Wii U - Bringing hard-core back to Nintendo..?

I don't know if your like me and have been a nintendo fan since the SNES but if you're older than 12 you understand.

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--Nintendo used to be the top of the chain when it came to gaming, and they didn't just do kidie games.

They covered hard-core to mid and even games anyone can play, but ever since the Cube they've been going on a different path.

I loved the system but I was definitely jealous of what the X-Box and PS2 offered with shooters, and I felt 9 when I played Wind Waker.

The Wii, as cliche as it sounds, is marketed as being a non-gamers system, something your grandpa and your nephew can both enjoy.

I really miss the N64 era of nintendo when even mario games were for hard-core players. -How did you defeat bowser in SMB64??

> you grabbed him by the tail and threw him into explosives... what happed to that?

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I really hope they bring that mind-set back with the Wii U. Just give me my games and give granda his Wii U sports and make us both happy.

For real nintendo needs to start making more mature games. All the mario games feel like theyr made for children 12 and under. I really hope the Wii U has more hardcore games for older poeple. Wii U needs better games, better graphics, and better online play.

I think it will be a better system then the Wii and deliver more games I enjoy. The Wii has its pros (and cons) and good games, but it definitely dropped the ball a bit.

As long as it gets more Third party support I will be happy.

Which they have already promised it would have.

Well here's a unique topic. Sepewrath

Well I can see how the wii can be seen that way but truly I think the wii has many great "hardcore" games. Although I wished they went back to just a normal controller..it obviously isn't that way :p I just hope the wii u's controllers arent too expensive. But with the Wii U it does seem probable that they will go back to hardcore.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Well here's a unique topic. killerneub

This gen, Nintendo published for the Wii:

• SMG
• SMG 2
• Metroid Prime 3
• Other M
• Twilight Princess
• Skyward sword
• Fire Emblem
• SSB
• NSMB
• Mario Kart
• Mario Party
• Punch out
• Animal crossing
• Battalion Wars
• Chibi robo
• Another Code R
• Disaster Day of crisis
• Xenoblade
• DKCR
• Excite truck
• Kirby's epic yarn
• Kirby return to dreamland
• Sin and Punishment
• Wario Ware
• Rythym Heaven
• Paper Mario
• Mario Strikers
• Pokemon Battle revolution

Compared to thier previous generations, I dont see how this could be considered leaving the hardcore.

For the N64, Nintendo published:

• Sin and Punishment
• SM64
• Paper Mario
• Yoshi's story
• Star wars SoE
• Star wars racer
• Wave race
• LoZ MM
• Kirby 64
• Killer Instict
• OoT
• MK 64
• Mario Party
• Mario party 2
• Mario Party 3
• Pilot Wings
• SSB
• Pokemon Stadium
• Diddy Kong racing
• DK64
• Banko Kazooie
• Animal Crossing
• Excite bike
• Star fox 64
• Golden eye
• F-Zero
• Banjo tooie
• Blast corps
• Mario Golf

The lists are pretty much equal in terms of sequels, quality, and quantity. And yes there were many more ON BOTH SIDES which could be considered "casual"

There was a Chibi-robo game released for the Wii and I missed it!?! o.O :~(

Um what? Hardcore never left.

Look at NSMB, in that game you watch bowser's flesh burn off.

But violence =/= hardcore.

If you're talking about difficulty, I still don't see it. SS is one of the more difficult zelda's in a long time. Mario galaxy is downright impossible at times.

If you're talking about the good old days of the NES and SNES with games like megaman, castlevania, and street fighter 2...those are not nintendo.

So what's this topic about again?

Oh yeah, and for all the people that say SMG was easy compared to SM64...

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Well here's a unique topic. killerneub

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Well here's a unique topic. killerneub

I can understand if you mean by more traditional games, but really the "Hardcore" label is just annoying. I recommend games on the Wii that were geared for traditional gamers and they flat out ignore it.

I don't know if your like me and have been a nintendo fan since the SNES but if you're older than 12 you understand.

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--Nintendo used to be the top of the chain when it came to gaming, and they didn't just do kidie games.

They covered hard-core to mid and even games anyone can play, but ever since the Cube they've been going on a different path.

I loved the system but I was definitely jealous of what the X-Box and PS2 offered with shooters, and I felt 9 when I played Wind Waker.

