

I would really like to know if someone would actually have total control of the spin instead of the things I'm experiencing. So, please post if you have the same 'problem' or not. If not please provide some extra relevant info like skill level or things like that...

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#2 yeahyeahbigN
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Haven't played bowling in Wii Sports in awhile, too busy with Tiger and The Conduit, but to fix your problem; purchase Wii Sports Resort next month. I'm pretty sure with Wii MotionPlus, it will detect every rotations and directions with your hand.
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#3 link027
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You can do both
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#4 dirktu
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Haven't played bowling in Wii Sports in awhile, too busy with Tiger and The Conduit, but to fix your problem; purchase Wii Sports Resort next month. I'm pretty sure with Wii MotionPlus, it will detect every rotations and directions with your hand. yeahyeahbigN

Yeah, I guess so. Still interested in people telling it still works though (like the poster above me). Is it really that hard to add some info on what you did and how you accomplished that?

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#5 ZumaJones07
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I noticed this awhile back and I think the game corrects for stupidity(?) depending on where the pins are, how many are left (maybe), and what side you decide to release the ball from. For instance, why would you want to spin to the left on the left side when all it is going to do is go into the gutter? The game says, "hey he probably wants to spin the other way because what he just did does not make any sense if he wants to knock any pins down." Basically, the game is helping you stay away from the gutter. At least I think so
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#6 jukitup
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I can spin both ways pretty easily.. just tilting it the appropriate way should work fine.. :/, i dont know what other advice to give you. sometimes if you try to overspin it might go the opposite way. try already tilting it whichever way you want to spin as you bowl, because if you're tilting to the right after you release the ball it will spin that way and then you can't spin it back the other way...

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#7 dirktu
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I can spin both ways pretty easily.. just tilting it the appropriate way should work fine.. :/, i dont know what other advice to give you. sometimes if you try to overspin it might go the opposite way. try already tilting it whichever way you want to spin as you bowl, because if you're tilting to the right after you release the ball it will spin that way and then you can't spin it back the other way...

jukitup

Do you perhaps have the 'old' Wii sports version (without the jackets remarks) or do you have a specific skill level? Cause it really doesn't work like that for me... BTW thanks for your remarks ;)

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#8 jukitup
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i do have the old wii sports.. but i dont think any of the game mechanics changed.. ive played the newer version on other people's wiis and haven't noticed any difference. and i have a pro rating but i know that that doesn't affect anything. maybe there's a problem with your remote. have you tried a different remote? or try switching from right handed to left handed mode (or vice versa) and see if its still spinning the same way

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#9 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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You don't have to twist your wrist at all. All Wii Bowling reads is the angle of Wiimote at the release of the ball. Release straight it will go straight, release at a 45 Degree angle it will spin. Twisting your wrist does nothing. Just hold your wiimote at the angle you want to spin and throw.
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You don't have to twist your wrist at all. All Wii Bowling reads is the angle of Wiimote at the release of the ball. Release straight it will go straight, release at a 45 Degree angle it will spin. Twisting your wrist does nothing. Just hold your wiimote at the angle you want to spin and throw.Nuck81

yeah, i noticed that pretty much since launch. I hold the Wiimote at a 90 degree angle every single throw, and it does exactly the same thing. There's no need for an actual spin, unless you want to.

I can get the ball to spin either way as well though. Just angle the remote in the other direction.

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#11 dirktu
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i do have the old wii sports.. but i dont think any of the game mechanics changed.. ive played the newer version on other people's wiis and haven't noticed any difference. and i have a pro rating but i know that that doesn't affect anything. maybe there's a problem with your remote. have you tried a different remote? or try switching from right handed to left handed mode (or vice versa) and see if its still spinning the same way

jukitup

Yeah, I did try that. It's not the wii-mote. On top of that others seem to have the same 'problem' as well. Have you guys really tried to follow the described example and tried to spin it into the gutter?

Perhaps the new Wii sports tried to compensate for 'dumb' actions to make it even more casual (seems not likely though) or the Pro status negates that effect and gives you more control??

I'd still like some more opinions on the matter though, since every Western Wii comes with Wii Sports... I still feel the same way as ZumaJones (one of the above posters) though...

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#12 dirktu
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Ok, I've reached Pro-status and nothing changed. I also found the following link on the internet describing the same issue: http://subjunctive.net/klog/2006/11/wii_bowling_lies_to/ .

