Wii still has a huge hurdle
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I ask myself millions of times WHY WHY Nintendo somehow makes this atmosphere every generation to keep most of the blockbuster third party games off their console. Or they are somehow gimped on their console.
Why cant Nintendo see the advantage of the platinum quality of their first party games matched withthe big third party games.
Its not "Wii has a hurdle" its Nintendo has a hurdle.
NEs and SNES were the golden ages of gaming hands down because of this marriage bewteen first and third party games that has never been properly recreated.
I ask myself millions of times WHY WHY Nintendo somehow makes this atmosphere every generation to keep most of the blockbuster third party games off their console. Or they are somehow gimped on their console.
Why cant Nintendo see the advantage of the platinum quality of their first party games matched withthe big third party games.
Its not "Wii has a hurdle" its Nintendo has a hurdle.
NEs and SNES were the golden ages of gaming hands down because of this marriage bewteen first and third party games that has never been properly recreated.
Cyber-
People typically buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo properties.
The Wii is not a Jack-of-all-trades, as much as you'd like it to be. In a 3-way battle for consumer's money, they have to have an edge over the competition, and a bunch of 3rd-party support isn't the answer. Two other consoles already fight for that market, and if you look back at the Gamecube, their attempts to gain 3rd-party support backfired bigtime.
That said, we will get some good 3rd-party stuff in the future, but in order for them to be successful, they pretty much have to be exclusive titles, or a multiplatform title with a lot of Wii-exclusive content. Otherwise, they're just inferior versions (See: Rock Band).
So really, it's up to the 3rd-party companies to figure out ways to work around the Wii's shortcomings. Sure, you can blame Nintendo for making a system with inferior specs (though they did it to keep the price low, one of the key elements to the Wii's success), but at this point, the cards have already been dealt, and devs know what they're working with when they develop on the Wii. They just need to learnto work around the lack of a hard drive and outdated grapics (Exclusive content, extraordinary controls, etc.), because that's the only way that people will buy the Wii version if they own more than one console.
And developers are really smart and efficient people; they can come up with some brilliant things with very little to work with (Look at Nintendo's 1st-party stuff). 3rd-parties are just being lazy, for the most part. Either that, or they still think the Wii is a fad.
[QUOTE="Cyber-"]I ask myself millions of times WHY WHY Nintendo somehow makes this atmosphere every generation to keep most of the blockbuster third party games off their console. Or they are somehow gimped on their console.
Why cant Nintendo see the advantage of the platinum quality of their first party games matched withthe big third party games.
Its not "Wii has a hurdle" its Nintendo has a hurdle.
NEs and SNES were the golden ages of gaming hands down because of this marriage bewteen first and third party games that has never been properly recreated.
bob_newman
People typically buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo properties.
The Wii is not a Jack-of-all-trades, as much as you'd like it to be. In a 3-way battle for consumer's money, they have to have an edge over the competition, and a bunch of 3rd-party support isn't the answer. Two other consoles already fight for that market, and if you look back at the Gamecube, their attempts to gain 3rd-party support backfired bigtime.
That said, we will get some good 3rd-party stuff in the future, but in order for them to be successful, they pretty much have to be exclusive titles, or a multiplatform title with a lot of Wii-exclusive content. Otherwise, they're just inferior versions (See: Rock Band).
So really, it's up to the 3rd-party companies to figure out ways to work around the Wii's shortcomings. Sure, you can blame Nintendo for making a system with inferior specs (though they did it to keep the price low, one of the key elements to the Wii's success), but at this point, the cards have already been dealt, and devs know what they're working with when they develop on the Wii. They just need to learnto work around the lack of a hard drive and outdated grapics (Exclusive content, extraordinary controls, etc.), because that's the only way that people will buy the Wii version if they own more than one console.
And developers are really smart and efficient people; they can come up with some brilliant things with very little to work with (Look at Nintendo's 1st-party stuff). 3rd-parties are just being lazy, for the most part. Either that, or they still think the Wii is a fad.
Thats the problem. People used to buy nintendo systems for all the games. NES and SNES were so well rounded. I feel that in present day with most of the good content being brought to us by Nintendo we miss alot of different gaming perspectives because Nintendo has a specific style. Third party developers fill genre gaps and bring different tastes.
You can spin it however you want but its clear that:
A.) Big developers do not appreciate the Wii and it does not get proper attention
B.) Nintendo does not do enough to get that third party support whether that is buying more dev teams esp in the west or paying for exclusives. Also promoting other companies games because they know their fanbase rarely supports anything but Nintendo.