The Wii, as cliche as it sounds, is marketed as being a non-gamers system, something your grandpa and your nephew can both enjoy.

I really miss the N64 era of nintendo when even mario games were for hard-core players. -How did you defeat bowser in SMB64??

> you grabbed him by the tail and threw him into explosives... what happed to that?

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I really hope they bring that mind-set back with the Wii U. Just give me my games and give granda his Wii U sports and make us both happy.

killerneub

Nintendo has always and will always be a company built around children and casuals

They are a casual company that's entire mindset is to make easy, pick up and play games

In a presentation a few years back Nintendo showed that over 75% of it's userbase started played Nintendo games between the ages of 3 and 8 years old.

They've only recently showed that they've also expanded their market share of people aged 70+ to almost 5%

The only way that Nintendo has changed is that they're are more focused on getting the casual gamer because they need to build that up more because they have the child market firmly set.

If you're looking for a hardcore experience go elsewhere, Nintendo will always be for children and casuals because that's how they've lasted so long.

[QUOTE="killerneub"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Well here's a unique topic. D4W1L4H

This gen, Nintendo published for the Wii:

• SMG
• SMG 2
• Metroid Prime 3
• Other M
• Twilight Princess
• Skyward sword
• Fire Emblem
• SSB
• NSMB
• Mario Kart
• Mario Party
• Punch out
• Animal crossing
• Battalion Wars
• Chibi robo
• Another Code R
• Disaster Day of crisis
• Xenoblade
• DKCR
• Excite truck
• Kirby's epic yarn
• Kirby return to dreamland
• Sin and Punishment
• Wario Ware
• Rythym Heaven
• Paper Mario
• Mario Strikers
• Pokemon Battle revolution

Compared to thier previous generations, I dont see how this could be considered leaving the hardcore.

For the N64, Nintendo published:

• Sin and Punishment
• SM64
• Paper Mario
• Yoshi's story
• Star wars SoE
• Star wars racer
• Wave race
• LoZ MM
• Kirby 64
• Killer Instict
• OoT
• MK 64
• Mario Party
• Mario party 2
• Mario Party 3
• Pilot Wings
• SSB
• Pokemon Stadium
• Diddy Kong racing
• DK64
• Banko Kazooie
• Animal Crossing
• Excite bike
• Star fox 64
• Golden eye
• F-Zero
• Banjo tooie
• Blast corps
• Mario Golf

The lists are pretty much equal in terms of sequels, quality, and quantity. And yes there were many more ON BOTH SIDES which could be considered "casual"

This is exactly what I think everytime someone brings up this topic. How did Nintendo abandon the "hardcore" when they have had more games for the dedicated gamer this gen than usual. Yes, there have been a ton of shovelware, but that doesn't erase all of the core games that they have had.

Well, I think the people who have inherently some sort of prejudice against Nintendo won't be interested in their products no matter what they do.

What I think, however, is that the people who stopped being interested in Nintendo when they introduced the Wii due to it's "casual" nature and underpowered hardware might become interested in the Wii U if it gets some attractive exclusives as well as doesn't suffer from missing out many multi-plat games like the Wii did, has good-looking HD visuals, doesn't rely on motion controlls too much and has a better orginised Online.

All of these are realistically achievable goals with the Wii U.

I'd like to think to Nintendo never left the hardcore.meetroid8

I'd like to think terms like "hardcore" didn't exist to begin with. In fact, "hardcore" didn't really exist until this gen, when those who call themselves that found out that gaming can be a viable form of entertainment to those outside of their exclusive circle.

Topics like this are always so humorous because people seem to think that Nintendo suddenly became something that they weren't this gen. The truth is that if anything, Nintendo rediscovered itself with the Wii and DS. The NES was pushed as *gasp* a family-friendly system, and at a time where gaming had started to become so much of a singular experience, it had pretty much scared most people away. While the state of gaming wasn't quite as bad at the start of this gen, the goal of both the Wii and DS are very similar to that of the NES, which was to broaden the range of people that would be playing video games. So to TC's point, the Wii actually was targeted towards non-gamers, but that's not so unlike the situation Nintendo found themselves in to begin with when the NES was released.