Looking at the comments on his blog and the post of ZumaJones in this thread AND looking in the Wii-Sports manual (which says nothing about Spin Direction) I think it is an obvious design choice. Why this choice was made.... I don't know. It could be compensating for 'casual' players, limited programming or limited functionality of the Wii-mote.

Either way, I do think it's a shame.... and I think it's really weird people keep saying they have total control.

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#13 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I just don't think you're doing it right. One of the tricks of the game is throwing the ball in another lane to get the audience to perform a specific animation. If what you described is true then thta wouldn't be possible. Even though I do it all the time. \
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#14 dirktu
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I just don't think you're doing it right. One of the tricks of the game is throwing the ball in another lane to get the audience to perform a specific animation. If what you described is true then thta wouldn't be possible. Even though I do it all the time. \Nuck81

Have you tried the 3 step thing I described in my original post?

[Edit] Cause actually I would love to be proven wrong... [/Edit]

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#15 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I'll try later, I'm right handed so I always set up on the right. Maybe you have your hands reversed in game and don't realize it?

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#16 raahsnavj
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I'll try looking at it again, but from what I recall you can only put left and right spin on it by changing the orientation of the base of the remote with the top. That is to say, want it to go right of left just slide the bottom of the remote left or right at the end. For the longest time I thought it actually had real bowling mechanics where rotation of the remote lengthwise mattered. And to be honest how can you correctly mirror front and back spin on the remote? A lot of that, in real bowling, is controlled by last second movement with ones fingers (thus one reason why fingerpulls are so effective on real bowling balls). anyhow, like I said I'll relook at the game again and see if what I'm saying is accurate... it has been over a year since I last touched the game.
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#17 jukitup
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dude, you're right! after reading that little article you posted i figured i would try it for myself... and yes, if you stand to the left and aim straight you can't spin left.. that is weird! i can't believe after years of playing the game i never noticed that, but then again i guess ive never tried to intentionally gutter in that way.

i also noticed if i dont move right or left at all, i can only spin left (as a right-handed player, and with a full set of pins). i can spin right if just the 10-pin is there or something, but only left with a full set. even if you stand to the right and aim to the left (say to the 7-pin), it spins right toward the pins even if you spin left. i guess there's a correction in direction if you're going to gutter. you still have full control if you're going toward the pins though... so i dont think it really affects gameplay (i haven't noticed in years so it obviously doesnt :)) -- but good find!

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#18 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I tried it exactly like you said and it didn't go in the gutter. Props to you. I did get a few strikes that way though.
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#19 ZumaJones07
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Glad to know I was right. :P I use this to my advantage all the time. If I need to hit some pins on the right, I don't try and do a weird right spin. Just move a bit to the lift and bowl like normal.

dude, you're right! after reading that little article you posted i figured i would try it for myself... and yes, if you stand to the left and aim straight you can't spin left.. that is weird! i can't believe after years of playing the game i never noticed that, but then again i guess ive never tried to intentionally gutter in that way.

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You just weren't dumb enough to WANT to spin it left on the left side before now. :P
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#20 pierst179
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I have never had many problems when adding spin to the ball.

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#21 ZumaJones07
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Either way, I do think it's a shame.... and I think it's really weird people keep saying they have total control.

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Well other than the game choosing left or right spins for you depeneding on which side you're on, you do have total control. You still have to determine the amount (tilt of wiimote) of spin, the speed of release, and the height at which you release the ball. It just keeps the people that know about the compensation from doing awkward twist motions with their dominate hand, while others suffer. :P And to this day I still have trouble keeping spin shots in bounds in tennis, they ALWAYS go out!! What's the point?
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#22 monty_4256
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it's true, try it out only the amount of spin is controlled, but it's not because the controller can't handle the left and right ness, it's just to make it more playable
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#23 dirktu
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Thanks guys for your reactions and trying it at your place. :)

[Edit] I'm curious whether or not Wii Sports Resort Bowling will update its control scheme to account for the things we talk(ed) about here. [/Edit]
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#24 jukitup
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I'm curious whether or not Wii Sports Resort Bowling will update its control scheme to account for the things we talk(ed) about here.dirktu
i wonder that too... i think they might update it because if people are using the new M+ and the ball is spinning the opposite way to the way you are, people might start freaking out! then again, you could say the same thing with wii sports... who knows. i guess we'll find out in a month!