C.) Nintendo fans are not buying those scant few good third party games so the endless crap cycle relationship with other companies continues with Nintendo.
I am not saying Nintendo needs the third party suppport that is seen on other systems. Nintendo has the development teams to make ALOT more first party games with much higher quality than MS and Sony. But does not have the third party library to truly make them the standout winners. I know this is a competitive market but all Nintendo has to do is get a little more than what they already have and you will see a huge lead in game library. As it is Nintendo is not going through the necessary process so third party support will stagnate and I think you know that even if esp ight now its an awsome time to own the Wii. In 2-3 months SSBB, Bully, Okami, MKW, and Wii Fit all came out and Kid Icarus is basically confirmed by iGN.
[QUOTE="murat8"]yea it sux wii only users miss out on a lot of great 3rd party games like C0D4, and GTA4chris3116
The problem is I'm a Wii only user and COD4 and GTA4 are not in my wishlist. I'm sick of FPS and GTA is overrated.
well yea its true not everyone likes those kinds of game and the Wii is perfect for people of that taste
Yeah...their huge hurdle is to follow through with what they've claimed the Wii will do.
By that I mean Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Mario Kart Wii. Why do neither of those games use or promate in any way the Wii remote's capabilities? Instead, they suggest you use the "classic" controller or the "gamecube" controller.
I thought Nintendo was going to take gaming to the next level...heighten the gaming experience...make games more interactive and therefore more immersive. But instead...nothing. The Wii is a mild step up in graphics, but as for gameplay, nothing's changed.
Yes, yes, I'm well aware of games like Zelad and Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 and Trauma Center. But that's my point. They've shown they can implement the Wii remote if they want to and they can do it well if they want to...so why aren't they doing it more?
Anyone who thinks the third party support on the Wii is poor has one of two problems
A. They have no money so they don't know what's out there.
2. They live in some third world country that gets 3 games every half decade
Anyone who posts here that's in one of the three major regions has no reason at all to complain about the third party support. There's plenty of great third party titles to choose from.
Anyone who thinks the third party support on the Wii is poor has one of two problems
A. They have no money so they don't know what's out there.
2. They live in some third world country that gets 3 games every half decade
Anyone who posts here that's in one of the three major regions has no reason at all to complain about the third party support. There's plenty of great third party titles to choose from.
Jaysonguy
I'm not fooling myself, I bought the Wii for Nintendo games. No More Heroes has been on my wishlist since it was announced (I am a Suda51 fanboy) but I'll finally be picking it up next month. Other than that, there isn't too many 3rd party games that I am interested but I'm fairly open minded.
Anyone who thinks the third party support on the Wii is poor has one of two problems
A. They have no money so they don't know what's out there.
2. They live in some third world country that gets 3 games every half decade
Anyone who posts here that's in one of the three major regions has no reason at all to complain about the third party support. There's plenty of great third party titles to choose from.
Jaysonguy
I feel that using the "lack of third party support" card is bull. Personally, I find that the Wii has a very good selection of games to choose from in general. The only gripe I have with the Wii (personally) is the amount of games that actually utilize the Wii remote.
I said it before and I'll say it again...I bought a Wii for Nintendo products. I don't concern myself too much with third party support. But there are some good third party games on Wii and I'm sure more are forthcoming, good and bad (but unfortunately, mostly bad). After all, developers want to cash in on the Wii's success, and for every two studios that would rush out some crap just to sell something on the console, there's a Capcom that actually puts forth effort to make high quality work.
A lot of people blame Nintendo for the lack of third party support, but this only somewhat true. Nintendo could do more to encourage the development of good third party games, but it's up to the actual third parties to take the time to make the high quality games. Instead of simply saying "We'll take the PS2 version and just let the player wiggle the Wiimote to attack", they need to be studying the intricacies of the Wii Remote and figuring out how to better implement the motion controls into original IPs. There are more Wiis out there than anything else--if the right game is developed, a game developer could potentially make more money off Wii than they could PS3 and 360, if only they realize that having the most realistic, physics-based graphic engine isn't the most important element in a game and focus on the player immersion.
My two cents.
Anyone who thinks the third party support on the Wii is poor has one of two problems
A. They have no money so they don't know what's out there.
2. They live in some third world country that gets 3 games every half decade
Anyone who posts here that's in one of the three major regions has no reason at all to complain about the third party support. There's plenty of great third party titles to choose from.