All of Nintendo's most successful systems and brands (NES, the GameBoy lineup, original DS, and Wii) follow a very similar philosophy. Everything else that has tried to make the gaming experience more complex and audience-exclusive than it needs to be has seen itself at least a step behind the select group of systems I've mentioned for Nintendo. As much flak as the Wii has gotten this gen, it's not difficult to make the argument that it's really Nintendo at its best. Sales clearly prove that, and if you compare Nintendo's best and most influential games on the Wii to that of previous systems, they also make a very strong case. The fact that these things are ignored because lack of shooters or explosions shows just how [un]legit all of these "hardcore" remarks have truly become. It's not even much of a detriment in regards to Nintendo's quality; it's just a group of people feeling like they've somehow been cheated, despite Nintendo doing what it has always done.

If Nintendo's ultimate goal with the Wii U is to become more "hardcore" for the sake of putting an end to the noise it has received this gen, its history suggests that it will wind up doing much more harm than good to its bottom line. All of Nintendo's previous attempts to become more appealing to the "mature," "hardcore," "bro-core" group of games have failed miserably in the past, whether it be with Nintendo's efforts or someone else's. The truth is that trying to stray from the Wii's formula is likely to be another significant step backwards, much like what happened with Nintendo's post-NES systems before the Wii managed to turn things around again.

I'd like to think to Nintendo never left the hardcore. Games like Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Other M are still around right?meetroid8

Lol.

SMG? really???

That's one of the easiest Nintendo games ever.

:S

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]I'd like to think to Nintendo never left the hardcore. Games like Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Other M are still around right?GreekGameManiac

Lol.

SMG? really???

That's one of the easiest Nintendo games ever.

:S

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]I'd like to think to Nintendo never left the hardcore. Games like Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Other M are still around right?meetroid8

Lol.

SMG? really???

That's one of the easiest Nintendo games ever.

:S

The Wii U will do just fine. Look at how the 3DS is doing right now. The Wii U will have games for EVERYONE that plays video games.

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

hotdiddykong

The good news is that 3rd parties are helping to develop the Wii U.

It's not they've left the hardcore group, there are some great games made with us in mind. The problem is: some games that could have been great were dulled down by shallow gimmicky controls and such to try and appeal to people outside the hardcore group.

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

hotdiddykong

I remember 5 years ago when nintendo was getting third party back with the wii. Every publisher and developer wanted to do wii stuff. It didn't last though, and I'm not convinced better hardware will be enough to get third parties to actually put any real effort into wiiu development.

[QUOTE="hotdiddykong"]

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

goblaa

I remember 5 years ago when nintendo was getting third party back with the wii. Every publisher and developer wanted to do wii stuff. It didn't last though, and I'm not convinced better hardware will be enough to get third parties to actually put any real effort into wiiu development.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="hotdiddykong"]

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

Peanut04_basic

I remember 5 years ago when nintendo was getting third party back with the wii. Every publisher and developer wanted to do wii stuff. It didn't last though, and I'm not convinced better hardware will be enough to get third parties to actually put any real effort into wiiu development.

except that at best, you can only use two of them...ChikaraShref

Which I am totally ok with. The only time I game with other people is when I'm playing with my daughter or my wife, otherwise I play alone. If I am getting together with friends, the last think we are thinking about is sitting around playing video games. Besides you will be able to play with more than 2 people on the Wii U, some will just have to use the wiimote, nunchuk, or classic controller and I am totally ok with this too.

[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"] except that at best, you can only use two of them...Peanut04_basic

Which I am totally ok with. The only time I game with other people is when I'm playing with my daughter or my wife, otherwise I play alone. If I am getting together with friends, the last think we are thinking about is sitting around playing video games. Besides you will be able to play with more than 2 people on the Wii U, some will just have to use the wiimote, nunchuk, or classic controller and I am totally ok with this too.

What's your point? meetroid8

Well i can't imagine an easy game being called hardcore,sorry.

But the Wii U will propably have enough games like that.

Nintendo has always and will always be a company built around children and casuals

They are a casual company that's entire mindset is to make easy, pick up and play games

In a presentation a few years back Nintendo showed that over 75% of it's userbase started played Nintendo games between the ages of 3 and 8 years old.

They've only recently showed that they've also expanded their market share of people aged 70+ to almost 5%

The only way that Nintendo has changed is that they're are more focused on getting the casual gamer because they need to build that up more because they have the child market firmly set.

If you're looking for a hardcore experience go elsewhere, Nintendo will always be for children and casuals because that's how they've lasted so long.