Jaysonguy
I think AG pretty much summed up what it boils down to here:
it doesnt have a lack of third party support... it has plenty of third party support... what it doesnt have is those huge third party titles (assasins creed, cod4, gta4, mgs4, re5, kingdom hearts) those titles are use to getting the same treatment as nintendo's first party titles on the other systems. Its the same reason why two equally giant mega star bands dont go on tour together neither one would want to open for the other. These huge third party titles dont want to be in the shadow of nintendo's great first party games. ag1052
People see that the "other" consoles are getting all these sweet 3rd-party games, but the truth is that many devs skip making a Wii version because it would just look and feel inferior, and anyone with more than one console will pick the other versions.
This causes people to think that the Wii has poor 3rd-party support, and even though this is a skewed perception of reality, it's the one that sticks out the most.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Anyone who thinks the third party support on the Wii is poor has one of two problems
A. They have no money so they don't know what's out there.
2. They live in some third world country that gets 3 games every half decade
Anyone who posts here that's in one of the three major regions has no reason at all to complain about the third party support. There's plenty of great third party titles to choose from.
bob_newman
I think AG pretty much summed up what it boils down to here:
it doesnt have a lack of third party support... it has plenty of third party support... what it doesnt have is those huge third party titles (assasins creed, cod4, gta4, mgs4, re5, kingdom hearts) those titles are use to getting the same treatment as nintendo's first party titles on the other systems. Its the same reason why two equally giant mega star bands dont go on tour together neither one would want to open for the other. These huge third party titles dont want to be in the shadow of nintendo's great first party games. ag1052
People see that the "other" consoles are getting all these sweet 3rd-party games, but the truth is that many devs skip making a Wii version because it would just look and feel inferior, and anyone with more than one console will pick the other versions.
This causes people to think that the Wii has poor 3rd-party support, and even though this is a skewed perception of reality, it's the one that sticks out the most.
There is the potential that a Wii version of some of the "sweet 3rd-party games" would not sell as well because of being inferior graphically/patches/dlc, but I dont' think that's an excuse for poor support. I think that they could still make a Wii exclusive game instead of trying to make a Wii port. With the Wii having such a large install base there is no reason not to make a Wii exclusive game and not be able to make a profit. The problem is there are far too many companies trying to make a quick buck. There are some good 3rd party games out there, but as much fun as I've had playing RE4 and Okami, I want a new title not an updated game. I have had fun with some of the new 3rd-party titles too; I love No More Heroes flaws and all, but I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
meluvulongtime8
That all comes down to opinion though. For a person who is into what 3rd-parties have been putting out on the Wii, it's some of the best 3rd-party support Nintendo has seen since the SNES. There is no lack of 3rd-party support, it's just that the titles available might not be what you're looking for. If that's the case, then what games are you looking for? The only games left are the titles on the 360/PS3 that the Wii cannot handle (Assassin's Creed, The Orange Box, CoD4, etc.), so that again goes back to my first argument of "they would not sell".
[QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"]I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
bob_newman
That all comes down to opinion though. For a person who is into what 3rd-parties have been putting out on the Wii, it's some of the best 3rd-party support Nintendo has seen since the SNES. There is no lack of 3rd-party support, it's just that the titles available might not be what you're looking for. If that's the case, then what games are you looking for? The only games left are the titles on the 360/PS3 that the Wii cannot handle (Assassin's Creed, The Orange Box, CoD4, etc.), so that again goes back to my first argument of "they would not sell".
where's any quality rpg and fps titles? Don't tell me fps don't sell
[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"]I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
meluvulongtime8
That all comes down to opinion though. For a person who is into what 3rd-parties have been putting out on the Wii, it's some of the best 3rd-party support Nintendo has seen since the SNES. There is no lack of 3rd-party support, it's just that the titles available might not be what you're looking for. If that's the case, then what games are you looking for? The only games left are the titles on the 360/PS3 that the Wii cannot handle (Assassin's Creed, The Orange Box, CoD4, etc.), so that again goes back to my first argument of "they would not sell".
where's any quality rpg and fps titles? Don't tell me fps don't sell
The good ones? Oh, they're on the 360 and PS3.
FPS demand the best graphical content to stand out, and the Wii can't compete with the "other" consoles so devs don't bother to "waste" their time on it. I put "waste" in quotes because that's how they see it, regardless of the fact that people would still buy them.
As for RPGs, I'm not a fan so I don't really know enough about it to answer. I'd assume that there are some on the way, but there's already Fire Emblem and Paper Mario (if you call it an RPG. I don't, but some would argue). I think Square is working on some RPG games for the wii, are they not?
Again with the "they don't have the genre/game I'm looking for so they must not have anything"
I swear you people, it's like you walk into a supermarket filled with food and because they don't carry the kind of 18 grain bread you like you say they don't have anything to eat.
Two quick things:
1) To those of you complaining about the lack of games making use of the Wii remote's capabilities... are you blind? You must not have played any of the first 3 dozen games released for the Wii. There were A LOT of games earlier on that OVERused the Wii remote's motion sensing abilities... in ways that were just unnatural and actually bad for the gaming experience, so a lot of developers have grown to kind of fear exploration into that territory which is lame because it's resulting in us missing out on more awesomely perfect control schemes like the one used in Metroid Prime 3. I think we will get cycles of games for the Wii that move in and out of taking full advantage of the remote's abilities... and right now we're in a slump, look for a lot of cool new 3rd party games in the 2nd half of '08.
2) To those of you complaining about the lack of games from 3rd party developers. Do you think Resident Evil 4, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, Okami, Guitar Hero III, Pro Evolution Soccer '08, Trauma Center: New Blood, MLB Power Pros, Scarface, and Excite Truck were made by Nintendo?? All these games are from 3rd party developers, and all of them are either rated highly by IGN/Gamespot and/or specific favorites of mine that make me happy to be a Wii owner. Not to mention that as much as I hate EA, their new game coming out called Boom Blox looks ridiculously fun.
I'm sure there are more examples for both my points, but I think these suffice in getting it across... it is a good time to be a Nintendo fanboy and a Wii owner, and it's only gonna get better.
[QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"][QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"]I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
bob_newman
That all comes down to opinion though. For a person who is into what 3rd-parties have been putting out on the Wii, it's some of the best 3rd-party support Nintendo has seen since the SNES. There is no lack of 3rd-party support, it's just that the titles available might not be what you're looking for. If that's the case, then what games are you looking for? The only games left are the titles on the 360/PS3 that the Wii cannot handle (Assassin's Creed, The Orange Box, CoD4, etc.), so that again goes back to my first argument of "they would not sell".
where's any quality rpg and fps titles? Don't tell me fps don't sell
The good ones? Oh, they're on the 360 and PS3.
FPS demand the best graphical content to stand out, and the Wii can't compete with the "other" consoles so devs don't bother to "waste" their time on it. I put "waste" in quotes because that's how they see it, regardless of the fact that people would still buy them.
As for RPGs, I'm not a fan so I don't really know enough about it to answer. I'd assume that there are some on the way, but there's already Fire Emblem and Paper Mario (if you call it an RPG. I don't, but some would argue). I think Square is working on some RPG games for the wii, are they not?
[QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"][QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="meluvulongtime8"]I can't say I've seen too many quality 3rd party games.
bob_newman
That all comes down to opinion though. For a person who is into what 3rd-parties have been putting out on the Wii, it's some of the best 3rd-party support Nintendo has seen since the SNES. There is no lack of 3rd-party support, it's just that the titles available might not be what you're looking for. If that's the case, then what games are you looking for? The only games left are the titles on the 360/PS3 that the Wii cannot handle (Assassin's Creed, The Orange Box, CoD4, etc.), so that again goes back to my first argument of "they would not sell".
where's any quality rpg and fps titles? Don't tell me fps don't sell
The good ones? Oh, they're on the 360 and PS3.
FPS demand the best graphical content to stand out, and the Wii can't compete with the "other" consoles so devs don't bother to "waste" their time on it. I put "waste" in quotes because that's how they see it, regardless of the fact that people would still buy them.
As for RPGs, I'm not a fan so I don't really know enough about it to answer. I'd assume that there are some on the way, but there's already Fire Emblem and Paper Mario (if you call it an RPG. I don't, but some would argue). I think Square is working on some RPG games for the wii, are they not?
MP3 isn't a bad game, and it doesn't have top graphics, but the art work was done so well that it looked really good. Plus the game sold well. If a 3rd-party dev took the time to create a fps with as much care as put into MP3 it would sell just fine. Also, I highly doubt devs don't want to make money as evidenced by some of the shovelware out there.