Jaysonguy

lol..no...nintendo is for Everyone...that includes hardcores

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as for the TC... i think you mean Mature gamers...not hardcore...wii has many hardcore games...but few mature games..

[QUOTE="Peanut04_basic"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

I remember 5 years ago when nintendo was getting third party back with the wii. Every publisher and developer wanted to do wii stuff. It didn't last though, and I'm not convinced better hardware will be enough to get third parties to actually put any real effort into wiiu development.

ChikaraShref

Here's a list of Wii U games that are coming soon for the Wii U.

Link

That is the plan. The odds of it actually happening not so much. The Wii U will be a success but not it this area.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Nintendo has always and will always be a company built around children and casuals

They are a casual company that's entire mindset is to make easy, pick up and play games

In a presentation a few years back Nintendo showed that over 75% of it's userbase started played Nintendo games between the ages of 3 and 8 years old.

They've only recently showed that they've also expanded their market share of people aged 70+ to almost 5%

The only way that Nintendo has changed is that they're are more focused on getting the casual gamer because they need to build that up more because they have the child market firmly set.

If you're looking for a hardcore experience go elsewhere, Nintendo will always be for children and casuals because that's how they've lasted so long.

KBFloYd

lol..no...nintendo is for Everyone...that includes hardcores

No, you're wrong but I thank you for showing where most people go wrong when they think of Nintendo

Everyone can play a Nintendo game, since their entire company model is build on making products for children under the age of 9 or over the age of 60 (Nintnedo's actual stats of the people who use their products the most) their games and hardware are designed a very special way. Easy to play games that don't require a lot of memorization with helpful hints placed around the game world. Simple plot lines with easy gameplay.

Now mind you I said everyone can play Nintendo games, Nintendo games are designed to be entry level games so pretty much if you're entry level or above you can play them.

On the other hand Nintendo software and hardware is not for everyone. It's not designed for the veteran gamer or hardcore player. Sure, an advanced player can play those games and get some enjoyment out of them usually looking back to popular franchises they played as a child while revisiting them with their newest versions but by and large Nintendo doesn't have the software or hardware to keep someone who's well versed with gaming occupied for long. The simple stories and easy gameplay just isn't designed for those people in mind, they never have been and will never be.

Nintendo's only focus is children and casuals with a mindset that every person playing a game needs to start somewhere and they've dedicated their company brand to be the first step. They know they will lose players once they become more of a veteran gamer but there's always going to be new players and that's where Nintendo focuses it's efforts.

Nintendo is not for everyone yet everyone can play their games.

Nintendo has never focused on being hardcore or making games for everyone, they've always been squarely focused on children and casuals and being the entry point to playing games. That's why they've lasted this long.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="hotdiddykong"]

Nintendo NEVER left the hardcore, its their lack of 3rd Party Support thats the REAL problem, otherwise their 1st Party are still high quality games that make you want a Wii. The fact that Wii U is getting the 3rd Party back just makes this a definite improvement for Nintendo.

Nintendo's also getting on track with Online, which is good, but just as they should, they make sure it doesnt overshadow the single player experience, unless its like Mario Kart or something that was MADE for online.

Peanut04_basic

I remember 5 years ago when nintendo was getting third party back with the wii. Every publisher and developer wanted to do wii stuff. It didn't last though, and I'm not convinced better hardware will be enough to get third parties to actually put any real effort into wiiu development.

Which is my number one fear for the wiiu. The classic controller is used in like zero wii games, so it stabds to reason that the wiimote (not being standard) will be used in like zero wiiu games. The onl;y thiong the wiimote will be used for is 4 player party games.

And I certainly don't see third parties using the tablet as anything more than a map/inventory screen. What's the point of buying a wiiu if it's just like any other console? What made the wii special was that it had interesting games that couldn't work anywhere else.

^Of course, games should use the systems primary controller, not peripherals. And the third party didn't use the Wii remote either, so how would be the Wii U be any different in that regard? Nintendo will use it, a few third party games will make use of it, but ultimately, the situation wont be any different from the Wii in that regard. And the point of buying any hardware is the games, not because of how different it strives to be. It can be the most different thing in the world i.e Kinect and the games don't take advantage of it i.e Kinect lol, then all those differences mean nothing. Sepewrath

Yeah, but if you buy a kinect, you would expect to be playing different games. Third parties just porting their games over to the wiiu is like playing a kinect game and being told you need a controller to play.