As for Fire Emblem, it got decent reviews, but might as well have been made on the cube. It's made by a 1st party dev. Super Paper Mario is fun and also made by 1st party dev. So that still leaves no quality 3rd-party RPGs and FPS. I am looking forward to FF fables: Chocobo Dungeon and the Wiiware title My Life as a King. Hopefully they'll be solid titles.
Again with the "they don't have the genre/game I'm looking for so they must not have anything"
I swear you people, it's like you walk into a supermarket filled with food and because they don't carry the kind of 18 grain bread you like you say they don't have anything to eat.
Jaysonguy
I own a lot of games and I love all my game systems. My only point is that the Wii has areas to grow and expand it's already large audience and game selection.
Also, I highly doubt devs don't want to make money as evidenced by some of the shovelware out there.
meluvulongtime8
Oh, sorry for the confusion (I'm doing that a lot today...I need more sleep). What I mean was, if they can put out games using their 2nd or 3rd string dev teams, get away with it, and still make money, why would they spend extra money on something that risky?
You know and I know that these higher-budgeted games will sell well, and I think that the devs and publishers know it too, but if they can get away with inferior products, why not take advantage of it? This industry is all about money. If they know they can make just as much money off of a game that cost $100,000 to make as a game that cost $1,000,000, then which one do you think they'll go for?
It'll change though. As Wii owners start demanding more, the devs will have no choice but to respond accordingly. We're still very early into this gen, these things take time.
Again with the "they don't have the genre/game I'm looking for so they must not have anything"
I swear you people, it's like you walk into a supermarket filled with food and because they don't carry the kind of 18 grain bread you like you say they don't have anything to eat.
Jaysonguy
I dont know know if you have seen me on here, but I openly support and buy the few good third party games. Coupled with nintendo's titles my library for wii is vast. Still I stand by my belief that Wii does not have a suffiecient library of third party games.
"It'll change though. As Wii owners start demanding more, the devs will have no choice but to respond accordingly. We're still very early into this gen, these things take time."
I definitely agree and hope the shift of demanding more in the games happens.
3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
BrooklynHotBoy
its not understandable. The only thing that is slightly understandable is the fact that Nintendo fans have not bought those hyper obscure games like Zack and Wiki and MoH or the Godfather, but then again if publishers released those games in the same fashion on 360 it would have sold just as bad.
[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
Cyber-
its not understandable.
There's a difference between "understandable" and "acceptable". Just because he he can understand why they would do it, doesn't mean he accepts it. Can't you see why it's understandable?
Maybe because they can get away with it, so they do it?
Maybe because if they put a 3rd string dev team on the game, it will still sell enough to make a profit?
There are lots of reasons as to why it's understandable. You're just confusing the two words.
[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
bob_newman
its not understandable.
There's a difference between "understandable" and "acceptable". Just because he he can understand why they would do it, doesn't mean he accepts it. Can't you see why it's understandable?
Maybe because they can get away with it, so they do it?
Maybe because if they put a 3rd string dev team on the game, it will still sell enough to make a profit?
There are lots of reasons as to why it's understandable. You're just confusing the two words.
I guess I am saying its not reasonable. Theres a sleeping giant of untapped audience potential.
I'm excited that Fatal Frame is coming to the wii. Its always been on other systems beside Nintendo, now I get the experience to play it. If Fatal Frame could come to the wii, why not other frachises like Tekken, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, etc.? The wii is selling, and you would think that since the wii is selling that most of the third party would bring some of their franchises to Nintendo. Sure the 360 and the ps3 are more powerful and the games would look nicer, if the games were to come to Nintendo first or exclusively like Fatal Frame and Monster Hunter 3 wouldn't they still sell on the wii?
[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
Cyber-
its not understandable. The only thing that is slightly understandable is the fact that Nintendo fans have not bought those hyper obscure games like Zack and Wiki and MoH or the Godfather, but then again if publishers released those games in the same fashion on 360 it would have sold just as bad.
its understandable to me and you just bascially kind've detailed why. the 3rd party games on the wii that are critically acclaimed and loved by fans......have flopped. that right there is an incentive not to invest money on making games for the wii. it is a financial risk. and i'm sure if a game like no more heroes came out on the other consoles it would've done well because suda would've added more detail and better graphics etc.. and i wouldn't oof been surprised if it got a commercial as well.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Again with the "they don't have the genre/game I'm looking for so they must not have anything"
I swear you people, it's like you walk into a supermarket filled with food and because they don't carry the kind of 18 grain bread you like you say they don't have anything to eat.
Cyber-
I dont know know if you have seen me on here, but I openly support and buy the few good third party games. Coupled with nintendo's titles my library for wii is vast. Still I stand by my belief that Wii does not have a suffiecient library of third party games.
By who's standards though?
A system can't have everything in every genre all at once, it can however have a ton of titles that just about anyone can pick from and enjoy and that's what the Wii has.
It's got racing, fighting, FPS, sports, puzzle, action, sim, platforming etc all for the taking. Now is everyone going to like all the games that are there? Of course not but this is where the argument ends.
If there's quality games that a certain user doesn't want to play that doesn't mean there's not games.
[QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
BrooklynHotBoy
its not understandable. The only thing that is slightly understandable is the fact that Nintendo fans have not bought those hyper obscure games like Zack and Wiki and MoH or the Godfather, but then again if publishers released those games in the same fashion on 360 it would have sold just as bad.
the 3rd party games on the wii that are critically acclaimed and loved by fans......have flopped. that right there is an incentive not to invest money on making games for the wii.
You know that so far none of the top third party games on the Wii have failed to make money right?
No More Heroes is making money and even a game like MLB Power Pros is making money for the studio behind it.
Yeah...their huge hurdle is to follow through with what they've claimed the Wii will do.
By that I mean Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Mario Kart Wii. Why do neither of those games use or promate in any way the Wii remote's capabilities? Instead, they suggest you use the "classic" controller or the "gamecube" controller.
I thought Nintendo was going to take gaming to the next level...heighten the gaming experience...make games more interactive and therefore more immersive. But instead...nothing. The Wii is a mild step up in graphics, but as for gameplay, nothing's changed.
Yes, yes, I'm well aware of games like Zelad and Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 and Trauma Center. But that's my point. They've shown they can implement the Wii remote if they want to and they can do it well if they want to...so why aren't they doing it more?
chefstubbies
I actually agree. The biggest disappointment from Super Smash Bros Brawl is that it didn't actually use the Wii controls (or extremely sparingly). Oh well. This was my biggest complaint about the DS when I first bought it, and now there's an exponentially greater great touch-screen-based games.
[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"][QUOTE="Cyber-"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]3rd party devs just dont spend time on the wii. which sucks but is understandable.
I was one of the people who though that this new way of gaming would've gotten a lot of developers interested and i had a feeling a bunch of fps's were gonna come to the wii but boy was i wrong. 3rd party games on multiplatorm ps2 ports or games that really blow because developers seems to rush through it and forget about detail.
Jaysonguy
its not understandable. The only thing that is slightly understandable is the fact that Nintendo fans have not bought those hyper obscure games like Zack and Wiki and MoH or the Godfather, but then again if publishers released those games in the same fashion on 360 it would have sold just as bad.
the 3rd party games on the wii that are critically acclaimed and loved by fans......have flopped. that right there is an incentive not to invest money on making games for the wii.
You know that so far none of the top third party games on the Wii have failed to make money right?
No More Heroes is making money and even a game like MLB Power Pros is making money for the studio behind it.
no more heroes only did well overseas and overall sold relatively low for what it is. its making money but apparently not a lot. and i dont even know about mlb power pros sales so i cant touch on that. but do try and prove me wrong that 3rd parties arent making money on the wii seeing as ign already stated that many 3rd parties have told them that they dont want to take the risk with the wii as well as being turned down by publishers because of lackluster sales of 3rd party games. that information was given out when the conduit was first previewed on ign.
[QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]no more heroes only did well overseas and overall sold relatively low for what it is.
Jaysonguy
By overseas do you mean places not America?
by overseas i meant europe (should've specified that) and yes...not america.
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="BrooklynHotBoy"]no more heroes only did well overseas and overall sold relatively low for what it is.
BrooklynHotBoy
By overseas do you mean places not America?
by overseas i meant europe (should've specified that) and yes...not america.
Ok, just making sure before I said this part lol
No More Heroes is selling best in America (NA region) followed not even closely by the other two regions.
American Wii's have 180,000 copies of the game while the other two region only make up for 90,000 (5 in one and 4 in another)
Now I believe you're thinking of where it was said that they hoped to sell more copies in Europe HERE. Sadly that wasn't true and most of the copies are still on game shelves.
In a lot of ways it's understandable. No More Heroes, while a good game, isn't pushing any boundaries besides letting people know that glitchy, bug riddled games can be made for the Wii, that's not news to anyone. It's the story that is the seller and some people just aren't willing to put up with the entire package for that story.
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